RE: Kenny's choice

2003-03-02 Thread Mary Shaver
Kenny, you may find that you won't be spending $45,000 in vet bills, but as many of us have learned, you can't own just one berner at a time. I discovered when I adopted my second berner, Bailey, through our Rescue, that my "free" rescue dog cost me nearly $30,000 - not in vet bills, but in the co

Faith acheives her U-CD

2003-03-02 Thread A Allen
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Re: Kenny's choice

2003-03-02 Thread HenochNJ
I agree that pet insurance is a good idea, but one should be aware that there are many exclusions. My Maddie ate about 3 feet of couch last fall when she was 4 or 5 months old...took her to the emerg. vet for treatment and the cost was covered. However, all her diagnostics/treatments for elbow d

Karen and Stevie

2003-03-02 Thread Karen McFarlane
Dear List, Well it is now Sunday evening and we have been through yet another rough period. This time I was the one with the problem but of course it directly effects Stevie. A well intentioned lady from my community brought over a lovely casserole because she felt that we had had a rough go of it

BMDCC Specialty Fundraisers 2003

2003-03-02 Thread Robin Camken
Hello Everyone, Just to let you know, the Bernese Mountain Dog Club of Canada will be holding two fundraising events at the 2003 Specialty in Ottawa this coming May. We will be having a raffle draw and a silent auction. The BMDCC Specialty Raffle will be held on the show site immediately followi

Re: MH Questions

2003-03-02 Thread Bernersrit
In a message dated 3/2/2003 12:45:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << How many Berners are diagnosed with MH just on a vet's "best guess" and not confirmed with testing supporting this guess? >> Good point, Cathy. When Arrow died at 22 months we pursued pathology through

RE: Cost of a Berner

2003-03-02 Thread Andrea Brin
don't forget the resources we have at www.berner.org http://www.berner.org/compilations/pdf_links.htm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 7:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Cost of a Berner Kenn

Cost of a Berner

2003-03-02 Thread Tschuggen
Kenny Thanks for opening up this valuable conversation with your question about the cost of keeping a Berner - healthy or not.It's the kind of issue that once you has fallen in love with a dog (or person, horse or car)most of us don't necessarily care to examine. I would encourage any prospecti

RE: ...not Frito feet

2003-03-02 Thread Rose Tierney
Ladies ladies, What is this foot sniffing fetish?? Can't say much for American popcorn Bleh:-0 Rose T. -Original Message- From: L. Montoya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 2, 2003 9:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Berner-L Subject: Re: ...not Frito feet Wouldn't this depend on where

RE: Kenny's choice

2003-03-02 Thread Rose Tierney
Hi Kenny, It is prudent in this day and age to invest in Veterinary Insurance, some folk feel it's a waste of money until the day they have a major crisis with their dog. I recommend to all my puppy owners to insure their dogs. Lisa goes to every length to treat her dog's ailments and spares no exp

Fwd: News From Hearts United for Animals

2003-03-02 Thread HSCP
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Re: MH Questions

2003-03-02 Thread Molly Bass
Hi Cathy, I know with my Bianca they diagnosed her through a bone marrow biopsy. Also the symptoms and the rapid onset gave them a clue. Her cancer was in her bone marrow thus the blood work they continued to do was not giving them any answers = x-rays were clear, but there was something defini

goldens and berners

2003-03-02 Thread Wendewen22
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RE: Dogs in Cars

2003-03-02 Thread Patricia McIlveen
Esta, My dogs love the car too, and would much prefer waiting for me there than at home. I take them most everywhere with me, from short errands to longer trips. *However* I am extremely careful about heat and ventilation. Even on cool days, bright sunshine can heat the inside of a car and pose

Re: BERNER-L digest 4302

2003-03-02 Thread EKDAL3
Hello List My dog loves driving in the car and will happily stay in the back seat as long as he is with me. If one had to leave a dog in a crate for three house or in the back seat of the car for three hours, which would you recommend? Esta Dalsass

Re:Healther care for Berners/Was Kennys Choice

2003-03-02 Thread Ray & Pat Burgett
We have always had three to five Bernese, plus two or more cats and two horses. I just went back thru 3 years of vet bills. The largest year was $1700.00 and the least was $1195.00. This included about $60.00 for horse shots each year and stud fee and board for our mare to the tune of $600.00 on th

Re: Do they Shed?

2003-03-02 Thread MJRD
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Re: WI regional news?

