TT doesn;t work.
just turn it off and ease your mind.
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TheOctavist wrote:
TT doesn;t work.
just turn it off and ease your mind.
funny, thought the OP said he was impressed with the changes TT3.0
made.
Do you have a point to make or are you just being controversial ? Maybe
it's your mind that needs to be eased.
I have installed TT3 on my touch and extremely satisfied with the
results.
My setup
Squeezeserver runing on Windows Homeserver2011 on LX195 hardware and
SBtouch with TT3 mods with buffer size currently at 3500u.Also SB is
connected to Edimax range extender with a Lan Cable with wifi turned off
in
This is a well-known issue. The problem lies with the combination of
TT3.0 and transmissions of some internet radio stations. For example of
past discussions, see
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?95144-Radio-Apps-Sound-Like-Chipmunks
Thank you. Is it only for low sample rate/quality stations or is it for
higher quality stations too.Any fixes?other than using original
firmware.
I like the mods and it has improved the audio quality alot.
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I think post #6 in the link I gave pretty much sums it up. As far as I
know it's only an issue with low sample rate material.
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I'm sorry guys. This thread doesn't make any sense any more and is
wasting way too much of our time.
This thread is closed.
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We are going round in cycles, aren't we?
- You always claim you (and mcr) - yet again - made the sound 100 times
better.
- Yet again you are using tweaks which actually are very unlikely to
change anything at all (like applet loading priority, or triodes Applet
influencing SPDIF) .
- yet
SBGK wrote:
so the greatest advancement in sound quality for the Touch, that I have
heard, doesn't raise any intellectual curiosity amongst the denizens of
the premier Squeezebox community forum ?
.
no, because it is rubbish.
if you used room correction or treatment and made those
these are for ethernet connected digital out - install tt3.0 after
triode mod and then make these changes
I made these changes to make TT3.0 work with the triode settings, TT -b
won't work, so the buffer is set at 92790, just change that value for
the one you want where you see 92790 below.
The only problem with these triode + TT3.0 + SBGK mods is that it has
enhanced the playback of 16/44.1 to such an extent that I need a display
of the sample rate to let me know whether it should sound good as
16/44.1 can't possibly sound this good.
Can't say that I could tell a well recorded
SBGK wrote:
The only problem with these triode + TT3.0 + SBGK mods is that it has
enhanced the playback of 16/44.1 to such an extent that I need a display
of the sample rate to let me know whether it should sound good as
16/44.1 can't possibly sound this good.
Can't say that I could tell
SBGK wrote:
The only problem with these triode + TT3.0 + SBGK mods is that it has
enhanced the playback of 16/44.1 to such an extent that I need a display
of the sample rate to let me know whether it should sound good as
16/44.1 can't possibly sound this good.
Can't say that I could tell
NoRoDa wrote:
pski wrote:
Tragic? Yes, indeed ;)
well, it was John Swenson that was one of the earliest posters to
identify that the sound was better with the screen off, but I suppose
you are more knowledgeable than he is.
Is TT3 available from a non-Google location?
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mod/app
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?94512-Announce-Enhanced-Digital-Output-app-USB-Dac-and-192k-Digital-Ouput
Works well!
Now for a compatible version of TT4(?)
Deaf Cat wrote:
Seem to be quite a few trying to soften the forward aggressive sound,
with pc tweeks any pointers on making it a little more forward and
aggressive?
cheers
using inguz eq boost 7, 8 , , 9 and 10 kHz by 42db/ Q of 1.0
while using steep filter to cut everything below 500 hz
magiccarpetride wrote:
Would that be the factory in China?
??
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TheOctavist wrote:
using inguz eq boost 7, 8 , , 9 and 10 kHz by 42db/ Q of 1.0
while using steep filter to cut everything below 500 hz
also knock down your walls and replace with glass.
I was thinking forward and aggressive sound, as in, sound stage brought
closer to me and not a
cfraser wrote:
touchup: are you absolutely sure you're decoding the FLACs on your
server? If I don't, *then* I can hear a diff, but otherwise: nope,
sounds like the WAVs (which I also keep for everything). Edit: because
of course, the server is sending the *exact* same data to the SBT in
touchup wrote:
cfraser wrote:
touchup: are you absolutely sure you're decoding the FLACs on your
server? If I don't, *then* I can hear a diff, but otherwise: nope,
sounds like the WAVs (which I also keep for everything). Edit: because
of course, the server is sending the *exact* same
pski wrote:
touchup wrote:
At least turn off the display or the results are tragic.
zz
Tragic? Yes, indeed ;)
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thought I would post this here as it is relevant to TT3.0
how about using an alsa buffer value of -1 ? this produces quite a
difference to the sound - Alsa uses a different method to calculate the
period and buffer size, I think it is worth trying, sound is a bit more
out of the speakers, the
touchup wrote:
That's how I found out that WAVs at least to my ears sound so
consistently better. I cannot explain why. I know it shouldn't, but
there it is.
