Title: Re: [Assam] Reforms - The
CONCLUSION
>Well tried. But that door is
closed.
*** Heh, heh! We noticed.
But there is a downside to it. When one cannot explain one's own
assertions, one's credibility goes up in the air.
Sorry for rubbing it in. But in politics, ther
; Rajen Barua
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Reforms - The CONCLUSION
>We are asking the simple question, HOW, have you ever tried and failed?.
*** Another brilliant question - a real checkmate huh?
But WHEN was ULFA in power to TRY it?
Since the ruling entitie
Title: Re: [Assam] Reforms - The CONCLUSION
>But WHEN was ULFA in power to TRY it?
Well tried. But that door is
closed.
Try again.
RB
- Original Message -
From:
Chan
Mahanta
To: assam@assamnet.org
Cc: Malabika Brahma ; Roy, Santanu ; Ram Sarangapani ;
Rajen Ba
Title: Re: [Assam] Reforms - The
CONCLUSION
>We are asking
the simple question, HOW, have you ever tried and
failed?.
*** Another brilliant question - a real checkmate
huh?
But WHEN was ULFA in power to TRY it?
Since the ruling entities NEVER attempted to REFORM anything, we
can o
Title: Re: [Assam] Reforms - The CONCLUSION - teaching
democracy
At 2:26 AM + 1/19/06, umesh sharma wrote:
Cda,
once again how do you wish to educate
Assamese about democracy if you feel only those in US or UK can lern
about democracy. do u want them all to come and stay in these nations
Cda, once again how do you wish to educate Assamese about democracy if you feel only those in US or UK can lern about democracy. do u want them all to come and stay in these nations for decdes to learn democratic acts. UmeshChan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:The following from S
Title: Re: [Assam] Reforms - The
CONCLUSION
At 1:31 PM -0600 1/18/06, Rajen Barua wrote:
>So, rather than me trying to explain
the un-explainable, why don't YOU tell us HOW those of you seeking
reforms, seeking positive changes,will go about >effecting
them?
Do we really need to r
Title: Re: [Assam] Reforms - The CONCLUSION
> I have explained
time and again, WHY that is not possible.
You explained it again and again
the WHY which is 'existing rules of GOI" but you did not
explain HOW?
We are asking the simple question,
HOW, have you ever tri
Title: Re: [Assam] Reforms - The
CONCLUSION
At 1:31 PM -0600 1/18/06, Rajen Barua wrote:
>So, rather than me trying to explain
the un-explainable, why don't YOU tell us HOW those of you seeking
reforms, seeking positive changes,will go about >effecting
them?
Do we really need to r
ecided to remain silent and act as devil's advocate instead.
RB
- Original Message -
From: Chan Mahanta
To: Ram Sarangapani
Cc: Rajen Barua ;
Malabika Brahma ; assam@assamnet.org ;
Roy, Santanu
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Reforms - The CO
Title: Re: [Assam] Reforms - The CONCLUSION
>So, rather than me trying to explain the un-explainable, why don't YOU
tell us HOW those of you seeking reforms, seeking positive changes,will go about
>effecting them?
Do we really need to recreate the
wheel? To save time for sake
ople of Assam can trust more than national parties.
RB
- Original Message -
From: Chan Mahanta
To: Malabika Brahma ;
Chan Mahanta ; assam@assamnet.org ;
Roy, Santanu
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Reforms - The CONCLUSION
Utpal:
>That can be achieved
rder than armed insurrection.Santanu. -----Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Malabika BrahmaSent: Sat 1/14/2006 10:57 AM To: assam@assamnet.orgSubject: Re: [Assam] Reforms - The CONCLUSION Ram da asked some very practical questions. We all know that the
GOI is controlled by p
civil movement at the grassroot level - a cohesive nationality formation process. That is much harder than armed insurrection. Santanu. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Malabika BrahmaSent: Sat 1/14/2006 10:57 AMTo: assam@assamnet.orgSubject: Re: [Assam] Reforms
Title: Re: [Assam] Reforms - The
CONCLUSION
>So, now we shouldn't have a desire for reforms? I
am perplexed as usual. :)
