DIS: Cards proto

Comments in this proto are shown with quote marks; they won't be part of the final proposal, if we propose this one. Protoproposal (AI 2, II 3): Replace the text of rule 2126 with the following, and rename it "Cards": {{{ Cards are a class of assets, restricted to players, whose recordkeepor

Re: DIS: Cards proto

On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 11:22 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > Er, here's the alternate one - currently just finishing up the card > definitions. > ais523, how do you want to proceed, pick one or merge? Probably best to pick yours, as it's more mature, and then merge in a few features of mine. In p

Re: DIS: Cards proto

On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 19:35 +0100, C-walker wrote: > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > > Replace the text of rule 2126 with the following, and rename it "Cards": > > I suggest repealing 2126 and creating a new rule in its place. > Otherwise I li

Re: DIS: Cards proto

On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 13:12 -0600, Roger Hicks wrote: > Also, while I agree with ais523 that there should be a maximum hand > size (to keep from having to track hundreds of cards for inactive > players) I think that hand size should be set much higher than eir > proposal suggestedpaticularly if

Re: DIS: Firmer Card draft

I've edited out the bits of the proposal I think are unproblematic; here are comments on the other bits. On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 12:20 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > If a card class has a position, there is always exactly one such > instance of the class in existence, and it CANNOT be eith

DIS: Re: BUS: PNP may be dead

On Sat, 2009-06-27 at 14:06 -0400, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > I intend without objection to make the PerlNomic Partnership inactive; > the server seems to be gone. I object; does anyone have a recent tarball? The PNP contract allows for the situation in which the existing PerlNomic server dies. --

DIS: Re: BUS: [3SR-DM] (i)nventory

On Sun, 2009-06-21 at 02:37 -0600, Sean Hunt wrote: > On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 1:07 AM, Benjamin > Caplan wrote: > > For each of the following not-yet-labels, I intend with 2 party support > > to append it to the list of labels: > > - COPPRO WOOPS > > - DIVIDE BY ZERO > > - ZOMBIE LUNCH > >

DIS: Re: BUS: [3SR-DM] (i)nventory

On Sun, 2009-06-21 at 16:19 -0400, Warrigal wrote: > I favor this case and intend to deliver a good-of-the-game judgement. I object. -- ais523 Sorry, couldn't resist

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Quantum Not-Report

On Mon, 2009-06-22 at 14:18 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > We should bring back Boons: "a Boon for meritorious action of [N notes or > new currency] may be given to a player by a judge finding that the action > is deserving, with Agoran Consent". [This can be done by proposal now, this > makes it

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: PNP may be dead

On Sun, 2009-06-28 at 11:51 -0400, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 10:28 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: > >> I deregister the PNP. > > > > Fails; the PNP is a person. > > > > Err, nevermind, Ranier isn't a player. That's an interes

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2611 judged TRUE by Tanner Swett

On Sun, 2009-06-28 at 02:14 +0900, Paul VanKoughnett wrote: > > > > Judge Tanner Swett's Arguments: > > > > TRUE, because unless you believe a > > contract is a forum, you have no reason to attempt to flip its > > Publicity to Public; any attempt to do so is almost certainly an > > attempt to flip

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: PNP may be dead

On Sun, 2009-06-28 at 14:28 -0500, Benjamin Caplan wrote: > I think we just have to assume in the absence of evidence to the > contrary. Are there old CFJ decisions that would have to be overturned > if it turned out that Hillary Rodham Clinton was a player? I doubt it, those were judged SLIPPERY f

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2606 assigned to Taral

On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 00:08 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: > Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2606 > > == Equity Case 2606 == This omits my gratuitous arguments (that it would be more equitable to keep the total number of scrolls

DIS: Re: BUS: Contesting

On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 10:20 +0200, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: > As I have said, I don't know for sure when I will next suddenly > disappear for over a week, so I leave all contests except AAA and the > Cookie Jar. If you disappear for a couple of days, and I notice, I'll intend to make you inactive, t

DIS: Re: BUS: A rather flat Happy Birthday

On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 05:10 -0700, Taral wrote: > On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 5:08 AM, Alex Smith wrote: > > to satisfy the Winning Condition of Musicianship, and I win by > > Musicianship. > > Congrats. :) > > > Happy birthday Agora, by the way! > > Happy birthday Agora! >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: New Contests: CO Set