Don't worry, it drives me nuts what some changes do. I can't explain
them either, the craziest (to me) being the size of the ALSA
lake_eleven wrote:
Looks like you guys have done it TheOctavist and NoRoDa, you guys
dont need Squeezebox anymore, but you need a squeezed box.ahahaha
Well, I've tried to listen without seeing to a factory SBT vs a modded
one with TT3.0 and got the guts to tell about it ;)
Rgds
NoRoDa wrote:
Well, I've tried to listen without seeing to a factory SBT vs a modded
one with TT3.0 and got the guts to tell about it ;)
Rgds
Don't know about your setup, I could tell the difference between them,
But which one sounds better is a different story!.
lake_eleven wrote:
Don't know about your setup, I could tell the difference between them,
But which one sounds better is a different story!.
Me too, could hear a difference in blind tests. The factory SBT was
preferred every time.
Regards
Seem to be quite a few trying to soften the forward aggressive sound,
with pc tweeks any pointers on making it a little more forward and
aggressive?
cheers
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lake_eleven wrote:
Don't know about your setup, I could tell the difference between them,
But which one sounds better is a different story!.
Enjoy the SBT for what it is - a bargain n/w streamer, that plays your
music. Do TT mods make a difference? MAYBE. Depends on so many factors
that are
NoRoDa wrote:
Me too, could hear a difference in blind tests. The factory SBT was
preferred every time.
Would that be the factory in China?
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magiccarpetride wrote:
Would that be the factory in China?
nope, the one close to your lane.
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Jeff Flowerday;698972 Wrote:
That's why lots of us run the stock Logitech priorities with the rest of
TT 3.0 mods.
Just 'cause you enjoy the loss of the remote, like to have the screen
switched off and feel the need to drill a hole in the wall for the
ethernet cable? :D :D
The TT3.0 doesn't
SBGK;698976 Wrote:
I would agree, TT3.0 sounds pretty awful in my system as well, I found
it unlistenable. But, things have moved on, the priority settings above
are a vast improvement on TT3.0 and the Touch default settings, so maybe
you need to have a triple blind test which include these
darrell;698981 Wrote:
There seems to be a misunderstanding here - A double blind test is not
so called because you are testing 2 alternatives. It is double blind
because neither the person or persons taking part in the test, nor the
organiser of the test know which of the alternatives is in
NoRoDa;699010 Wrote:
Just 'cause you enjoy the loss of the remote, like to have the screen
switched off and feel the need to drill a hole in the wall for the
ethernet cable? :D :D
The TT3.0 doesn't improve the sound, so why bother?
Regards
I leave IR on actually and could use my $70
NoRoDa;698970 Wrote:
Our problem? The best sound in the house on every test came from the
wireless connected factory default SBT!
So yes, there is a difference when implementing TT3.0, it makes the SBT
sound worse*.
Not surprising. Mods that make things sound -different- aren't always
Jeff Flowerday;699032 Wrote:
I leave IR on actually and could use my $70 wireless bridge if I wasn't
wired already.
You haven't done your test with the default priorites so how do you
know? You are discounting all the mods on your dislike of the default
TT 3 priorities which are what
SBGK;698976 Wrote:
so maybe you need to have a triple blind test which include these
settings.
Of course, that's what all the naysayers have been missing. To really
detect the effects of these revolutionary mods one needs an equally
revolutionary test method: triple blind. Please, do tell
aubuti;699050 Wrote:
of course, that's what all the naysayers have been missing. To really
detect the effects of these revolutionary mods one needs an equally
revolutionary test method: Triple blind. Please, do tell exactly how
that works
lol!
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NoRoDa;699044 Wrote:
IR and no screen? How is that useful?
I have gadgets to browse the music library. I like hitting pause
quickly on my harmony remote to answer the phone/door or run to the
beer fridge.
The screen on the touch is too small from a large distance to be useful
at all.
Our
NoRoDa;698970 Wrote:
Try harder ;)
Today I participated in a blind test between two SBTs, a true
eye-opener!!
Differences? Hell yeah, a WLAN factory default SBT with Teddy PSU does
sound different from a wired-LAN HWmod TT3.0 default SBT with Teddy
PSU!
