Re: self and alternate links for entries

2007-01-30 Thread Thomas Broyer
ill tell them that IRI. For entry-level such links, I would expect the same: where could I download this "file" when nobody gave me its IRI? -- Thomas Broyer

Re: within HTML content

2007-01-01 Thread Thomas Broyer
in)? Yes, you could, in the sense that the Atom document wouldn't be "invalid", but you shouldn't expect it to be processed as a "full HTML document". The "SHOULD" implies that Atom processors are OK if they process HTML "content" as "innerHTML" on a element. -- Thomas Broyer

Re: Atom Entry docs

2006-12-14 Thread Thomas Broyer
d the media-type-parameter option. If a few people were to put up their hands and say "yeah what Bob said" your co-chairs would probably do a hasty consensus grab. Just in case: "yeah what Bob said" ;-) -- Thomas Broyer

Re: Atom Entry docs

2006-12-14 Thread Thomas Broyer
2006/12/14, Bob Wyman: There is, I think, a compromise position here which will avoid breaking those existing implementations which follow the existing RFC's. It was exactly the point behind my proposal for this 'type' parameter. -- Thomas Broyer

Re: PaceEntryMediatype

2006-12-07 Thread Thomas Broyer
;; type="application/atom+xml" title="Mozillazine News"> My last point: if the rel="feed" as described above seems useless, then I'm not opposed to having a rel="feed" "marker" as defined in the current HTML5 draft, with an addition: that this "feed" marker be "combinable" with any link rel: rel="feed alternate", rel="feed up", rel="feed index", etc. (and at the condition that it is explicitely defined as a "marker" and not as a relationship; rel="prefetch" and rel="nofollow" would also need this distinction). -- Thomas Broyer

Re: PaceEntryMediatype

2006-12-03 Thread Thomas Broyer
t; would be much more explicit. Why should it be automated? When you go read a web site every morning because you know it's "live", it's not automated. What you could automate is how to go read that site (e.g. use it as your browser's "start page", or include it in a bunch of bookmarks you "open in tabs" every morning). There's not always a need to automate everything. Things like "whether it'd be interesting to subscribe to something" are better handled by humans than computers. -- Thomas Broyer

Re: PaceEntryMediatype

2006-11-30 Thread Thomas Broyer
ementations. I'd prefer basing autodiscovery on the media types and not at all on the relationships. A "feed" relationship would only help finding the "living resource" (similar to rel="current" in the Atom Relationship Registry) if you're not already "on" it (in which case, rel="alternate" would be used). UAs would then obviously continue to support autodiscovery using "alternate" all-over-the-place, this would just be a lucky side-effect; and everyone would be happy. -- Thomas Broyer

Re: PaceEntryMediatype

2006-11-29 Thread Thomas Broyer
r Tim's concerns, I'd also prefer having it done outside the APP. Also, the APP draft would need to be updated to remove the "entry" special value for app:accept, as it would be equivalent to the new or revised media type (app:accept=application/atom+xml;type=entry or app:accept=applicationAtom.entry+xml) -- Thomas Broyer

Re: WHAT-WG, feed and alternate (was: Re: PaceAutoDiscoveryDraftIsPointless)

2006-11-29 Thread Thomas Broyer
fully backwards compatible with the current one (which shipped a year ago). 3. We define a new media type for Atom Entry Documents, e.g. application/atomentry+xml -1 -- Thomas Broyer

Re: PaceAutoDiscoveryDraftIsPointless (was: PaceMakeAutodiscoveryInformational)

2006-11-28 Thread Thomas Broyer
ady done, be sure I'll try to "kiil it before it's done". -- Thomas Broyer

Re: PaceMakeAutodiscoveryInformational

2006-11-28 Thread Thomas Broyer
2006/11/28, Robert Sayre: The WHAT-WG text is fine. -1 For various reasons, including: http://www.imc.org/atom-syntax/mail-archive/msg19100.html http://www.imc.org/atom-syntax/mail-archive/msg19107.html -- Thomas Broyer

Re: PaceResurrectAutodiscovery

2006-11-24 Thread Thomas Broyer
2006/11/24, Henri Sivonen: On Nov 24, 2006, at 10:28, Thomas Broyer wrote: > My main problem with autodiscovery is this use case: the following > links on an "entry page" in a blog-like scenario, where comments on > the entry are shown at the bottom of the page: > ti