On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 17:00 +0200, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: > As I'm trying to sort out who gained notes for awarding points - who > was this constanza person, and what happened? Could someone who > actually understood this scam please explain? constanza was presumably a third-party who agreed to he

DIS: Re: BUS: Cha cha cha

On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 08:43 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: > I spend G# F# F to gain E. > I spend G# F# F to gain E. I'm not entirely sure the Note math works here. G# to F# is two semitones, F to E is one. Or have I misread what you were trying to do? -- ais523

Re: DIS: Ex-conductor's overdue report

On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 19:18 +0200, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: > If Conductor is still vacant when Murphy's and BobTHJ's win attempts > have settled, I'll deputise to publish this report for real. And since > I have made it anyway, I'll post it for the new conductor to use > should e be installed soon.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contesting

On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 19:35 +0200, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: > I was thinking more along the lines of me not wanting to become > inactive due to bad stuff happening to, I dunno, maybe my crops or > notes or something. But it seems not, and I think that I will at least > have time to realize that I'm g

DIS: Re: BUS: birthday

On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 18:42 +0100, C-walker wrote: > On Mon, Jun 29, < Wooble wrote: > > Happy Birthday, Agora! > > I thought we went by UTC time? Anyway, Happy Birthday, Agora! We do for almost everything, the Birthday's an exception. Also, putting game actions in your sig? -- ais523

Re: DIS: Ex-conductor's overdue report

On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 19:27 +0200, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: > 2009/6/29 Alex Smith : > > On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 19:18 +0200, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: > >> If Conductor is still vacant when Murphy's and BobTHJ's win attempts > >> have settled, I'll deputise

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: birthday

On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 19:08 +0100, C-walker wrote: > Thanks for explaining that (to everyone that did). And are game action > in your sig considered bad form? Sorry if they are, that was a one > off. It's the sort of sneaky action that makes it look like you're trying to hide something; not necess

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2605 assigned to ehird

On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 20:12 +0100, Elliott Hird wrote: > 2009/6/21 Ed Murphy : > > Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2605 > > > > == CFJ 2605 == > > > >Bdi ta Askatasuna joined Warrigal's unnamed contract. > > > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I'm so Errational

On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 12:42 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Mon, 29 Jun 2009, C-walker wrote: > > I change my name to "2.71828183..." or "e" for short. > > I'll accept 2.71828..., but don't you think picking the third-person > singular pronoun 'e' might have some *slight* chance of being "a name >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I'm so Errational

On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 13:09 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Mon, 29 Jun 2009, Alex Smith wrote: > > On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 12:42 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > >> On Mon, 29 Jun 2009, C-walker wrote: > >>> I change my name to "2.71828183..." or "e" for

DIS: Re: BUS: Happy Birthday

On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 17:19 -0400, Warrigal wrote: > 2009/6/29 Sean Hunt : > > I award myself a Magenta Ribbon. > > > > I CFJ {I have a Magenta Ribbon.} > > > > Happy birthday, Agora! > > > > I award myself a Magenta Ribbon. > > Seconded, except for the CFJ. > You probably want to make that a bit

Re: DIS: Proto: Charity

On Tue, 2009-06-30 at 00:08 +0200, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: > I'm happy for any thoughts on names, by the way. English is not my > first language and I'm not into charity or any kind of business or > organisation, so I just picked names that sounded good. I do like the idea of charity; but, I think

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJs (attn Tanner Swett, ais523, Wooble)

On Wed, 2009-07-01 at 12:53 -0400, comex wrote: > I rotate the bench. I believe you just violated the public contract (2008-11-22-ehird) by rotating the bench without intending to mislead others as to the pointless conceptual games indulged in by mistake; but I'm not a party to that contract, and

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJs (attn Tanner Swett, ais523, Wooble)

On Thu, 2009-07-02 at 10:32 -0400, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Elliott > Hird wrote: > > Bahahahaha! I initiate an equity case regarding that pledge, whose > > parties are me, Warrigal and comex; > > I disfavor this case. I don't actually think it's a pledge, but I'm n

DIS: (no subject)

This is another test. I'm starting to worry that Yahoo! can't send truly plain-text messages at all... -- ais523

DIS: Re: BUS: Intent to ditch the Points Party

--- On Wed, 23/9/09, Elliott Hird wrote: > You're a damn immoral liar, claiming that your mousetrap > would only be > used for that proposal to me. > > Shame. I didn't; I also claimed that I would try to punish players who attempted to object by stealing/destroying assets, which is what I'm doin

