Re: DIS: Re: BUS: in the spirit of the recent Democratic electoral victory

2008-11-06 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 13:09 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Thu, 6 Nov 2008, Taral wrote: On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 12:45 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Winning is too easy right now. It's boring (again IMO). Temporary setback. Patience is advised. This game has been running for a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: in the spirit of the recent Democratic electoral victory

2008-11-06 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 13:22 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Thu, 6 Nov 2008, Alex Smith wrote: I suggest you cut down the max point limits on contests, probably the easiest way. The problem is that until a while back, nobody had won by points for ages, and all the contests doubled

Re: DIS: Proto: Complex scoring

2008-11-06 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 16:08 -0700, Roger Hicks wrote: On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 15:51, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Proto-Proposal: Complex scoring (AI = 2, please) A little help for those of us who haven't looked at imaginary numbers since high school. I recall that sqrt(-1) = i, but

Re: DIS: Proto: Complex scoring

2008-11-06 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 23:10 +, Alex Smith wrote: sqrt(ab) = sqrt(a*b) This should say sqrt(a*b) = sqrt(a)*sqrt(b). -- ais523

Re: DIS: Proto: Complex scoring

2008-11-06 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 16:20 -0700, Roger Hicks wrote: 2008/11/6 Alex Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 23:10 +, Alex Smith wrote: sqrt(ab) = sqrt(a*b) This should say sqrt(a*b) = sqrt(a)*sqrt(b). -- Got it. So then, what is the absolute value of a complex number

Re: DIS: Straw Poll

2008-11-07 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2008-11-07 at 06:55 -0500, Joshua Boehme wrote: Before I started working on some protos, I wanted to get a feel for people's opinions. There's not much point in taking the trouble to rewrite sections of the rules if people are still enjoying them. Thus, I am wondering: what aspects of

Re: DIS: [Fwd: RE: Proposal: Expanded foreign relations]

2008-11-07 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2008-11-07 at 11:26 -0500, Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 10:26 AM, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we should just ignore these losers. We're the ones who approached them diplomatically in the first place. The Ambassador had nothing to do with the approach.

DIS: Proto: Balance of Power

2008-11-07 Thread Alex Smith
There seem to be several rules which are broken or scam-vulnerable compared to their importance, due to having insufficient power; there are also several rules that don't need the amount of power they have, and could safely be depowered. (I'm not including rule 104 in this list, because although

DIS: Re: OFF: rulekeepor's notes on proposals 5823-5832

2008-11-07 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2008-11-07 at 14:03 -0500, comex wrote: Proposal 5831 (Democratic, AI=2.0, Interest=1) by Murphy Amend Rule 107 (Initiating Agoran Decisions) by replacing this text: Amendment fails due to insufficient power. Amend Rule 955 (Determining the Will of Agora) by appending this text:

Re: DIS: Re: Proto: Luck

2008-11-07 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2008-11-07 at 12:34 -0700, Roger Hicks wrote: On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 00:51, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luck I didn't see any comments on this. Like? Dislike? I'm not sure that random promotions/demotions (with notes to affect the chances) would add all that much; it certainly

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposal 5948

2008-11-10 Thread Alex Smith
On Sun, 2008-11-09 at 18:29 -0600, Pavitra wrote: I have a proposal in PerlNomic right now to limit it to once per week (as Promotor reports used to be), but the only vote on it so far (except mine) is AGAINST. The problem with limiting it to at least 7 days between proposals is that almost

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2203 overruled to FALSE by Goethe, ais523, woggle

2008-11-10 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 22:44 -0700, Taral wrote: On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 10:20 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The AFO and I agree to the following: { ais523 CAN act on behalf of the vote collector for Proposal 5707 to resolve that decision. Murphy CAN terminate this contract by

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposal 5948

2008-11-10 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 11:05 -0800, Taral wrote: On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Alex Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2008-11-09 at 18:29 -0600, Pavitra wrote: I have a proposal in PerlNomic right now to limit it to once per week (as Promotor reports used to be), but the only vote

DIS: Re: OFF: [Ambassador] Foreign Relations

2008-11-10 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2008-11-05 at 06:05 -0800, The PerlNomic Partnership wrote: PerlNomic (unknown) It should tell itself... Normish (unknown) irc://irc.freenode.net:6667/#rootnomic seems to be the usual place. NooPolis(unknown) Unfortunately, I don't know this one. -- ais523