Re: PaceResurrectAutodiscovery

2006-11-24 Thread Thomas Broyer
2006/11/23, Henry Story: On 23 Nov 2006, at 14:28, Thomas Broyer wrote: > >> "The feed keyword indicates that the referenced document is a >> syndication feed. > > "Being a syndication feed" is expressed by the media type, there's no > need for a

Re: PaceResurrectAutodiscovery

2006-11-23 Thread Thomas Broyer
e "contents" value in the example above: in "blog-like" use-cases where an HTML page serves the same purpose as a syndication feed, just in an 'alternate' format. -- Thomas Broyer

Re: The "src" attribute of atom:content

2006-11-22 Thread Thomas Broyer
content. Right, but I hope and expect those aggregators to either be updated or tend to disappear (because people will switch to "better" aggregators). -- Thomas Broyer

Re: categories and tagging

2006-11-02 Thread Thomas Broyer
2006/11/2, Henry Story: On 2 Nov 2006, at 12:19, Thomas Broyer wrote: > >> [[ >> The "term" attribute is a string that identifies the category to >> which the entry or feed belongs. Category elements MUST have a "term" >> attribute. >> ]] &

Re: categories and tagging

2006-11-02 Thread Thomas Broyer
2006/11/2, Henry Story: On 2 Nov 2006, at 08:59, Thomas Broyer wrote: > [redirecting to atom-syntax] This is also a protocol issue, because we are asking what to do with the information in the atom feed. [1] Not sure how atom-protocol is concerned but let's keep it in atom-prot

Re: categories and tagging

2006-11-02 Thread Thomas Broyer
; label="cats" /> -- Thomas Broyer

Re: Adding POST capability to atom:link

2006-10-26 Thread Thomas Broyer
ot;inactivity". That's pretty easy in ASP.NET developments as the Cache object is provided out-of-the-box; there should be equivalents in the Java world too. -- Thomas Broyer

Re: Adding POST capability to atom:link

2006-10-26 Thread Thomas Broyer
2006/10/26, Gopalan Sri: http://example.com/"; type="application/atom+xml" action="POST"> I hope such a thing won't ever exist !!! -- Thomas Broyer

Re: Question on undefinedAttribute/Content

2006-10-18 Thread Thomas Broyer
atom:* element, and child elements and text inside other elements (atom:category, atom:link, etc.) Whether the application knows what to do with markup, it's still extension markup (e.g. thr:in-reply-to) or undefined markup (e.g. thr:replies-count). -- Thomas Broyer

Re: Pseudo-Last Call on draft-nottingham-atompub-feed-history-07

2006-10-09 Thread Thomas Broyer
m within 2 Feed Documents form a "stable subset". If every Feed Document is "stable", then you have an Archived Feed an dyou can link Feed Documents to each others using next-archive and prev-archive. -- Thomas Broyer

Re: versioning extension?

2006-09-12 Thread Thomas Broyer
'enterprisey' use cases :-) Have you looked at this? http://tools.ietf.org/wg/atompub/draft-snell-atompub-revision-00.txt -- Thomas Broyer

Re: Language Negotiation

2006-07-27 Thread Thomas Broyer
ot match the > "accepted languages". > http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec10.html#sec10.4.7 so, do not return the requested language alternate? Hmm, sorry, I think I didn't correctly understood you first question... ...at least I don't understand the second... -- Thomas Broyer

Re: Language Negotiation

2006-07-27 Thread Thomas Broyer
happen if you used conneg on the @rel='self' link (to the document), asking for a different language? You mean, sending an Accept-Language request-header? 406 Not Acceptable or return the entry even if it does not match the "accepted languages". http://www.w3.org/Protocol

Re: Language Negotiation

2006-07-27 Thread Thomas Broyer
a book in English and then the translation of that book in a different language you will end up with two books having each their own ISBN. Well, actually, once a book is published, if you later update it, you'll have to use a new ISBN, so that's probably not a good analogy… -- Thomas Broyer

Re: Language Negotiation

2006-07-27 Thread Thomas Broyer
ot;if an aggregator is given a copy of a feed without information about its original IRI, how can it find which URI to subscribe to?"… -- Thomas Broyer

Re: [RFC 4287] unicity of atom:category element

2006-06-27 Thread Thomas Broyer
ame scheme and term, aggregators (or other Atom processors) are very likely to consider them the exact same category. I think the producer of such a feed would be wrong using the same scheme and term for (conceptually) different categories... -- Thomas Broyer

Re: RFC3229 w/ feeds [was: Paging, Feed History, etc.]

