Re: [AFMUG] OT Anti-immigration - Puck 1893

2016-03-13 Thread Chuck McCown

Re: [AFMUG] OT Anti-immigration - Puck 1893

2016-03-13 Thread Lewis Bergman
Immigration should have been unfettered in 1893 because there was no welfare state in existence then. The combination of unrestricted immigration and a comprehensive welfare system has the potential to bankrupt the U.S. I have no idea if immigrants make up a larger part of the welfare system than a

Re: [AFMUG] OT Anti-immigration - Puck 1893

2016-03-13 Thread Jaime Solorza
Far less than many believe you need documentation which of course can be faked...but percentage wise more welfare in southern states. Most undocumented workers fend for themselves holding two or three shit jobs no one wants. See who is working on highways late at night or in hot sun in Texas

Re: [AFMUG] OT Anti-immigration - Puck 1893

2016-03-13 Thread Lewis Bergman
I agree with that. Kind of like the drug problem. As long as you don't penalize the user you get increasing demand. If you don't punish the employer you get increasing demand. On Sun, Mar 13, 2016, 2:56 PM Jaime Solorza wrote: > Far less than many believe you need documentation which of cour

Re: [AFMUG] OT Anti-immigration - Puck 1893

2016-03-13 Thread Jerry Head
" Kind of like the drug problem. As long as you don't penalize the user you get increasing demand." This has got to be one of the most ignorant comments I have ever seen on this list. Wow On 3/13/2016 6:35 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote: I agree with that. Kind of like the drug problem. As lon

Re: [AFMUG] OT Anti-immigration - Puck 1893

2016-03-13 Thread Josh Reynolds
agreed Legal or illegal, has nothing to do with drugs. If people want to do something they will. On Mar 13, 2016 7:28 PM, "Jerry Head" wrote: > " Kind of like the drug problem. As long as you don't penalize the user > you get increasing demand." > > This has got to be one of the most ignorant co

Re: [AFMUG] OT Anti-immigration - Puck 1893

2016-03-13 Thread Lewis Bergman
Really, you think we would have massive illegal immigration if we had no jobs being offered then? You also believe that if nobody demanded drugs there would be people killing each other to get it here? We can disagree on if punishing a drug user is either right it would make any difference on then

Re: [AFMUG] OT Anti-immigration - Puck 1893

2016-03-13 Thread Josh Reynolds
Some are here for jobs, some are here to escape massive corruption and drug cartels. These are jobs that most American's don't want to do - either the work is "too hard" or pay "too low" - which really the latter is true. I came from a farm community (Kentucky Tobacco) and have seen how hard they w

Re: [AFMUG] OT Anti-immigration - Puck 1893

2016-03-13 Thread Rory Conaway
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 7:09 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Anti-immigration - Puck 1893 Some are here for jobs, some are here to escape massive corruption and drug cartels. These are jobs that most American&#

Re: [AFMUG] OT Anti-immigration - Puck 1893

2016-03-13 Thread Josh Reynolds
Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds > *Sent:* Sunday, March 13, 2016 7:09 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Anti-immigration - Puck 1893 > > > > Some are here for jobs, some are here to escape massive c

Re: [AFMUG] OT Anti-immigration - Puck 1893

2016-03-13 Thread Ken Hohhof
article that they are developing robots to do slaughterhouse work, cutting up the carcasses. I don’t wish that job even on illegal immigrants. From: Josh Reynolds Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 9:35 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Anti-immigration - Puck 1893 That's a tough one

Re: [AFMUG] OT Anti-immigration - Puck 1893

2016-03-13 Thread Rory Conaway
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 8:56 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Anti-immigration - Puck 1893 You need to not use the term “welfare check” and be specific what type of government assistance you are talking about

Re: [AFMUG] OT Anti-immigration - Puck 1893

2016-03-13 Thread Ken Hohhof
You are aware there was a welfare reform act passed in 1996? From: Rory Conaway Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 11:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Anti-immigration - Puck 1893 I was specific Ken, “welfare”. If I meant to say Social Security, I would have said that but I was in a

Re: [AFMUG] OT Anti-immigration - Puck 1893

2016-03-13 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
y > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds > *Sent:* Sunday, March 13, 2016 7:09 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Anti-immigration - Puck 1893 > > > > Some are here for jobs, some are here to escape massive corrup

Re: [AFMUG] OT Anti-immigration - Puck 1893

2016-03-13 Thread Rory Conaway
You are aware that Obama gutted that legislation illegally? Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 9:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Anti-immigration - Puck 1893 You are aware there was a welfare reform act passed in 1996

Re: [AFMUG] OT Anti-immigration - Puck 1893

2016-03-13 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
t:* Sunday, March 13, 2016 9:47 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Anti-immigration - Puck 1893 > > > > You are aware there was a welfare reform act passed in 1996? > > > > *From:* Rory Conaway > > *Sent:* Sunday, March 13, 2016 11:13 PM

Re: [AFMUG] OT Anti-immigration - Puck 1893

2016-03-13 Thread Rory Conaway
Certainly not this administration. The Supreme Court has smacked him down several times. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 10:56 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Anti-immigration - Puck 1893 Legal, illegal

Re: [AFMUG] OT Anti-immigration - Puck 1893

2016-03-14 Thread Lewis Bergman
I think you are confusing the result of solving the immigration issue with solving it. I don't disagree with you. With our current welfare state, and maybe without it, illegal immigration helps keep our standard of living as high as it is for even the poor. My point was how to solve what many see a

Re: [AFMUG] OT Anti-immigration - Puck 1893

2016-03-14 Thread Lewis Bergman
overnment assistance and we can’t find farm workers. I’d like to make >> working on farms or other businesses being a requirement for a welfare >> check. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Re

Re: [AFMUG] OT Anti-immigration - Puck 1893

2016-03-14 Thread Jaime Solorza
stance and we can’t find farm workers. I’d like to make >>> working on farms or other businesses being a requirement for a welfare >>> check. >>> >>> >>> >>> Rory >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@af

Re: [AFMUG] OT Anti-immigration - Puck 1893

2016-03-14 Thread Lewis Bergman
Your response indicates part of the issue. We have such an extensive welfare state it is difficult to even name all of them. > But I believe most SNAP cards actually go to working parents with minimum > wage jobs, sometimes more than one job. > > I realize it is anecdotal but I rode with a tow tr

Re: [AFMUG] OT Anti-immigration - Puck 1893

2016-03-14 Thread Lewis Bergman
e labor issue with the farms. I’m having a >>>> hard time understanding how we can have tens of millions of people on >>>> government assistance and we can’t find farm workers. I’d like to make >>>> working on farms or other businesses being a requirement for a welfare >>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Anti-immigration - Puck 1893

2016-03-14 Thread Jaime Solorza
t;>>>> I got to thinking about the labor issue with the farms. I’m having a >>>>> hard time understanding how we can have tens of millions of people on >>>>> government assistance and we can’t find farm workers. I’d like to make >>>>> working o