magiccarpetride;688460 Wrote:
> Excellent question: I pay enormous attention to picks, as they make or
> break my performance.
Couldn't be your skill, eh?
Always the equipment.
--
pski
real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is
truly the Golden Age of Wireless
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Phil Leigh;688462 Wrote:
> Exactly. So armed with a decent recording (speakers) and a good amp(digital player) then what's next, guitar
> lead your ears/brain...
Please don't cover them, I won't be able to hear anything.
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magiccarpetride
magiccarpetride;688460 Wrote:
> Excellent question: I pay enormous attention to picks, as they make or
> break my performance.
Exactly. So armed with a decent recording http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85
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Phil Leigh;688458 Wrote:
> Well, when playing your vintage guitars (of which I have a few too )...
> How much attention do you pay to the plectrum/pick?
Excellent question: I pay enormous attention to picks, as they make or
break my performance.
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magiccarpetride
magiccarpetride;688456 Wrote:
> All right, but assuming that to be the case -- assuming that we start
> from a decent recording/mastering (not such an unrealistic assumption,
> non?). Now what would be more important: the ingredients (i.e. the
> 'freshness' of digital bits that are being clocked
Phil Leigh;688452 Wrote:
> Quite, so one needs to start with a decent recording/mastering... If you
> don't start with that, all bets are off!
All right, but assuming that to be the case -- assuming that we start
from a decent recording/mastering (not such an unrealistic assumption,
non?). Now w
magiccarpetride;688451 Wrote:
> This is assuming that the quality of speakers increases proportionally
> with their price tag. Which is not my experience, not at all.
>
> To me, this is similar to asking "what's more important for preparing a
> great meal: quality ingredients, or quality pots an
vett93;687276 Wrote:
> My theory is that the weakest link in the system will limit the sound.
> However, good modern electronics can be had for a few $Ks. But good
> speakers usually cost more than that. So the speakers would meed more
> investment than any piece of the electronics.
This is assu
no issues at all(of course listening is required). Mine are set
symmetrically, so the phase is set the same..
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TheOctavist
Vortexbox>SBT(stock(TT failed dbt)>>Forssell MDAC-2>>>Klein and Hummell
0300D
Sota Sapphire/Lyra Kleos>>Bespoke Valve Phono Stage>>Mastersound Due
Venti>>Link Audio K10
TheOctavist;688143 Wrote:
> single subs are never adequate. you need multiples.
>
> http://www.audiokinesis.com/product_ak_swarm.html
>
> The main obstacles to natural-sounding bass reproduction are the
> inevitable room interactions, which impose large peaks and dips on the
> bass response. B
TheOctavist;688143 Wrote:
> single subs are never adequate. you need multiples.
>
> http://www.audiokinesis.com/product_ak_swarm.html
>
> The main obstacles to natural-sounding bass reproduction are the
> inevitable room interactions, which impose large peaks and dips on the
> bass response. B
single subs are never adequate. you need multiples.
http://www.audiokinesis.com/product_ak_swarm.html
The main obstacles to natural-sounding bass reproduction are the
inevitable room interactions, which impose large peaks and dips on the
bass response. By using multiple subs spread asymmetrical
Ron Olsen;687265 Wrote:
> If money is no object, buy the best-sounding, most expensive speakers
> you can afford. Include a subwoofer if your main speakers don't have
> deep bass response. Position speakers properly, do electronic and/or
> acoustic room correction. Make sure your system has a hig
Ron Olsen;687477 Wrote:
> Kodo's Lion (with a large bass drum hit with a huge club) sounds
> fantastic on my listening system with a well-integrated subwoofer.
> Unless your main speakers have good response down to 25 or 30 Hz, a
> properly integrated subwoofer can add palpable realism and intens
pandasharka;687421 Wrote:
> Two things I've never been into;
> a) Subwoofers - great in a home cinema environment - but in listening
> room?
Kodo's Lion (with a large bass drum hit with a huge club) sounds
fantastic on my listening system with a well-integrated subwoofer.
Unless your main speak
If "front end" means input signal, I would vote no.
Your ears hear the speakers and the speakers need amperes and accuracy.
--
pski
real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is
truly the Golden Age of Wireless
-
pandasharka;687421 Wrote:
> Two things I've never been into;
> a) Subwoofers - great in a home cinema environment - but in listening
> room? No thanks!
>
>
>
> I understand people may need both however.