2006-06-09 Thread Thomas Broyer
(<http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/rfc2616.html#rfc.section.13.6>). But using A-IM, you'll have Cache-Control and Vary headers in responses, which should take care of that, no? (I'm at work have no time to read the pointed section carefully, so please forgive me if I'm wrong) -- Thomas Broyer

Re: RFC3229 w/ feeds [was: Paging, Feed History, etc.]

2006-06-09 Thread Thomas Broyer
2006/6/8, Mark Nottingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: On 2006/06/07, at 11:40 PM, Thomas Broyer wrote: > > My main concern is that RFC3229 w/ feeds is being deployed more and > more widely and is still not even an I-D (or I missed something). I have that concern as well. I am also

Re: Paging, Feed History, etc.

2006-06-08 Thread Thomas Broyer
2006/6/8, James Holderness <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Thomas Broyer wrote: > That means you need to keep entry revisions as well, so that if an > entry is updated while a client is navigating the paged result set, it > is sent the "old" revision (corresponding to the "

Re: Paging, Feed History, etc.

2006-06-07 Thread Thomas Broyer
t even an I-D (or I missed something). Maybe FH could be the place to spec it, as another optimization algorithm… [1] http://bobwyman.pubsub.com/main/2004/09/using_rfc3229_w.html -- Thomas Broyer

Re: when should two entries have the same id?

2006-06-07 Thread Thomas Broyer
2006/6/7, Robert Yates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Thomas Broyer wrote: > and that this is needed because entries > might not always be atomically retrieved (otherwise, "permaLinks" > would been enough). I don't understand what you mean "atomically retrieved"

Re: when should two entries have the same id?

2006-06-07 Thread Thomas Broyer
left undefined in the spec, and I personnaly have no opinion at all (as I have been given such feeds, and a) I'm not subscribed to any aggregate feed and b) I don't aggregate feeds I'm subscribed to, each one lives in its own "folder" in Thunderbird)… -- Thomas Broyer

Re: Paging, Feed History, etc.

2006-06-07 Thread Thomas Broyer
it would retrieve the feed twice (at least), using If-Modified-Since and/or If-Not-Match for the second request, and showing a warning if the feed hasn't changed and the second GET didn't result in a 304 (Not Modified). Please note that I haven't went back read the FH draft since weeks, so some of my comments might not be accurate (I've a pretty good memory but data-losses might still happen ;-) ) -- Thomas Broyer

Re: Paging, Feed History, etc.

2006-06-07 Thread Thomas Broyer
y around [1], but for different reasons. If it's clear that previous/next deals with "pages" or "chunks" of the same feed, then I'm OK with them, and other use cases will need new rel values. [1] http://www.imc.org/atom-syntax/mail-archive/msg17372.html Given the above, I'd like to see if anyone would still object to having separate relation sets for incremental feeds ("prev-archive" and friends) and paging feeds ("previous", "next" and friends). Given the above, yes. Consider it a "-0" though, not a "-1", as I might need some more thinking (or people trying to convince me). -- Thomas Broyer

Re: [RFC 4287] uri of atom:category element

2006-05-22 Thread Thomas Broyer
d like XML.com to provide an "articles only" feed instead of their "articles and blogs" feed, but that's not a matter of categories –"columns" are a category for articles, and blog posts have their own categories–). In conclusion: YAGNI. [1] http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-snell-atompub-feed-thread-10.txt -- Thomas Broyer

Re: Protocol Action: 'The Base16, Base32, and Base64 Data Encodings' to Proposed Standard

2006-05-19 Thread Thomas Broyer
ttribute telling which encoding has been used, which would lead to complains that this attribute's value set isn't extensible… So no, Atom shouldn't have to support other baseNN encodings than base64, and doing so wouldn't prove good for interop, so this revised RFC doesn't break Atom. -- Thomas Broyer