We took turns listening while
magiccarpetride;699086 Wrote:
Try even harder! There could not be any differences in the sound quality
between two SBTs. It's just not scientifically possible. You guys are
merely imagining things. How can Teddy PSU realistically make any
difference? Explain that if you can!
Your two
NoRoDa;699102 Wrote:
Your two personalities really should have different usernames in here
;)
The thrill of blind testing differences is that you don't have to think
about things like is it possible or the bias in your brain telling you
what to hear when you know what is playing.
Give
It doesn't have to be valid for anyone but yourself now, does it?
For me it's the what do I prefer that is important. Not what anyone
else might believe. ;)
I now know that i prefer my SBT in it's original condition, with my
Teddy Pardo PSU connected. IMO the TT3.0 does make a change, it's just
NoRoDa;699122 Wrote:
It doesn't have to be valid for anyone but yourself now, does it?
For me it's the what do I prefer that is important. Not what anyone
else might believe. ;)
I now know that i prefer my SBT in it's original condition, with my
Teddy Pardo PSU connected. IMO the TT3.0 does
1. Post results of sweep tests with calibrated microphones and static
microphones and speakers (and amps, and everything else) that indicate
improvement.
2. Admit digital is beyond your comprehension.
3. Bask in glory for your contributions.
Which of these is LEAST likely?
1.
p
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TheOctavist;698714 Wrote:
more veiled attacks from MCR I see.
I tried installing TT 3.0 again today. listened all day.
i cant hear any difference, but I think this is only because they dont
exist and can't exist in our universe governed by our laws of physics,
thermodynamics,
PIDJIVEALSA=`pidof jive_alsa` #def: 45
#PIDJIVE=`pidof jive` #def: -
PIDSIRQTASKLET0=`pidof sirq-tasklet/0` #def: 89 interrupt handler -
should be higher then interrupts
PIDSIRQHRTIMER=`pidof sirq-hrtimer/0` #def: 40 htimer of rtkernel -
should be also very high
PIDWATCHDOG=`pidof watchdog/0`
magiccarpetride;698667 Wrote:
Perhaps a better analogy would be the difference in enjoying someone
playing a red Les Paul vs that same person playing a gold top Les Paul.
Both guitars should sound pretty much the same, but it's that darn
difference in colors that can influence how the music
DaveWr;698858 Wrote:
In exactly the same way as the TT mods.beauty in the eye of the
beholder.
Aye, Captain Obvious!
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TheOctavist;698714 Wrote:
I tried installing TT 3.0 again today. listened all day.
i cant hear any difference, but I think this is only because they dont
exist and can't exist in our universe governed by our laws of physics,
thermodynamics, electricity, IT, etc..
Try harder ;)
Today
NoRoDa;698970 Wrote:
Try harder ;)
Today I participated in a blind test between two SBTs, a true
eye-opener!!
Differences? Hell yeah, a WLAN factory default SBT with Teddy PSU does
sound different from a wired-LAN HWmod TT3.0 default SBT with Teddy
PSU!
We took turns listening while
NoRoDa;698970 Wrote:
Try harder ;)
Today I participated in a blind test between two SBTs, a true
eye-opener!!
Differences? Hell yeah, a WLAN factory default SBT with Teddy PSU does
sound different from a wired-LAN HWmod TT3.0 default SBT with Teddy
PSU!
We took turns listening while
SBGK;698853 Wrote:
well, plenty people on the interweb report hearing differences, so maybe
it is your setup or your hearing. Don't buy any more hi-fi or any music
above mp3 quality as you will be wasting your money.
it is quite easy to monitor what the changes are doing inside the touch
SBGK;698976 Wrote:
...a triple blind test which include these settings.
There seems to be a misunderstanding here - A double blind test is not
so called because you are testing 2 alternatives. It is double blind
because neither the person or persons taking part in the test, nor the
organiser
more veiled attacks from MCR I see.
I tried installing TT 3.0 again today. listened all day.
i cant hear any difference, but I think this is only because they dont
exist and can't exist in our universe governed by our laws of physics,
thermodynamics, electricity, IT, etc..