This is great if your speakers go down to 20Hz, but if not then there
is a portion of the
vett93;687430 Wrote:
> Flat to 18Hz by what weighting method? One of my subwoofers is in my 2nd
> system. I set the cross over freq. at 40Hz and use the speaker level
> input. If I use A or C weighting method on my sound level meter to flat
> out the freq response, I find the low bass is a bit to
Flat to 18Hz by what weighting method? One of my subwoofers is in my 2nd
system. I set the cross over freq. at 40Hz and use the speaker level
input. If I use A or C weighting method on my sound level meter to flat
out the freq response, I find the low bass is a bit too weak for my
taste. I ended u
pandasharka;687421 Wrote:
> Two things I've never been into;
> a) Subwoofers - great in a home cinema environment - but in listening
> room? No thanks!
>
> 2) headphones. Not had the need since I was at home with folks.
>
> I understand people may need both however.
Personally I like having a
Two things I've never been into;
a) Subwoofers - great in a home cinema environment - but in listening
room? No thanks!
2) headphones. Not had the need since I was at home with folks.
I understand people may need both however.
--
pandasharka
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vett93;687414 Wrote:
> These Velodyne subwoofers have built-in room correction capability. I
> think it sweeps from 20Hz to 200Hz to caliberate itself.
Cool!
I haven't heard those.
--
Phil Leigh
You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it
ain't what you'd call minima
Phil Leigh;687280 Wrote:
> (at the risk of sounding like a scratched record) Subs never sound right
> to me on any music without some form of room correction. Have you tried
> any?
These Velodyne subwoofers have built-in room correction capability. I
think it sweeps from 20Hz to 200Hz to caliber
pandasharka;687286 Wrote:
> OK so we're saying that a high end streamer from the likes of Linn will
> not give significant sound benefit compared to SBT+ decent DAC?
>
> I'm relatively new into the digital space. I did spend a lot in the old
> days on Linn with a high end Sondek front ended syst
adamdea;687345 Wrote:
> Somewhwat less than that. But i think you can buy a klimax renew for
> about £3.5k on ebay
> which i think is the same machine in a cheaper box.
>
> Anyway all this is by the by on a squeezebox forum. why not consider a
> Wriss dac 202 which is pretty much state of the
pandasharka;687334 Wrote:
> Many thanks for your detailed response - lots to take in there!
> So right at the start you suggest something like a Linn Klimax or
> similar could be reasonable value.
> At a RRP of c.15k I'd suggest it's poor value.
>
Somewhwat less than that. But i think you can bu
adamdea;687308 Wrote:
> Actually I think a Linn Klimax might be a fairly reasonable buy. That is
> quite a different thing from saying it is likely to be better than a SBT
> into a good dac.
>
> One real problem with audiophiles and digital is that audiophuiles have
> bult up a lot of gut instin
chill;687331 Wrote:
> Hehe - Again (!), not aimed at anyone in particular. Perhaps I should
> have said "rather than ME hijacking Pandasharka's thread.". I must
> take more care with my phrasing.
As must we all :-)
--
Phil Leigh
You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/
Phil Leigh;687329 Wrote:
> Sorry I had no intention of hijacking Pandasharka's thread - thanks for
> the new thread.
> regards
> Phil
Hehe - Again (!), not aimed at anyone in particular. Perhaps I should
have said "rather than ME hijacking Pandasharka's thread.". I must
take more care with
chill;687320 Wrote:
> This seems like a good topic for another thread. Rather than hijacking
> Pandasharka's thread here, I've started another one in the DIY
> section.
>
> http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93330
Sorry I had no intention of hijacking Pandasharka's thread - thanks
Phil Leigh;687310 Wrote:
> (agreeing wildly with Adamdea)
> Can we have a 6-channel Touch please - or a method of perfectly syncing
> 3 Touches - so I can implement a 3-way x-over alongside/within Inguz...
>
> I'd love that; DRC'd and x-overed/filtered (?) 3 streams into 3
> identical DAC's into
My experience is that the better the source fed to the DAC, the better
it will sound. For instance, a high quality USB to SPDIF converter
(Empirical, Audiophilleo, Berkeley, Wavelength) can make even a modest
DAC comparable to some of the more expensive ones. I've heard the
difference this can mak
(agreeing wildly with Adamdea)
Can we have a 6-channel Touch please - or a method of perfectly syncing
3 Touches - so I can implement a 3-way x-over alongside/within Inguz...
I'd love that; DRC'd and x-overed/filtered (?) 3 streams into 3
identical DAC's into 3 power amps... nice.
