e: Launch Costs (was-re: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol. 7,Issue 312)
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Launch Costs (was-re: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol. 7,Issue 312)
From: Gus 8P6SM <8p6sm@>
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 19:36:44 -0400
Barry, I truly welcome the launch of 1.) ARISSat-1, 2.) FunCube and also
3.) FOX-1.
The main reason we are not going to have a AO-10 or 13 redo is that the odds of
some launch provider allowing an AO payload to have an engine on it after AO-40
are small. IF for instance however we had had a payload on the first real (not
the boilerplate) Dragon launch...well the second stage
Drew..No it is not a false premise.
.if SpaceX is flying with "not used" mass we should at least approach them to
be able to see if we could put payloads on the vehicle..or take something to
ISS...there is mass and space, the launch on Oct 7 will only carry 1000 lbs.
Also we might be able to
According to Google there are 33 teams (
http://www.googlelunarxprize.org/teams ) vying for the Google Lunar X Prize.
Where are these groups getting the money for their launch to the moon? Are any
of them "for real"? Many amateur space groups are just blowing hot air, they
have a lot of enthusiasm
That's correct, but then again SpaceX isn't in business to give away launches.
It's a false premise.
However, the Fox project is building multiple flight units, because
occasionally 1U cubesat slots do open on short notice, and an off-the-shelf
spacecraft has a chance to fly. This isn't without
I like going round and round in circles as much as the next guy. Now we
seem to be getting to the crux of the issue. Perhaps it's just the feeling
I get from reading the messages, predominantly from those across the pond
from the USA. It seems that the bashing and complaining is mostly directed
at
If AMSAT were given a "near free" launch by SpaceX or any of the other new
rocket folks there is nothing to put on the bird.
The Dragon launching to the space station Oct 7th is only carring 1000 pounds
there is a lot of excess lift capability...nothing to put on it
Robert WB5MZO
> Date: Mo
That would be the cost to fly as a secondary payload.
The bulk of the launch cost is paid by the primary payload, and that
currently runs anywhere from 90 million to 130 million, depending on
payload weight and desired orbit.
73, Jim KQ6EA
On 09/24/2012 08:04 PM, Mark L. Hammond wrote:
At
On 9/24/12, Bob- W7LRD wrote:
> What if we convince a consortium of educational institutions they need a
> HEO. Do educational institutions have to pay the going rate?
If my alma mater is an indication, it might be a waste of time trying
to convince a lot of educational institutions to put anyt
On 09/24/2012 08:07 PM, Andrew Glasbrenner wrote:
As it turns out there IS no launch fund for any HEO satellite for me to
contribute to.
Incorrect.
http://www.amsat-dl.org/index.php/spendendonations-topmenu-125
I've given to AMSAT-NA, -DL, and -UK, and am members of -NA and -UK. I'd
be a memb
On 09/24/2012 05:18 PM, Trevor . wrote:
If we look at the Kickstarter site we can see satellite projects that
between them have raised almost $300,000 yet the online Fundraising
by the projects took just 30 days.
Pity we can't obtain funding by the same means. It isn't as if we
wouldn't be ab
>As it turns out there IS no launch fund for any HEO satellite for me to
>contribute to.
Incorrect.
http://www.amsat-dl.org/index.php/spendendonations-topmenu-125
I've given to AMSAT-NA, -DL, and -UK, and am members of -NA and -UK. I'd be a
member of -DL, but my wife gets tired of me asking
>someone points out that it is in fact, no longer our band?
>
70cm is a shared band, and is where the bulk of the cubes go. Amateur radio is
a secondary user. Were the satellites (at least from the US) to apply for a
part 5 experimental license, they could and would use the exact same
frequen
AMSAT needs to form a union, overpay it's employees, then the leadership
can tell the US government that if we don't get a massive infusion of
taxpayer dollars that AMSAT will have to file for bankruptcy, therefore
putting all of those high paid union employees out of a job, and as a
side bar w
What if we convince a consortium of educational institutions they need a HEO.
Do educational institutions have to pay the going rate?