Re: Atom Rank Extensions: Feedback on r:value and r:range elements wanted (long)

2006-05-05 Thread Thomas Broyer
if "steps" is negative and "minimum" is not "unbounded", replace "minimum" with the smallest allowable value and use a positive "steps" value - if "steps" is negative and "minimum" is "unbounded", replace "maximum" with the value of "origin" and use a positive "steps" value (which will count downwards to negative infinity) - if "steps" is positive, replace "minimum" with the value of "origin" The following examples illustrate how different sets of rank values can be defined by means of a single r:value element: Could be expressed as: or or with the following r:values: -- Thomas Broyer

Re: Feed thread update

2006-05-04 Thread Thomas Broyer
, I think using attributes directly on atom:link is the thing to do, waiting for an amendment to RFC4287 to invite processors/parsers not to discard that extra metadata. The other choice is to totally remove those attributes, which is what you finally chose, I can't blame you. -- Thomas Broyer

Feed Thread Draft Updated

2006-04-13 Thread Thomas Broyer
tiple "replies" link is, e.g., having a "comments" and a "trackbacks/pingbacks" feeds (could be distinguished by [EMAIL PROTECTED]). In this case, having a @count per link is IMO somewhat important. So -1. -- Thomas Broyer

Re: Changing feed thread (was: Re: Atom Thread Feed syntax)

2006-03-26 Thread Thomas Broyer
nt.fm/blog/archives/000721.html] I know what your answer is [http://www.snellspace.com/wp/?p=297] but I also think that these are entry properties, not really link properties (so I disagree with you on "First, The thr:count and thr:when properties are specific to the replies link upon which they appear." [http://www.snellspace.com/wp/?p=296]). -- Thomas Broyer

Re: Atom Thread Feed syntax

2006-03-16 Thread Thomas Broyer
ention in my opinion. When reading an XML > document I don't want to be obliged to think about the actual meaning of > an id attribute. You are indeed right (and thank you for explaining it > to me) in terms of specification but conventions are often as important. > Specially for people like me who are not XML guru. Well, I wouldn't describe myself as an XML guru either ;-) -- Thomas Broyer

Re: Atom Thread Feed syntax

2006-03-16 Thread Thomas Broyer
rent from "id" - there wouldn't have been a need for xml:id [http://www.w3.org/TR/xml-id/] > I would rather move the content of that attribute as a text element of the > 'in-reply-to' element (as does the atom:id element). Eventually, I'd rather rename it to resource-id… -- Thomas Broyer

Re: Atom syndication schema

2006-03-15 Thread Thomas Broyer
explicit type "anyURI" that includes IRIs and IRI references. Therefore, IRIs and IRI references can be in attributes and elements of type "anyURI". So, actually, it seems that the Atom RNC could say "atomUri = xs:anyURI". ...or RFC 3987 is wrong... (I didn't check XMLSchema to try to figure it out myself) -- Thomas Broyer

Re: More on atom:id handling

2006-02-01 Thread Thomas Broyer
[on atom-syntax only, no need to CC atom-protocol] 2006/2/1, David Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Wednesday, February 1, 2006, 3:20:23 PM, Thomas Broyer wrote: > > > > IIRC, it was to allow a feed listing "revisions" of the same entry: > > same id, differ

Re: More on atom:id handling

2006-02-01 Thread Thomas Broyer
recise, it is "Entries in an Atom Feed Document" not "Entries > in an Atom feed". > > I really really dislike that rule, and don't understand how it was > ever accepted, and personally I would be tempted to ignore it. IIRC, it was to allow a feed listing "revisions" of the same entry: same id, different "updated" values. -- Thomas Broyer

Re: Browser behaviour

2006-01-30 Thread Thomas Broyer
#x27;t think that means what you think it means". At least, if you > mean for search engines not to follow the link. If you just want the > PageRank of the destination feed (?) to be unaffected by the PageRank of > the source URL, then yeah, I guess... Right! How about robots.txt? http://www.robotstxt.org/wc/exclusion.html#robotstxt -- Thomas Broyer