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: forgot something

2008-11-10 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 12:58 -0700, Roger Hicks wrote: On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 19:32, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Don't want to be bound by contests broken when equity dies Unfortunate but not interested]. I resign from each and every public contract of which (a) I am a

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Generalize complexity

2008-11-11 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 23:35 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote: Create a rule titled Interest Index of Judicial Cases with Power 1.5 and this text: Each judicial case has an interest index, which CAN be set by its initiator at the time of initiation, and CAN be changed by any player

DIS: Re: BUS: PBA, milling

2008-11-11 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 17:43 -0800, The PerlNomic Partnership wrote: The PNP withdraws one 5 crop from the PBA for ^8. The PNP withdraws one 5 crop from the PBA for ^9. Using a Addition Mill, the PNP mills 5 + 5 = X. The PNP deposits one X crop into the PBA to gain ^30. The PNP withdraws one 4

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: PBA, milling

2008-11-11 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 09:14 +, Alex Smith wrote: On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 17:43 -0800, The PerlNomic Partnership wrote: The PNP withdraws one 5 crop from the PBA for ^8. The PNP withdraws one 5 crop from the PBA for ^9. Using a Addition Mill, the PNP mills 5 + 5 = X. The PNP deposits one

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Generalize complexity

2008-11-11 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 08:09 -0700, Roger Hicks wrote: On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 07:18, Alex Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Presumably the idea is that high-rank cases would be more difficult, complicated and time-consuming to judge, whereas low-rank cases would be for typical CFJspam

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Generalize complexity

2008-11-11 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 07:15 -0700, Roger Hicks wrote: On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 00:35, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Create a rule titled Judicial Rank with Power 1.5 and this text: Judicial rank is a player switch, tracked by the Clerk of the Courts, with the same range and

DIS: Re: BUS: [Enigma] This week's moderately difficult puzzles

2008-11-12 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2008-11-12 at 06:56 -0500, Joshua Boehme wrote: Contestmaster ais523, what is the current membership of Enigma? the Left Hand, Murphy, root, Iammars, Wooble, Goethe, avpx, Zefram, Pavitra, ais523, comex, Elysion, ehird, Sgeo, Billy Pilgrim -- ais523 Notary

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Enigma] This week's moderately difficult puzzles

2008-11-12 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2008-11-12 at 09:34 -0800, Charles Reiss wrote: On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 07:36, Alex Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-11-12 at 06:56 -0500, Joshua Boehme wrote: Contestmaster ais523, what is the current membership of Enigma? the Left Hand, Murphy, root, Iammars, Wooble

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Initiation of Werewolves session #2

2008-11-12 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2008-11-12 at 12:56 -0500, comex wrote: Yesterday I was playing Monopoly with my brother and he loaned me some money. Later in the game he asked for it back. The Monopoly rules expressly forbid official loans, so by the rules of the game he actually gave me mone for free; but I gave

DIS: Protoproto: Fixing contracts

2008-11-17 Thread Alex Smith
(This was written in a hurry due to the recent scam, so probably is full of bugs and mistakes atm. I just want to see what people think of the idea. Also this doesn't include the amend/enact/repeal stuff, just gives a flavour. This attempts to keep the current semantics of contract law whilst

DIS: Re: BUS: Rejoining

2008-11-17 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2008-11-17 at 13:10 -0500, Schrodinger's Cat wrote: In accordance with Rule 869: I am registering as a player. I wish to be registered as a player. I request registration as a player. I request permission to be registered as a player. I'm back! ...and there's no Registrar at

DIS: Re: BUS: sigh

2008-11-18 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2008-11-18 at 16:20 -0500, comex wrote: Of course you might complain that I don't annotate the Ruleset with CFJs. Which is fair-- if someone has the spare time to, let them hold the office... R2166: CFJ 1911: This rule does not allow the creation of persons by announcement. R2215: CFJ

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [scam] rulekeepor's notes on proposals 5949-5964

2008-11-19 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2008-11-18 at 19:19 -0500, Joshua Boehme wrote: On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:41:11 -0500 comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I cause Rule 1367 to amend itself by adding the following historical annotation: { Note: comex CAN, and has been able to for the past several months, cause this

DIS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] CotC election

2008-11-20 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2008-11-20 at 10:27 -0500, Geoffrey Spear wrote: This message serves to resolve the Agoran Decision to choose the holder of the Clerk of the Courts office. The option selected by Agora is null. This is entirely incorrect. Surely it was a tie? -- ais523