*** I know Ram. I know! It is obviously confounding.
So, rather than me trying to explain the un-explainable, why
don't YOU tell us HOW those of you se
Chan Mahanta
To: Malabika Brahma ;
Chan Mahanta ; assam@assamnet.org ;
Roy, Santanu
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Reforms - The CONCLUSION
Utpal:
>That can be achieved only through an overground political movement . But such changes are not possible without mak
Title: Re: [Assam] Reforms - The
CONCLUSION
>The trick is
to have a regional party in Assam (without any bosses in Delhi) whom
people of Assam can trust more >than national parties.
Thanks. Brilliant idea! Come to think of it, it was staring
at my face but never saw it. But that
Title: Re: [Assam] Reforms - The
CONCLUSION
>If Assam is
THE looser, then GOI is not THE looser.
*** I see!
At 11:20 AM -0600 1/18/06, Rajen Barua wrote:
That is plain English, Chandan
If Assam is THE looser, then GOI is not THE
looser.
RB
- Original Message -
From: C
Title: Re: [Assam] Reforms - The CONCLUSION
That is plain English,
Chandan
If Assam is THE looser, then GOI is
not THE looser.
RB
- Original Message -
From:
Chan
Mahanta
To: Rajen Barua ; assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:42
AM
Subject: Re
Title: Re: [Assam] Reforms - The CONCLUSION
>It is further complicated by the fact that the election system is
rigged in such a way, that the "National" party bosses rule how their stooges at
the state level shall >behave. The Assam legislators' election and existence
Title: Re: [Assam] Reforms - The
CONCLUSION
Utpal:
>That can be achieved only through an overground political
movement . But such changes are not possible without making
constitutional amendments
*** That is where the problem lies.
The Catch 22 is in Assam and the NE's clout,
Title: Re: [Assam] Reforms - The
CONCLUSION
>>You got it
right, GOI will not be the looser.
*** I said that?
I must be losing my mind!
Or then again, maybe it is not ME.
At 10:39 AM -0600 1/18/06, Rajen Barua wrote:
Because you said it.
>That would be an unfortunate
outcome,
Title: Re: [Assam] Reforms - The CONCLUSION
Because you said it.
>That would be an unfortunate outcome, in which Assam will be
the loser.
RB
- Original Message -
From:
Chan
Mahanta
To: Rajen Barua ; assam@assamnet.org ; Roy, Santanu
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2
Title: Re: [Assam] Reforms - The
CONCLUSION
>You got it
right, GOI will not be the looser.
*** Will you explain WHY?
At 9:28 AM -0600 1/18/06, Rajen Barua wrote:
>That would be an unfortunate
outcome, in which Assam will be the loser.
You got it right, GOI will not be the
Title: Re: [Assam] Reforms - The CONCLUSION
>That would be an unfortunate outcome, in which Assam will be
the loser.
You got it right, GOI will not be
the looser.
But how can one who is already
a looser (Assam) be a looser again? You mean 'more looser'?
RB
- Ori
Title: Re: [Assam] Reforms - The CONCLUSION - teaching
democracy
The following from Saturday that did not get into the list:
>i took some courses about teaching democratic
citizenship and peace in developing countires to >school
children - thru books , other media and learning-by-doi
Title: Re: [Assam] Reforms - The
CONCLUSION
Hi Santanu:
Of all the analyses, yours make the most sense, and I agree with
most of it. I also was not sure how Utpal's points correlate with the
ones you make. But be that as it may, allow me to chime in
here:
As I see it, the GOI thin
Umesh
This is the fundamental issue.
They won't dare to change "Our Sacred Constitution Written by our FOUNDING FATHERS(copied directly-forgot about the irrelevance)"
As a result you have physical and mental blocks.