2003-03-02 Thread Annes4
In a message dated 03/02/2003 2:58:10 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << news from the WI regional anyone??? >> Gee, thought no one would ever ask . Sweepstakes: Best in Sweeps: 15 - 18 mo. dog - Mnt Spirit Aparition Dornbusch, breeder: Mylene Turbide, owner: Marie Wright &

Rowyn's hips

2003-03-02 Thread Susan Wilkinson
I took my rescue boy Rowyn to work with me the other day. I had a double agenda -- I've been diligently treating a chronic filthy ear on him off and on since I got him in May '02 and felt it was time to have a proper look at it and flush it out. I knew from past attempts at proper looks, that sed

Kenny

2003-03-02 Thread Betsy Brainard
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Re: My Berner Opinion

2003-03-02 Thread iguanalove
Kenny, this is a truly special breed. I've not found one that is more personable, loving, communicative. My experience with our one dog is that our costs were about average with the added one or two nighttime emergency room trips (foxtails in the mouth once) over seven years. If you had asked me

WI regional news?

2003-03-02 Thread LEKesner
...news from the WI regional anyone??? Libby Kesner Voorheesville NY USA

Re: My Berner Opinion

2003-03-02 Thread Liz Steinweg & Crew
Kenny -- All of us have to make the decisions which are ultimately "best" for us. Nobody can make those decisions for us - although some may condemn us for them ;-( Not wanting to spend thousands of dollars to prolong the life of a terminally ill pet is not a crime. Some on this List would disagr

Hair There and Everywhere!

2003-03-02 Thread Lisa D Allen
Or, as the local Berner club likes to say, they shed once, for 365 days. I don't mind pet hair at all. I probably wouldn't know how to breathe in air without it! The breeder of my first two Bernese told me, 20 years ago, that she cannot even slice open a baked potato without finding dog hair in

AKC/CHF Puppy Buyer's Guide to the Internet

2003-03-02 Thread Sharon Montville
Check it out! http://www.akcchf.org/news/press/releases/byrguide.htm A Puppy Buyer’s Guide to the Internet: Online Resources to Find and Raise a Healthy Purebred Dog Sharon Montville - Colorado __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calcula

My Berner Opinion

2003-03-02 Thread Kenneth L Babcock
First off I'd like to thank everyone that has offered their opinions and experiences both good and bad. It seems like your mailing group contains a very diverse collection of Bernese Mountain Dog lovers! Some seem to dwell the negative while others embrace the positive. At this point I don't se

RE: MH Questions

2003-03-02 Thread Pat Long & Paul Dangel
Cathy, There is only one way that I know of to positively diagnose malignant histiocytosis, and that is by examination of a tumor sample, obtained either by biopsy or post mortem. That is also Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center's team's preferred diagnostic method as well. They have been accep

RE: Help!

2003-03-02 Thread Rose Tierney
Hi Melissa, I hope you had Loki's urine checked again and possibly a culture done. UTI's can be particularly stubborn and sometimes a longer course of medication with a specific antibiotic is required. Rather than crate her in the event she still has some infection continuing I would restrict her

RE: To Berner or not to Berner?? Or Bernese and Goldens

2003-03-02 Thread Rose Tierney
Hi Mary, A comment in your post intrigues me:-) I have asked this occasionally of PPO's, and the conventional answer is that that goldens have gotten too popular. They generally like everything about the goldens except their popularity. Are they changing from a Golden because they feel the bree

NaturalBerners List is Temporarly Disabled

2003-03-02 Thread Deb Tripp
Please note that the Yahoo Group "NaturalBerners" is temporarly disabled for posting. We are experiencing big problems and I am hoping that at some point Yahoo will assist - I have no idea when that will happen. Please refrain from sending any posts until further notice - they will be bounced any

MH Questions

2003-03-02 Thread Burlile\\MemoriesBMDs
A recent post has highlighted some questions about definitively diagnosing malignant histiocytosis (MH) back to mind .. Just how *exactly* is a definitive diagnosis of MH made? What testing does the Fred Hutchinson Center for Cancer deem definitive of MH for sample submissions? I am of the

Re: Do they Shed?

2003-03-02 Thread Canine-Corner
YES, but they are seasonal shedders- they shed twice a year for 6 months! :-) Bernerfur is a regular 'spice' around here... ~Rebecca (owned by Bernese since 1989) Canine-Corner "from hair to heel" Grooming & Training Red Hook, NY and/or Mid-Hudson Kennel Association, Ltd. Referral Chair/Instructo

RE: Nuschi's puppies

2003-03-02 Thread Rose Tierney
Hi Molly, What wonderful news, you must be thrilled and I'd like to be the first to reserve Duck because I need a shorter leg on a breeding partner to Phoebe's only child. We are the proud parents of Moose:-) Rose -Original Message- From: Molly Bass [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 1

Re: Kenny's choice

2003-03-02 Thread Liz Steinweg & Crew
Kenny -- I don't believe you will find that 30X purchase price to be at all typical - however, it is possible - especially if your dog lives to be a veteran and develops any kind of serious health problem. We don't have that kind of money either! However, we spent over $1000 in a two week period

Re: Nuschi's pups, cont.....