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2276-78 assigned to Wooble

2008-11-20 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2008-11-20 at 13:48 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: It's R754 that says a term defined in the rules is tied to its definition, and that its definition takes precedence. So if R2126 causes something to take a value outside its defined range, it conflicts with R754. I hope, by your current

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2276-78 assigned to Wooble

2008-11-20 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2008-11-20 at 14:11 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Thu, 20 Nov 2008, Alex Smith wrote: There isn't a problem here: R1586 isn't triggered at all. It's to do with things such as Contracts, which are rules-defined and exist outside the rules somehow, and which can continue to exist when

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2276-78 assigned to Wooble

2008-11-20 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2008-11-20 at 14:11 -0800, Kerim Aydin almost wrote (with rule number typos corrected): I say that VL for a particular OD is a R754(2) Rules-defined term and that R2156 clearly defines VLOD. It doesn't say is set to or is initially but it is a Rules-based term definition VLOD *is*

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5972-5981

2008-11-20 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2008-11-20 at 23:05 +, Elliott Hird wrote: On 20 Nov 2008, at 23:02, Roger Hicks wrote: Vote Market allows tickets of any currency. Oh. I leave Coin Votes. Awesome, though! A coin market! P.S. rename Vote Market to just Market. :P I've used this: both in woggle's futures

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2276-78 assigned to Wooble

2008-11-21 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2008-11-20 at 15:41 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: And R754 says if it says it is, it is Very short digest of this disagreement for those watching: as far as I can tell, it doesn't. -- ais523

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2274 assigned to Warrigal

2008-11-21 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2008-11-21 at 07:29 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Fri, 21 Nov 2008, Alex Smith wrote: I support. If someone says something not in the rules with an intent to perform an action, normally it is reasonable to presume they meant the correct version not the incorrect version (per R754

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2274 assigned to Warrigal

2008-11-21 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2008-11-21 at 15:49 +, Alex Smith wrote: On Fri, 2008-11-21 at 07:29 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Fri, 21 Nov 2008, Alex Smith wrote: I support. If someone says something not in the rules with an intent to perform an action, normally it is reasonable to presume they meant

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2274 assigned to Warrigal

2008-11-21 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2008-11-21 at 09:07 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: I was mixing a response to two separate posts by comex, sorry that they were muddled, but they weren't lies. Some points/clarifications: 1. The Feb '08 change predates you and ehird, personally as players, if I read the registration

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2274 assigned to Warrigal

2008-11-21 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2008-11-21 at 10:33 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Fri, 21 Nov 2008, Alex Smith wrote: Scams are and have been rendered ineffective for the most trivial reasons (annotations, decrease by -1), yet anti-scams with glaring mistakes are considered effective? This is actually something

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Auction

2008-11-28 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2008-11-28 at 09:19 +1100, Michael Norrish wrote: Nonetheless, I don't actually have a problem with your example involving ais523. Perhaps this is because it's not much of a name. If you put Bill in for ais523, my sensibilities might be more offended. As a data point, ais523 refers to

Re: DIS: another uh-oh

2008-11-28 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2008-11-28 at 03:40 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: Uh, do the second and third paragraphs of R1607 actually sufficiently imply that the Promoter CAN in fact distribute a proposal? -G. Ugh, no they don't, as far as I can tell. A good thing that purported proposal results are self-ratifying;

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2273a assigned to Warrigal, BobTHJ, ais523

2008-11-28 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2008-11-28 at 07:06 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Fri, 28 Nov 2008, Alex Smith wrote: On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 22:39 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote: Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2273a Appeal 2273a I

Re: DIS: Criminal reform proto

2008-11-28 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2008-11-28 at 07:10 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Fri, 28 Nov 2008, Roger Hicks wrote: On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 07:05, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While a player owns at least 24 Rests, that player CAN be deregistered by any player by announcement. A person so

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2273a assigned to Warrigal, BobTHJ, ais523

2008-11-28 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2008-11-28 at 07:26 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: A very old tradition is that we used to give a strong weight to AFFIRM in the name of this is a game, and judges work hard, and we should fucking listen to them. I'm very, very, sorry that's dead. Actually, I agree. Appeals panels should

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2273a assigned to Warrigal, BobTHJ, ais523

