> http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17139
Thanks, I left a comment in that bug.
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mherger;639207 Wrote:
> > they don't already exist. If you manually enable auto-rescan, or if
> it
> > had been enabled previously,
> >
> > autorescan: 1
> >
> > then SBS does not disable it on startup. I'm not sure if actually
> runs,
> > though, or if there are other safeguards to keep if from
mherger;639207 Wrote:
> > then SBS does not disable it on startup. I'm not sure if actually
> runs,
> > though, or if there are other safeguards to keep if from running on
> > Windows.[/color]
>
> Jim - do you know whether there's a bug filed for this particular issue
>
> (pref not being reset
Revision 32611 should reset the autorescan value on Windows.
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Am 04.07.2011, 10:38 Uhr, schrieb Michael Herger :
>> they don't already exist. If you manually enable auto-rescan, or if it
>> had been enabled previously,
>>
>> autorescan: 1
>>
>> then SBS does not disable it on startup. I'
> they don't already exist. If you manually enable auto-rescan, or if it
> had been enabled previously,
>
> autorescan: 1
>
> then SBS does not disable it on startup. I'm not sure if actually runs,
> though, or if there are other safeguards to keep if from running on
> Windows.
Jim - do you know w
Steve Baumgarten;639097 Wrote:
> >> Autoscan is a nice feature if
> >> 1/ it is very reliable
> >> 2/ it is very fast
> >>
> > Exactly and my point is that if you can't accomplish that you
> shouldn't
> > do auto scan at all. There doesn't have to be an option because it
> > shouldn't even exist
>> Autoscan is a nice feature if
>> 1/ it is very reliable
>> 2/ it is very fast
>>
> Exactly and my point is that if you can't accomplish that you shouldn't
> do auto scan at all. There doesn't have to be an option because it
> shouldn't even exist unless it's reliable and fast.
What's irritating
erland;639042 Wrote:
> For me, the obvious solution on the Touch, would be to just ask the user
> a question when you plugin a new drive/stick, like "New media detected,
> do you want to scan it for music files ?"
>
> It doesn't have to have any option to turn it off, the above question
> would
nicolas75;639032 Wrote:
>
> Autoscan is a nice feature if
> 1/ it is very reliable
> 2/ it is very fast
>
Exactly and my point is that if you can't accomplish that you shouldn't
do auto scan at all. There doesn't have to be an option because it
shouldn't even exist unless it's reliable and fas
Philip Meyer;639028 Wrote:
> >MusicIP has (optionly) automatic scan.
> >The way they do it is to have check boxes.
> >
> It does, and it works fairly well, compared to other software with
> auto-scanning.
>
> However, it does miss file new files/changed files from time to time.
> Sometimes I ha
>MusicIP has (optionly) automatic scan.
>The way they do it is to have check boxes.
>
It does, and it works fairly well, compared to other software with
auto-scanning.
However, it does miss file new files/changed files from time to time.
Sometimes I have to close and re-open MusicIP to detect m
>This is the only point where we disagree.
I disagree too. I don't see manual scanning as geeky, and I don't recall any
objections to current manual scan functionality being geeky in the last 5 years
of SBS.
Other consumer devices probably have similar manual scanning situations.
iTunes, IIRC
MusicIP has (optionly) automatic scan.
The way they do it is to have check boxes.
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erland;639021 Wrote:
>
> But I suppose you realize that a non geek approach would result in
> automatic scanning since the need to do a manual scanning by itself is
> geeky.
This is the only point where we disagree.
On the contrary (it was discussed on the forum, I don't remember
where), most u
nicolas75;639014 Wrote:
>
> Testing TinySBS for only a few hours make this absolutely obvious.
>
I completely agree and if I remember correctly it was mentioned many
times during the TinySBS beta testing before the Touch release, but
unfortunately Logitech wanted to stick to the automatic solut
erland;638939 Wrote:
> The above bug is about another problem focused at SBS on a computer, but
> I think the following two are fairly good matches:
> http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5507 (Make it possible to
> request manual rescan)
> http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1656
nicolas75;638930 Wrote:
> I my opinion, we need more a bug report than a new thread.
> There is http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9687 with 5 votes,
> but nobody cares.
> This one should be closed or not ?
> Should we open another ? but it will start with 0 votes ...
>
The above bug is
erland;638922 Wrote:
> Please start a new thread if you want to discuss TinySBS, there are a
> lot of other options also missing and if I remember correctly it isn't
> possible to trigger a manual rescan with TinySBS, so it needs support
> for manual rescans if we want it to be possible to turn o
nicolas75;638918 Wrote:
>
> But I still think it should be the same for TinySBS.
> This is even more important for TinySBS than for SBS, because of its
> very limited performance.
>
Please start a new thread if you want to discuss TinySBS, there are a
lot of other options also missing and if I
JJZolx;638917 Wrote:
> Reading back through this thread, it seems we've already had this
> conversation.
>
> In your server.prefs file, what is the value of 'autorescan'?
>
> If it's '1', then autorescan is still enabled on your system. This is
> for the reason that erland and I discussed above
Reading back through this thread, it seems we've already had this
conversation.
In your server.prefs file, what is the value of 'autorescan'?
If it's '1', then autorescan is still enabled on your system. This is
for the reason that erland and I discussed above - because you were
running the beta
I am on Windows 7 x64
This is probably one of the most common OS used today, at least for new
computers, and obviously the first one which should be tested when a
user problem is reported.
