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To: Apple-Crop
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I think that is a good point about the kaolin,,, I know the non ag
formulations for pottery have all kinds of warnings for cancer,
inhalation threat, etc.. A simple particle mask would probably take
care of most of it
ehalf Of Robert kuljis
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 2:50 PM
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I think that is a good point about the kaolin,,, I know the non ag
formulations for pottery have all kinds of warnings for cancer,
inhalation threat, etc.. A simpl
I could not find the data for the 40% figure, that was from memory..
Some figures I can source that should be of interest are the UN FAO
report in 2006 on livestock alone causing around 20% global
greenhouse gas emissions, more then transportation. The Worldwatch
institute claims the numb
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 12:34 PM
To: 'Apple-Crop'
Subject: RE: Apple-Crop: RE:..and causes you to be fat too!
Only in a site like this can we start with an article suggesting that fruit
causes obesity in children and end up with population control philosophy.
My wife and I
Fleming, William
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:40 AM
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>From what I've read fresh water will be the limiting population factor long
before energy.
I hate to see people dying off but perhaps a world population fe
Actually I've seen the process of moving from blemished fruit to
"clean" fruit happen, Dave, on research trips to Romania. When we
first went, soon after the fall of communism, the apples being sold in
all the markets I saw were blemished by insects and diseases to the
extent that most woul
He had a few other factors working for him. He was on top of a hill,
with good air movement. Conway, where he lived, is climatically cooler
than most of MA or in your case CT. His trees were relatively small
and well-pruned. Again, good air movement, less humidity. He was
removed from the c
earch Center
580 Quast Ln
Corvallis, Montana
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Behalf Of Randy Beaudry
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An
- From: "William H Shoemaker"
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n talking about in the
previous discussion. It is food for thought.
Robert Justman
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From: "William H Shoemaker"
To: "'Apple-Crop'"
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 6:21 AM
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Amen to that Mark!
William H. Shoemaker
Sr. Research Specialist, Food Crops
University of Illinois - Crop Sciences
St Charles Horticulture Research Center
535 Randall Road, St Charles, IL, 60174
630-584-7254, FAX-584-4610
wshoe...@illinois.edu
Finally, since I seem to be glued to a spray rig fo
If Ron Prokopy could prevent occurrence of disgusting sooty blotch
and flyspeck infections on his Massachusetts-grown
apples with "a couple of well-timed fungicides", he certainly had an
unusual prescience concerning weather. But that
alone could not have made such a minimal pesticide pr
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On Behalf Of William H Shoemaker
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 8:22 AM
To: 'Apple-Crop'
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I've found there is a great diversity of viewpoints in most hort depar
Dan covers a lot of interesting points. However, most of us are
still locked into thinking about things as they presently exist in
our socio-economic system. Part of this discussion was triggered by
Mr. Kuljis's comment about greenhouse gas emissions and the hidden
costs of our production sys
Quoting ...
"I'm no expert on human behavior either, but I still tell my students
that a large part of what drives pesticide applications in fruit and
vegetables is that people shop with their eyes and lower cognitive
functions. I'm convinced that at some level, humans react to
blemishes,
On Jul 25, 2010, at 11:13 AM, Mark Angermayer wrote:
Obviously, I'm not a behavioral scientist but I think instead of
"educated"
in your quote, a better word would be "offered". That is,
agriculture has
continued to offer more attractive looking food. It seems to me the
consumer drives
rticulture Research Center
535 Randall Road, St Charles, IL, 60174
630-584-7254, FAX-584-4610
wshoe...@illinois.edu
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While Robert Kuljis worries about the influence of giant companies, others,
including myself, worry about the influen
I began my career almost 30 years ago. The kinds of research you suggest had
been taking place already for decades. An incredible amount of progress has
been made since then in understanding the ecology of agriculture. I think
you're wrong about the "scale of effort" being much higher toward chemic
Michigan
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On Behalf Of frecon
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 11:02 PM
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Dear Mr. Kuljis:
Everything i
do
> something about that. Who's in charge here!