2003-03-02 Thread Jeff & Mary Chapdelaine - SnoBear berners
Hi Molly, One of our girls who could never conceive but loves puppies holds the record here for the number of babies she "gave birth to." After working outside all of one day, I came inside to find her under the dining room table with her "new litter" of 28 stuffies of all colors, sizes and animal

Nuschi's pups, cont.....

2003-03-02 Thread Molly Bass
Since I have received several congratulatory posts and questions as to where the names of Nuschi's pups originated, I thought I would let you know she is having a false pregnancy and the names are actually stuffed animals she is claiming as her babies. Since my post yesterday she has "whelped"

Re: Mastitis

2003-03-02 Thread Jeff & Mary Chapdelaine - SnoBear berners
Bill, We encountered in one of our girls almost the same scenario you have discribed in your dog. It was just one breast, and the vet cultured it to find e-coli. At four weeks of age those puppies already have sharp teeth and we feel that a puppy punctured mom's breast, which in turn left it open

Berner vs Golden

2003-03-02 Thread Kajaline
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Kenny's choice

2003-03-02 Thread Lisa D Allen
As you have noticed, I do not mince words where the welfare of the Bernese Mountain Dog is concerned because I do not feel I am serving the breed by being any less than completely honest, as my mind dictates. What I had hoped to state was that this breed has some very serious health problems and

re: Kenny's choice(long response)

2003-03-02 Thread DairBerner
Kenny wroter: >If in fact that is the going rate do you mean to tell me that I should expect to pay >$45000.00 for vet charges for my berner?> This sum is not what I would consider at all typical for the health care of the average berner. Most of us do not have the financial means to be able

Re: ...not Frito feet

2003-03-02 Thread L. Montoya
Wouldn't this depend on where the dog has been walking ??? Ahem , Laurie Montoya S. Central PA (tongue firmly in cheeky) > >>> After all, this list is where I learned my dog's feet smell like > Fritos :-) > > Marjie <<< > > No no, Marjie, you have got it all wrong. This is the list where you l

Re: Kenny's choice

2003-03-02 Thread Annes4
In a message dated 03/02/2003 8:03:01 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << If in fact that is the going rate do you mean to tell me that I should expect to pay $45000.00 for vet charges for my berner? Is there insurance available for them because $45k is way over my expected

Re: Kenny's choice

2003-03-02 Thread Kenneth L Babcock
Thanks Lisa, Although your information was very negative I apprieciate and need to know both good and bad of berner ownership. You say you paid 30X the purchase price of your berner for his illness? The breeder I met and very much liked gets $1500 per pup. If in fact that is the going rate do you

FW: AND THE WINNER IS.........(Lobby Fund raffle for black and white sketch)

2003-03-02 Thread Pat Long & Paul Dangel
Posted in plain text in case you couldn't read it! Congratulations to Marsha! Pat Long, a babysat Daisy, (& Luther) Berwyn PA -Original Message- From: TERRY ZIMMERMAN Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 10:35 PM To: berner-l; bmdcgsmembers; bmdclubs; bmdlobby; ebnetbmd1; Marsha Hargrave; meado

...not Frito feet

2003-03-02 Thread LEKesner
>>> After all, this list is where I learned my dog's feet smell like Fritos :-) Marjie <<< No no, Marjie, you have got it all wrong. This is the list where you learn your dog's feet smell like *popcorn*. Libby Kesner and the Berner girls of Maine Voorheesville NY USA

Mastitis

2003-03-02 Thread WyldBD
Hi everybody just wanted to 'pass along' info as well as ask questions about Mastitis. Our three year old girl Addy had puppies four weeks ago and has been the perfect mom. Thursday we came home about 3 and found her lifeless, throwing up and shaking in the rear. We had only been gone about tw

slightly OT (bullmastiff) breeder concerns

2003-03-02 Thread P & J Smith
Hi, Well along the lines of "Where did you get your dog" and breeder concerns over potential puppy buyer.go to the link below and you can read about the story of a bullmastiff that the breeder thought was placed in a wonderfull home. Turns out otherwise. http://www.bulhaven.com/Private%20Tyg