[AsburyPark] Re: Rev. Kev,... Help Me Out

2007-09-04 Thread justifiedright
You've zeroed in on the point Gary. Nice job. Almost every combat soldier in the history of the US has faced the same peronal dilemma: To kill, when the nature of himself is not to kill. The way a soldier pulls the trigger, they way he does not hesitate, is to be secure in the

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2007-09-04 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To the troop himself I imagine it means a great deal. To go into battle, to kill and risk being killed, I think I would want to feel a closeness with God. I would want to be sure in my cause being just, to be able

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2007-09-04 Thread Kevin Brown
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe it's just me, but I'd be hearing that ol' commandment Thou Shall Not Kill in my ears all of the time. That commandment never says kill if the battle is correct or anything like that, it's pretty specific.

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2007-09-04 Thread Hinge
Oh Jesus, here we go again...(sorry, I couldn't resist) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien lightgrw@ wrote: Maybe it's just me, but I'd be hearing that ol' commandment Thou Shall Not Kill in my ears all of

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2007-09-04 Thread Jersey Shore John
Except Congress never declared war. H. Funny that. The war happened because when Bush first indicated his intention to go to war against Iraq, Congress refused to insist on enforcement of Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution. For more than 200 years, this article has spelled out

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2007-09-04 Thread MarioAPNJ
In a message dated 9/4/2007 11:56:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh Jesus, here we go again...(sorry, I couldn't resist) Don't resist. The kind preaching is specious talk. Deceptively attractive and appealing, but doesn't support the troops to keep sending

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2007-09-04 Thread Jersey Shore John
But Mario: They're over there fighting for FREEDOM. Unfortunately, it's just Iraqi freedom (and schools and infrastructure and universal healthcare) not ours, silly. Get with the program! On Sep 4, 2007, at 1:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/4/2007 11:56:42 A.M. Eastern

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2007-09-03 Thread Kevin Brown
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I really am still curious what a bona fide religious group is? I remember all those contentious cases with scientology, marijuana churches, churches requiring ritual slaughter of animals in Manhattan, something about an

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2007-09-03 Thread Mario
In a message dated 9/3/2007 3:24:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To call you Reverend Mario, is no big thing. OK. If you say so. You're entitled. I thought it was a big thing because I've had on my mind recent comments by Christopher Hitchens: It's amazing what you

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2007-09-03 Thread Jersey Shore John
Unfortunately for 'the troop', Jesus did not reconcile the killing with religious belief. The ancient doctrine of just war should aid Christians in making such judgments. War must be a last resort; the authority waging war must be legitimate; the force employed must be proportional to the

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2007-09-03 Thread 2fine4u
If you build it, they will come! That includes me! A Feel-Good Church! I like that! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/2/2007 11:26:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: People do not gain 501 (c) 3 status, charitable

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2007-09-03 Thread Gary Wien
Maybe it's just me, but I'd be hearing that ol' commandment Thou Shall Not Kill in my ears all of the time. That commandment never says kill if the battle is correct or anything like that, it's pretty specific. Funny how religion has pretty much abandoned that aspect in the last 100

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2007-09-02 Thread 2fine4u
Mario, When all else fails, send in the Jesuits! At the age of 12, I was baptized in the Spirit, or as Black Catholics say, your BIG Communion, where you are slightly slapped on the cheek, dying a symbolic death for Christ, then you kiss the Bishop's ring! Bring back any memories? Jesus, was

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2007-09-02 Thread MarioAPNJ
In a message dated 9/2/2007 3:17:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mario, When all else fails, send in the Jesuits! If there were no Al-Quaida, we'd invent one! As the crooks and liars, exit daily, from the Bush White House, amid scandal, ask yourself, why?

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2007-09-02 Thread Kevin Brown
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/31/2007 9:05:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:GOD IS A CONSERVATIVE, MY PROOF, LIGHTNING HASN'T STRUCK YOU YET! Help me out: The above may be so, but using ALL CAPS is not

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2007-09-02 Thread MarioAPNJ
In a message dated 9/2/2007 6:10:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: and your point. Was there anything there you are disputing or challenging? Just asking because there's no there there after CUNY, except various Have you posted as much information about