Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables

2021-03-06 Thread Grumpy Bob
d6jg wrote: > All piss take aside not all ISPs are the same. > UK > In general you do get what you pay for in this arena. Go cheap and you > get a cheap router and a heavily contended network and a shit level of > Technical Support usually from a third world call centre where English > is not th

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables

2021-03-06 Thread garym
d6jg wrote: > All piss take aside not all ISPs are the same. > UK > In general you do get what you pay for in this arena. Go cheap and you > get a cheap router and a heavily contended network and a shit level of > Technical Support usually from a third world call centre where English > is not th

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables

2021-03-06 Thread d6jg
All piss take aside not all ISPs are the same. UK In general you do get what you pay for in this arena. Go cheap and you get a cheap router and a heavily contended network and a shit level of Technical Support usually from a third world call centre where English is not the first language. Go for

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables

2021-03-06 Thread d6jg
slartibartfast wrote: > That's because he has an "open mind" [emoji1787] > > Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk Obviously the SQ was at an optimum level during school hours but I’m sure he could detect a fall off as soon as the kids came out of school? VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS)

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables

2021-03-06 Thread garym
d6jg wrote: > Obviously the SQ was at an optimum level during school hours but I’m > sure he could detect a fall off as soon as the kids came out of school? ;) *Home:* Pi4B-8GB/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B-4GB/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>Touch>

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables

2021-03-06 Thread slartibartfast
ftlight wrote: > One of the audiophile "testers" was switching ISPs, and determined that > he could hear a difference in the sound depending on whether it came > over the coax cable broadband connection of his old provider or the > fiber optic connection of the new one.That's because he has an "

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables

2021-03-06 Thread ftlight
One of the audiophile "testers" was switching ISPs, and determined that he could hear a difference in the sound depending on whether it came over the coax cable broadband connection of his old provider or the fiber optic connection of the new one. ---

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables

2021-03-06 Thread d6jg
ftlight wrote: > Quoting this great comment on that thread: > > I don't quite understand why this kind of unfettered product pimping via > pseudoscientific "tests" is not called out here, and yet a thread "why > was CD 44.1kHz", with no inflammatory happenings and just informative > posts (with

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables

2021-03-06 Thread Zombie
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables

2021-03-06 Thread ftlight
Fahzz wrote: > If you want 67 pages of diatribe on this subject: > https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/ethernet-cables-in-for-evaluation.840789/ > > I know there's threads on Audio Science Review which are (a lot) more > rational. Like I said earlier, cable issues make people nuts. Quoting

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables

2021-03-06 Thread philchillbill
DLD-UK wrote: > I purchased "so called" audio grade USB and Network cables at a hifi > show. Wasn't expecting to hear any difference and I never tested them > against normal cables to see, but I'm glad I bought them. They were on > offer at the show and cost no more than the equivalent computer

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables

2021-03-06 Thread Zombie
Funny that the last few metres of cable has such a big influence on the sound. The 1s and 0s have passed through kilometres of network cables and all kinds of routers, switches, noisy server environments and god knows what else, but it is still the last bit that changes the world. -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables

2021-03-06 Thread Fahzz
DLD-UK wrote: > I purchased "so called" audio grade USB and Network cables at a hifi > show. Wasn't expecting to hear any difference and I never tested them > against normal cables to see, but I'm glad I bought them. They were on > offer at the show and cost no more than the equivalent computer

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables

2021-03-06 Thread DLD-UK
I purchased "so called" audio grade USB and Network cables at a hifi show. Wasn't expecting to hear any difference and I never tested them against normal cables to see, but I'm glad I bought them. They were on offer at the show and cost no more than the equivalent computer cables. The company adm

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables

2021-03-06 Thread d6jg
Heuer wrote: > From what i have read these super switches sit upstream of the source > (NAS, Tidal etc) and act as a sort of noise condoim. From Uptone: > > "The heart of what makes our switch so unique is use of ACTIVE, > HIGH-SPEED, LOW-JITTER DIFFERENTIAL DIGITAL ISOLATOR chips in > conjuncti

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables

2021-03-06 Thread Heuer
>From what I have read these super switches sit upstream from the source (NAS, Tidal, Spotify etc) and act like a noise condom. From Uptone: "The heart of what makes our switch so unique is use of ACTIVE, HIGH-SPEED, LOW-JITTER DIFFERENTIAL DIGITAL ISOLATOR chips in conjunction with ULTRA-LOW JIT

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables

2021-03-06 Thread RonM
Jeff07971 wrote: > "It’s interesting how some of these other engineers (and their minions) > denounce what audiophiles are hearing as placebo and hallucinations. > They also demand double-blind and null tests for everything. Do they > really think intelligent people who are able to afford this g

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables

2021-03-06 Thread d6jg
Heuer wrote: > There are none; these magic switches sit between router/switches on your > network and your streamer/DAC. The one people are raving about at the > moment is the Uptone EtherREGEN (available from Audiostore, who sell the > DAC32, in the UK): https://uptoneaudio.com/products/etherre

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables

2021-03-06 Thread Heuer
d6jg wrote: > That’s a switch not a router! > I still haven’t seen a router claimed as “audio grade” > I.e. one that claims to deliver better than perfect 1s and 0s from > Qobuz, Tidal etc with “no noise” There are none; these magic switches sit between router/switches on your network and your s