DIS: Re: BUS: Status

--- On Sun, 4/10/09, Sean Hunt wrote: > Geoffrey Spear wrote: > > I initiate a criminal case regarding the NoV against > > coppro. > Arguments: As a member of ə, it is my responsibility to > ensure that it does not violate the rules. This is not a > specific obligation, but an ongoing one. My fail

Re: DIS: Proto: Deal refactor (notes at bottom)

--- On Sun, 11/10/09, Sean Hunt wrote: > From: Sean Hunt > Subject: Re: DIS: Proto: Deal refactor (notes at bottom) > To: agora-discussion@agoranomic.org > Date: Sunday, 11 October, 2009, 12:19 AM > Sean Hunt wrote: > > Proposal: Dealing Refactor (AI=?, II=3) > I will be making this distributable

DIS: Intentionally ttdf

I call for judgement on the statement "It is possible to submit a Call for Judgement by sending a message to a Discussion Forum.", submitting it to the Justiciar. Arguments: The Justiciar probably reads the discussion fora, at least occasionally, so is likely to receive the message. Although the r

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2696 assigned to coppro

--- On Tue, 20/10/09, Charles Walker wrote: > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 12:53 PM, > Alex Smith > > wrote: > > I intend, with 2 support, to appeal this. Without > being able to see coppro's reasoning, I have no idea whether > eir judgement is correct or not, and there

Re: DIS: Proto: The Citrine Repeals

--- On Sun, 25/10/09, comex wrote: > I suppose.  One point is that it would be nice to > limit mousetraps to > "impose unfair obligations", not "I can act on behalf of > you to steal > all your assets and deregister".  Your home is your > castle and > whatnot-- in this case, your person. This is

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Free Parking

--- On Thu, 29/10/09, Roger Hicks wrote: > From: Roger Hicks > Subject: BUS: Proposal: Free Parking > To: agora-busin...@agoranomic.org > Date: Thursday, 29 October, 2009, 7:31 PM > I submit the following: > > Free Parking > AI: 2 > II: 1 > { > In R2262, add the following to the list of cards in

DIS: Re: OFF: [Dealor] Monthly audits

--- On Tue, 1/12/09, Sean Hunt wrote: > As required by R2259, I destroy the following cards in the > IBA's possession (selected by random.org; d...@nomic.net is > infeasible for this): It's not that infeasible. Assign a number to each card, then generate random numbers from 1 to the number of car

DIS: Re: BUS: WRV

> I harvest 2741 and 2742 for 4 WRV. > I IBA-deposit 4 WRV. I harvest 2471 and 2472 for 4 WRV. I IBA-withdraw 4 WRV. -- ais523

Re: DIS: proto-[Herald] Announcements & Monthly Report

On Sun, 2010-02-21 at 11:30 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Sun, 21 Feb 2010, comex wrote: > > FUGITIVES OF THE OLD LAW (Players who left Under a Cloud, > > unofficial list) > > I believe a proposal in Oct-Nov officially gave all these guys one Rest, > making th

DIS: Re: [Agora] Public Headaches

On Wed, 2010-03-31 at 02:18 -0600, Sean Hunt wrote: > I, coppro, intend this to be a public message under Agoran law. > > All Agoran players, please read http://paste.debian.net/66733/ > (hereafter referred to as The Paste). > > I CFJ { The Paste is a public message. } > I CFJ { The Paste would,

DIS: Re: BUS: Inquiry

On Mon, 2010-04-26 at 14:40 -0600, Sean Hunt wrote: > Arguments: > > This is a classical case of the Paradox of Self-Amendment. The rule says > that "If any change to the gamestate would cause ... any change in the > effect or attributes of this rule ... including its repeal ... it is > cancell

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6721-6723

--- On Sun, 9/5/10, Kerim Aydin wrote: > From: Kerim Aydin > Subject: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6721-6723 > To: "Agora Business" > Date: Sunday, 9 May, 2010, 4:29 > > On Sat, 8 May 2010, Ed Murphy wrote: > > 6723  1   2.0  comex  >     Purple > AGAINST.  I announce

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2793 assigned to G.