Re: Browser behaviour

2006-01-30 Thread Thomas Broyer
py link address"/paste) And, follow those guidelines: http://www.scottfrancis.com/blog/2006/01/21/ui-updates/ * oops, sorry, there's no "type" parameter to the application/atom+xml type… so let's say -- Thomas Broyer

Re: Atom Tombstones Draft

2006-01-27 Thread Thomas Broyer
7;t it? (however, it's arguable: should a deletion be silent? how about adding a del:when in the del:deleted? the atom:updated would then continue to serve its role: whether to bring the entry to the user's attention) Just thinking out loud… -- Thomas Broyer

Re: Atom Tombstones Draft

2006-01-27 Thread Thomas Broyer
ves. […] > Anyway, that's my preference. Not necessarily a SHOULD recommendation - just > my personal opinion. +1 Maybe at:by and at:comment could be used in pub:control in the APP as well -- Thomas Broyer

Re: new draft? (was: invention)

2006-01-21 Thread Thomas Broyer
2006/1/21, Anne van Kesteren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Quoting Thomas Broyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Why not use the "media" attribute? > > Because that would be "tag abuse". No more than using the @rel value (is a feed an alternate for a single-entr

Re: new draft? (was: invention)

2006-01-21 Thread Thomas Broyer
rameterized" value (e.g. "subscribe audio", "subscribe video", "subscribe text", "subscribe audio video", etc.) -- Thomas Broyer

Re: Is there a bug in undefinedAttribute?

2005-12-02 Thread Thomas Broyer
gory | ...) { text } ... > So if my reading is correct, the (normative) spec disagrees with > the (informal) schema. I'd say that is what's confusing. Your reading was incorrect (w.r.t. my reading ;-) ) but the (normative) spec effectively disagrees with the (informal) schema. -- Thomas Broyer

Re: How to specify multiple alternative encodings of the same content?

2005-11-07 Thread Thomas Broyer
ake all three. How about: Not really equivalent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]"enclosure"] though… -- Thomas Broyer

Re: New Link Relations -- Ready to go?

2005-10-24 Thread Thomas Broyer
James Holderness wrote: > > Thomas Broyer wrote: >> As I already explained, paging is orthogonal to the incremental nature >> of a feed. An incremental feed will be chunked as explained in Mark's >> current Feed History draft (just use an atom:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: New Link Relations -- Ready to go?

2005-10-24 Thread Thomas Broyer
50 web site I saw didn't provide archives of previous rankings). When there'll be such a need, then we'll define a new link relation (I already proposed "archives"/"history" to link to a "table of contents" feed allowing navigation to e.g. snapshots of non-i

Re: New Link Relations -- Ready to go?

2005-10-21 Thread Thomas Broyer
Thomas Broyer wrote: However, an incremental feed could take advantage of differentiating between paging and "archive linking": if linking to archives uses an atom:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"archives"] (or call it "history" if you prefer) to point at an incremental feed

Re: New Link Relations -- Ready to go?

2005-10-21 Thread Thomas Broyer
James Holderness wrote: Thomas Broyer wrote: You didn't answer my last question: How do you expect a newsreader to *automatically* download this week's 50 entries without downloading last week's entries instead? (and show you links/buttons for you to ask download and displ

Re: New Link Relations -- Ready to go?

2005-10-21 Thread Thomas Broyer
James M Snell wrote: Thomas Broyer wrote: You didn't answer my last question: How do you expect a newsreader to *automatically* download this week's 50 entries without downloading last week's entries instead? (and show you links/buttons for you to ask download and display of

Re: New Link Relations -- Ready to go?

2005-10-21 Thread Thomas Broyer
James M Snell wrote : Thomas Broyer wrote: So you are OK with these feeds: Yes, they all look good to me. You didn't answer my last question: How do you expect a newsreader to *automatically* download this week's 50 entries without downloading last week's entries instead

Re: New Link Relations -- Ready to go?

2005-10-21 Thread Thomas Broyer
James M Snell wrote : Thomas Broyer wrote: How would you use these link relations for feed state reconstruction (that is, automatic handling by the Atom processor, without user action –except probably the "please reconstruct this feed's state" action) if you can't kn

Re: New Link Relations -- Ready to go?

