Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 digital output quality

2007-10-24 Thread darrenyeats
pablolie;237489 Wrote: Packet loss in data transmission is common, and is merely an issue when the application is not loss tolerant. In a business network, you'll probably want to prioritize critical business flows over streaming audio and youtube :-) TCP/IP typically corrects packet loss,

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Volume regulation of transporter?

2007-10-24 Thread jaysung
Hello, I had a chat with my local dealer this morning. I explained that the tp has nearly become the one and only audio source on my hifi and I would subsequently not need the preamp integrated into my Marantz PM-11s1. He said I would be basically right but... He wanted to know how Transporter

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Volume regulation of transporter?

2007-10-24 Thread darrenyeats
jaysung;237538 Wrote: Hello, I had a chat with my local dealer this morning. I explained that the tp has nearly become the one and only audio source on my hifi and I would subsequently not need the preamp integrated into my Marantz PM-11s1. He said I would be basically right but... He

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What to upgrade next to improve sound quality ?

2007-10-24 Thread totoro
The idea that the sb3 is so bad that decent speakers will only reveal its flaws is absurd, IMHO. I run a pair of audio physik tempo 4s off of an sb3 (through an old mccormack power amp). These definitely qualify as at least very good speakers. The system sounds fine, and better than it did when

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Volume regulation of transporter?

2007-10-24 Thread jaysung
Hi, you say the transporter increases bit depth prior to volume control? So it is digital? Right. So we've solved this one. But... How is this increase of bitdepth brought about? With 16bit I can cover a range of 0 to 65535. Then I need to map this range of numbers to volume levels between 0

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Volume regulation of transporter?

2007-10-24 Thread darrenyeats
jaysung;237552 Wrote: How is this increase of bitdepth brought about? With 16bit I can cover a range of 0 to 65535. Then I need to map this range of numbers to volume levels between 0 noise and approx. 96db loudest. How can I increase the bit depth without just guessing details I really

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Volume regulation of transporter?

2007-10-24 Thread darrenyeats
jaysung;237552 Wrote: Then I need to map this range of numbers to volume levels between 0 noise and approx. 96db loudest. Remember that a 24-bit sample has the same maximum loudness as a 16-bit sample. Dynamic range is added at the bottom of the loudness scale. That's why the extra 8 bits

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyone have problems with Transporters AES/EBU Input?

2007-10-24 Thread riffer
I have just started troubleshooting this, but I can't input from the AES/EBU output of my Simaudio Moon Nova to my Transporter. Optical, RCA and BNC digital inputs work on the Transporter. BNC out works on the Nova. Unfortunately, I don't have any other components with AES/EBU inputs/outputs

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player

2007-10-24 Thread netim3
wdaher;237463 Wrote: I also suggested that they just write some drivers to allow their products to talk directly to a slimserver. There would be two ways to do this: - Linn develop software to make their Klimax DS (and any other models to follow) emulate a Squeezebox - effectively adopting

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What to upgrade next to improve sound quality ?

2007-10-24 Thread Phil Leigh
totoro;237550 Wrote: The idea that the sb3 is so bad that decent speakers will only reveal its flaws is absurd, IMHO. I run a pair of audio physik tempo 4s off of an sb3 (through an old mccormack power amp). These definitely qualify as at least very good speakers. The system sounds fine, and

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Volume regulation of transporter?

2007-10-24 Thread jaysung
well, that kinda makes sense although it sounds like inflation. It's like a big economical depression where you need loads of bits to pay for a signal in 24ish currency. The advantage is that you can buy much smaller amounts of signal with the coins in 24bit land. Going back to numbers: If the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Volume regulation of transporter?

2007-10-24 Thread inguz
To return to the OP's questions... nobody yet pointed out that Tranporter has options for analog attenuation (after the DAC) too. The switches are internal, so you need to remove the cover to get at them, but recommended as a way to set the maximum output level and so get the most dynamic range

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Volume regulation of transporter?

2007-10-24 Thread Phil Leigh
ooops you are right! Jeronimo - you want to get those attenuators set to your max listening level. That will ensure you get the best from the digital volume control. In my experience, a well-implemented 24-bit level control (SB, TACT etc) is better than an average analogue pot or even a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Volume regulation of transporter?

2007-10-24 Thread jaysung
Yep, Inguz. I know of the attenuation options. Are you suggesting that if one sets analogue attenuation the digital range we have talked about a lot is somehow shifted down the volume range meaning that if I turn the volume down on the transporter it uses more bits for finer resolution? But the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A photo of your Squeezebox setup (please)

2007-10-24 Thread SteveCresswell
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A photo of your Squeezebox setup (please)

2007-10-24 Thread slimkid
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Volume regulation of transporter?

2007-10-24 Thread Phil Leigh
I think you've summed it up nicely, Jeronimo! Although with 24-bit you would have to reduce the volume a lot before losing noticeable resolution. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... ...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Volume regulation of transporter?