--- On Mon, 10/5/10, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Sun, 9 May 2010, Ed Murphy wrote: > > > >    The message quoted in evidence began a > coup. > > > >> In other news, I announce the ceremonial shilling > of the palace. > > Hrm, I totally don't know here.  I personally saw the > message when it > was fi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2796-98 assigned to coppro

--- On Tue, 11/5/10, Ed Murphy wrote: > coppro wrote: > > I sit up. > ITYM "I stand up". Last I checked, players couldn't stand by announcement; has that changed? (However, given that we're apparently in an emergency session, it's unlikely to make much of a difference given that the CFJ judging po

DIS: Emergency at BlogNomic

It seems that Darth Cliche (who is IIRC a former player of Agora), in protest at BlogNomic's slipping membership numbers, decided to gain a dictatorship via exploiting a rule designed to let em (as BlogNomic's RNG, its current name for the Emperor) make interesting gameplay; BlogNomic's ruleset is

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: [BF Joust] Intent to end currrent tournament

On Sun, 2009-02-01 at 12:52 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > Having given a week's notice I make the changes detailed below. -Goethe > > On Sun, 25 Jan 2009, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > As no submissions were received this week, and only one last week, I > > announce > > my intent [no objections or sup

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Hoisting one's own wormhole

--- On Thu, 19/8/10, Keba wrote: > From: Keba > Subject: DIS: Re: BUS: Hoisting one's own wormhole > To: agora-discussion@agoranomic.org > Date: Thursday, 19 August, 2010, 22:58 > Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: > > Uh, yeah, the shuttle is in a wormhole right now. It > has been warped > > and disappeared

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2833-34 assigned to Yally

--- On Fri, 20/8/10, Aaron Goldfein wrote: > I recuse myself as judge from CFJ 2833, because I just > don't really > know how to deal with it. Is it even possible to recuse yourself with a case immediately after judging? Whether it is or not, you probably specified the wrong number. -- ais523

DIS: Re: BUS: D-Proposal: Barrel of Monkeys

--- On Fri, 20/8/10, Aaron Goldfein wrote: > Proposal: Barrel of Monkeys (AI = 1, II = 2) Ugh, is Agora turning into BlogNomic? I don't really see anything all that interesting in the proposed mechanics; this would just be an exercise in grinding (as opposed to Space Alert, which merely makes

DIS: Re: BUS: Listlessness proposal

--- On Sun, 22/8/10, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Amend Rule 2284 (Fee-based actions) by appending the > following: >        - A player CAN move an indicated player an indicated number >          of positions P on the list in an indicated direction (up >          or down) for a charge equal to the sum of

Re: DIS: annotating the ruleset (for new players)

--- On Mon, 23/8/10, comex wrote: > http://agora.qoid.us/current_flr.html?annotate=1 > > Probably broken on IE and/or in general. Seems to work on the Firefox on this computer. This should probably be made the default, if and when it's fully tested. -- ais523

Re: DIS: and another

--- On Mon, 23/8/10, Sean Hunt wrote: > I hope things are working now I conclude on general principles that you're planning a timing scam, and am wondering what it is. -- ais523

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Not a cronjob

--- On Tue, 24/8/10, Warrigal wrote: > On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Warrigal > wrote: > Also, without objection, I intend to interpret "The Robot" as > referring unambiguously to the (currently hypothetical) entity known > as The Robot that may be added to the rules in the very near future.

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: PM protosal

--- On Tue, 24/8/10, Ed Murphy wrote: > I'm reminded of (Peekee?) submitting a "Protoposal" (instead of > "Proto-Proposal") and Kelly saying something like "whatever the > hell that is; presumably should be handled by the Protomotor". That's actually not a bad idea for an office. We probably nee

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposal 6796

--- On Tue, 24/8/10, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > Sean Hunt wrote: > > CoE: the submitter was The Robot. > > Nicknames are informal, and we can refer to you in any way that > unambiguously identifies you. (Which "The Robot" probably doesn't do.) In particular, on reports, honouring the wishes of a p

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Not a cronjob

--- On Tue, 24/8/10, omd wrote: > In this case, the entity with the name "The Robot" will be > coppro *at the time of the enaction of the rule*.  Also: > > A document referring to an entity by name refers to the > entity that had that name when the document first came to include > that reference,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of Proposal 6796

--- On Tue, 24/8/10, Ed Murphy wrote: > OIC. > > Proposal:  Mother says not to run on the concrete > (AI = 3, II = 1, co-author = omd, distributable via fee) > > Amend Rule 106 (Adopting Proposals) by replacing this > text: > >       If the Rules do not otherwise permit at least one current act

