Re: [AFMUG] interesting telrad video

2015-01-08 Thread Adam Moffett
Oh I could tell you a story or two about that. Carrier class basestations are not like UBNT Rockets, the assumption is they are being installed and operated by sophisticated users, and the software may not prevent you from exceeding regulatory specs.

Re: [AFMUG] interesting telrad video

2015-01-08 Thread Adam Moffett
My new employer has a whole bunch of the Telrad 1000 base stations. The built in iperf and the spectrum analyzer both don't exist yet in production firmware. They're in the current development version. The 7000 CPE does have iperf in the present tense though. IMO: The system is expensive

Re: [AFMUG] interesting telrad video

2015-01-08 Thread Adam Moffett
On the other hand... their ACS software almost assuredly will support the CSM320. Telrad has their own version of that same Gemtek model. It probably is a good migration path as long as you've got the cash. If you want to migrate to LTE you would still have to replace all the CPE

Re: [AFMUG] interesting telrad video

2015-01-08 Thread Adam Moffett
Oh one other thingI have no idea where the supposed +10db system gain comes from. They do have spatial diversity at the tower sidewhich theoretically gives them a little something extra in the uplink direction. They obviously still have the same 1W/mhz EIRP limit and the CPE

Re: [AFMUG] interesting telrad video

2015-01-08 Thread Adam Moffett
One thing that is extremely cool about Telrad CPE that Cambium should copy /immediately /is they have an ATA built into the 7000 CPE. They have a special PoE adapter with two RJ11 jacks on it. I'm not sure exactly how they do itbut I'm guessing they're putting the analog voice and the

Re: [AFMUG] interesting telrad video

2015-01-08 Thread Ken Hohhof
@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] interesting telrad video On the other hand... their ACS software almost assuredly will support the CSM320. Telrad has their own version of that same Gemtek model. It probably is a good migration path as long as you've got the cash. If you want to migrate to LTE you

Re: [AFMUG] interesting telrad video

2015-01-08 Thread That One Guy
On a scale of UNBT to fuck, where on cost would the 320 investment sit? Are we talking 10% more than 320, thats a manageable number for the koolaid, if we are talking 50% then it becomes an issue. We just finally got a scrapper to come take our retired Alvarion gear off our hands, I think the

Re: [AFMUG] interesting telrad video

2015-01-08 Thread Adam Moffett
You'll have to get a quote.I can't really share that. On a scale of UNBT to fuck, where on cost would the 320 investment sit? Are we talking 10% more than 320, thats a manageable number for the koolaid, if we are talking 50% then it becomes an issue. We just finally got a scrapper to

Re: [AFMUG] interesting telrad video

2015-01-08 Thread Chuck McCown
: Re: [AFMUG] interesting telrad video Painting ASICs as an old, failed approach and FPGAs as the future seems a little strange. From: That One Guy Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 9:37 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] interesting telrad video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzAkMGKT5_M I

Re: [AFMUG] interesting telrad video

2015-01-08 Thread Ken Hohhof
Painting ASICs as an old, failed approach and FPGAs as the future seems a little strange. From: That One Guy Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 9:37 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] interesting telrad video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzAkMGKT5_M I feel like there might be some

[AFMUG] interesting telrad video

2015-01-08 Thread That One Guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzAkMGKT5_M I feel like there might be some koolaid here somewhere -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a

Re: [AFMUG] interesting telrad video

2015-01-08 Thread Mike Hammett
, January 8, 2015 9:48:07 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] interesting telrad video FPGAs can be reprogrammed. And they, in theory, can do everything an ASIC can do. But ASICs are not able to be changed (at least they could not when I was working with them, that has been a few years ago). From

Re: [AFMUG] interesting telrad video

2015-01-08 Thread Mike Hammett
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/telrad - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 9:37:34 AM Subject: [AFMUG] interesting

Re: [AFMUG] interesting telrad video

2015-01-08 Thread Paul McCall
08, 2015 10:48 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] interesting telrad video FPGAs can be reprogrammed. And they, in theory, can do everything an ASIC can do. But ASICs are not able to be changed (at least they could not when I was working with them, that has been a few years ago). From

Re: [AFMUG] interesting telrad video

2015-01-08 Thread Chuck McCown
I have heard that as well. However until something is pretty mature, I would prefer designing with a FPGA. From: That One Guy Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 8:57 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] interesting telrad video I watched a video from an ASIC designer, I dont claim

Re: [AFMUG] interesting telrad video

2015-01-08 Thread Chuck McCown
Never too late to go back to school. From: That One Guy Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 8:57 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] interesting telrad video I watched a video from an ASIC designer, I dont claim to know much on the design end, but he said ASIC is not as cost prohibitive

Re: [AFMUG] interesting telrad video

2015-01-08 Thread Josh Reynolds
, there are different flavors of koolaid. From: Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 9:48 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] interesting telrad video FPGAs can be reprogrammed. And they, in theory, can do everything an ASIC can do. But ASICs are not able to be changed (at least

Re: [AFMUG] interesting telrad video

2015-01-08 Thread Ken Hohhof
will never take off until the radio manufacturers move away from SDR and FPGAs and to more cost effective ASICs. I guess as usual, there are different flavors of koolaid. From: Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 9:48 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] interesting telrad video

Re: [AFMUG] interesting telrad video

2015-01-08 Thread That One Guy
, January 08, 2015 8:43 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] interesting telrad video Painting ASICs as an old, failed approach and FPGAs as the future seems a little strange. *From:* That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com *Sent:* Thursday, January 08, 2015 9:37 AM *To:* af@afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] interesting telrad video

2015-01-08 Thread Ken Hohhof
turning this into a standalone business, they left and started Broadcom. From: That One Guy Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 9:57 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] interesting telrad video I watched a video from an ASIC designer, I dont claim to know much on the design end, but he said ASIC

Re: [AFMUG] interesting telrad video

2015-01-08 Thread Adam Moffett
Well I can't share real numbers anyway, but the base station is probably 2-3x what you spent on the CAP320. Base station with antennas and an ASN appliance is more like 4x compared to your 320. The management software is multiple thousands of dollars, I saw a glance of those numbers over

Re: [AFMUG] interesting telrad video

2015-01-08 Thread Josh Reynolds
That is a *fantastic* idea if the CPE is already 48V. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 01/08/2015 09:19 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: One thing that is extremely cool about Telrad CPE that Cambium should copy /immediately /is they have an ATA built

Re: [AFMUG] interesting telrad video

2015-01-08 Thread Adam Moffett
*From: *Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, January 8, 2015 12:26:31 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] interesting telrad video You'll have to get a quote.I can't really share that. On a scale of UNBT to fuck, where on cost would the 320

Re: [AFMUG] interesting telrad video

2015-01-08 Thread Chuck McCown
Yes, that was cool. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 11:19 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] interesting telrad video One thing that is extremely cool about Telrad CPE that Cambium should copy immediately is they have an ATA built into the 7000 CPE. They have

Re: [AFMUG] interesting telrad video

2015-01-08 Thread Mike Hammett
, 2015 12:26:31 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] interesting telrad video You'll have to get a quote.I can't really share that. On a scale of UNBT to fuck, where on cost would the 320 investment sit? Are we talking 10% more than 320, thats a manageable number for the koolaid, if we

Re: [AFMUG] interesting telrad video

2015-01-08 Thread Mike Hammett
To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 12:20:46 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] interesting telrad video I have one Purewave basestation, with all Greenpacket CPE. The same migration would probably work for me. Unfortunately in my rural area, I don’t fit the business model for the Telrad