[AsburyPark] Re: Getting rid of the poor or the middle class?

2006-08-01 Thread Tom
My point was that just because a school official drives a fancy vehicle does not mean they are rich. Credit allows many that cannot afford it to live way above their means. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom, I agree that Teachers may need a raise, at

[AsburyPark] Re: Getting rid of the poor or the middle class?

2006-07-31 Thread Steve
Tom, I agree that Teachers may need a raise, at least with starting salaries, anyway. As far as the poor driving Land Rovers, the only way which I can understand that is that they'll never be able to afford Real Estate (especially now), so they splurge on their vehicles. Then again, I can't

[AsburyPark] Re: Getting rid of the poor or the middle class?

2006-07-30 Thread Steve
Tom, To start with your Last Comment about Asbury's Schools: There's Plenty of money to run the schools more than adequately! It's just that Superintendent Lewis, DiSanto and the other School Board Members are MORE interested in building Buildings, which brings elaborate Contracts with it,

[AsburyPark] Re: Getting rid of the poor or the middle class?

2006-07-29 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris, I would prefer a flat sales tax over income tax. This way everyone pays into our society. You consume, you pay. But Tom, lower income earners would pay a greater portion of their income as tax because they have to

[AsburyPark] Re: Getting rid of the poor or the middle class?

2006-07-29 Thread Tom
That is why I am not a politician. If someone in this Yahoo Group can create a tax plan that does not not abuse any group more than another while equally taxing those individuals that do not report income tax, I will personally nominate you for a Nobel Prize. I guess the real question is how

[AsburyPark] Re: Getting rid of the poor or the middle class?

2006-07-28 Thread oakdorf
---between taxes and a mortgage, that is why it someitmes is better to RENT then to buy. You'll be able to rent for a good % less then it would cost you to own - ven with your write-offs for home wonership. Those extra $, if there were, you stick away for the future. Yahoo! Groups Links

[AsburyPark] Re: Getting rid of the poor or the middle class?

2006-07-28 Thread Steve
Allan, WHY Should Multi-Millionaires GET a Tax Break to buy $1 Million Condos? They don't pay their fair share of Income Tax as it is, since Bush gave them a 70% Tax Cut at the Federal Level when he got in, as did Reagan in the 1980's! That just puts MORE pressure on current owners of both

[AsburyPark] Re: Getting rid of the poor or the middle class?

2006-07-28 Thread oakdorf
I'll join with Dan, the rich,as you put it, do a pretty good job of supporting those less fortunate. How much is enough? Should a $2m dollar house be hit with 30k in taxes? Or be hit 40k on the sale - just for taxes - just because. Because as long as money is hauled in from the rich and

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Getting rid of the poor or the middle class?

2006-07-28 Thread Allan Peterson
Steve,The tax breaks you spoke of saved our eonomy. The tax incentives allowed business to invest and grow. The result? We have a low unemployment rate and the federal government is collecting more than it has in the past 10 years in tax revenue.This seems like a better plan then giving

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Getting rid of the poor or the middle class?

2006-07-28 Thread Allan Peterson
Steve,The tax breaks you spoke of saved our eonomy. The tax incentives allowed business to invest and grow. The result? We have a low unemployment rate and the federal government is collecting more than it has in the past 10 years in tax revenue.This seems like a better plan then giving

[AsburyPark] Re: Getting rid of the poor or the middle class?

2006-07-28 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not a millionaire but I don't think you should have to pay a greater % just becuase you have more money. I am not a millionaire either Allan, but I disagree with you (slightly). I am for progressive tax

[AsburyPark] Re: Getting rid of the poor or the middle class?

2006-07-28 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only fair share with any taxation is a flat percentage. Ask why _that_ is so hard to understand. No breaks, no exceptions, just a plain percentage, nice and fair. You make more, you pay more, it's simple. Progressive

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Getting rid of the poor or the middle class?

2006-07-28 Thread Chris
Yeah, I'm with you on this. I have relatives that earn in the top 1% easily and they have basically a second full time job managing shell corporations and all sorts of other nonsense for no other reason than to try to hold on to what they've earned. If you earn a few million a year in this

[AsburyPark] Re: Getting rid of the poor or the middle class?

2006-07-28 Thread Steve
Alan, The tax breaks did NOT save our economy! We had the best economy during the past 40 years while President Clinton was in, and he just put the Taxes back on the Wealthy! Virtually our Entire National Deficit, now over 17 Trillion, was amassed under Reagan, Bush I Bush II, yet the

[AsburyPark] Re: Getting rid of the poor or the middle class?

2006-07-28 Thread Tom
Chris, I would prefer a flat sales tax over income tax. This way everyone pays into our society. You consume, you pay. A family will pay more toward school tax this way due to food consumption, clothing and such than a single man or woman making the same wages (unless they are spend-a-holics).

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Getting rid of the poor or the middle class?

2006-07-28 Thread Chris
Any of you see any studies as to what roughly that percentage would work out to re: a national sales tax to replace income tax?I'm curious.Most of the flat income tax proposals I saw would be about the same I pay nowbut without having all the 'funny money' totals before I itemize and take

[AsburyPark] Re: Getting rid of the poor or the middle class?

2006-07-27 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will Asbury Park become a place the wealthy come to retire? Will all of Monmouth County? That is up to market forces, which are much more efficient than any government controlled economy. I think the past century has proved

[AsburyPark] Re: Getting rid of the poor or the middle class?

2006-07-27 Thread Steve
Gary (Lighty?), You're absolutely correct! In fact, I'll add to it. There are going to be only two, or three, types of People able to buy (Afford) the Luxury Condos: Those who are very Wealthy and are buying a "Vacation" Home (Probably 35-55%)People , also wealthy, who are

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Getting rid of the poor or the middle class?

2006-07-27 Thread Allan Peterson
Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Wanna talk Tax Ratables? Fishman and our City is giving these super rich persons a 50% Tax Deduction for 5 Years, and a 25% Deduction the following 5 Years! Where will the difference come from . YOU, the current Tax Payers! Why should Rich People

[AsburyPark] Re: Getting rid of the poor or the middle class?

2006-07-27 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Correct me if I am wrong If I was to buy a condo for 500,000 I would be pay tax on a value of 500,000 without the abatement. With the abatement I would be paying tax on a value of 250,000 for that same condo.

[AsburyPark] Re: Getting rid of the poor or the middle class?

2006-07-27 Thread Steve
dfsgavgny, Everything that you said was probably very close to "Right on". What you didn't say, is that the current homeowners, and Condo owners on Cookman, etc., will be carrying and unfair burden of the Taxes for 10 Years. You did say that the Schools get $0 from the Luxury Condos, right?

[AsburyPark] Re: Getting rid of the poor or the middle class?

2006-07-26 Thread oakdorf
Interesting in certain sections of OCean Township where the Syrian Jews have been buying property East of Monmouth Road, especially around my section. Where some of the homes doubled in value in 1 year. Some of the non-jews were coomplaining about them. Needless to say, they are selling for

[AsburyPark] Re: Getting rid of the poor or the middle class?

2006-07-26 Thread Steve
oakdorf, You may not have read my last Post, but the economy is finally taking a real turn for the worse. On NBC I heard that it's taking almost 7times as long for people to sell houses right now! It's officially a "Buyers" Market. Yes, Syrian Jews Hasidics are both "One the Move" to take