[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Poor listening environment, any point upgrading?

2006-04-07 Thread tomsi42
Kyle Wrote: > Just don't tell us you're a big fan of the Village People. I can confirm I am not a fan of Village people. And Meatloaf is only played when I am partying... And in that case, speaker placement is not what I am thinking about ;) -- tomsi42 SqueezeBox2, Rotel RC-1070/RB-1070, dyn

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Poor listening environment, any point upgrading?

2006-04-06 Thread snarlydwarf
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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Poor listening environment, any point upgrading?

2006-04-06 Thread Kyle
tomsi42 Wrote: > True enough. But not so fun when I play Meatloaf ;) Just don't tell us you're a big fan of the Village People. -- Kyle Kyle's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2541 View this thread

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Poor listening environment, any point upgrading?

2006-04-06 Thread tomsi42
snarlydwarf Wrote: > No way. > > Unless your wife or gf finds out why you enjoy music so much. True enough. But not so fun when I play Meatloaf ;) -- tomsi42 SqueezeBox2, Rotel RC-1070/RB-1070, dynaBel Exact. tomsi42's

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Poor listening environment, any point upgrading?

2006-04-06 Thread snarlydwarf
tomsi42 Wrote: > I can now position the singer perfectly - she sits on my lap! > > Time to move ? No way. Unless your wife or gf finds out why you enjoy music so much. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forum

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Poor listening environment, any point upgrading?

2006-04-06 Thread tomsi42
pfarrell Wrote: > > I believe it is very clear cut, put the speakers and chair > away from the wall. But if you try it and don't like it, > I'd love to hear about your hearing experiences. > This is one of those things I have known for ages, but have "sinned" against many times. My current si

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Poor listening environment, any point upgrading?

2006-04-06 Thread opaqueice
dwc Wrote: > A coherent image depends upon the sound waves meeting your ears at the > precise time for your brain to infer a distinct location of origin. > The more sources of sound, the harder it is to get that precision. > That's one reason some folks claim that speakers with fewer drivers >

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Poor listening environment, any point upgrading?

2006-04-06 Thread tomsi42
opaqueice Wrote: > > Given that this effect is so powerful with only two (properly arranged) > speakers, it makes you wonder what could be done with more... This is the reason I have gone back to stereo after fooling around with surround... Surround is great for movies and stuff, but for audio

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Poor listening environment, any point upgrading?

2006-04-06 Thread dwc
opaqueice Wrote: > > Given that this effect is so powerful with only two (properly arranged) > speakers, it makes you wonder what could be done with more.. A coherent image depends upon the sound waves meeting your ears at the precise time for your brain to infer a distinct location of origin.

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Poor listening environment, any point upgrading?

2006-04-06 Thread Patrick Dixon
opaqueice Wrote: > > Given that this effect is so powerful with only two (properly arranged) > speakers, it makes you wonder what could be done with more...Or indeed with > more ears ... -- Patrick Dixon www.at-tunes.co.uk

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Poor listening environment, any point upgrading?

2006-04-06 Thread opaqueice
pfarrell Wrote: > > > I believe it is very clear cut, put the speakers and chair > away from the wall. But if you try it and don't like it, > I'd love to hear about your hearing experiences. > > -- > Pat > http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html Well, I've been playing wit

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Poor listening environment, any point upgrading?

2006-04-06 Thread Skunk
pfarrell Wrote: > > Sure, some rely on the wall reflection to make up for wimpy bass > response, but this is an audiophile list. If your tweeters are spewing their sound out over a 180 degree axis, then yes it's important. Not all speakers do that (think avantgarde), so I see the wall reinforce

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Poor listening environment, any point upgrading?

2006-04-06 Thread Pat Farrell
Skunk wrote: > pfarrell Wrote: > >>But even decent, non-audiophile speakers can sound >>a ton better 8 or so feet from walls and corners. >>The bad thing is that most of us don't like in rooms >>with more than 8 feet ceilings, and it is really hard >>to get speakers more than 3 feet off the floor

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Poor listening environment, any point upgrading?

