Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What does "bit perfect" mean?

2012-01-20 Thread Mnyb
darrell;685386 Wrote: > I am reminded by the references in this thread to the (alleged) > Almighty, of someone I worked with many years ago, who thought that the > beauty of Microsoft Windows was proof of the existence of God. And that > was Windows 98! Talking about low expextations :) One thin

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-01-20 Thread SBGK
pandasharka;685326 Wrote: > Well done - this is a discussion forum. Made up of hundreds of threads > where people swap information, experience, hints tips and advice etc. > > This thread like the rest discusses a specific topic - you've clearly > been having trouble for weeks understanding that

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a device to make internet radio streams sound better?

2012-01-20 Thread firedog
My experience with lossy files is that they sound better with: a better DAC; a tube buffer or some type of tube amplification. The tube sound makes the lossy files sound a little more like the "real thing". -- firedog GIK Acoustics Room Treatments. Tranquil PC fanless server running Vortexbox

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a device to make internet radio streams sound better?

2012-01-20 Thread Phil Leigh
In the uk we call such a device "BBC FM" :-) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIK

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a device to make internet radio streams sound better?

2012-01-20 Thread Mnyb
No lossy compression works by throwing away information it is lost forever :-/ Try tomfind hogher bitrate station :) -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a device to make internet radio streams sound better?

2012-01-20 Thread SuperQ
No, there is no magic box. Garbage in, Garbage out. -- SuperQ SuperQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93155

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Truths

2012-01-20 Thread Mnyb
rgro;685340 Wrote: > But, ralphpnj, aren't you just circling back to the same old argument, > here? > And, while I agree with you (and mcr, for that matter) in principle, > who's the arbiter of what's "better sound"? > > < snip > ;) a very positive worldview thankyou for that, I agre with th

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is illusion in audio reproduction?

2012-01-20 Thread TheOctavist
pippin;684865 Wrote: > > > So it's part of the everyday experience that the audible experience is > biased and modified by the situation. W yep! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYTlN6wjcvQ -- TheOctavist Vortexbox>SBT(TT 3.0)>>Forssell MDAC-2>>>Klein and Hummell 0300D Sota Sapphire/Lyra K

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Point of increasing returns

2012-01-20 Thread TheOctavist
[image: http://woozers.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/facepalm_4.jpg] -- TheOctavist Vortexbox>SBT(TT 3.0)>>Forssell MDAC-2>>>Klein and Hummell 0300D Sota Sapphire/Lyra Kleos>>Bespoke Valve Phono Stage>>Mastersound Due Venti>>Link Audio K100 --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Point of increasing returns

2012-01-20 Thread TheOctavist
magiccarpetride;685370 Wrote: > (i.e. getting the source, the amplification, speakers, interconnects > and cables) NO. the only things that can possibly matter here(and we are talking within the limits of human hearing) the room acoustics the source(ie the MUSIC being played) the loudspea

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Paul Frindle(DSP Master and Digital Audio Expert) clears the air(PC AUDIO)

2012-01-20 Thread TheOctavist
Paul is a digital audio expert and DSP mastermind. I often ask him for advice/information. His Bio is here. http://www.proaudiodsp.com/ Paul Frindle - Product Design Paul Frindle has 35 years' experience in the pro audio and music industries. He has worked as a studio engineer in Oxford and Pa

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Where does a 3D soundstage come from?

2012-01-20 Thread TheOctavist
Phil Leigh;685211 Wrote: > Apologies - it wasn't a criticism, just an observation! > Phil not a problem Sir! Glad to see you around here again! Breath of fresh air(IMO!) -- TheOctavist Vortexbox>SBT(TT 3.0)>>Forssell MDAC-2>>>Klein and Hummell 0300D Sota Sapphire/Lyra Kleos>>Bespoke Valve P