Maybe one day
HumanMedia;698447 Wrote:
Not completely true. In the tt sbt settings try raising the tcp buffers
without a corresponding alsa priority increase - it will make the sound
like a 1950s radio, you can also add clicks, pops and scratches which do
not correct themselves over time. Choosing
rgro;698486 Wrote:
But creating artifacts and strange noises only demonstrates that
negative consequences exist
A likely explanation of this is that the stock SBT, working within it's
correct operational parameters, delivers the correct stream of 1s and 0s
to the DAC, and that changing the
chill;698488 Wrote:
A likely explanation of this is that the stock SBT, working within it's
correct operational parameters, delivers the correct stream of 1s and
0s to the DAC, and that changing the priorities etc, as described by
HumanMedia, merely takes the SBT outside its correct
HumanMedia;698447 Wrote:
Not completely true. In the tt sbt settings try raising the tcp buffers
without a corresponding alsa priority increase - it will make the sound
like a 1950s radio, you can also add clicks, pops and scratches which do
not correct themselves over time. Choosing
chill;698488 Wrote:
A likely explanation of this is that the stock SBT, working within it's
correct operational parameters, delivers the correct stream of 1s and
0s to the DAC, and that changing the priorities etc, as described by
HumanMedia, merely takes the SBT outside its correct
Phil Leigh;698494 Wrote:
Whatever this is doing, it is NOT altering the data content (bit values)
of the Bitstream. Digital audio simply doesn't work like that. It might
be causing delays or disturbances in the throughput of the data,
causing loss of clock sync in the DAC (scratching
Phil Leigh;698326 Wrote:
Merely measure them. Could not hear any difference - I did try - even
with my super wonderful headphones!
I have an odd question for you, and I'm asking it just for future
reference: was there ever a change, or an event that you've introduced
into your audio system
rgro;698486 Wrote:
1. These priority and buffer settings do, in fact, have a bearing on
overall sound quality and
2. If point #1 is true, then is it possible that the Logitech
engineers/designers had settled on a combination of settings that was
good, but perhaps not the very best.
If
magiccarpetride;698599 Wrote:
If you go back and re-read discussions pertaining to many attempts to
improve SBT, you will see that, overall, Logitech engineers/designers
etc. seem to be firmly standing the ground that such a thing is a
pathetic pipe dream. In other words, according to the
garym;698602 Wrote:
Please point out even one or two posts where an official logitech person
has discussed the soundcheck mods, one way or the other. There has
certainly been feedback from the user community, but I'd say LOGITECH
themselves have been silent on this issue rather than
magiccarpetride;698605 Wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shill
I could have guessed you'd have no actual answer. Thanks for
confirming.
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magiccarpetride;698599 Wrote:
If you go back and re-read discussions pertaining to many attempts to
improve SBT, you will see that, overall, Logitech engineers/designers
etc. seem to be firmly standing the ground that such a thing is a
pathetic pipe dream. In other words, according to the
rgro;698616 Wrote:
And, certainly, there is lots of precedent here for 3rd parties to
improve the product where Logitech didn't have the available resources
(Triode's USB work being a recent and prime example) to devote.
Even as a shill, I completely agree.
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rgro;698616 Wrote:
While I agree, in principle, that there are unanswered questions, I also
don't ever recall seeing an official Logitech response/explanation of
this particular issue, either. Which is why I asked for one in my
other post.
I don't see why it would be such a huge deal if,
magiccarpetride;698595 Wrote:
I have an odd question for you, and I'm asking it just for future
reference: was there ever a change, or an event that you've introduced
into your audio system that resulted in you actually hearing the
differences? If yes, could you please describe the change?
Phil Leigh;698619 Wrote:
Do you have ANY idea why I find this post offensive?
I regret if you find it offensive, it wasn't my intention. I'm asking
because all I can recall is you always denying that there could be any
difference in hearing various configurations, so I was naturally
wondering
magiccarpetride;698621 Wrote:
I regret if you find it offensive, it wasn't my intention. I'm asking
because all I can recall is you always denying that there could be any
difference in hearing various configurations, so I was naturally
wondering if you've been in the situation where you do
Phil Leigh;698630 Wrote:
OK, I'll assume you didn't mean it the way I read it.
1) I have never denied any such thing (except for the so-called vol
lock mod which can NEVER work in this universe) - you have me confused
with someone else. Your friend clearly has reality issues...
2) Yes,
magiccarpetride;698641 Wrote:
No I don't dig. Brand new strings easily go out of tune, but settle
after some (mis)use. How does that relate to audio reproduction?
Assume that you have fitted the strings properly and pre-stretched them
correctly...
It's really not a hard analogy...
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Phil Leigh;698647 Wrote:
Assume that you have fitted the strings properly and pre-stretched them
correctly...
It's really not a hard analogy...
Perhaps a better analogy would be the difference in enjoying someone
playing a red Les Paul vs that same person playing a gold top Les Paul.
Both
praganj;698232 Wrote:
Has anybody tried TT 3.0 with the new 7.7.2 LMS and newest 7.7.2 SBT
firmware version ?
