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On 2/16/18, Christopher Havel wrote: > Well, that didn't work out. Luke, can I please ask you to hold out till > Sunday? I have company tomorrow helping with that room and I'll be busy all > day with that. > > I'm truly sorry to have to ask... There's no rush.. Nothing

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Well, that didn't work out. Luke, can I please ask you to hold out till Sunday? I have company tomorrow helping with that room and I'll be busy all day with that. I'm truly sorry to have to ask... ___ arm-netbook mailing list

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FYI -- mostly to Luke -- I've got a two-tier logo design drawn out on paper, just haven't had a chance to scan it yet. I have a doc appointment today -- gave myself a friggin limp trying to empty out that room that got leaked in -- when I get back from the docs cussing me out, I'll try and see if

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On Fri, 16 Feb 2018, Pen-Yuan Hsing wrote: > On 16/02/18 11:13, Erik Auerswald wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I did not want to enter this flame war, but I want to point out an >> obvious misunderstanding of the involved parties: >> >> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 02:51:06PM +, Luke

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On 16/02/18 11:13, Erik Auerswald wrote: Hi, I did not want to enter this flame war, but I want to point out an obvious misunderstanding of the involved parties: On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 02:51:06PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: [...] now, it so happens in the case of HDMI that

Re: [Arm-netbook] pyra computer

Hi, I did not want to enter this flame war, but I want to point out an obvious misunderstanding of the involved parties: On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 02:51:06PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > [...] > now, it so happens in the case of HDMI that you can simply put an > HDMI connector on

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/15/2018 06:43 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > --- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: > https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 > > > On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 4:40 PM, Christopher Havel > wrote: >> I think the

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On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 4:47 PM, Christopher Havel wrote: > Last from phone - got to go, will get back to you later... but this is > still easily doable. give it a shot when you have time - let's work through it when you're back.

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Last from phone - got to go, will get back to you later... but this is still easily doable. On Feb 15, 2018 11:43 AM, "Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton" wrote: > --- > crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 > > > On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 4:40 PM,

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--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 4:40 PM, Christopher Havel wrote: > Quickie from my phone, sorry. not a problem > I think the world is not full of stupid people. Two similar but distinct > logos should

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Quickie from my phone, sorry. I think the world is not full of stupid people. Two similar but distinct logos should not be a challenge for the general population... even in the USA, where education is somewhat questionable in quality, or in African countries where education is *ahem* borderline

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--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 4:13 PM, Christopher Havel wrote: > So... have the word "EOMA68" in the logo for both tiers, no tiers. too dangerous, too confusing. > just have > something that

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So... have the word "EOMA68" in the logo for both tiers, just have something that universally indicates "premium" or "certified" or "extra" or "plus" in the "EOMA68=Certified" logo, and have that something NOT be in the other logo. (A yellow or gold-colored award-ribbon symbol comes to mind, but

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--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 3:29 PM, Christopher Havel wrote: > On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 9:52 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton > wrote: > >> if specific to one country that would be

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On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 9:52 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > if specific to one country that would be fine chris. EOMA68 like > HDMI and BLE is not intended for one country. it's global. Hence why I said "in a local language to the geographic region" where the

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if specific to one country that would be fine chris. EOMA68 like HDMI and BLE is not intended for one country. it's global. --- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 2:50 PM, Christopher Havel wrote: > Another

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--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 12:34 PM, Jean Flamelle wrote: >> nobody gets confused, world-wide, about the Certification Mark "BLE" >> or the Certification Mark "HDMI". >> >> argh can't read the rest

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Another quick phone post. YedIf the problem with my idea is the word "certified" - DON'T USE THAT WORD IN THE LOGO but require it somewhere nearby in a local language to the intended geographic region where the device is to be sold. Also, the very idea of my two levels, two labels approach is to

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> nobody gets confused, world-wide, about the Certification Mark "BLE" > or the Certification Mark "HDMI". > > argh can't read the rest too busy, so sorry. REALLY limited time right > now. Don't worry, I think I understand your point of view and I'm trying to put it in terms everyone else can

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--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:39 AM, Jean Flamelle wrote: >> Let there be two "levels" of EOMA68. "EOMA68" by itself can be construed >> from now on to mean "compatible with the standard in some

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Correction, it is fair use to criticize or make commentary. Otherwise the word EOMA68 is essentially a copyrighted word. It's kinda funny and scary to think such things exist. However they kind of have to, because the confusion does endanger people. I'll admit the possibility of a battery fire

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I think it's important to remember Ron also said this :) > Lkcl is not my enemy. He does not snide. You do not > doubt lkcl goes a long way to achieve his goal. You > know he will not skip his principles. On > communicating however. Most everything else seemed like venting misunderstanding. Well

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> Let there be two "levels" of EOMA68. "EOMA68" by itself can be construed > from now on to mean "compatible with the standard in some reasonable way". > Then, /with a separate and distinct but visually similar/ logo - "EOMA68 > Certified", which is exactly that. That doesn't get around the