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> Bill
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> Original message
>> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 18:31:11 -0400
>> From: Ken Hall
>> Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: RE:..and causes you to be fat too!
>> To: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net
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for twenty years
Commercial organic apple grower for fifteen years
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From: Kurt Alstede
To: 'Apple-Crop'
Sent: Sat, Jul 24, 2010 2:57 pm
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To Jim Bittner's quote I say AMEN! Yet, also like Jim we a
ot for
cosmetic purposes, but to prevent crop loss.
Mark Angermayer
Tubby Fruits
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From: "Claude Jolicoeur" <>
To: "Apple-Crop"
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 12:36 AM
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> Dave Rosen
p@virtualorchard.net
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Comment: There has been many note able comments made about organic apple
production, and this is quite common on such a controversial subject. I find
this very similar to diverse and
"
Jim Koan
Michigan
Commercial conventional apple grower for twenty years
Commercial organic apple grower for fifteen years
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From: Kurt Alstede
To: 'Apple-Crop'
Sent: Sat, Jul 24, 2010 2:57 pm
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Dave Rosenberger wrote:
Unfortunately, American and European consumers demand food that is 100%
free of pests, blemishes, and contaminants
I think this is the key point! If there were no perfect fruit available on
the market, people would eat fruit that is not perfect. A spot of scab o
ehalf Of Jim Bittner
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 6:15 PM
To: 'Apple-Crop'
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Every once in a while I have to pull out something that was posted a few
years back on this list serve about organic. I think it fits. I even grow
some
Mr. Kuljis, your response causes me considerable
pain for several different reasons.
First, where did you come up with data
indicating that 40% of green house gas emissions
result from agriculture? I find that figure very
difficult to believe, although I am not an expert
on greenhouse gasses
July 24, 2010 6:15 PM
To: 'Apple-Crop'
Subject: RE: Apple-Crop: RE:..and causes you to be fat too!
Every once in a while I have to pull out something that was posted a few
years back on this list serve about organic. I think it fits. I even grow
some certified organic apples, but thi
09 PM
To: Apple-Crop
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I agree. I wasn't really arguing with Ken. I just wonder when we will get to
live risk-free.
Bill
Original message
>Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 11:49:50 -0700
>From: Robert kuljis
>Subject: Re: Apple
I agree. I wasn't really arguing with Ken. I just wonder when we will get to
live risk-free.
Bill
Original message
>Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 11:49:50 -0700
>From: Robert kuljis
>Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: RE:..and causes you to be fat too!
>To: "Apple-Crop"
harge here!
Bill
Original message
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 18:31:11 -0400
From: Ken Hall
Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: RE:..and causes you to be fat too!
To: apple-crop@virtualorchard.net
Is anyone familiar with work on human exposure to
kaolin clay in an orchard setting? A pulm
I recently heard life is terminal. I think someone should do something about
that. Who's in charge here!
Bill
Original message
>Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 18:31:11 -0400
>From: Ken Hall
>Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: RE:..and causes you to be fat too!
>To: apple-crop@v
m: Fleming, William
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Sent: Fri, Jul 23, 2010 4:31 pm
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I wouldn’t say organic pesticidesmore toxic to the environment but the fact
that most are so broad spectrum thatthey kill beneficials as well as pests.
That makes them un
Apple-Crop
Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: RE:..and causes you to be fat too!
I agree to buy local , but how can you say that organic pesticides are more
toxic to the enviornment? Lets see, kaolin clay, entrust(soil organism),
pyrethreum(breaks down VERY fast, as opposed to synthetic version which last
l
I agree to buy local , but how can you say that organic pesticides
are more toxic to the enviornment? Lets see, kaolin clay, entrust
(soil organism), pyrethreum(breaks down VERY fast, as opposed to
synthetic version which last longer). How are these more toxic then
man made chemicals whic
It is more important to know where your food is grown! We have seen
salmonella from melons and scallions from Mexico and Asia. The USA has the Food
& Drug Administration that tightly regulates pesticides and their application.
Foreign foods do not! Some pesticides are not applied to the fo
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