2006-04-06 Thread Skunk
pfarrell Wrote: > > But even decent, non-audiophile speakers can sound > a ton better 8 or so feet from walls and corners. > The bad thing is that most of us don't like in rooms > with more than 8 feet ceilings, and it is really hard > to get speakers more than 3 feet off the floor. This > is wh

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Poor listening environment, any point upgrading?

2006-04-05 Thread Pat Farrell
Andrew B. wrote: > As I'm sure Pat realises, it is all more complicated than this with > respect to delay etc. You bet, this stuff gets complicated fast. > 10ms is a very tiny delay which may slightly > thicken the music if you were doing it with two sets of speakers > pointing at you, one del

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Poor listening environment, any point upgrading?

2006-04-05 Thread Pale Blue Ego
I was going to suggest maybe replacing the speakers with a 2.1 system like the Mirage Omni series of small, omnidirectional satellites, coupled with a sub. That would allow you a lot more flexibility in placement and even if you didn't have strictly identical conditions for the L and R speakers,

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Poor listening environment, any point upgrading?

2006-04-05 Thread Andrew B .
As I'm sure Pat realises, it is all more complicated than this with respect to delay etc. 10ms is a very tiny delay which may slightly thicken the music if you were doing it with two sets of speakers pointing at you, one delayed and the other not. But there are other more significant effects at w

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Poor listening environment, any point upgrading?

2006-04-04 Thread Pat Farrell
opaqueice wrote: > pfarrell Wrote: >>The bad part is that the number of feet required is about 5 feet, >>and unless you are single, the WAF of having speakers 8 feet >>from walls is near zero. > My speakers just disappeared, and Patricia Barber (at the moment) is > standing in between them, with

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Poor listening environment, any point upgrading?

2006-04-04 Thread opaqueice
pfarrell Wrote: > > The bad part is that the number of feet required is about 5 feet, > and unless you are single, the WAF of having speakers 8 feet > from walls is near zero. > > But some time when the SO is out of the house. try moving the > speakers and putting them in stands > in a room at

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Poor listening environment, any point upgrading?

2006-04-04 Thread dwc
Congrats on getting the tweeter fixed. I've had to use masking tape to 'pop out' tweeters on my monitors a few times. Tiny kids just can't resist poking exposed tweeters, they think everything is a button to press... -- dwc -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Poor listening environment, any point upgrading?

2006-04-04 Thread Pat Farrell
Butane Bob wrote: > The treble is crisper now I have two functioning tweeters and the bass > is much tighter, I suspect from bringing the speakers forward, and I > didnt spend a penny. You are clearly moving in the right direction. In general, speakers don't sound very good against a wall. They do

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Poor listening environment, any point upgrading?

2006-04-04 Thread Phil Leigh
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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Poor listening environment, any point upgrading?

2006-04-04 Thread Butane Bob
Well I have just moved the speakers around a bit, brought them forward as much as I can (30cm from the rear wall), and toed them in. I also decided to listen to each one in turn switching over the balance - and interestingly I noticed the right hand speaker sounded much better than the left. In fa

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Poor listening environment, any point upgrading?

2006-04-04 Thread P Floding
inguz Wrote: > Using a digital room-correction system you should be able to hear a big > improvement -- tighter bass, especially. (Is anyone else working on > integrating DRC with squeezebox/slimserver?) That would help, but it won't move the speakers further apart. BTW, "anyone else"? Is anyo

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Poor listening environment, any point upgrading?

2006-04-04 Thread P Floding
tomsi42 Wrote: > If you buy speakers and amplifiers for 2 grand (£ not $) today, you can > get equipment that clearly sounds better than a similarly priced set > aroung 1995-7. > > How do I know - I have done it myself ;) > > Tom Sure, but what is the point if you have absolutely no control o

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Poor listening environment, any point upgrading?

2006-04-04 Thread inguz
Using a digital room-correction system you should be able to hear a big improvement -- tighter bass, especially. (Is anyone else working on integrating DRC with squeezebox/slimserver?) -- inguz inguz's Profile: http://for

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Poor listening environment, any point upgrading?