2008-11-28 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2008-11-28 at 07:36 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Fri, 28 Nov 2008, Benjamin Schultz wrote: On Nov 28, 2008, at 10:12 AM, Alex Smith wrote: happens. (Counterargument: this is defending the law, the law allows an appeals court to pick one appropriate judgement over another

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2273a assigned to Warrigal, BobTHJ, ais523

2008-11-28 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2008-11-28 at 07:58 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Fri, 28 Nov 2008, comex wrote: So can we please examine this appeal on its merits? It has none. For gods sake you confessed to the crime and the judgement was trivial on facts. To say that your already tried scam is interesting in

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2273a assigned to Warrigal, BobTHJ, ais523

2008-11-28 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2008-11-28 at 07:20 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: How can you have the audacity to even suggest with a straight face that a REMAND of a guilty that was wholly uncontested is appropriate? Why should anyone bother to judge anymore knowing that they will have to fight tooth and nail for

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2273a assigned to Warrigal, BobTHJ, ais523

2008-12-01 Thread Alex Smith
On Sun, 2008-11-30 at 15:11 -0500, Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Alexander Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another interesting data point: I was playing Cheat with a single deck of cards with some friends. Someone called two fives, and put down two cards. So I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] pointless elections

2008-12-01 Thread Alex Smith
On Sun, 2008-11-30 at 15:59 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote: ehird wrote: On 30 Nov 2008, at 22:15, Charles Schaefer wrote: I might as well jump in head first. I also accept my nomination. You get to do with a many-week backlog, plain incorrect info, and inconsiderate messages. Woo!

Re: DIS: PRS

2008-12-01 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2008-12-01 at 16:08 -0500, comex wrote: On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Taral [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone remind me again why we have point award limits and fixed points if the PRS is around? Mainly because amending contest rules requires AI=2, but contestifying something

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Caste cycling

2008-12-02 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2008-12-01 at 20:18 -0500, comex wrote: I'd say that I've gotten more conservative... voting against new rules without a good purpose and for repealing them (for example, Win by Junta now encompasses the role of Win by Proposal, although I don't think the latter has ever been used

DIS: Re: BUS: Caste cycling

2008-12-02 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 12:37 -0500, Sgeo wrote: On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 11:13 AM, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Alex Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-12-01 at 18:41 -0500, Benjamin Schultz wrote: Demoted to Delta: Bayes (twice!) (2nd class

Re: DIS: Notary discussion

2008-12-02 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 12:30 -0500, comex wrote: We really need a Notary. I'm tired of having to search through old reports-- Agora's stint with a web-accessible Notary site was highly productive. I could take on the office but I'd rather not. Alternatively, I'm contemplating initiating a

DIS: Re: OFF: [Scorekeepor] Scorecard

2008-12-03 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 19:15 -0800, Taral wrote: Scorekeepor's Scoreboard Player Score - All other players have a score of 0. I contest the accuracy of this report (to prevent any self-ratifications). I'm pretty sure I have at least one point from Werewolves; I've spent

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2273a assigned to Warrigal, BobTHJ, ais523

2008-12-03 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2008-12-03 at 12:12 -0700, Roger Hicks wrote: Not sure if this changes anything at this point, but the above failed as ais523 didn't have any favors (e transferred them to the PBA on Nov 20). What, all of them? I thought I had a spare... Maybe not, though, it gets hard to track all the

DIS: Re: BUS: More contract cleanup

2008-12-04 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2008-12-03 at 18:44 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote: For each contract listed below, I intend (without objection, and assuming I am elected Notary) to terminate it. /dev/null I object to this termination (but not to the others). -- ais523

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] Ribbon Report

2008-12-04 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2008-12-04 at 07:22 -0500, Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 12:04 AM, Sgeo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wed 3 Dec 13:05:25 Pavitra awarded patent title Champion (U,V) You don't get V for Champion. You do get it for MwP though, so it works out. Is that a bug? I'm not

DIS: Re: BUS: Goethe, Zombie of The List

2008-12-04 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2008-12-04 at 12:05 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: A mole has mentioned to me that the knives have been sharpened before the carcass has even cooled, and no one has objected. Thanks, all! :P I object to any/all attempts to make me inactive. It wasn't meant to be an attack; I was trying to