2007-10-24 Thread cliveb
jaysung;237646 Wrote: - then I can attenuate the analogue output of the dac via the jumpers inside the tp so to have the tp have a digital volume set as high as possible. One final little issue that you may need to consider: if you use the TP's balanced outputs, the internal attenuators don't

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player

2007-10-24 Thread adamslim
netim3;237598 Wrote: Have you entered the competition to win a Klimax system? Drat I thought I was the only one. There go my chances... :( -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others http://www.last.fm/user/AdamSlim/ 'Last.fm group: people who

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Volume regulation of transporter?

2007-10-24 Thread jaysung
Hi Clive, OK, so it seems I finally got it. You say the attenuation doesn't work for balanced outputs? But isn't the single ended i.e rca output just one side of the balanced version? If that was the case I really can't see why they shouldn't work for the whole analogue stage. And if you add

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Digital Amps

2007-10-24 Thread TiredLegs
ar-t;237335 Wrote: The guys who hold the patents for some of the most popular Class D circuits get very angry when you call their design digital. Trust me Would that be the folks at Hypex? -- TiredLegs

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New 3rd party power supply

2007-10-24 Thread TiredLegs
zanash;235457 Wrote: Didn't see a price ? but you can build one for about $70 though the case will not be as pretty. It's $259 for the Channel Islands power supply. I paid $249 for my Squeezebox. What's wrong with this picture? -- TiredLegs

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Volume regulation of transporter?

2007-10-24 Thread cliveb
jaysung;237688 Wrote: You say the attenuation doesn't work for balanced outputs? But isn't the single ended i.e rca output just one side of the balanced version? If that was the case I really can't see why they shouldn't work for the whole analogue stage. I don't know for sure, but from what

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Pre-amp or amp with volume bypass

2007-10-24 Thread westernboy
darrenyeats;237287 Wrote: Finally did level-matched A/B testing of the pre bypass with my DAC's volume control. Then I tried SB3 digital volume control still level-matched. For overall results see my new footer :-) Darren PS: To be more precise, the differences seem subtle but certainly I

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Volume regulation of transporter?

2007-10-24 Thread Timothy Stockman
Just wanted to point out the obvious, which is often overlooked. When talking about digital audio resolution, we talk in terms of bit DEPTH. That's because the most signigicant bit always occupies the same position, regardless of resolution. The best analogy is if one viewed all digital audio

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Volume regulation of transporter?

2007-10-24 Thread jaysung
Timothy, thanks. Not at all confusing. Although I am not sure if you are right to view 16bit integer values as a fraction of 1. Since the biggest number you can write in 16bit is 32767 the end is open to the sky theoretically. You just don't use the numbers above... On the other hand if you have

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Volume regulation of transporter?

2007-10-24 Thread tomjtx
I bought Scott Endler's balanced, shotgun attenuaters. They plug directly into mt amp and are matched 24 stepp att. Sounds better than using my preamp -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New 3rd party power supply

2007-10-24 Thread SatoriGFX
TiredLegs;237696 Wrote: It's $259 for the Channel Islands power supply. I paid $249 for my Squeezebox. What's wrong with this picture? One of the reasons the Squeezebox is reasonably priced is the use of a cheap switching wallwart power supply. The CIAudio supply is one of the cheaper

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New 3rd party power supply

2007-10-24 Thread mvalera
The if is a BIG if. Please see Sean Adams many posts on the benefits, or lack thereof, of upgraded power supplies. Mike -- mvalera Michael Valera Online Communities Manager Logitech Streaming Media Systems slimdevices.com

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New 3rd party power supply

2007-10-24 Thread SatoriGFX
mvalera;237780 Wrote: The if is a BIG if. Please see Sean Adams many posts on the benefits, or lack thereof, of upgraded power supplies. Mike If I have read Sean's responses correctly he doesn't think the power supply makes a difference in the sound quality of the Squeezebox itself but

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New 3rd party power supply

2007-10-24 Thread SatoriGFX
slimkid;237794 Wrote: One question that I keep asking and not receiving reasonable answer is this: If existing switching power supply is so detrimental to the rest of the system because of RF or anything else it might be spreading around, what about other 10 switching power supplies that

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] audioengine5 - how far?

2007-10-24 Thread pablolie
While it is true that the AE5 have a bass punch that with some material is a tad over the top, I disagree with it being extreme. I actually think that many audiophile setups are a tad bass shy. It is a venerable tradition. We grow up, audiophile like, through bookshelf speakers, then perhaps we

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New 3rd party power supply

2007-10-24 Thread slimkid
SatoriGFX;237799 Wrote: I don't know. Why don't you try removing ALL the switching supplies in your house and find out? I'm only half kidding ... How do you know that your system wouldn't sound better if you eliminated all sources of RF and other noise? Well, sometimes when nobody is

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New 3rd party power supply

2007-10-24 Thread SatoriGFX
slimkid;237806 Wrote: Well, sometimes when nobody is around the house and I have nothing better to do ... well you get the idea. Let's say I just constantly fail to notice any gain that might be coming from cutting of (or adding to the same power bar like SB) various wallwarts, re-arranging

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New 3rd party power supply

2007-10-24 Thread tyler_durden
SatoriGFX;237790 Wrote: If I have read Sean's responses correctly he doesn't think the power supply makes a difference in the sound quality of the Squeezebox itself but does suggest that it is possible that RF noise put out by the stock PSU may interfere with other components in the system.