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-01-20 Thread jfo
magiccarpetride;685328 Wrote: > Klaus just called and told me how much he appreciates the hand job > you're giving him. Keep up the good handiwork;) Sigh...you're sinking to a new low of classless immaturity. Too wrapped up in mental masturbation I guess. -- jfo --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-01-20 Thread MichaelJ
evdplancke;685390 Wrote: > Now listening to factory SBT while writing and still enjoying music > soundstage, details, tonal balance and so on. > This will hopefully put an end for me to the nightmare of the endless > (and sleepless) tweaking quest of the holy graal of the perfect sound > and fin

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-01-20 Thread jmschnur
Effects of priorities might be interesting to test as you go on at 20k. -- jmschnur Joel jmschnur's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8604 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-01-20 Thread evdplancke
Side by side testing: A- SBooster BOTW - SBT - TT3.0 - default prio buffer 20k - modified Draka Ethernet B- factory SBT - factory PSU - low cost Ethernet cable both synced, connected to D-Link ethernet switch, digital out to V-DAC 2, LMS 7.7.0 with FLAC decoding on server. Very instructive to swit

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Point of increasing returns

2012-01-20 Thread SuperQ
The thing is, what you're talking about is completely psychosomatic. The tipping point is only in your head. The reason it's called the "law of diminishing marginal returns" is because that's how the world works. There is no tipping point. There is no breakthrough. It's all in your head. --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a device to make internet radio streams sound better?

2012-01-20 Thread darrell
Plank;685383 Wrote: > Forgive me for a newbie question. I am addicted to internet radio (Live > 365 etc.) but the sound quality (low bit rates) is not always the > greatest. I have a Squeezebox touch connected to an old Yamaha > receiver. Is there any box or something that I can add to make >

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What does "bit perfect" mean?

2012-01-20 Thread darrell
I am reminded by the references in this thread to the (alleged) Almighty, of someone I worked with many years ago, who thought that the beauty of Microsoft Windows was proof of the existence of God. And that was Windows 98! -- darrell

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is illusion in audio reproduction?

2012-01-20 Thread darrell
magiccarpetride;684838 Wrote: > > The question is: is that ability to hear and discern various > instruments an illusion? Is it something that our brains get tricked > into fabricating in our head (similar to how they get tricked into > fabricating the spatial positioning of the instruments) Sh

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a device to make internet radio streams sound better?

2012-01-20 Thread Plank
Forgive me for a newbie question. I am addicted to internet radio (Live 365 etc.) but the sound quality (low bit rates) is not always the greatest. I have a Squeezebox touch connected to an old Yamaha receiver. Is there any box or something that I can add to make internet radio sound better? K

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Point of increasing returns

2012-01-20 Thread ralphpnj
Ron Olsen;685381 Wrote: > http://www.totallyfreecursors.com/details.cfm/id/1876/Bang_Head.htm > > It's a cousin of facepalm: > http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/554/facepalm.jpg Excellent! The images are appropriate for both mcr and for those of us unfortunate to read what mc

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Point of increasing returns

2012-01-20 Thread Ron Olsen
ralphpnj;685375 Wrote: > WTF does banghead mean? http://www.totallyfreecursors.com/details.cfm/id/1876/Bang_Head.htm -- Ron Olsen Ron Olsen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9233 View this thread

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to improve the sound of your Squeezebox Touch

2012-01-20 Thread totoro
magiccarpetride;684820 Wrote: > I'm not selling anything. Also, I'm not impressed with your credentials, > as I happen to have a PhD in scientific research. I could probably teach > you a thing or two about the proper way to approach any area of > scientific research. I say 'probably' because tea

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-01-20 Thread Turnandcough
Sorry to butt in... I'm just going along reading the posts, taking what interests me and leaving the rest. I don't understand what everybody seems so uptight about and I can only guess what half the implied accusations/insinuations are really driving at. I agree that some people(including mysel

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Point of increasing returns

2012-01-20 Thread ralphpnj
magiccarpetride;685376 Wrote: > Fcuking awesome! And true as well! -- ralphpnj Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels -> Snatch -> The Transporter -> Transporter 2 (oops) -> Touch 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/)

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Point of increasing returns

2012-01-20 Thread magiccarpetride
ralphpnj;685372 Wrote: > Like MCR's song says: > > "I like to dream, yes, yes > Right between the sound machine > On a cloud of sound I drift in the night > Any place it goes is right > Goes far, flies near > To the stars away from here > > Well, you don't know what > We can find > Why don't yo