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Not a cronjob

--- On Wed, 25/8/10, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > I contest this NoV.  I initiate a criminal CFJ regarding this NoV and > submit it to the Justiciar. Who is the Justiciar, anyway? And is this the first time that power's been used, since its modern reintroduction, in a non-scam manner? -- ais523

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Not a cronjob

--- On Tue, 24/8/10, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Tue, 24 Aug 2010, omd wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Kerim Aydin > wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Sean Hunt wrote: > > >> I change my nickname to 'The Robot'. > > >> > > >> -coppro > > > > > > See CFJ 1520. > > > > In this

DIS: Re: BUS: [Enemy] Threat

--- On Wed, 25/8/10, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > I create a new Threat: > > Name: The Robot > map symbol: R > >       H = 5 >       d = 2 >       e = 1 >       a = 2 >       s = 1 >       p = 1 I intend, without 2 objections from members of City, to rename City to "The Robot". -- ais523

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Enemy] Threat

--- On Wed, 25/8/10, Warrigal wrote: > On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 6:08 PM, omd > > wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 5:52 PM, Alex Smith > > > wrote: > >> I intend, without 2 objections from members of > City, to rename City > >> to "The Robot&q

DIS: BUS: Protojudgements

It is of course illegal to judge CFJs during a Holiday (merry Christmas, everyone!; besides, doesn't that violate R101?), but I thought people might appreciate, you know, actually knowing the gamestate. I submit the following as judge's arguments on the relevant CFJs, although I don't assign any ju

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2980 judged FALSE by omd; Wooble, omd, G. request reconsideration; still assigned to omd

--- On Wed, 23/3/11, omd wrote: > But I don't support, because you should have submitted that argument > before the case was judged.  I omitted arguments because (a) Wooble > had already implied TRUE in eir corrected judgement of CFJ 2979, and > (b) no arguments whatsoever had been posted in favor

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3001 assigned to omd

On Thu, 2011-04-28 at 16:13 -0400, omd wrote: > (a) a list of such intents could easily be found by performing a > search for "intend" (all but two players use either Gmail or Yahoo, > which are searchable, and I trust that G. and Murphy have some method > to search their email); False assumption h

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 7028 - 7051

--- On Wed, 18/5/11, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Tue, 17 May 2011, omd wrote: > > On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 11:38 PM, omd wrote: > > > On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 11:17 PM, omd wrote: > > >> This amendment modifies two clauses; the unexpected one is this (sigh): > > >> > > >>      An eligible voter on a p

DIS: Actually, time for a test

ll arrive via both routes; should such a message really be acceptable for game actions? -- Alex Smith

DIS: Attn CotC

I just thought I'd send the CotC a reminder: you have less than a day left to assign CFJs 3187 and 3188. -- ais523

Re: DIS: So what is going on at the moment

On Thu, 2012-11-01 at 11:51 -0700, Klaus Herrmanns wrote: > Hi, > > So what is currently going on in Agora? After some time spent browsing > recent mail archives and CFJs I'm not quite sure whether the game is > in a post-scam reorientation phase (still trying to figure out whether > the scam succ

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: request to join

On Sun, 2012-11-04 at 23:48 -0500, Max Schutz wrote: > as a visually impaired individual i request clarification on "promises" and > "the tree" Rule 2337. It's online at , and if you can read (or listen to) emails, you should be able to read (or lis

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: request to join

On Sun, 2012-11-04 at 23:51 -0500 or so, Tanner Swett wrote (five times): > On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 11:35 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > > I submit 12 promises to the Tree: > > > > Text: {{{I transfer an ais523 trading card to the person who cashed this > > promise.}}} &g

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: request to join

On Mon, 2012-11-05 at 00:01 -0500, Max Schutz wrote: > alright providing i understand this correctly I cash the promise bearing in > mind that i do not have a copy of the ais523 card if this is incorrect > please let me know as i am a new player It's incorrect both because you sent it to the wrong

Re: DIS: Straw polls regarding the trading card contest

On Thu, 2012-11-15 at 06:45 -0800, Klaus Herrmanns wrote: > I vote d). > > I waited to see what the various CFJs would say. > > Plus I note with interrest that players seem to rely on the rules > defined mechanisms enforcing trades (or not, as these mechanisms have > their quirks and gaps) rath

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Sure, it looks important, but it doesn't actually /do/ anything

