Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Power Supply Upgrade for SB3?

2007-09-13 Thread zanash
I've used a couple of switch mode psu unitsin my system in the past and I've never really felt comfortable with the results ...they seem to leave an edge to the music ..difficult to describe. I've gone back to linear types and found these more forgiving [?] or more musical the latest

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A photo of your Squeezebox setup (please)

2007-09-13 Thread auronthas
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Affordable Audio review of SB3

2007-09-13 Thread auronthas
westernboy;226835 Wrote: I've found the SB3 analog output to be almost as good as that from the (expensive for me) Marantz CDP I was previously using - though there's no comparison as far as ease of use is concerned, of course. SD have absolutely transformed the way I listen to music, for

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Warbling after 2 mins when listening to 24/96 FLAcs with Spec. Anlzr.

2007-09-13 Thread MikeFish
mswlogo;226859 Wrote: Try transcoding to wave format on the server. This offloads the squeezebox from decoding to the PC. Thanks, but it's no biggy, I've just turned the spectrum analyzer off and everything works fine now. -- MikeFish

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A photo of your Squeezebox setup (please)

2007-09-13 Thread Chinanico
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best digital output... Coax or Tos?

2007-09-13 Thread mglaudiolabs
We have tested optical vs coaxial outputs but I have a hard time telling which one is better... -- mglaudiolabs Regards, Michael MGL Audio Laboratories, Inc. www.mglaudiolabs.com mglaudiolabs's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-09-13 Thread cjk32
joad;226017 Wrote: Edit: This is working Code: @echo off for /f usebackq delims= %%f in (`dir /b /s *.flac`) do @echo %%f @flac -dcs --totally-silent -- %%f | hdcd.exe -i -r Apolgies, batch files seem to need %%f, whereas

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-09-13 Thread cjk32
joad;226396 Wrote: I’m trying to convert my flac files to 24bit (hdcd) wav files direct without first converting the flac files to wav and then run hdcd.exe to get the 24bit hdcd files. This is not working Code: Flac –dcs “name of the file.flac” |hdcd.exe

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz

2007-09-13 Thread inguz
I'm not sure whether REQW has a feature to display phase response. Some other packages do (e.g. Acourate, which will also chart group-delay). The graphs you posted were created with the Octave scripts which ship with DRC. These scripts make a series of reallyinteresting charts. But right now,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A photo of your Squeezebox setup (please)

2007-09-13 Thread SatoriGFX
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A photo of your Squeezebox setup (please)

2007-09-13 Thread auronthas
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Affordable Audio review of SB3

2007-09-13 Thread mrfantasy
Of course I can, that's what this forum is all about. I'll just point out on the first page he misspells Allison Krauss, refers to the Squeezebox as having an LED display, and incorrectly hyphenates and capitalizes iTunes. It's hard for me to take what's supposed to be a careful review of

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC stored on server vs streamed ?

2007-09-13 Thread RioTubes
Very basic question from someone just getting set up. I've read that some can hear differences in FLAC vs. WAV streamed, but not when alternatively stored on the server. Are these two different ways of configuring SB? Streamed vs Stored? How would one play Flac that is stored on the server? Is

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC stored on server vs streamed ?

2007-09-13 Thread funkstar
You missunderstand the argument. All music is streamed to the SqueezeBox, it has no local storage beyond a small playback buffer. The argument is whether FLAC sent directly to the SB sounds different to the same file being de-compressed to it;s original WAV and that streamed to the SB.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC stored on server vs streamed ?

2007-09-13 Thread Pat Farrell
funkstar wrote: Personally i can't see how it would make a difference, but then what do i know? I don't have thousands of pounds of stereo equipment i need to justify ;) Personally, I can't see it either. I have many thousands of dollars worth of stereo equipment, maybe 5000 pounds sterling.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-09-13 Thread cjk32
cjk32;226895 Wrote: I think this is probably something to do with fseek and ftell not working when not connected to a file. I'll take a look at this and see if there's a good workaround, as piping really does need to work! Fixed in r172. Under win32, fseek() produces strange results when

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Affordable Audio review of SB3

2007-09-13 Thread mister pig
I found this thread very interesting to read. I have never claimed to be an expert in computer audio. Matter of fact, my article is aimed at individuals who are interested in testing the waters of PC audio. I know without a doubt, that there are many members of this board that have a far broader

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC stored on server vs streamed ?

2007-09-13 Thread Phil Leigh
Pat Farrell;226931 Wrote: funkstar wrote: Personally i can't see how it would make a difference, but then what do i know? I don't have thousands of pounds of stereo equipment i need to justify ;) Personally, I can't see it either. I have many thousands of dollars worth of stereo

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC stored on server vs streamed ?