73 Bob W7LRD
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Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Launch
On 09/24/2012 03:47 PM, Barry Baines wrote:
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 7, Issue 312
From: Mark Spencer
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 13:26:45 -0700 (PDT)
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On 09/24/2012 04:07 PM, Andrew Glasbrenner wrote:
Yes, I think it would, as a reasonable compromise. In fact, maybe we
should PROVIDE them with a working comms board that gives them the data
pathways they need to fulfill their experimental needs AND at the same
time provides US with something t
On 09/24/2012 04:22 PM, John Spasojevich wrote:
Well Gus, I'm guessing you read Barry's comments regarding launch cost.
I did, and the number is exactly what I previously thought it was.
So write the check and we'll be ready.
Believe you me, if I had the cash, I would do exactly that.
By
> Clearly, we must expand beyond the amateur radio community
> to raise funds of this magnitude, but to do so requires
> both a non-amateur radio "vision" to what a HEO satellite
> would provide (e.g. excite non-amateurs) as well as a
> "Case for Support" that would attract major donors,
> su
Actually, I hope folks understand and recall that AMSAT's mission and
vision statement was changed a few years ago.
http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/AboutAmsat/mission.php
So there isn't a program underway to replace AO-40.
That happened at an annual meeting and was voted on by paid members as
I r
Thanks Barry and Mark for posting this number, I know it's been published
in various Symposium Proceedings. I don't think some of the people who
regularly post here and bemoan the good old days realize how much the
launch cost really is or what the effort is to get that kind of money. If
I ever wi
At 02:47 PM 9/24/2012, you wrote in part:
>BTW, we'd be happy to accept your $44.00 to renew your AMSAT membership; you
>can renew online at www.amsat.org... ;-)
not in my lifetime as long as the only thing I see is the FM sats.
By the way how is that program going to replace AO 40 ??
_
Well Gus, I'm guessing you read Barry's comments regarding launch cost. So
write the check and we'll be ready. By the time $10M is raised, the cost
will have tripled. We are talking about hams, not sure how their wallets
are where you are but here in the states, if something is listed at 50
cents
>
> Yes, I think it would, as a reasonable compromise. In fact, maybe we should
> PROVIDE them with a working comms board that gives them the data pathways
> they need to fulfill their experimental needs AND at the same time provides
> US with something that provides OUR needs.
>
> It seems t
On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 12:28:08 am Dave Webb KB1PVH wrote:
> Insult them, that's a great way to get groups to consider a repeater on
> board. Believe it or not, some people enjoy the peacefulness of receiving
> telemetry versus the the fight with inconsiderate operators.
>
> Dave-KB1PVH
>
> Sent from
At AMSAT-UK Colloquium last week, Peter said the current cost to HEO
for P3E or something like it is curently $10 Million (and the joke
was, pick your currency--it's about the same no matter what--US
dollar, Euros, GBP, etc.--BIG money)
So the number holds.
Mark N8MH
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 3:47
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 7, Issue 312
From: Mark Spencer
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 13:26:45 -0700 (PDT)
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On 09/24/2012 02:56 PM, John Spasojevich wrote:
I fail to see where your references prohibit such activity as long as
hams are involved. Would a school ham radio club be prohibited ?
Of course. IF what they were doing was not ham-related. Just because
you have a ham license doesn't mean you
I fail to see where your references prohibit such activity as long as hams
are involved. Would a school ham radio club be prohibited ? I think the
main issue is that these birds don't satisfy YOUR personal interest. Just
as ragchewing and dx-ing don't satisfy the schools exerimental goals. So
maybe
Drew responded very appropriately. I would suggest that no further
reply's are needed to Gus on the subject and that this discourse end
lest we get into another waste of time and bandwidth.
Good luck to all upcoming ISS CubeSat launches.
Regards...Bill - N6GHz
For those interested,
My grid confirmations just arrived in the mail today from Yuri's QSL
manager, so I'm sure those of you who are waiting may see them soon also.
Dave-KB1PVH
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On 09/24/2012 01:32 PM, John Spasojevich wrote:
If I could launch a cube sat for my experimental interests it would use
ham bands and may only send back tlm. So am I prohibited from that?