On Sun, 2013-01-27 at 20:58 -0500, Tanner Swett wrote: > I think I agree that rule 754 is useless, except that I think this > part of it is very significant: "A difference between two nonempty > spans of whitespace is inconsequential in all forms of communication > for all purposes." Maybe we shoul

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7337–7339

On Tue, 2013-01-29 at 00:45 +, Elliott Hird wrote: > I register. I become active. > > On 28 January 2013 17:53, Tanner Swett wrote: > > IDAI CHAMBER AUTHOR TITLE > > 7337 1.0 Ordinary Machiavelli Give those back > PRESENT > > 7338 3.0 Ordinary ais523 cleanup > AGAIN

DIS: Re: BUS: Return of Wes

On Tue, 2013-01-29 at 10:28 -0800, Wes Contreras wrote: > I hereby become a Player. Again. > > I also contest the accuracy of the Herald's report issued on Jan 22, > 2013, where a list of "Fugitives" is provided as the last section of > the report. These persons are not, in fact, Fugitives, as tha

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Return of Wes

On Tue, 2013-01-29 at 14:48 -0800, woggle wrote: > Re: "the online versions", comex's are out of date (AFAIK), but see > https://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/~charles/agora/ . Neat! We should update http://agoranomic.org with links to more current information, really. (It was futureproofed in the way it

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3295 assigned to G.

On Thu, 2013-02-14 at 14:33 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: > This applies all the way to the top promise, Contrariwise. Caller, do > you have an argument against this? Regardless of what is going on or > how the message is built up, via promises or text messages, the function > of your scam depends u

DIS: Re: BUS: contest: Keep On Voting

On Wed, 2013-02-27 at 13:12 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: > I intend to make the following document Contest w/o 3 objections: Hmm. If this is a statement about the lack of votes and an attempt to fix it, a simpler fix might be just making it easier to find the Promotor's posts. The way proposals are d

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: contest: Keep On Voting

On Wed, 2013-02-27 at 18:25 -0500, Tanner Swett wrote: > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > I think one thing that would really help would be timely Humiliating > > Public Reminders. > > I could issue those along with proposals each week; would anyone like me to? Yeah, that

DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement, CFJ 3297, and a fix proposal

On Sun, 2013-03-17 at 23:56 -0400, omd wrote: > On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > > The issue at issue in this case is what the relevant public document is, > > in the case of a proposal resolution. Based on the plain definitions in > > the rules, the

DIS: Re: BUS: Player cleanup

On Sun, 2013-03-31 at 00:59 -0400, Max Schutz wrote: > I object to making me inactive on the grounds that I have been busy with > work and dealing with some personal stuff This is exactly the sort of circumstance that being inactive is meant for. I rarely deregister, but I become inactive due to

Re: DIS: Second-Class Players

On Mon, 2013-04-01 at 12:52 -0700, Wes Contreras wrote: > Can anyone explain why Second-Class Players exist? Because they > significantly complicate the Rules without any apparent benefit. > > It occurred to us that perhaps we should ask before drafting Proposals > to remove them. Basically they'

DIS: Dreams about nomic…

It's quite rare for me to have dreams about nomic, but I did last night. Basically what happened in the dream was that we'd enacted a rule allowing players to temporarily ignore rules that they didn't like (the dream wasn't clear on the details, but I think it was some sort of heavy rate limit). In

DIS: Re: DIS: Re: DIS: Dreams about nomic…

--- On Sun, 7/4/13, Elliott Hird wrote: > I suggest we implement the form that was found in your dream: for > $currency, a player can suspend some part of a rule (for the whole > game or only as it relates to their actions?) for a while. > It sounds more interesting than a communal thing, and lord

DIS: Re: BUS: More potential escalations.

On Wed, 2013-04-10 at 01:49 -0400, Sean Hunt wrote: > Proposal: Decomposition (AI=2) > {{{ > Append "The basis of a Golem is that of its owner." to Rule > 2360. > }}} Given the number of recursive Golem loops we have at the moment, this doesn't seem like a particularly well-defined definitio

DIS: Re: BUS: More potential escalations.

