RE: [Aus-soaring] IS28 ADs (was Reasons NOT to spin for fun)

2004-09-22 Thread John Parncutt
Bernard, I think there may be some confusion in your mind regaring the Puchacz Quote the A/C was taken out of service well before reaching its 3000 hr limit due to an ever growing number of loose rivets. Today - a mere 6 years later - the value of the A/C is down to scrap metal. Unquote The

Re: [Aus-soaring] IS28

2004-09-22 Thread Peter Stephenson
We had the same mod on our IS30 and is has been removed for a reason I am not privy to. I did not like it anyway so I am glad it has gone. PeterS - Original Message - From: Jason Armistead [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Aus-soaring] Truly Boring

2004-09-22 Thread Christopher Mc Donnell
Today at Adelaide Hills Soaring Group Emilis I (OFTTH's)weeded Salvation Jane (Patterson's Curse) along the side of the strip.We even had an after lunch siesta. I hope most of the rest of you enjoyed your day working indoors. :-) Christopher McDonnell"Womma Mu Kurta"Mount Barker

RE: [Aus-soaring] IS28 ADs (was Reasons NOT to spin for fun)

2004-09-22 Thread McLean Richard
re: IS28 droping in unintentionally from a thermal .. it definitely will, because I did exactly that on an early solo! .. it also loses a fair bit of height being on the heavy side .. I've never done it since then though, so it must have scared me sufficiently .. --- Derek Ruddock [EMAIL

Re: RE: [Aus-soaring] IS28 ADs (was Reasons NOT to spin for fun)

2004-09-22 Thread Richard Neale
I was trained on Southern Cross's IS28s. I remember the first time a spin was demonstrated to me: I had no idea it would be so fast and so (comparitively) violent. I recall putting my hands up onto the canopy to brace myself -- all I could see out the front was the ground, rapidly rotating. Of

RE: [Aus-soaring] IS28

2004-09-22 Thread Derek Ruddock
The reason you had it was that the IS30 is ex-Southern Cross. I think that there is some confusion over this locking pin. The 28's in SCGC have had them as long as I've been in the club (17 years), and were fitted by Tom Gilbert. The reason I always heard was that a front seat pilot had

RE: RE: [Aus-soaring] IS28 ADs (was Reasons NOT to spin for fun )

2004-09-22 Thread Derek Ruddock
Richard, You probably have demonstrated exactly WHY we teach people to recover from spins. If you were to inadvertently spin a single seater, and responded by placing your hands on the canopy, then I'm afraid you would be frightened for the rest of your (very short) life, unless you were lucky

Re: RE: [Aus-soaring] IS28 ADs (was Reasons NOT to spin for fun)

2004-09-22 Thread Brian Wade
The followingextracts from the CGC pilot handling notes for the IS-30 and IS-29D might be of interest to thoseinvolved inthe debate on spinning their "cousin", the IS-28. The notes were drafted toassist pilots with conversion to type. IS-30 The Incipient Spin Being a mild mannered

RE: [Aus-soaring] IS28 ADs (was Reasons NOT to spin for fun)

2004-09-22 Thread BC Eckey
John, you are right. In the second paragraph of my posting it should have read Puchatek and not Puchacz. My sincere apologies. Bernard Eckey 10 Antigua Grove West Lakes 5021 Adelaide / South Australia Ph. +61 8 8449 2871 Fax +61 8 8242 3698 mobile 0412 981204 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: RE: RE: [Aus-soaring] IS28 ADs (was Reasons NOT to spin for fun )

2004-09-22 Thread Jarek Mosiejewski
It’s been noticed in this thread that all Polish gliders to spin. This is, I believe reflected in the way Polish glider pilots are trained. Being fully trained Polish pilot (mid 70’) and having flown in Australia for more than 10 years, I though I might share my experience. Firstly, every

RE: RE: RE: [Aus-soaring] IS28 ADs (was Reasons NOT to spin for fun )

2004-09-22 Thread Derek Ruddock
Probably the reason Australian instructors are dismissive of this technique is that nobody flies at the stall and gives a bootful of rudder. An accidental spin is more likely to be entered by poor thermalling technique, or by the stress of a poor circuit, with an attempt at stretching a glide.

Re: RE: RE: [Aus-soaring] IS28 ADs (was Reasons NOT to spin for fun )

2004-09-22 Thread Mike Borgelt
At 09:57 AM 23/09/04 +1000, you wrote: It’s been noticed in this thread that all Polish gliders to spin. This is, I believe reflected in the way Polish glider pilots are trained. Being fully trained Polish pilot (mid 70’) and having flown in Australia for more than 10 years, I though I might

RE: RE: RE: [Aus-soaring] IS28 ADs (was Reasons NOT to spin for f un )

2004-09-22 Thread Kittel, Stephen W (ETSA)
-Original Message- From: Mike Borgelt Thanks Jarek, now do we have anyone here who knows what is done in Germany and the US? Mike I can't give a good answer to your question but I would like to know too. I was under the impression (like most glider pilots in Australia) that

RE: RE: RE: [Aus-soaring] IS28 ADs (was Reasons NOT to spin for fun )

2004-09-22 Thread Catherine Conway
At the time part of AUGC's decision to buy the Puchatek was because we could use it for spin training to replace our Bocian. I think the polish glider characteristic of requiring correct spin recovery technique is good. Unfortunately many german built types let you off with partial recovery. We

[Aus-soaring] Spinning Cessna's C172

2004-09-22 Thread Michael Texler
I had a quiet chuckle reading Cathy's story regarding spinning Cessna's. When I did my initial PPL training, I asked my instructor about spinning the C172. No problem, he said. Out we went to the Parafield training area, climbed to 4,000' AMSL and spun the sucker (you really had to abuse the

[Aus-soaring] Symbols

2004-09-22 Thread Ronald E Baker
Hi all, I recently found a "List of Symbols" (Aerodynamic!) that has come from some Aerodynamics book. Anyone who would like a copy (7 small pages) I am willing to have them copied for the cost of the copying and postage. Cheers, Ron Baker. ___

Re: [Aus-soaring] Trailer

2004-09-22 Thread Jason Armistead
Ron I have some friends that live on Commenarra Parkway, and will be seeing them this weekend, so perhaps I could ask them to door-knock the address on the brochure you attached and a couple either side to see if anyone knows what became of David Hart. According to the GFA's online