On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 07:47:12 -, Khazeh Fananapazir
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>The French translation is very similar to a Passage from the Writings which
> is recorded in the Promised Day is Come and I will append that so that you
> will see dear Gilberto most clearly the difference [ie the d
Dear Khazeh,
Could you provide that long French passage in English? Or maybe
provide a reference I could look up online?
On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:02:23 -, Khazeh Fananapazir
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gilberto:
> **Yes. But I think we've gone over this. Yes, Bahá'ís say the Quran is the
> w
Dear Khazeh,
Could you provide that long French passage in English? Or maybe
provide a reference I could look up online?
On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:02:23 -, Khazeh Fananapazir
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gilberto:
> **Yes. But I think we've gone over this. Yes, Bahá'ís say the Quran is the
> wo
Gilberto,
At 04:35 PM 12/20/2004, you wrote:
>>On the other hand, the passage you quote from the writings say that "every
>>community" has fallen into the grasp of foolish leaders.<<
IMO, He refers to those leaders as foolish because they are out of touch with
the Will of God for their age.
W
Dear Gilbrerto,
In a message to Khazeh you wrote:
On the other hand, the passage you quote from the writings
say that
"every community" has fallen into the grasp of foolish
leaders. That
for them the holy word has become a dead letter. That the lamp
of
conscience and reason has been quenched (pu
Gilberto Simpson
Sent: 20 December 2004 22:35
Gilberto:
So would it be fair to say that the Nahjul Balagha is completely
endorsed by the Bahai faith? Are the writings and teachings of Ahmad
al-Ahsai also completely endorsed?
Peace
Gilberto
Dear Gilberto
Your important letter had two further
Gilberto:
**Yes. But I think we've gone over this. Yes, Bahá'ís say the Quran is the
word of God. Yes Bahá'ís say Muhammad is a Manifestation. Yes, Bahá'ís even
say that the imams are similar to the manifestations in certain respects.
But Bahá'ís also say that the leaders of the Muslims (among othe
On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 22:00:38 -, Khazeh Fananapazir
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear Gilberto
> In a message [...]
> you write in relation to two passages below that it appears as if Dr Mark
> Foster's point contradicts the Utterance of the Sacred Iqan
Gilberto:
Sure. The passage you chose t
Dear Gilberto
In a message
http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist/m42611.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu/msg01649.html
you write in relation to two passages below that it appears as if Dr Mark
Foster's point contradicts the Utterance of the Sacred Iqan and you were
wonder
Gilberto,
At 06:53 AM 12/20/2004, you wrote:
>>Why would you bother to thank Mark for his words and call them well said.
>>When everything else you wrote contradicts it?<<
IMO, the passages quoted by Dr. Khazeh Fananapazir refer to issues of
contextualization, not to the power of the Revelatio
On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 07:43:56 -, Khazeh Fananapazir
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gilberto,
> At 07:54 PM 12/19/2004, you wrote:
Gilberto:
> >>So what is the difference you are making between a religion being "dead"
> and the divine intentionality for a particular religion being at an end?<<
Gilberto,
At 07:54 PM 12/19/2004, you wrote:
>>So what is the difference you are making between a religion being "dead"
and the divine intentionality for a particular religion being at an end?<<
I would never be so presumptuous to say that a divinely revealed religion,
or branch of that religi
Gilberto,
At 07:54 PM 12/19/2004, you wrote:
>>So what is the difference you are making between a religion being "dead" and
>>the divine intentionality for a particular religion being at an end?<<
I would never be so presumptuous to say that a divinely revealed religion, or
branch of that reli
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 18:53:14 -0600, Mark A. Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>. A Revelation doesn't lose its validity or its influence because of
the appearance of a new Messenger.
> IMO, some Baha'is have taken `Abdu'l-Baha's "seasonal" metaphor a bit too
> far. In the spiritual "winter" of
Gilberto,
At 06:35 PM 12/19/2004, you wrote:
>>So when if the Bab said each religion of the past was fit to be universal,
>>you are taking "universal" in terms of space, but not in terms of being valid
>>for all times?<<
IMO, it depends on how you define "valid for all times." IMO, a Revelatio
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 18:31:21 -0600, Mark A. Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gilberto,
> At 06:22 PM 12/19/2004, you wrote:
> >>So how "universal" is "universal"? Would it apply to all times? All places?
> >>If we still have the Quran then couldn't Islam continue to be universal?
Mark:
> My
Gilberto,
At 06:22 PM 12/19/2004, you wrote:
>>So how "universal" is "universal"? Would it apply to all times? All places?
>>If we still have the Quran then couldn't Islam continue to be universal?<<
My understanding is that each divine Revelation was globally applicable to to
human requiremen
YES That's the quote I was thinking of. It's weird though. I
had a really hard time trying to find it on the true seeker website.
So how "universal" is "universal"? Would it apply to all times? All
places? If we still have the Quran then couldn't Islam continue to be
universal?
Peace
Gilb
>>I think you're thinking of as statement of the Bab, but I don't remember
>>enough to search for it.<<
"In the Bayan the Bab says that every religion of the past was fit to become
universal. The only reason why they failed to attain that mark was the
incompetence of their followers. He then
At 3:58 PM -0500 12/19/04, Gilberto Simpson wrote:
>On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 01:41:21 -0900, Sandra Chamberlain
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Some time ago you wrote: <> And I thought there was a passage
>> actually in the writings saying that previous religions (at
>> least Islam) was intended to be
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 01:41:21 -0900, Sandra Chamberlain
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Some time ago you wrote: <> And I thought there was a passage
> actually in the writings saying that previous religions (at
> least Islam) was intended to be universal but the blamed the
> behavior of the follower
Dear Gilberto,
Forgive me, I neglected to include your comment; the
perplexing one ... : ) in my last post and which I offered
some Bibical verses in response.
This was your comment:
<> For me personally, the Gospels made more sense when I
realized that the disciples were kind of like sufis. N
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