2006-04-04 Thread dnighorn
I agree with all of those that encourage you to move the speakers. It appears that they are way too close to the wall. I found that .5 meters is a minimum. The bass will tighten and the imaging will improve dramatically. The wardrobe is really causing a problem by setting up a huge boundary re

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Poor listening environment, any point upgrading?

2006-04-04 Thread Andrew B .
Butane Bob Wrote: > Thanks for all the suggestions > > As to how I listen - I listen in 2 different ways, background music > whilst having dinner etc, but also put a beanbag in the room at the > sweetspot for more in depth listening. Both are equally important > > Interesting that the Aegis 3

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Poor listening environment, any point upgrading?

2006-04-04 Thread Butane Bob
Thanks for all the suggestions As to how I listen - I listen in 2 different ways, background music whilst having dinner etc, but also put a beanbag in the room at the sweetspot for more in depth listening. Both are equally important Interesting that the Aegis 3 is notorious for the boomy bass p

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Poor listening environment, any point upgrading?

2006-04-04 Thread jonheal
I'm afraid you're just going to have to move. ;-) -- jonheal Jon Heal says: Have a nice day! http://www.theheals.org/ jonheal's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2133 View this thread: http://forums

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Poor listening environment, any point upgrading?

2006-04-04 Thread Patrick Dixon
The wardrobe looks really nice! You should be able to get decent mid and treble, but bass is often a problem particularly when speakers are in corners. Floor standing speakers usually generate more bass than standmounts, so if you have a boomy bass problem that may not be the way to go. The lac

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Poor listening environment, any point upgrading?

2006-04-04 Thread Andrew B .
The Aegis 3s are quite well known for having a boomy bass. This will be accentuated because they have a rear port and you have placed them too close to the wall. If you can't move them out from the wall then you could try placing a pair of rolled up socks into each port (seriously). This may help

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Poor listening environment, any point upgrading?

2006-04-04 Thread Skunk
Butane Bob Wrote: > I would therefore welcome opinions as to whether there is any real > point in upgrading either amp or speakers given my limitations, or > should I just get myself a new (and most likely cheaper) hobby and try > and be happy with what I've got. > If you're going to do this

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Poor listening environment, any point upgrading?

2006-04-04 Thread dwc
I think for 2k you can certainly improve your sound. A couple ideas in the meantime: - move your speakers off the back wall for listening (get the right one out in front of the wardrobe so you're not getting a big reflection off the side of it). You can always put them back when done. - a thick r

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Poor listening environment, any point upgrading?

2006-04-04 Thread tomsi42
P Floding Wrote: > I'm not sure what, to be honest? (Apart from CD-playback -but he has > that covered with the SB.) If you buy speakers and amplifiers for 2 grand (£ not $) today, you can get equipment that clearly sounds better than a similarly priced set aroung 1995-7. How do I know - I hav

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Poor listening environment, any point upgrading?

2006-04-04 Thread P Floding
Butane Bob Wrote: > I cant move the speakers at all - it's quite difficult to see from the > picture, but the piano is against the wall with very little space > either side, there is a settee and window facing it and a door on the > adjacent wall. Sadly there is nowhere else that I can practicall

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Poor listening environment, any point upgrading?

2006-04-04 Thread Butane Bob
P Floding Wrote: > The photo helped a lot in understanding your setup. > > It doesn't look good. > IMHO the speakers are too close to each other. > > What about positioning them on each side of the piano, a bit out from > the wall perhaps -is there more width available there? > > Until you can

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Poor listening environment, any point upgrading?

2006-04-04 Thread P Floding
The photo helped a lot in understanding your setup. It doesn't look good. IMHO the speakers are too close to each other. What about positioning them on each side of the piano, a bit out from the wall perhaps -is there more width available there? Until you can place things better I would work on

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Poor listening environment, any point upgrading?

2006-04-04 Thread tomsi42
It would probably be worth it. What you could do is to try to borrow some kit to see if it helps. I have a room that make the bass boom. Still I get improvements when I try better stuff - often the bass gets tighter as well! There are also things that can be done to the listening room that help