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apologies i am going to keep this brief, i am on the clock, an extremely limited amount of time for this visit to the UK... which this is causing massive problems for me to have to deal with. so please STOP taking up my time. On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 5:09 PM, wrote: >

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Regarding moderator approval. I ask you to display this email on the emailing list. Thereby enabling transparency and ensuring that subscribers get to know my arguments. Not doing so I will hold against you. > you seem to believe that you have the right to do whatever you want: you > don't. >

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Quick post from phone, in my way to bed. Please excuse top-posting and occasional typos, if present. I have a proposal for Luke that I think would solve this problem instantly. Let there be two "levels" of EOMA68. "EOMA68" by itself can be construed from now on to mean "compatible with the

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It is also important to note that for all intensive an diy project could receive a certification. Also if you read the first line of that wikipedia article: "Reasonable and non-discriminatory (RAND) terms, also known as fair, reasonable, and non-discriminatory (FRAND) terms, denote a voluntary

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On 2/13/18, Julie Marchant wrote: > On 2018年02月13日 15:38, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: >> he's calling into question my authority and the right as a Copyright >> Holder of the word - and standard - "EOMA68", chris. that's very very >> serious. and also publicly

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Having reviewed the message in question (as near as I can determine... I believe it to be Ron's email, 11 Feb 2016 at 12:09pm) I still see no problems posed by what Ron is doing or saying. Luke, I notice that you have not directly responded to any of the ongoing commentary. I would invite you to

Re: [Arm-netbook] pyra computer

On 2018年02月14日 11:27, Louis Pearson wrote: > It occurs to me that Luke is a citizen of the UK, and so may not be > using US law. Yes, but I see no reason to believe that the U.K. government would unreasonably intertwine these completely unrelated laws together in the way that Luke suggests. Of

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On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Julie Marchant wrote: > On 2018年02月14日 06:45, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > > yes. my understanding is that Trademarks and Cerfitication > > Marks, by being covered *by* Copyright Law, are in effect a sub-branch > > of Copyright.

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On 2018年02月14日 06:45, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > yes. my understanding is that Trademarks and Cerfitication > Marks, by being covered *by* Copyright Law, are in effect a sub-branch > of Copyright. No, copyright has nothing to do with them. Why do you think copyright has anything

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On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:07 AM, Philip Hands wrote: > IANAL, but I suspect that the confusion arises because Luke is > (presumably) the sole copyright holder on the canonical documentation > for the standard, so while there is a Certification Mark (which I think > is mostly

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On Wed, 14 Feb 2018, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 11:30:49PM -0500, Julie Marchant wrote: >> >> Either that, or perhaps you are referring to some other law which is >> neither copyright nor trademark, and spreading confusion by using two >> wrong terms. >

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On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 9:05 PM, Christopher Havel wrote: > I honestly don't know of a message archive, the specific message that i was referring to was only sent about 2 to 3 hours beforehand. you should be able to find it easily by re-reading only about 4 or 5 message

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On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 11:30:49PM -0500, Julie Marchant wrote: > > Either that, or perhaps you are referring to some other law which is > neither copyright nor trademark, and spreading confusion by using two > wrong terms. In Canada, I've been old that standards marks are legally recognissed as

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On 2018年02月13日 15:38, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > he's calling into question my authority and the right as a Copyright > Holder of the word - and standard - "EOMA68", chris. that's very very > serious. and also publicly recorded. you can double-check that by > re-reading the messages.

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> he's calling into question my authority and the right as a Copyright > Holder of the word - and standard - "EOMA68", chris. that's very very > serious. and also publicly recorded. you can double-check that by > re-reading the messages. > > i am REQUIRED to respond to that - by explicitly

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A belated thank you, Tor -- however, the burden of proof rightfully lies with Luke. Further, I have a room in my house to clean out after a catastrophic roof leak (not to mention an impending fight with insurance, which I'm most certainly not looking forward to), and a doctor's appointment on

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/13/2018 11:05 AM, Christopher Havel wrote: > I honestly don't know of a message archive, and my skills at > searching through ANY archive have historically been a bit lacking > at best. When you have time, point me to (at least a few) specific >

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I honestly don't know of a message archive, and my skills at searching through ANY archive have historically been a bit lacking at best. When you have time, point me to (at least a few) specific messages in an archive that make your case, and I'll go from there. In the meantime, I still think it

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--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 8:55 PM, Christopher Havel wrote: > I don't see that Ron is doing what you're asserting, please review the messages, it's very very clear. > therefore I cannot > answer

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I don't see that Ron is doing what you're asserting, therefore I cannot answer your question as you have requested me to do so. Ron is carrying out a hobbyist project with a product you are seeking to sell. Nothing more, nothing less. There are acres of paper in every law school's public library

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On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 8:24 PM, Christopher Havel wrote: > Ron is not doing anything that will harm your project, Luke. he's calling into question my authority and the right as a Copyright Holder of the word - and standard - "EOMA68", chris. that's very very serious.