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Point of increasing returns

2012-01-20 Thread ralphpnj
ghostrider;685374 Wrote: > :banghead: WTF does banghead mean? -- ralphpnj Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels -> Snatch -> The Transporter -> Transporter 2 (oops) -> Touch 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/)

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Point of increasing returns

2012-01-20 Thread ghostrider
:banghead: -- ghostrider ghostrider's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18959 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93154 ___ a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Point of increasing returns

2012-01-20 Thread ralphpnj
Like MCR's song says: "I like to dream, yes, yes Right between the sound machine On a cloud of sound I drift in the night Any place it goes is right Goes far, flies near To the stars away from here Well, you don't know what We can find Why don't you come with me little girl On a magic carpet rid

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Point of increasing returns

2012-01-20 Thread pski
magiccarpetride;685370 Wrote: > We're all familiar with the theory of reaching a point of diminishing > returns. According to this theory, time, effort and money spent on > improving something may initially yield obvious, detectable and > palpable results, however there comes a point where invest

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Point of increasing returns

2012-01-20 Thread magiccarpetride
We're all familiar with the theory of reaching a point of diminishing returns. According to this theory, time, effort and money spent on improving something may initially yield obvious, detectable and palpable results, however there comes a point where investing more time, effort and money stops m

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Truths

2012-01-20 Thread rgro
ralphpnj;685360 Wrote: > Off topic: > > RG, do you also scan any of the cover art and booklets that come with > CD before you send it off to the basement? If so then I suggest that > you have look at muso (http://klarita.net/muso.html). It is the first > SB player that I've found that supports d

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Truths

2012-01-20 Thread pski
magiccarpetride;685361 Wrote: > How many drops of snake oil should I put in there? H2O2 is the active ingredient in many expensive products. "Just 'nuf to keep swishin' around and that don't turn all to foam right away.." You can't use too much unless the foam makes you swallow. It is a pecul

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Truths

2012-01-20 Thread magiccarpetride
pski;685357 Wrote: > If you want to whiten your teeth, just use brown bottle hydrogen > peroxide for a minute and a half each morning. Don't swallow. If you > aren't happy with a cold water rinse, use a dash of mouthwash. > > H2O2 seems very effective on dental plaque as well. > > P How many d

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Truths

2012-01-20 Thread ralphpnj
rgro;685354 Wrote: > I still have one of them thar CD player thangs, but it hasn't seen a CD > in many, many months. Any CD I buy (and I do still buy them) is > immediately ripped onto the Vortexbox and then sent to the basement > archive to live in darkness for the rest of its days. Off topic:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Truths

2012-01-20 Thread pski
magiccarpetride;685327 Wrote: > Welcome to the real world. Manufacturers claim all kinds of outlandish > things, and most of these things cannot ever be proven to work. > > I've tried whitening my teeth following the manufacturer's claims. > Guess what -- didn't work for me. I once injured my lo

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Truths

2012-01-20 Thread rgro
ralphpnj;685343 Wrote: > Thank you MCR & RG for your very sensible responses. As much as I may > regret saying it you are both right (I don't mean that I have anything > against either you being right, rather that I just don't like the fact > that the content of your statements is correct). > >

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to improve the sound of your Squeezebox Touch

2012-01-20 Thread Kevin Haskins
The very best way to improve the sound of ANY Squeezebox Touch is to use better loudspeakers. Just my $0.02 -- Kevin Haskins Kevin Haskins's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30729 View this thre

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Truths

2012-01-20 Thread ralphpnj
Thank you MCR & RG for your very sensible responses. As much as I may regret saying it you are both right (I don't mean that I have anything against either you being right, rather that I just don't like the fact that the content of your statements is correct). Now let's have some fun and games:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Truths

2012-01-20 Thread rgro
ralphpnj;685309 Wrote: > As I stated in my prior post I have no problem with the manufacturers > doing this but this is not what they claim nor is it how they "eye > candy" is marketed. They claim that their products are more than just > "eye candy" and that their product sound better than lower