DIS: Re: BUS: Reports

2008-12-04 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2008-12-03 at 16:26 -0700, Roger Hicks wrote: In lieu of publishing reports to the lists (they will be forthcoming, but I have some programming to do first) the records at http://nomic.bob-space.com/agoralog.aspx are up to date. CoE: I'm not convinced the Win by Points worked and

DIS: Re: BUS: AAA - Secretary of Agriculture Report

2008-12-04 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2008-12-04 at 15:03 -0700, Roger Hicks wrote: CROP WRV HOLDINGS Farmer 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 X WRV - AFO53 35 1 0 3 0 3 40 11 26 1 0 ais523 3

Re: DIS: A few things that need to be researched

2008-12-05 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2008-12-04 at 16:18 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote: * Does Fookiemyartug still exist? * Does the P2P Partnership still exist? * Was Levi removed from the AFO's parties? Not sure about the first two, but I'm pretty sure that Levi was removed from the AFO's parties by proposal (although I can't

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Data point

2008-12-05 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2008-12-05 at 11:03 -0500, comex wrote: On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Alex Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I call for judgement on the statement The Executor of the public message that purported to initiate the Agoran Decisions on whether to adopt proposals 5686-5687 cannot

DIS: Re: BUS: You may call me .

2008-12-05 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2008-12-05 at 21:53 +, Elliott Hird wrote: I change my name to the null string (i.e., without the quotes.) Isn't that illegal, due to the null string already being generally used to refer to a particular Patent Title? -- ais523

DIS: the Quantum Crisis (was: Re: [s-d] [s-b] ais523's Refresh Proposal)

2008-12-05 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2008-12-05 at 14:40 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote: There was also the Quantum Crisis (major economic revamp turning out to have failed due to a bug in a vote-affecting ability). I didn't know of that one. Care to relate its history? -- ais523

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 6010-6013

2008-12-08 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 10:36 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote: All the contracts recently cleaned up were either never added, or deleted in Wikidot's default sense (i.e. renamed by prepending deleted:). However, this was never a pledge; BobTHJ simply wrote on November 10: Oh, I confused it with the

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2301 assigned to OscarMeyr

2008-12-08 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 18:07 -0500, Benjamin Schultz wrote: Gratuitous Arguments by BobTHJ: I'm guilty. Again, I ask for the court's mercy as I was on vacation with limited internet. I am inclined to impose a nominal fine of 1 coin under the PBA. Any comments? Seems reasonable. It

DIS: Re: BUS: Diversification

2008-12-12 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2008-12-10 at 21:52 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote: I transfer a 0 ranch to the AFO. The AFO transfers a 7 ranch to me. As if the AFO didn't have enough zeroes already? -- ais523

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: PBA, milling

2008-12-12 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2008-12-10 at 16:23 -0700, Roger Hicks wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 16:09, The PerlNomic Partnership perlno...@nomictools.com wrote: The PNP withdraws one 4 crop from the PBA for ^8. The PNP withdraws one 4 crop from the PBA for ^9. Using a Addition Mill, the PNP mills 4 + 4 = 8.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Informs

2008-12-12 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2008-12-10 at 19:03 -0500, comex wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: I inform the PerlNomic Partnership of the following criminal cases against it, and invite it to rebut the argument for its guilt. (I don't think it's capable of sending

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Six proposals

2008-12-12 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 11:16 -0500, comex wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 2:55 AM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: a) X is/are Y b) Y is/are known as X Any biological organism that is generally capable ... is a person might fall under this. Probably doesn't,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Undo the scam already

2008-12-12 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 08:41 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote: ehird wrote: On 12 Dec 2008, at 06:54, Ed Murphy wrote: Proposal: Undo the scam already This wasn't actually the scam, you know; just the backup. It's the only part of the scam that worked, assuming that CFJ 2282 is affirmed

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Six proposals

2008-12-12 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 08:53 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote: ais523 wrote: This breaks a huge number of rules. [...] for which the question of veracity is defined as UNDECIDABLE in rule 2110 is one of the most obvious, but the word is is common enough that nounphrase is nounphrase is a very

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 6018-6026

2008-12-15 Thread Alex Smith
On Sat, 2008-12-13 at 18:07 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote: 6019 O 1 1.0 Murphy Undo the scam already FOR x 5 ehird/comex, how much would you bribe me to cast AGAINSTx8 on this one? (Assuming you can't somehow leverage your dictatorship to stop it passing in the first place...) -- ais523

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Six proposals

2008-12-15 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 12:14 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote: ais523 wrote: Also, it is a very bad idea to put SHOULDs into the rules which cause things other than players or people to carefully consider their actions. Interpretation is performed by people. (I remember when I submitted the

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ: Wins By Paradox Are . . .

