I keep saying it but Asbury Couple just doesn't get it. I have not,
and will not, blame the current council for a deal they did not
negotiate. However, no matter how bleak the picture was at the time,
I don't think it is being an armchair quarterback by saying the deal
is lopsided to the
This list has been criticized for not allowing different and positive points
of view. I think it is in everybody's best interest to make different points
of view welcome on the list. So I am glad to facilitate that.
But I must confront the armchair/Monday morning quarterback analogy. That
Does it matter whether he fulfilled his end? Or just that he was
willing to leverage his public position to get something for free?
And while the driveway was small, assuming it is true it
demonstrates that he and the others were willing to trade
influence. Why should anyone believe that
I agree with almost everything you said. A change for the sake of a change is
probably doomed. Unless I have a candidate with substantially better
credentials I may end up voting for one or more on the re-elect ticket myself.
But the better deal in the wings part I don't see. My complaint
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Does it matter whether he fulfilled his end? Or just that he was
willing to leverage his public position to get something for free?
And while the driveway was small, assuming it is true it
demonstrates that he
Shouldn't we give the Council credit for some of the good that is
going on?
Oh Mark, what fun would that be? Only kidding. Okay, give credit
where credit is due. But are you suggesting that someone gets credit
for just not screwing up? That's like congratulating the kid who
didn't crack up
Funny but I too am arguing the positive side of life. However, I
doubt we get there by ignoring missteps along the way.
To argue that this council deserves credit for general improvement in
Asbury misses the point that during the past 4 years you'd be
hard-pressed to find any location in New
I have to disagree with your rain dance analogy. Rain is
inevitable, even in a dessert. Decades of mismanagement and false
starts has proven that redevelopment in AP was not inevitable at
all. The board has done alot to create an environment to enable
this to happen. They may not have
Well I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt that they may
have done some good things to foster an environment to revitalize
AP. My beef is only with their dealings with Absury Partners. A
harder line should have been taken and more demanded. This includes
making sure we get the
So trader dude/dube, good that you've been following us, too bad about
your friendship with Weldon (hey, who's perfect), it's refreshing to
read new blood; stay in touch.
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I have been lurking for many months, waiting for
I don't know about the Springwood Ave deal, but the waterfront get
held up, and could not be remedied by eminent domain, because the
development rights were under the protection of the US bankruptcy
court. Thus, a superior (federal) government interest precluded
appropriation or condemnation
Could it be this simple?
Many of you support or are willing to `live with the devil you know',
while some of us believe that elected government must exercise greater
care in dealing with, what are in fact, the assets of the those who
elected them?
If that's what separates us, all that need
I just love the free exchange of diverse opinions expressed on this
forum! What a city.
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For starters, I am not judge and jury to anyone. But basically as I
read your points below you are saying that there was some sort of
conspiracy here against him because he is a straight black
politician in Asbury Park. So the FBI is in on this conspiracy - as
this was their
It is one of the reasons I love this place!
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I just love the free exchange of diverse opinions expressed on
this
forum! What a city.
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Asbury couple got me thinking, and since I am not conversant with
all of the historical facts about who was and wasn't in charge at
the time, I looked up this timeline from Restore Radio. Check it
out. Seems to me this council was there right after this deal was
done. I know that the MOU was
Asbury Couple:
Got you! I purposely inserted the word"straight" to see if you can see the BIG PICTURE Here. It's obvious to me that you believe all that you read in the papers and you really don't understand absolute power, politics or warehousing for profit or GP.
All I am saying is that
This is part of the story I don't get. These politicians were
accused of taking bribes totalling roughly $25,000, yet this Steffer
character accepted at least a $96,350 contract in Keyport, plus
however much more he received in the other towns. I'm no federal
agent, but wouldn't it make
Take a minute or five deep
breaths and absorb the work of Anna Marie Guterl on SpiralBridge.org
Human
salvation lies in the hands of the creatively maladjusted.
-MartinLuther King Jr.
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