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-01-20 Thread NoRoDa
NoRoDa;684947 Wrote: > Factory SBT vs my TT3.0 SBT in the same system, side by side. > Shorter time between factory and TT3.0 than with tt -r and tt -i, tt > -v, tt -k and all the restart in between. > > System: > ML 383 > ML 390S > Audio Physics Virgo 5 > > Any difference? Well, yes, there

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-01-20 Thread magiccarpetride
pandasharka;685326 Wrote: > Well done - this is a discussion forum. Made up of hundreds of threads > where people swap information, experience, hints tips and advice etc. > > This thread like the rest discusses a specific topic - you've clearly > been having trouble for weeks understanding that

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Truths

2012-01-20 Thread magiccarpetride
ralphpnj;685305 Wrote: > I beg to differ. If it was clearly stated by the manufacturers that all > one was getting for one's money was a device which was sonically > equivalent to a $300 SB Touch but which was flashy and nicely packaged > then I would not have a problem. But this is not what thes

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-01-20 Thread pandasharka
magiccarpetride;685290 Wrote: > What part of the 'discussion forum' do you not understand? This is the > forum for discussing audiophile-related stuff. Which is what we're > doing here. You seem to have serious issues with this fact. Time to > turn your back on all this and leave for greener past

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Truths

2012-01-20 Thread Mnyb
ralphpnj;685297 Wrote: > I know that, you know that and many other members of this forum know > that but what I'm really asking is can it shown that "the flashy, > nicely packaged, super-expensive stuff in that CES article" is just a > blatant attempt by these manufacturers to rip off their custo

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Truths

2012-01-20 Thread ralphpnj
Ron Olsen;685306 Wrote: > No. They are giving their customers what they want: expensive eye candy, > pride of ownership, bragging rights. Their customers are not interested > in low-cost equipment that works well. As I stated in my prior post I have no problem with the manufacturers doing this b

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Truths

2012-01-20 Thread Ron Olsen
ralphpnj;685297 Wrote: > I know that, you know that and many other members of this forum know > that but what I'm really asking is can it shown that "the flashy, > nicely packaged, super-expensive stuff in that CES article" is just a > blatant attempt by these manufacturers to rip off their custo

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Truths

2012-01-20 Thread ralphpnj
magiccarpetride;685299 Wrote: > I think the keyword is 'flashy, nicely packaged'. If that matters to me, > why would that fact tie you up in a knot? What's it to you that I'm okay > with spending 20 times more than you've spend on SBT? It's my business, > nothing to see here people, move on. I b

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-01-20 Thread tufty
SBGK;685122 Wrote: > why don't you give me back the 3 weeks of my life spent tweaking your > *cock sucking priorities* and buffer sizes. only to find they were a > waste of time. > > and yet again your suggestions were wrong. > > you wanted feedback , there you go, stick to what you are good at

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-01-20 Thread magiccarpetride
praganj;685294 Wrote: > The TT 3.0 thread was hijacked by SBGK :) > > I think we should discuss here about TT 3.0 and not about everything > else. I suggested it few pages ago, nobody cares... ;) Soundcheck inaugurated this thread with the following statement: "Looking forward to your construc

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Truths

2012-01-20 Thread magiccarpetride
ralphpnj;685297 Wrote: > I know that, you know that and many other members of this forum know > that but what I'm really asking is can it shown that "the flashy, > nicely packaged, super-expensive stuff in that CES article" is just a > blatant attempt by these manufacturers to rip off their custo

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Truths

2012-01-20 Thread ralphpnj
castalla;685296 Wrote: > - quote > > T+A’s new Music Player ($4400 plus $350 for preamp module) can be used > as a CD player or media player. Supporting 192/24 via all digital > inputs, with five S/PDIF inputs in addition to its WLAN, LAN, and USB > inputs, the UPnP-compliant Music Player even i

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Truths

2012-01-20 Thread magiccarpetride
Archimago;685191 Wrote: > Nice response MCP. I like how you eloquently described your position > and I certainly respect anyone's decision around something as > insignificant as cable preference (compared to all the major decisions > we make in life). > > However, I do differ from your opinion