When my system
pandasharka;687286 Wrote:
> OK so we're saying that a high end streamer from the likes of Linn will
> not give significant sound benefit compared to SBT+ decent DAC?
>
> I'm relatively new into the digital space. I did spend a lot in the old
> days on Linn with a high end Sondek front ended syst
It depends on your main speakers. If they go "sonically" deep to begin
with like mine then you need to add a sub carefully.
I have had a bit of a journey with my sub. In the end, reading the
manufacturer's instructions worked best for me! In my case, positioning
is the most important aspect. Unfo
On 30 Jan 2012, at 08:34, Phil Leigh wrote:
>
> vett93;687276 Wrote:
>> My theory is that the weakest link in the system will limit the sound.
>> However, good modern electronics can be had for a few $Ks. But good
>> speakers usually cost more than that. So the speakers would meed more
>> inves
Ron Olsen;687265 Wrote:
> If money is no object, buy the best-sounding, most expensive speakers
> you can afford. Include a subwoofer if your main speakers don't have
> deep bass response. Position speakers properly, do electronic and/or
> acoustic room correction. Make sure your system has a hig
vett93;687276 Wrote:
> My theory is that the weakest link in the system will limit the sound.
> However, good modern electronics can be had for a few $Ks. But good
> speakers usually cost more than that. So the speakers would meed more
> investment than any piece of the electronics.
>
> If you
My theory is that the weakest link in the system will limit the sound.
However, good modern electronics can be had for a few $Ks. But good
speakers usually cost more than that. So the speakers would meed more
investment than any piece of the electronics.
If you listen to Classical or Jazz music,
If money is no object, buy the best-sounding, most expensive speakers
you can afford. Position them properly, do electronic and/or acoustic
room correction. Buy a high-quality DAC to feed the speakers.
Everything else is a second-order effect.
--
Ron Olsen
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darrell;687221 Wrote:
> I'm not sure that I agree with your characterisation of the two camps. I
> thinks that it's more those who would either junk accepted science and
> invent their own version, or else ignore science completely (including
> the science which tells us to be careful about what
I'm not sure that I agree with your characterisation of the two camps. I
thinks that it's more those who would either junk accepted science and
invent their own version, or else ignore science completely (including
the science which tells us to be careful about what we think we
see/hear), versus t
pandasharka;687192Linn Klimax DS? Different planet to SB + whatever DAC[/QUOTE
Wrote:
>
> says who? Are you claiming to have compared this to a sbt plus Weiss
> dac 202/ bricasti / dcs Debussy or whatever?
>
> I picked the example of these dacs because they look to measure on
> spdif as well a
pandasharka;687192 Wrote:
> Well if that's the case, Logitech are giving their SB products away..
>
> Have you heard the Linn streamers? Especially the more high end
> offerings?
>
> Still you get what you pay for... or do you?!
Yes I've heard the entire Linn family of DS devices in my home.
Soulkeeper;687188 Wrote:
> No. There's no reason why it should sound better, and a separate
> transport + a great DAC is more flexible than a one-in-all solution.
>
> If you want as few boxes as possible, sure, but then again, if that's
> your priority (as opposed to high fidelity), you can hard
pandasharka;687182 Wrote:
> Just supposing money was no object, would an investment in a high end
> streamer like a Linn Klimax DS not be a better proposition than SB+
> (whatever) DAC?
No. There's no reason why it should sound better, and a separate
transport + a great DAC is more flexible than
Yep for those who have spent out on a DAC to go with the SB that makes
sense.
Just supposing money was no object, would an investment in a high end
streamer like a Linn Klimax DS not be a better proposition than SB+
(whatever) DAC?
Or is the game here to try and get better than that on a shoes
pandasharka;687178 Wrote:
>
> And if you buy into that - why did we believe that a SB product married
> to an often much more expensive DAC would give better real world
> performance than a one box solution from the likes of Linn or Naim?
>
> Maybe people on here are using the SB as a stepping
I can only repeat and support what many have said here. A reasonably
good DAC is source-agnostic, so it makes sense to spend on that point
onwards. The sound you hear will depend on the DAC's analogue stage,
the pre-amp, the power amp and the speakers, but all your digital
sources will sound the
Guys
There's been a shed load of negative round here recently.
Looks like two camps - 1) those who pioneer and try things outside the
box (including keeping SBT in a sandwich box) and 2) those who stand
back, watch, take observations and refuse to be swayed from the
"path".
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