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Ron is not doing anything that will harm your project, Luke. You're seeing daggers in shadows and neither are really there. The sort of thing that Ron is doing happens all the time, nobody in corporate anything has a real problem with it, and the liability is /always/ assigned to the person

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I think you're being a bit literal there. I don't see any problem with what Ron is doing. As far as I can tell, he's well within US Copyright Law's "Fair Use" clause (17 USC Section 107). I realize it's more likely to be the Berne Convention that would apply here -- but the Fair Use Clause is

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On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 7:23 PM, Christopher Havel wrote: > Isn't that a little harsh? considering that ron's response time has consistently been within that timeframe... i didn't initially believe so. > Particularly with respect to the time limit. > Suppose he gets

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Isn't that a little harsh? Particularly with respect to the time limit. Suppose he gets bumped by some old lady's jeep and can't respond in time because he's in hospital. Unlikely, but possible. Also, I will point out that there are ways for Ron to feck around with you -- calling it a "PCMCIA

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On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 5:09 PM, wrote: > considered my phrasing short, effective and direct. I do not > see, why lkcl should limit my free speech on such a minor thing. > I should not have gotten the request in the first place. but you *aren't* free, ron - not in

Re: [Arm-netbook] pyra computer

Original Message From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <l...@lkcl.net> Apparently from: arm-netbook-boun...@lists.phcomp.co.uk To: Eco-Conscious Computing <arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] pyra computer Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2018 09:21:27 +

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On Tue, 06 Feb 2018, zap wrote: > On 02/06/18 17:15, Tor, the Marqueteur wrote: >> On 02/06/2018 12:01 PM, zap wrote: >> >> >> May-be if Ron says , he means to ask Luke >> >> OR ANY MEMBER, to give an opinion as to whether Luke's ability or >> >> time or opportunity, means

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On Wednesday, February 7, 2018, zap crap. > > > Still, impressive... I hope they pick a processor that isn't vulnerable > to spectre and meltdown. xD > > > > > > cortex a15 dual. probably omap5. baby version is a7. probably isnt but goodvidea to check. modukar design so can replace. > >

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On 02/06/18 17:01, zap wrote: >>    May-be if Ron says , he means to ask Luke OR >> ANY MEMBER, to give an opinion as to whether Luke's ability or time or >> opportunity, means that Luke can do that something.  If some one means >> to convey THAT, I have not noticed any one here suggest better

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/06/2018 12:01 PM, zap wrote: > >> May-be if Ron says , he means to ask Luke >> OR ANY MEMBER, to give an opinion as to whether Luke's ability or >> time or opportunity, means that Luke can do that something. If >> some one means to convey

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>    May-be if Ron says , he means to ask Luke OR > ANY MEMBER, to give an opinion as to whether Luke's ability or time or > opportunity, means that Luke can do that something.  If some one means > to convey THAT, I have not noticed any one here suggest better wording > than Ron's wording.  But

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On 18.2.5 11:53, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 5:28 PM, wrote: If I write: Lkcl, can you ... Then I want you to answer. If I write: Can lkcl ... Then all on the email list may answer. the list's name is "arm-netbooks", best to refer

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On Tuesday, February 6, 2018, Jean Flamelle wrote: > On 2/5/18, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 5:28 PM, wrote: > > > >> If I write: Lkcl, can you ... > >> Then I want you to answer. > >> If I write:

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On 2/5/18, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 5:28 PM, wrote: > >> If I write: Lkcl, can you ... >> Then I want you to answer. >> If I write: Can lkcl ... >> Then all on the email list may answer. > > the list's name is

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On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 5:28 PM, wrote: > If I write: Lkcl, can you ... > Then I want you to answer. > If I write: Can lkcl ... > Then all on the email list may answer. the list's name is "arm-netbooks", best to refer to everyone on it by that, rather than confuse the

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ron can i ask you the favour of not referring to me in the 3rd person? i'm right here!!! > If I write: Lkcl, can you ... > Then I want you to answer. > If I write: Can lkcl ... > Then all on the email list may answer. Not that talking in third person isn't amusing to me, but Luke

Re: [Arm-netbook] pyra computer

Original Message From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <l...@lkcl.net> Apparently from: arm-netbook-boun...@lists.phcomp.co.uk To: Eco-Conscious Computing <arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] pyra computer Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 23:09:31 + &

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Original Message From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <l...@lkcl.net> Apparently from: arm-netbook-boun...@lists.phcomp.co.uk To: Eco-Conscious Computing <arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] pyra computer Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 05:51:57 + &

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On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 05:51:57AM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > > yes lkcl has been in touch with the pyra team. > > ron can i ask you the favour of not referring to me in the 3rd > person? i'm right here!!! So am I. The use of second person can be confusing. -- hendrik

Re: [Arm-netbook] pyra computer

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 9:46 PM, wrote: > https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/threads/getting-closer.82436/ > > I cannot remember if I previously have posted about the pyra computer. > You can notice some of the same problems you see about > the pc card. > > It seems the

[Arm-netbook] pyra computer

https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/threads/getting-closer.82436/ I cannot remember if I previously have posted about the pyra computer. You can notice some of the same problems you see about the pc card. It seems the pyra's cabinet has been made. The cabinet has no pc card port. Has lkcl been in