I, for one, would oppose the launch of, and object to your Cube Sat's
use of amateur frequencies, if it us
Dear Thu,
... good luck for an successful mission! As you already know - my station is
up and running to support you and your student group. Looking forward to
receiving F-1 telemetry.
Best wishes, 73
Mike
DK3WN
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In the states ham bands ate under constant pressure from commercial
intetests on the FCC for reallocation. Having those birds up there proves
the need and helps stave off reallocation. If we leabe them unused they
will go away. If I could launch a cube sat for my experimental interests it
would use
On 09/24/2012 12:39 PM, John Spasojevich wrote:
Or maybe they will be reallocated to them.
The chances of which increases, with every satellite launched that uses
the amateur bands but carries no amateur payload.
They use them more than we do.
Whose fault is that?
Maybe hams in your wor
ARRL note the contribution of Michael Owen VK3KI (SK) to the Amateur-satellite
Service:
“Among the assignments that Michael drew at WARC-79 was to draft a resolution
to exempt the Amateur-Satellite Service from coordination procedures that
otherwise would have bogged us down in endless paperwor
Hello Vu,
Congratulations to you and your students. I can only imagine the thrill of
anticipating the release from the ISS of the physical evidence of your hard
work. We shared the same excitement when ARISSat-1 was released.
The F-1 telemetry program installed just fine. It will be my pri
On Sep 24, 2012, at 12:10 PM, Gus 8P6SM <8p6sm@
>
> Or maybe we will consider denying them the use of ham frequencies?
>
> --
> 73, de Gus 8P6SM
> The Easternmost Isle
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Under what authority? They are licensed amateur radio operators, and self
Or maybe they will be reallocated to them. They use them more than we do.
Maybe hams in your world own frequencies but in tge USA their use is a
privilege not a right.
John, AG9D
On Sep 24, 2012 11:26 AM, "Gus 8P6SM" <8p...@anjo.com> wrote:
> On 09/24/2012 10:56 AM, Andrew Glasbrenner wrote:
>
>>
For what its worth. . .
some of the post to this subject seem to have been posted in the
HTML mode.
This being a plain text list was just unreadable.
Only fix was to delete.
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On 09/24/2012 10:56 AM, Andrew Glasbrenner wrote:
Their original 3u design included a transponder. Hopefully they will
overlook the boorish behavior and consider it for follow on projects.
Or maybe we will consider denying them the use of ham frequencies?
--
73, de Gus 8P6SM
The Easternmost Is
Thanks for the update Thu.
I appreciate the work that you and the students from the FPT University have
put into this project.
I hope the deployment of F-1 and the other CubeSats will be a success and I
look forward to receiving the signals.
73 Trevor M5AKA
--- On Mon, 24/9/12, Vu Trong Thu
Their original 3u design included a transponder. Hopefully they will overlook
the boorish behavior and consider it for follow on projects.
Good luck and congratulations in advance on the deployment of F-1
73, Drew KO4MA
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On Sep 24, 2012, at 10:28 AM, Dave Webb KB1PVH wrote:
Insult them, that's a great way to get groups to consider a repeater on
board. Believe it or not, some people enjoy the peacefulness of receiving
telemetry versus the the fight with inconsiderate operators.
Dave-KB1PVH
Sent from my Verizon Wireless Droid RAZR
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At ISS altitude it will take care of itself after a few months so don't worry
about space junk.
Thanks,
Thu
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From: wa4...@comcast.net [mailto:wa4...@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 8:41 PM
To: Vu Trong Thu
Cc: AMSAT
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More space junk JUNK as far as we hams care. How many of these things do you
need. Send up a good repeater and we will all be happy Beep Beep Beep Beep Beep
Damon
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From: "Vu Trong Thu"
To: amsat-bb@amsat.org
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 6:29:18 AM
Subject: [ams
Dear everyone,
According to latest news from JAXA, deployment of the 5 CubeSats to space by
the robotic arm of Kibo module on the ISS will be carried out on Thursday,
September 27. Here is the plan:
- First, 15h10 to 15h20: WE WISH and RAIKO from POD #1
- Second,16h30 to 16h40
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