On Wed, 2013-04-10 at 01:19 -0400, Sean Hunt wrote: > I cause Rule 2380 to cause Rule 2361 to become a Slave Golem. > > I CFJ { Rule 2361 is a Slave Golem. } > > If Rule 2361 is a Slave Golem, I cause Rule 2380 to transfer it from the > LFD to me. > > Arguments: > > The only reason I can think

DIS: Re: BUS: I don't understand how we missed this

On Wed, 2013-04-10 at 19:07 -0400, Sean Hunt wrote: > Proposal: Credit Where It's Due (AI=1.5) > {{{ > Award the Patent Title 'Scamster' to ais523. > }}} Hmm. Custom used to be that people only obtained the Scamster title by means of an actual scam. However, the only time I scammed myself a Patent

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7364–7395

On Thu, 2013-04-11 at 12:50 -0400, Jonathan Rouillard wrote: > FOR. Taunting the police sounds like fun, but I fail to see *why* one > would ever do that. I mentioned it in my votes, but because it's kind-of buried and hard to see, and to expand on it: you can promise to taunt the police under cer

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Notice: Elections initiated

On Fri, 2013-04-12 at 17:20 -0400, Sean Hunt wrote (nttpf): > I nominate ais523 for Promotor. I'm randomly going several days at a time without Internet access at the moment, and also kind-of busy in real life. So I don't think I have time to take an office at the moment. -- ais523

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3305 assigned to G.

On Sun, 2013-04-14 at 01:31 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Sun, 14 Apr 2013, Ed Murphy wrote: > > Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=3305 > > > > == CFJ 3305 == > > > > Rule 2361 has been informed of CFJ 3301. >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: one last thing

On Wed, 2013-04-17 at 16:53 -0400, Jonathan Rouillard wrote: > Gratuitous: > Yes, Rule 2380 could have changed itself, but that would have read > something like "I intend, with Agoran Consent, to cause Rule 2380 to > change the text of Rule 2380 to [...]." or "I intend, with Agoran > Consent, to ca

DIS: Re: BUS: it's only been like four months let's try this again

On Mon, 2013-04-22 at 17:36 -0400, omd wrote: > I intend, without objection, to change the Publicity of the fora > currently located at agora-busin...@agoranomic.org, > agora-offic...@agoranomic.org, and agora-discussion@agoranomic.org to > Foreign. I think I know why, but I'd strongly recommend e

DIS: Re: OFF: [Comic Book Guy] Buyers Guide

On Fri, 2013-04-26 at 12:38 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > COMIC BOOK GUY = WEEKLY TRADING CARD REPORT My last attempt to do a general promise with respect to this turned out hideously broken, but the general sentiment is still there: I'll exchange an ais523 card for any card I don't currently have.

DIS: Re: BUS: More Ribbons!

On Fri, 2013-04-26 at 13:34 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > I award Blue Ribbons (for timely judgement of inquiry cases) > to ais523 (CFJ 3308) and scshunt (CFJ 3307). -G. I think I had one already, but thanks for keeping an eye out for ribbon opportunities. -- ais523

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Horton] Promise Report

On Sat, 2013-05-04 at 00:43 -0400, Sean Hunt wrote: > > I destroy this Promise, because it can never be cashed. > How? > >I destroy these promises, because they have nonexistent authors. > How? I own them. Promises are assets, people! They're tradeable just like any other currency, and destroyable

DIS: Re: BAK: Liquidation

On Sat, 2013-05-04 at 12:20 -0400, Sean Hunt wrote: > On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Tanner Swett wrote: > > > I create 1035 promises titled "berk" in my possession. Text: "I transfer > > the specified trading card to the cashier, as long as the specified trading > > card is one of the followin

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Quick late judgement

On Tue, 2013-05-14 at 21:06 -0700, Wes Contreras wrote: > On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 8:59 PM, omd wrote: > > > > Considering that Making My Eyes Bleed was originally adopted at > > Class-6, and ehird was sentenced to TIME OUT for a Class-14 Crime, I > > wouldn't put much stock in the Classes at all.

DIS: Re: BUS: Not sure if this will go anywhere at all

On Fri, 2013-05-31 at 10:08 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > 1. Toy Nomic has no players. It is not possible to become > a player of toy nomic. > > 2. The players of Toy Nomic can amend its Rules by > unanimous consent. Doesn't this mean that it's platonically amending its rules in every possible

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3337 judged FALSE by G.

On Wed, 2013-06-19 at 13:43 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Wed, 19 Jun 2013, Alex Smith wrote: > > For each colour of ribbon, I attempt to award myself a ribbon of that > > colour. > > I think instead of kudos, we should start awarding dope slaps. > > Or maybe give

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