2008-12-18 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 22:32 -0500, Warrigal wrote: I CFJ on the following statement: If a CFJ were called on X, it would be legal to judge FALSE on the CFJ, where X is defined as the following string, followed by a quotation mark, followed by the same string, followed by a quotation mark:

Re: DIS: braincorefckwars

2008-12-18 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 09:54 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: I've been toying with an idea for a combined brainfuck (er sorry BobTHJ)/ corewars match... by which I mean BF language and array but two programs fighting for the array space. I think if done right it would be a bit more like Robo Rally

Re: DIS: braincorefckwars

2008-12-18 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 10:11 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: Just goes to show great minds think alike while fools etc. Pondered an arrangement just like this but worried about exactly that degeneracy (and others). I thought I'd drop this fundamental corewars part: The data buffer for each of

Re: DIS: braincorefckwars

2008-12-20 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2008-12-18 at 18:37 -0500, Benjamin Schultz wrote: Does there exist a decent Perl to Brainfuck parser / compiler? (There probably does, as nobody in their right mind writes their code directly in Brainfuck.) Probably not. I'm working on a C to BF compiler based on gcc, and it's

DIS: Re: BUS: bf joust programs wanted

2008-12-20 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 00:37 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: 6. Code execution is simultaneous between competitors, but [ and ] comparisons for both competitors occur before + and - (only place order matters in a cycle). + and - are cumulative. Every symbol takes one cycle to execute. Not that

DIS: Re: BUS: bf joust programs wanted

2008-12-20 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 00:37 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: e. If 1000 cycles pass with no winner as above, you both lose. 1000 seems too low, given that you have to set a value down from 128; I'd suggest 1 or even 10. (Otherwise, a warrior could simply create lots of fake flags with its

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: bf joust programs wanted

2008-12-20 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 15:10 +, Elliott Hird wrote: seems very easy [129 +s, then a large, large amount of s] The 129 +s kill you, as you set your own flag to 0 after 128 of them. Then your lots of s send you off the end of the tape and you lose again. -- ais523

DIS: Re: OFF: [Scorekeepor] Scoreboard

2008-12-20 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 15:46 -0800, Taral wrote: Activity since last report -- Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:51 - PRS revokes 5 points from ais523 Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:51 - AAA revokes 3 points from ais523 Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:00 - Contest weekly point allowances reset Mon, 15 Dec

Re: DIS: Proto: Increase privatization

2008-12-20 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 23:25 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote: woggle wrote: Cleanliness is a public contract switch with values Unclean (default) and Clean. Changes to Cleanliness are secured. tracked by whom? The Janitor. * Murphy and the AFO agree to the following public

DIS: Re: BUS: [IADoP] weekly report NoVs

2008-12-22 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 09:46 -0800, Charles Schaefer wrote: 2008/12/22, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com: I publish the following Notices of Violation: {{ Charles violated R2143 by failing to publish the Notary's weekly report during the

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Cruft

2008-12-22 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 13:51 -0500, comex wrote: Proposal: Cruft (AI=2) { Amend Rule 1023 by removing item (b) and all text under it, and by renaming item (c) to item (b). } [Remove the paragraph definitions. While in theory they allow one to refer to the 'fifth paragraph' of a rule with

DIS: Re: BUS: I Intend Happy Holidays for All!

2008-12-24 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2008-12-23 at 19:14 -0500, Geoffrey Spear wrote: I preemptively object to all dependent actions attempted between now and Dec. 31, 2012. Note that ehird had a standing preemptive objection. If the other preemptive objections work, so did this one, and Goethe's scam failed all along.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A very small partial mousetrap?