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Truths

2012-01-20 Thread ralphpnj
Ron Olsen;685295 Wrote: > SqueezeBox player for music. WD TV, Boxee Box, or Apple TV 2 for video. > > No need to buy the flashy, nicely packaged, super-expensive stuff in > that CES article. I know that, you know that and many other members of this forum know that but what I'm really asking is

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Truths

2012-01-20 Thread castalla
- quote T+A’s new Music Player ($4400 plus $350 for preamp module) can be used as a CD player or media player. Supporting 192/24 via all digital inputs, with five S/PDIF inputs in addition to its WLAN, LAN, and USB inputs, the UPnP-compliant Music Player even includes a digital FM tuner. - unquo

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-01-20 Thread praganj
The TT 3.0 thread was hijacked by SBGK :) I think we should discuss here about TT 3.0 and not about everything else. I suggested it few pages ago, nobody cares... ;) -- praganj praganj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Truths

2012-01-20 Thread Ron Olsen
SqueezeBox player for music. WD TV, Boxee Box, or Apple TV 2 for video. No need to buy the flashy, nicely-packaged, super-expensive stuff in that CES article. -- Ron Olsen Ron Olsen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.co

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Truths

2012-01-20 Thread ralphpnj
One of the reasons that I decided to start this thread is to hopefully be able to use the information posted in this thread as way to fight back against the overpriced BS the continually spews from so many high end audio manufacturers. Check out the link below for what I think is going to be the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!

2012-01-20 Thread magiccarpetride
jfo;685192 Wrote: > Spoken like a well practised troll. Of all the urges I might have, this > is truly not one of them, so you can rest easy on the state of my life. > At some point early on though, I did try to give you the benefit of the > doubt. Stop obsessing about me, you're weirding me out

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2012-01-20 Thread magiccarpetride
pandasharka;685117 Wrote: > Despite the fact this thread is at least 100 pages longer than it ought > to be, SBGK you clearly don't read clearly or have trouble > comprehending. > > May I refer you to the request made earlier today by Soundcheck? > > Have another read. If you need any assista

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Truths

2012-01-20 Thread Mnyb
Nah keep thier length, my advice was a more general, " normal " speaker cable delivered with some systems has to tiny cross section and are often very long for no reason at all, and you speakers are also not one of those with absurd impedance variantions. ok for very long cables consider even lar

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Truths

2012-01-20 Thread Phil Leigh
tank121;685250 Wrote: > Should I be looking to cut down my Chord rumour cables then ? > > Originally I purchased sufficent amount for it to go into the new false > wall but the layout changed ? > > I think I have 2x3m or even 4m and only probably need 2m at the very > maximum. > > Will it real

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Truths

2012-01-20 Thread tank121
Should I be looking to cut down my Chord rumour cables then ? Originally I purchased sufficent amount for it to go into the new false wall but the layout changed ? I think I have 2x3m or even 4m and only probably need 2m at the very maximum. Will it really make a difference ? -- tank121 Squ

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!

2012-01-20 Thread Soulkeeper
Mnyb;684935 Wrote: > Then I have to buy pro products despite the ugly utilitarian design and > rack handles and large backlit > buttons etc . > Hey that migth be much cheaper :) Yes, If the SQ/$ rate is what's important, I'm pretty certain that pro or even semi-pro gear is the way to go. (Hey,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] audio advice

2012-01-20 Thread Phil Leigh
TheOctavist;685207 Wrote: > no, acoustically treating the room will. > > Promise. :) > > www.gikacoustics.com > > www.realtraps.com > > http://www.johnlsayers.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=3 Agreed. Assuming you have adequate amplification, the upgrade path should be: Room treatment and/or roo

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Where does a 3D soundstage come from?

2012-01-20 Thread Phil Leigh
TheOctavist;685110 Wrote: > Adam was asking for books, I suggested some. > > practical experience= grand > > books/learning academically= grand > > combining book sense AND practical experience= superior. :) Apologies - it wasn't a criticism, just an observation! Phil -- Phil Leigh You w