2005-10-21 Thread Thomas Broyer
James M Snell a écrit : Thomas Broyer wrote: Mark Nottingham wrote: - Attribute Value: previous - Description: A URI that refers to the immediately preceding document in a series of documents. This definition doesn't prevent someone from using this link relation for linking wit

Re: New Link Relations -- Ready to go?

2005-10-21 Thread Thomas Broyer
senting, say a "webring", where "previous" and "next" will be other sites' feeds. I really think we should make it clear that first/previous/next/last are meant for "paging" of a single feed only. I'll try to propose a replacement text. > - Attribute Value: subscribe +1 -- Thomas Broyer

Re: General/Specific [was: Feed History / Protocol overlap]

2005-10-19 Thread Thomas Broyer
Thomas Broyer wrote: Mark Nottingham wrote: Perhaps people could +1/-1 the following options: * Reconstructing a feed should use: a) a specific relation, e.g., "prev-archive" -1, (see James' comments) b) a generic relation, e.g., "previous" +1 Hmm, I migh

Re: General/Specific [was: Feed History / Protocol overlap]

2005-10-19 Thread Thomas Broyer
Mark Nottingham wrote: Perhaps people could +1/-1 the following options: * Reconstructing a feed should use: a) a specific relation, e.g., "prev-archive" -1, (see James' comments) b) a generic relation, e.g., "previous" +1 -- Thomas Broyer

Re: Feed History / Protocol overlap

2005-10-18 Thread Thomas Broyer
ugust, etc), then use something like @rel="archives" or @rel="history", or define a @rel="previous-archive" if you really want to navigate directly to the other feed without having to go through a "table of contents" feed. If some people here prefers "next-chunk" or "next-page" to just "next", why not, my mind is open… -- Thomas Broyer

Re: Are Generic Link Relations Always a Good Idea? [was: Feed History -04]

2005-10-18 Thread Thomas Broyer
Eric Scheid wrote: On 18/10/05 6:14 PM, "Thomas Broyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes, and navigating through the historical states of the feed resource is not paging, it's more like having access to archives. I was thinking about proposing yet another link relati

Re: Feed History / Protocol overlap

2005-10-18 Thread Thomas Broyer
ev/end link relations (hasn't James already asked them?) and if they haven't, then we (the WG) should first agree on the terms to be used (start/end vs. first/last), request registration and tell the OpenSearch people that these relations are pending registration. Any thoughts? -- Thomas Broyer

Re: Are Generic Link Relations Always a Good Idea? [was: Feed History -04]

2005-10-18 Thread Thomas Broyer
no ... Archive feed: yes ... September 2005 Top 100 ... August 2005 Top 100 ... ... September 2005 Top 100 feed: September 2005 Top 100 no ... -- Thomas Broyer

Re: New Link Relations? [was: Feed History -04]

2005-10-18 Thread Thomas Broyer
James M Snell wrote: > > Thomas Broyer wrote: >> Depends whether @rel="self" was really meant for subscribing and the >> spec wording is not precise enough about it; this could then be fixed >> with an errata rather than create a new link relation… >&

Re: Are Generic Link Relations Always a Good Idea? [was: Feed History -04]

2005-10-18 Thread Thomas Broyer
sorted (thus paged) differently, then that's another feed. -- Thomas Broyer

Re: Are Generic Link Relations Always a Good Idea? [was: Feed History -04]

2005-10-17 Thread Thomas Broyer
registration, I don't really matter), and orthogonally define an fh:incremental extension (fh:incremental will just change newsreaders behavior, not the paging concept). It seems James is having the same feeling… -- Thomas Broyer

Re: New Link Relations? [was: Feed History -04]

2005-10-17 Thread Thomas Broyer
equested. Depends whether @rel="self" was really meant for subscribing and the spec wording is not precise enough about it; this could then be fixed with an errata rather than create a new link relation… Otherwise, +0.5, because it seems to overlap @rel="first" (or "last"?) – or I missed something… -- Thomas Broyer

Re: Feed History -04

2005-10-17 Thread Thomas Broyer
ents themselves) have to be in a specific order in order to reconstruct the history. It should (not SHOULD!) however be based on atom:updated or something similar (e.g. my-ext:last-modified) -- Thomas Broyer