2008-12-26 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2008-12-26 at 10:27 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Thu, 25 Dec 2008, Alex Smith wrote: Any person CAN agree to this contract. The agreement need not be done by announcement; any action, in any nomic, which has the effect of agreeing to this contract is sufficient to constitute

DIS: Re: BUS: Between 4 and 14 days earlier

2008-12-28 Thread Alex Smith
On Sun, 2008-12-28 at 11:53 -0500, comex wrote: [Summary: More y-points for me, to a total of 640, then a win announcement.] Just a quick explanation of why this works, but Goethe's attempt at the same scam earlier didn't. It's all in the timing. The Holidays rule says: {{{ If some Rule

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Between 4 and 14 days earlier [part 1]

2008-12-28 Thread Alex Smith
On Sun, 2008-12-28 at 11:56 -0500, Benjamin Schultz wrote: This contract has the same basis as W30 1 through W30 37. The W30 contracts all fail, if I understand the contract rules correctly. They aren't partnerships. -- ais523

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Ciao

2008-12-29 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2008-12-29 at 14:56 -0800, Charles Schaefer wrote: 2008/12/29, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com: I degregister. Just to make sure, you might want to spell it correctly. I don't know why you're leaving Agora too. This actually is a reminder of a recent scam at

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Ciao

2008-12-29 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2008-12-29 at 18:15 -0500, Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: It's ambiguous whether deregistration or degregistration was meant, so the last paragraph of Rule 2197 prevents it from having any effect (contract-related or

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2008-12-31 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2008-12-31 at 16:17 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote: ais523 wrote: On Mon, 2008-12-29 at 23:34 -0500, comex wrote: In protest of this, I submit the following token Proposal (AI=1.7), titled Moment of Silence: { Award each of {j, Murphy, ais523, 0x44, Billy Pilgrim} one Rest. } The

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 6036-6049

2009-01-06 Thread Alex Smith
On Sun, 2009-01-04 at 19:07 -0600, Pavitra wrote: 6040 D 1 3.0 ais523 Scam reset PRESENT. If the intent is to resolve ambiguity, why is it conditional on the efficacy of a scam? The intention is to refund points that the scam unfairly removed from people, not to resolve

DIS: Re: BUS: BF Intent

2009-01-06 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2009-01-05 at 08:04 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: I announce my intent w/o three objections to make Brainfuck Joust a contest[*]. [*]May have been done already during holiday. You need to specify the contestmaster too (although it's obvious in this case, probably best to specify it to

DIS: Re: BUS: Informs

2009-01-06 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 14:40 +, Elliott Hird wrote: On 6 Jan 2009, at 05:44, Ed Murphy wrote: ehird http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2326 i end the pre trial phaseihjreu90yug9 u4983u5jiosjddsf Oops, I almost fell asleep on my keyboard. I NoV ehird for

Re: DIS: R.I.P. B Nomic

2009-01-06 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 09:55 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Mon, 5 Jan 2009, Sgeo wrote: On January 6th, 2009, 2:52:53 AM, B Nomic has died. May it rest in peace. Obviously, the message sent from Agora had its desired effect. It was allegedly destroyed by a Terrible Scam, which may or may

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 6036-6049

2009-01-06 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 14:41 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote: ais523 wrote: 6038 O 1 1.7 comex Moment of Silence AGAINSTx8 (I believe only 5 of these are valid, but get slightly confused as to how the Holiday screws up voting power.) Your caste was 5 both before and after the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Speaker

2009-01-06 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 20:13 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Tue, 6 Jan 2009, Charles Schaefer wrote: Unless someone can point me to somewhere where the first game ends and, presumably, the second game starts, then I argue Michael Norrish should still be the Speaker. (this doesn't mean he has

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Prerogatives (was: Re: Speaker)

2009-01-08 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-01-07 at 20:13 -0500, Sgeo wrote: On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 9:45 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 21:22 -0500, comex wrote: On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Charles Schaefer chuckles11...@gmail.com wrote: Inquiry CFJ: {The current Speaker is Michael

DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6027 - 6032

2009-01-08 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-01-07 at 23:14 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote: Text of adopted proposals: }{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{ Proposal 6027 (Democratic, AI=2.0, Interest=1) by Elysion none Amend rule 2124 (Agoran Satisfaction) by appending the following sentence

DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Census

2009-01-08 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-01-07 at 23:08 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote: Mon 5 Jan 21:32:10 Warrigal becomes a senator Something's gone badly wrong here. How did Warrigal manage to last long enough to become a Senator without accidentally deregistering emself again? -- ais523

DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting Report

2009-01-08 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-01-07 at 23:18 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote: For castes, see the Grand Poobah's report. For inactive and non-first-class players, see the Registrar's report. For players in the chokey, see the CotC's report. This boilerplate probably needs changing. Chokey's now done in terms of Rests.

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