2007-09-13 Thread Timothy Stockman
Maybe the difference being compared is who provides the clock. When non-sync, locally stored music is played, the Squeezebox or Transporter provides the clock reference and requests data from Slimserver as it needs it. When multiple units are playing in sync and for most Internet radio, the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC stored on server vs streamed ?

2007-09-13 Thread Phil Leigh
er...no. The transfer of data from PC to SB has nothing to do with the clocking of the DAC! There is no ASRC going on AFAIK. The SB always provides the clock. The SB supplies data to the DAC/SPDIF via its internal buffer. The PC sends data into the buffer. The buffer does what a buffer does -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC stored on server vs streamed ?

2007-09-13 Thread Timothy Stockman
Hi Phil, I totally agree, as I state in my post, that the SB or TP normally provide the clock and Slimserver slaves to it, providing audio data as required. However, with most Internet radio, the server provides the clock, so the SB or TP must slave to it. AFAIK, the SB and TP do not actually

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC stored on server vs streamed ?

2007-09-13 Thread Phil Leigh
I don't know how the Internet radio stuff works - but I'm pretty sure that the synched SB's are simply feeding off a single TCP stream and doing their own thing just as they do with a single SB - they aren't synched at clock level. They aren't actually perfectly in-synch! -- Phil Leigh You

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC stored on server vs streamed ?

2007-09-13 Thread seanadams
No, the client is always the clock source even for internet radio. In the hypothetical scenario where the client is running too fast and the (presumably live) internet radio source can't produce more data, then playback would stop and rebuffer. However, there are very large buffers on both

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Affordable Audio review of SB3

2007-09-13 Thread funkstar
mister pig;226944 Wrote: So the display of the SB is liquid crystal, whatever. Wrong again. It's a VFD, Vacuum Fluorescent Display. Which means it is far more readable than cheap LCD display. -- funkstar funkstar's

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Affordable Audio review of SB3

2007-09-13 Thread quietdragon
mister pig;226944 Wrote: Fair enough. I went back and listened once again to FLAC vs uncompressed WAV, and still prefer uncompressed. John, I'm intrigued that you hear a difference here. I'd like to know how you conducted this experiment. Would you elaborate? Here's an interesting

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Affordable Audio review of SB3

2007-09-13 Thread nicketynick
Now, now, this is the audiophile forum. let's not be having any talk of scientific method here, please! :-) -- nicketynick Wireless SB3, Denon DRA-F101, Mission M31 loudspeakers WinXP SP2 Slimserver, SMC WBR14g router http://www.last.fm/user/nicketynick/

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] itunes v SB3

2007-09-13 Thread Eric 2
Hi, I’m ready to go digital with my music collection. I already have a G5 Mac which will store the music. What I’m not sure of is which route to go: Option 1 itunes - Apple lossless – G5 optical to DAC (thinking about the Stello DA220 Mk2). DAC to amp. Option 2 Slimserver – Flac – G5 to

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] itunes v SB3

2007-09-13 Thread Pat Farrell
Eric 2 wrote: Am I right in thinking there will be no audio advantage using the squeezebox? I hate to say it, but I don't see any audio difference at all. Now the SB lets you move it away from your computer, but that isn't what you asked. Pat ___

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] itunes v SB3

2007-09-13 Thread snarlydwarf
Pat Farrell;226995 Wrote: I hate to say it, but I don't see any audio difference at all. Now the SB lets you move it away from your computer, but that isn't what you asked. And it lets you control it from the sofa, instead of the desk, getting you away from the computer, too. --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] itunes v SB3

2007-09-13 Thread Eric 2
Just wanted to make sure I wasn’t missing anything re the sound quality. As that’s the most important part to me. I want to improve the sound quality over my CDP (by using a DAC and lossless files) but as this is for my office, being close to my computer is not a problem. But I guess I need to

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] itunes v SB3

2007-09-13 Thread musiklov3r
Benchmark has a good wiki with regard to outputting digital audio from a computer. On the following page they graph the distortion that iTunes creates when the volume is less than 100%: http://extra.benchmarkmedia.com/wiki/index.php/ITunes_Distortion_Measurements I do not know how the SB3

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is connected to your Transporter?

2007-09-13 Thread musiklov3r
I would think that adding an a/d converter so that you can feed your vinyl through the Transporter dac in order to use the Transporter as a preamp would work for convenience, but it would be counterintuitive for audio quality. The benefit of vinyl is that it is analog and was never subject to

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] itunes v SB3

2007-09-13 Thread Phil Leigh
musiklov3r;227002 Wrote: Benchmark has a good wiki with regard to outputting digital audio from a computer. On the following page they graph the distortion that iTunes creates when the volume is less than 100%: http://extra.benchmarkmedia.com/wiki/index.php/ITunes_Distortion_Measurements

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is connected to your Transporter?