Re: Feed History -04

2005-10-17 Thread Thomas Broyer
g (can a non-incremental feed be paged? does it mean something different than paging of an incremental feed?) - eventually a spec defining links to archives (which in turn may use paging: think about archives of search results, what did the same query return yesterday, last week, last month, etc.) -- Thomas Broyer

Re: Feed History -04

2005-10-17 Thread Thomas Broyer
cerns were that readers/aggregators generally keep a local history of the feeds they're subscribed to. fh:incremental=no would explicitly tell them not to do so. -- Thomas Broyer

Re: Feed History -04

2005-10-14 Thread Thomas Broyer
ontaining element" the same as "an alternate version of the resource described by the containing element"? 2. Is the answer to 1. is no then what does "a resource equivalent …" mean? Is it really different than "the URI you should subscribe to" (at least if @type="application/atom+xml")? -- Thomas Broyer

Re: Feed History -04

2005-10-14 Thread Thomas Broyer
eeds sorted by date/time or some other "priority" (e.g. OpenSearch results)? -- Thomas Broyer

Re: draft-snell-atompub-feed-thread-01.txt

2005-10-13 Thread Thomas Broyer
quot; (comment added on an entry, similar to "comment submission HTML forms"). Local comments must use atom:content and shouldn't use atom:summary. » (see http://www.imc.org/atom-protocol/mail-archive/msg01384.html for the complete discussion) -- Thomas Broyer

Re: Next and Previous

2005-10-05 Thread Thomas Broyer
James Holderness wrote: > Thomas Broyer wrote: >> Compare their atom:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"self" and >> @type="application/atom+xml"]/@href, they'll point you to the "start" of >> the "list", the one whose author and copyright appl

Re: Next and Previous

2005-10-05 Thread Thomas Broyer
CTED]"self"]/@href as the one found in history documents, aggregators should subscribe to that URI and not the "borrower"'s one, so the "borrower" can't claim anything. I think atom:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"self"] is sufficient, there's no need for a "next". -- Thomas Broyer

Re: ACE - Atom Common Extensions Namespace

2005-10-03 Thread Thomas Broyer
local name to effect versioning -- will be lost, all for the sake of saving a few characters. Not worth it, IMO. -1 to ACE, for the very same reasons. -- Thomas Broyer

Re: ACE - Atom Common Extensions Namespace

2005-10-03 Thread Thomas Broyer
ot;last version" links to CSS2 and DOM Level 2 recommendations: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2 http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-2-Core http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-2-HTML http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-2-Style http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-2-Views … I really don't understand why you're disc

Re: FYI: Updated Index draft

2005-09-20 Thread Thomas Broyer
lns() XPointer scheme). That way, you could use any element/subelement and/or attribute as the value holder for the sort. This would require however an XPath/XPointer engine, as well as storing the XML DOM, or mapping XPath/XPointer to your internal feed representation; this is not feasible. [1] http://msdn.microsoft.com/windowsvista/building/rss/simplefeedextensions/ -- Thomas Broyer

Re: "Top 10" and other lists should be entries, not feeds.

2005-08-30 Thread Thomas Broyer
w.w3.org/2005/Atom";> ... tag:first-in-list Another entry ... tag:second-in-list Yet another entry ... Note how tag:first-in-list entry now represents "Another entry" while it were previously "Some entry", and tag:second-in-list now is "Yet another entry" while it were "Another entry". -- Thomas Broyer

Re: Feed History -03

2005-08-17 Thread Thomas Broyer
ready rose this up in late May [1]. That was before format-09... [1] http://www.imc.org/atom-syntax/mail-archive/msg15863.html -- Thomas Broyer

Re: Updated Comments Draft (getting closer)

2005-08-12 Thread Thomas Broyer
source, create a new link/@rel value or use a [EMAIL PROTECTED]"related"] or [EMAIL PROTECTED]"via"] or something like that. So a strong +1 to making the id REQUIRED. -- Thomas Broyer

Re: Atom error pages

2005-07-25 Thread Thomas Broyer
one category per entry; or using an extension "control information" not supported by the server: it should be able to tell the client which one has been refused; etc.) -- Thomas Broyer

Re: Latest on the comments extension

2005-07-22 Thread Thomas Broyer
s overrides the set of feed level links. If I understand correctly, ".../root" tells you where to find the entry identified with ".../in-reply-to". How are you dealing with multiple in-reply-to? If I misunderstood, what is ".../root" for? -- Thomas Broyer