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables

2021-03-06 Thread philchillbill
d6jg wrote: > That’s a switch not a router! > I still haven’t seen a router claimed as “audio grade” I.e. one that > claims to deliver better than perfect 1s and 0s from Qobuz, Tidal etc > with “no noise” Maybe something for the Polyvection guys to do as their next product [emoji51] Sent from

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables

2021-03-06 Thread RobbH
mrw wrote: > Excellent ! > > For those unaware, this term carries a meaning in British English that, > apparently, is not universally shared/adopted/understood in other > "Englishes": > https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/prat Thanks for the helpful translation! LMS 8 night

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables

2021-03-06 Thread mrw
Jeff07971 wrote: > "increased pace, rhythm, attack and timing (PRAT)" > > He got it in one > Excellent ! For those unaware, this term carries a meaning in British English that, apparently, is not universally shared/adopted/understood in other "Englishes": https://www.collinsdictionary.c

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables

2021-03-06 Thread d6jg
Heuer wrote: > Here you go: > https://audiopc.shop/en/winkel/network/reference-audiophile-switch-quad-switch-ocxo-ppa-studio-paul-pang/ That’s a switch not a router! I still haven’t seen a router claimed as “audio grade” I.e. one that claims to deliver better than perfect 1s and 0s from Qobuz, T

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables

2021-03-06 Thread Jeff07971
Heuer wrote: > Here you go: > https://audiopc.shop/en/winkel/network/reference-audiophile-switch-quad-switch-ocxo-ppa-studio-paul-pang/ "increased pace, rhythm, attack and timing (PRAT)" He got it in one Jeff *Want a webapp ?* Get SqueezeLite-X ! https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthr

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables

2021-03-06 Thread Heuer
d6jg wrote: > I’ve never seen an Audio Grade Router but no doubt someone claims one > . Here you go: https://audiopc.shop/en/winkel/network/reference-audiophile-switch-quad-switch-ocxo-ppa-studio-paul-pang/ Lounge: Transporter>Audio Synthesis DAX Decade>Audio Research LS22>Krell FPB300>Wil

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables

2021-03-06 Thread slartibartfast
Zombie wrote: > They pay because they can afford it. And the rest is expectation bias. > Who says a person spending thousands on a switch is an "audiophile" and > can hear a difference? I think most of them just have too much money.Buying > the switch makes them an audiophile [emoji3] Sent fro

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables

2021-03-06 Thread d6jg
One wonders what the Audiofools who buy audio grade ethernet switches do about their $€£ 20 ISP supplied routers? I’ve never seen an Audio Grade Router but no doubt someone claims one . VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables

2021-03-06 Thread Heuer
It does not stop with the switch, you also need to spend £70/metre on thernet cable: https://www.mcru.co.uk/product/meicord-audiophile-ethernet-network-cables/ Lounge: Transporter>Audio Synthesis DAX Decade>Audio Research LS22>Krell FPB300>Wilson Benesch Act 1's + 2 x Velodyne SPL1000 sub's Kit

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables

2021-03-06 Thread Zombie
They pay because they can afford it. And the rest is expectation bias. Who says a person spending thousands on a switch is an "audiophile" and can hear a difference? I think most of them just have too much money. Zombie's

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables

2021-03-06 Thread Jeff07971
Heuer wrote: > We are being told to earlier in the digital chain by spending £2,500+ on > an "audiophile grade" ethernet switch: > https://shop.martinshifi.co.uk/products/phoenixnet-audiophile-grade-network-switch-1 > > This one is $5,000: > https://audiobacon.net/2019/04/05/sotm-snh-10g-audioph

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables

2021-03-06 Thread Heuer
We are being told to earlier in the digital chain by spending £2,500+ on an "audiophile grade" ethernet switch: https://shop.martinshifi.co.uk/products/phoenixnet-audiophile-grade-network-switch-1 This one is $5,000: https://audiobacon.net/2019/04/05/sotm-snh-10g-audiophile-ethernet-switch-review

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables

2021-03-06 Thread Zombie
Paul Webster wrote: > Tested ... > https://audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/do-usb-audio-cables-make-a-difference.1887/ Bvilliant Zombie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25009 View

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables

2021-03-06 Thread Paul Webster
Tested ... https://audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/do-usb-audio-cables-make-a-difference.1887/ Paul Webster http://dabdig.blogspot.com author of \"now playing\" plugins covering radio france (fip etc), kcrw, supla finland, abc australia, cbc/radio-canada and rte ireland

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables

2021-03-06 Thread philchillbill
Jeff07971 wrote: > USB signalling is already differential ! > > But :D anyway ! > > Jeff Ssshhh, don’t spoil it for the Audiophiles [emoji1782] philchillbill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables

2021-03-06 Thread slartibartfast
chill wrote: > aka 'buy wiring'.Do "Audiophiles" still think it makes a difference? Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables

2021-03-06 Thread chill
slartibartfast wrote: > Reminds me of bi-wiring speakers [emoji1787] > aka 'buy wiring'. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables

2021-03-06 Thread slartibartfast
philchillbill wrote: > Might it be an idea to run TWO identical USB cables between the pi and > the DAC and send an inverted digital signal along one of them so that a > differential path like with XLR could be recreated? The pi has multiple > USB sockets and there must be DACs with more than on

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables

2021-03-06 Thread Jeff07971
philchillbill wrote: > Might it be an idea to run TWO identical USB cables between the pi and > the DAC and send an inverted digital signal along one of them so that a > differential path like with XLR could be recreated? The pi has multiple > USB sockets and there must be DACs with more than on