2007-09-13 Thread Phil Leigh
musiklov3r;227005 Wrote: I would think that adding an a/d converter so that you can feed your vinyl through the Transporter dac in order to use the Transporter as a preamp would work for convenience, but it would be counterintuitive for audio quality. The benefit of vinyl is that it is

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is connected to your Transporter?

2007-09-13 Thread musiklov3r
Good points. I don't know if I could tell the difference unless I tried, either. ; ) Phil Leigh;227010 Wrote: erm...well that is true if you ignore a lot of what was recorded in the Eighties onwards...lots of really nasty 14-bit! digital gear started creeping into studios at that point...

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-09-13 Thread scintilla
I would really like to encourage the development of a plug-in for on-the-fly detection of the companding bit, and subsequent transcoded output of 24/44.1 when that bit is detected. As you previously indicated, it appears that one of the flags just indicates that soft limiting was used in encode,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] itunes v SB3

2007-09-13 Thread musiklov3r
the chart looks like it has a few peaks closer to 104-106db, to my eyes. I do hit 104db or higher...then again, I'm not an engineer and I don't know what peculiarities an analogue pot or switched resistor ladder might create. Phil Leigh;227009 Wrote: hmmm - apparently this distortion is -120dB

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] itunes v SB3

2007-09-13 Thread DCtoDaylight
Eric 2;226994 Wrote: Option 1 itunes - Apple lossless – G5 optical to DAC (thinking about the Stello DA220 Mk2). DAC to amp. Option 2 Slimserver – Flac – G5 to Squeezebox, Squeezebox to DAC. DAC to amp. Don't forget there's also: Option 3 itunes - Apple lossless - G5 ethernet to

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Affordable Audio review of SB3

2007-09-13 Thread quietdragon
tonyptony;227029 Wrote: If you want to make it fair have someone else make the change. Without adequate controls, human helpers make the experiment susceptible to the 'Clever Hans' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clever_Hans) effect. -- quietdragon

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Affordable Audio review of SB3

2007-09-13 Thread tonyptony
mister pig;226944 Wrote: The main point of this thread appears to be centered around my comments regarding my choice not to use FLAC. Fair enough. I went back and listened once again to FLAC vs uncompressed WAV, and still prefer uncompressed. The differences are subtle in this area, although

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does the Squeezebox 3 benefit from a Big Ben?

2007-09-13 Thread gdg
Does anyone here use a Big Ben to reduce jitter out of the SB3? I'm running into a Tact 2.0s which is quite sensitive to jitter so if you have any experience in this area I'd love to hear your impressions. -- gdg gdg's

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does the Squeezebox 3 benefit from a Big Ben?

2007-09-13 Thread krochat
gdg;227035 Wrote: Does anyone here use a Big Ben to reduce jitter out of the SB3? I'm running into a Tact 2.0s which is quite sensitive to jitter so if you have any experience in this area I'd love to hear your impressions. Yes, I'm using one with SB3 and TacT RCS 2.2X. With the Big Ben, the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] itunes v SB3

2007-09-13 Thread muski
Another option is using an Airport Express ($99). For Apple lossless: itunes - Apple lossless – G5 - wirelessly via AirTunes to an AirPort Express-- optical out to DAC (thinking about the Stello DA220 Mk2). DAC to amp. For FLAC: VLC- FLAC - G5 - wirelessly via Rogue Ameoba Airfoil to an AirPort

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does the Squeezebox 3 benefit from a Big Ben?

2007-09-13 Thread gdg
Thanx for the input Kim. I don't think I'd go the transporter route because the word I'm getting is that Vista PC streaming has now surpassed the SB. If I go that route I'd definitely want to reclock what comes out of a computer. In addition I don't believe the Transporter can handle high rez

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC stored on server vs streamed ?

2007-09-13 Thread Timothy Stockman
Very interesting... I would have thought that it would be much preferable to have an almost inaudible discontinuity by dropping or duping an occasional sample to prevent a big rebuffering discontinuity with buffer underrun or overrun... -- Timothy Stockman

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-09-13 Thread quietdragon
cjk32;226938 Wrote: Just a general note to anyone downloading this. The best place to look for the most recent version is the website, http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~cjk32/hdcd/ Can you produce a Linux x86 binary? (I can compile, but the source is not published on your site.) --