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-nottingham-atompub-feed-history-01.txt

2005-07-21 Thread Thomas Broyer
Antone Roundy wrote: > > On Wednesday, July 20, 2005, at 11:44 AM, Thomas Broyer wrote: >> I was actually wondering why non-stateful feeds couldn't have >> archives: in the "This month's Top 10 records" feed, why couldn't I >> link to "Last

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-nottingham-atompub-feed-history-01.txt

2005-07-20 Thread Thomas Broyer
This mail has been around in my drafts folder for about 10 days, but here it is... I'm not sure what my position is wrt what I wrote below... Mark Nottingham wrote: On 04/07/2005, at 6:18 PM, Thomas Broyer wrote: With the -01 draft (it might have been the same within the -00 one

Re: More while we're waiting discussion

2005-07-12 Thread Thomas Broyer
isting @rel="related"? The question hinges on whether or not it is semantically important to distinguish "comments" from other types of related entities. I'm not convinced it is. If a @link="related" points to an Atom feed, who cares what that feed contains, the user agent can make the feed available for the user to subscribe to pulling in the relevant entries. I don't know yet... -- Thomas Broyer

Re: FWD: I-D ACTION:draft-nottingham-atompub-feed-history-01.txt

2005-07-04 Thread Thomas Broyer
qual to http://example.org/2003/10/index.atom (october, not november). However, I didn't miss any entry. Using the fh:[EMAIL PROTECTED] value, I can know that I didn't miss any entry and that I then don't need to dereference http://example.org/2003/11/index.atom (november, the "new" fh:prev URI) -- Thomas Broyer

Re: I-D ACTION:draft-nottingham-atompub-feed-history-00.txt

2005-06-30 Thread Thomas Broyer
://example.com/2005/05/"; /> http://example.com/2005/06/ ... or http://example.com/2005/05/"; fs:updated="2005-05-31T23:59:59" /> ... One advantage of the latter is that you don't rely on URIs as identifiers for the feed archive documents and they can be moved/split/merged without readers and aggregators being then implicitly told to retrieve back the whole archives (if you change URIs, they'll think they missed entries...). -- Thomas Broyer

Re: FWD: I-D ACTION:draft-nottingham-atompub-feed-history-00.txt

2005-06-29 Thread Thomas Broyer
s last monday and not at all on sunday) ? If I can just link to the "latest archive feed document", shouldn't we then just have an "archive" [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the "live feeds" (similar to the "List-Archive" header in mail messages) and use "prev" only between "archive feed documents" (similar to the "Next Page" link in the HTML list archive). -- Thomas Broyer

Re: Question on Use Case: Choosing atom:content's type when ArchivingMailing Lists

2005-06-17 Thread Thomas Broyer
e would "default" to "text", but "text" is forbidden if "src" is provided... I suggest that if src is provided but not type, there is no "type value", as this value is just advisory and not authoritative. However, if src is not provided (the content is local), processors must "behave as though it were present with a value of text". -- Thomas Broyer

Re: OpenSearch RSS

2005-05-30 Thread Thomas Broyer
RSS". The Atom result document could also link to the next and previous "pages" with additional atom:link elements in the atom:feed, with "extended" @rel values. [1] http://opensearch.a9.com/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/ [2] http://www.ltgt.net/atom/opensearch.atom [3] http://opensearch.a9.com/spec/opensearchdescription/1.0/ -- Thomas Broyer

Re: Problem with Metadata Elements (section 6.4)

2005-05-30 Thread Thomas Broyer
David Powell wrote: > > Quoting Thomas Broyer: > >> The problem come when I use a "plain flowed text" and can then omit >> the "type" attribute: >> By Thomas Broyer and al. >> My extension becomes a Simple Extension Element when processed

Problem with Metadata Elements (section 6.4)

2005-05-30 Thread Thomas Broyer
uctured Extension Element (as it comes in atom:feed, atom:entry or atom:source): By Thomas Broyer and al. By <a href="http://www.ltgt.net/";>Thomas Broyer</a> and al. By http://www.ltgt.net/";>Thomas Broyer and al. The problem come when I use a "plain flowe

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