Bring us all -including the '"Wannabe Supre-power-buffs"- into a whole set of phys
C-DA,though your point seems simplistic and biased in favor of westerners being a superior people it does throw up some important questions..FOR ONE : You assume that anyone who has lived in US or UK knows a lot more about democracy becos they have experienced it. it is true that you ca
Very eloquently put together.Rajib Das <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: And therein lies the problem. The "cohesivenationality formation process", IMHO, is a horse thathas been running backwards for a long time. It has tostop and start getting to run forward.In the NE, there are different strains ofnat
And therein lies the problem. The "cohesive
nationality formation process", IMHO, is a horse that
has been running backwards for a long time. It has to
stop and start getting to run forward.
In the NE, there are different strains of
nationalities getting formed. One is the elusive
"cohesive nation
rcise, Rajen Barua decided to play Dalai Lama and Ram went on and on, beating around the bush.> > > But the challenge remains. Put up, or you-know-what! > > > And I aim that challenge specifically to those who have lived in the USA or Britain for decades, and hopefully have, some clues, as to how democratic proc
assam@assamnet.org
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 10:18:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Reforms - The CONCLUSION
Utpal:
I agree with your vision.
The way I see it - in the short run, there is almost nothing substantive that
one can get the GOI to accede to in terms of effective decentralization of
That is much harder than armed insurrection.
Santanu.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Malabika Brahma
Sent: Sat 1/14/2006 10:57 AM
To: assam@assamnet.org
Subject: Re: [Assam] Reforms - The CONCLUSION
Ram da asked some very practical questions. We all know tha
Or perhaps one can begin with consensus building at
the local level. That seems to be highly elusive :-)
> The only way independence can be achieved are:
>
> 1. By making constitutional amendment to include
> "instrument of secession" in Indian constitution and
> influencing upon the GOI
decades, and hopefully have, some clues, as to how democratic processes work. Those who have seen and experienced nothing but the dysfunctional desi-system, are exempt. Umesh is included. He gets an extra reprieve because he has been so disoriented.
> > > > > > > cm>
1) Many Assamese itself DO NOT support independence or be outside of India. They think they are Indians.
2) ULFA or others have been trying for this for 25 + years
3) India will never give up an inch of its territory (inspite of various arguments and philosophies why "Indian domination" is ba
Ram-da, You answered a part of the answer. GOI , GOA also figure in it. They cannot be absolved of the blam --but are they also involved in killing local entrepreneurs and social workers. Umesh Ram-da wrote: "Sometimes I think this continuing insurgency is a big money-churner for
Umesh,
Thats the wrong question for C'da. Look what he wrote:
"Question is who will take charge of such reforms, NOW? The answer is that
there are plenty of people, right in Assam--and outside too, to take it on. Ready, willing and able.
But they cannot do that under prevailing Indian rule. T
C-da, You make a valid point about urgency of reform needed in Assam and also that there are people who can and are willing to take up. Who stops them? Is someone at Delhi bent on killing them or maiming them? Umesh C-da wrote: "If Rajen or your assertions are accurate that Assam
<< Take charge of its own future! >>>
That's what some people call Sovereignty
can we recall something I posted before;
*
Welcome Aurobindo Beta , Why cant we settle our misunderstandings peacefully?What do you really want. What will make you Happ
C'da,
>One last time on these issues:
I guess, we will to to agree to disagree on most of these issues.
>Therefore it follows that Assam cannot depend on its intelligentsia establishment
Which I can agree. But what I meant by an 'informed public' are really the people who are affected. The p
Title: Reforms - The CONCLUSION
Ram:
One last time on these issues:
>But you must agree that ANY reform in India or Assam MUST
come from an informed >public.
*** Yes I do. And that is exactly why I asked for YOUR
recommendations, Rajen's recommendations. But what did you show?
Therefore it
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