Has anyone tried the workaround for factory reset that worked for the
7.7.1 update?
That is:
1) From the SBT console: tt -r
2) Reboot
3) Install update via SBT screen menu
4) From
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magiccarpetride;697922 Wrote:
Were you able to hear those differences, or merely measure them?
Merely measure them. Could not hear any difference - I did try - even
with my super wonderful headphones!
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You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it
ain't
magiccarpetride;697908 Wrote:
I'd be curious: are you claiming that there is a scientifically based
set of tools that can create optimal speaker placement in one's room?
Really? Is there a link? How much does it cost? Why are state of the
art audio dealerships not using it, instead of
magiccarpetride;697915 Wrote:
I must say that you raise a good point here. Maybe that's exactly the
case here? Could it be that by tinkering with the priorities and
tasklets, we are in effect 'ameliorating' the bitstream, meaning adding
signal that was never present on the original
Phil Leigh;698331 Wrote:
It is literally impossible to alter the data content of the bitstream in
any way by these mods. Sorry.
If that was happening, total cr@p could pour out of the speakers
like deafening static which could shred your speakers in
milliseconds.
You can't alter the
Phil Leigh;698328 Wrote:
There's loads of pro level software that can do this in conjunction with
measurement mics.
All pro recording/production studios are designed+tweaked using these
tools.
Links? What's the ballpark price tag we're talking? I sure could use
such utilities, provided
Phil Leigh;698326 Wrote:
Merely measure them. Could not hear any difference - I did try - even
with my super wonderful headphones!
I can't recall -- did you also perform measurements for the digital
outs? And if yes, what are the measurement results?
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Hi,
My SBT with TT3 and volume mod enabled sounds louder when played from
my NAS than from W7. Any idea how it is possible?
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evdplancke;698434 Wrote:
Hi,
My SBT with TT3 and volume mod enabled sounds louder when played from
my NAS than from W7. Any idea how it is possible?
Check the audio setting on both Lms for whether replay gain values are
being used in playback.
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magiccarpetride;698370 Wrote:
I can't recall -- did you also perform measurements for the digital
outs? And if yes, what are the measurement results?
Yes I did measure it but I did not publish the results because I did
not have time to go to the same lengths of precision and repetition as
for
Phil Leigh;698331 Wrote:
It is literally impossible to alter the data content of the bitstream in
any way by these mods. Sorry.
If that was happening, total cr@p could pour out of the speakers
like deafening static which could shred your speakers in
milliseconds.
You can't alter the
To reset do I choose restore defaults or is there a button to push on
the touch?
J
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jmschnur;698460 Wrote:
To reset do I choose restore defaults or is there a button to push on
the touch?
J
Restore defaults and a reboot avoids the need to push the rest button.
But only if you are going from 7.7.0 or 7.7.1 to 7.7.2, otherwise its
probably wise to do a factory reset by
Thanks , is to 4.0 coming or should I reinstall 3.0 after I reset.
J
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lake_eleven;697947 Wrote:
Removed toslink this weekend. Disconnected the screen too. Worth the
try!. Much reduced digital harsh/noise, better imaging, depth and
details.
you mean reduced hash right? in my sys it was significant-- was
prepared to put the toslink back in if there was no
I have just done a system update and TT3.0 is still installed but Jive 2
is disabled. Is there a command to switch it back on?
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Covenant;698194 Wrote:
I have just done a system update and TT3.0 is still installed but Jive 2
is disabled. Is there a command to switch it back on?
You have to make a complete SBT reset, than make the firmware update
and than install (if you want) TT 3.0.
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Just being lazy and was hoping there was a way to avoid a system
reinstall.
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Has anybody tried TT 3.0 with the new 7.7.2 LMS and newest 7.7.2 SBT
firmware version ?
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When I try to access it , I see the help menu but when I try to check
status I get a -sh tt not found remark.
What is going on?
J
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If I remember correctly, TT doesn't survive Touch firmware updates. LMS
updates generally have no negative effect, but if the LMS update also
triggers a firmware update, the new firmware overwrites everything in
the Touch. Unfortunately, I think you'll need to do a complete
reinstall. A bit of
Yes. I will think about it . Strange when I access the touch. I do see
the tt menu.
J
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jmschnur;698257 Wrote:
Yes. I will think about it . Strange when I access the touch. I do see
the tt menu.
J
You will see that and some odd error messages (when you type tt -s) if
you haven't done a full factory reset of the Touch, first. Otherwise,
there are some artifacts left behind
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