(Linux flavors or NAS is for experienced users or geeks).
No Music IP, nor Itunes, or any other plugins or
nicolas75;638896 Wrote:
>
> I have always had database verification at startup and I still have.
> Even if my database is existing.
> Of course it is much faster if everything is ok, so may be you never
> noticed it.
> If your music folder (I am talking about the music folder, NOT the
> database
nicolas75;638900 Wrote:
> 1/ Start SBS and have it running fine.
>
> 2/ Stop SBS
>
> 3/ Check what's in server.log and scanner.log content
>
> 4/ Start again SBS, according to you, no rescan should occur
> whatsoever
>
> 5/ Check if there is something new in server.log and scanner.log,
> comp
JJZolx;638899 Wrote:
>
> Do you see evidence of a rescan at startup in your server.log? And if
> you go to Settings > Information, do you see it in 'Music Scan Details'
> (you should be able to tell by the date and time that the last scan
> finished)?
>
> I see neither.
1/ Start SBS and have i
nicolas75;638896 Wrote:
> Which version of SBS version are you using ?
I run both 7.5 and 7.6.
> I am using Version : 7.6.0 - r32594 @ Fri Jul 1 02:05:25 PDT 2011
>
> I have always had database verification at startup and I still have.
> Even if my database is existing.
Do you mean a library
JJZolx;638893 Wrote:
> There is no rescan on startup (except with the embedded server on
> Touch). There is an _initial_ scan if no database is found. If you
> don't want the initial scan (maybe because your library settings aren't
> yet set correctly), then it can easily be aborted.
Which versi
nicolas75;638890 Wrote:
> Even if autorescan is not enabled, it is not possible to disable rescan
> at startup.
There is no rescan on startup (except with the embedded server on
Touch). There is an _initial_ scan if no database is found. If you
don't want the initial scan (maybe because your lib
Even if autorescan is not enabled, it is not possible to disable rescan
at startup.
No music software works like that (at least popular and user friendly
ones).
Check earlier posts in this thread, or
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9687
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erland;638884 Wrote:
> As far as I can see from the code, it currently looks as follows:
> - SqueezeOS: Enabled by default
> - Windows: Disabled by default, no user interface where it's possible
> to enable
> - Linux/OSX/Others: Disabled by default, possible to enable through SBS
> Settings/Advan
JJZolx;638857 Wrote:
> I've forgotten what the recent changes to auto-rescan do on platforms
> other than Windows. Is it now disabled by default on those platforms?
>
As far as I can see from the code, it currently looks as follows:
- SqueezeOS: Enabled by default
- Windows: Disabled by default,
I've forgotten what the recent changes to auto-rescan do on platforms
other than Windows. Is it now disabled by default on those platforms?
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el_jefe;638787 Wrote:
> ... But I still firmly believe there should be an option to switch
> autorescan off.
This is obvious and this issue has been raised long time ago.
If you do think so, vote for the following bug.
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9687
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el_jefe;638787 Wrote:
> This seems to have fixed the problem, thanks a lot! But I still firmly
> believe there should be an option to switch autorescan off.
>
There is, on the platforms that support auto rescan.
On Windows it isn't supported, so it's turned off by default and there
isn't an opt
This seems to have fixed the problem, thanks a lot! But I still firmly
believe there should be an option to switch autorescan off.
JJZolx;638635 Wrote:
> I've never seen a 'database disk image is malformed' log entry, but I
> would expect SBS to rebuild the database when it thinks the database
Ha! Nice catch - I didn't even notice that line. OK. I am rebuilding
right now and I'll check what happens next time it starts. Thanks!
JJZolx;638635 Wrote:
> I've never seen a 'database disk image is malformed' log entry, but I
> would expect SBS to rebuild the database when it thinks the datab
el_jefe;638633 Wrote:
> So I don't think it believes that the library is missing - it just
> rescans automatically.
I've never seen a 'database disk image is malformed' log entry, but I
would expect SBS to rebuild the database when it thinks the database is
corrupt and can't be used. It can't op
JJZolx;638628 Wrote:
> SBS will add it back again (I just tested it) if it recognizes that the
> server is running on Windows, so I don't see what difference it will
> make. I can't see why SBS would be launching a scan at startup unless
> it thinks there's no database. That should be easy enough
JJZolx;638628 Wrote:
> SBS will add it back again (I just tested it) if it recognizes that the
> server is running on Windows, so I don't see what difference it will
> make. I can't see why SBS would be launching a scan at startup unless
> it thinks there's no database. That should be easy enough
SBS will add it back again (I just tested it) if it recognizes that the
server is running on Windows, so I don't see what difference it will
make. I can't see why SBS would be launching a scan at startup unless
it thinks there's no database. That should be easy enough to determine
from the log fil
erland;638617 Wrote:
> Try if it works to just remove the "autorescan: 0" line from the
> server.prefs file.
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el_jefe;638613 Wrote:
> Can someone please let me know how to turn-off autorescan? As discussed,
> the option in WebUI is missing and even setting "autorescan: 0" doesn't
> fix it - my computer still rescans when I wake it up from sleep and at
> restart. I am at r32566, Windows 7 64bit.
>
Try if
Can someone please let me know how to turn-off autorescan? As discussed,
the option in WebUI is missing and even setting "autorescan: 0" doesn't
fix it - my computer still rescans when I wake it up from sleep and at
restart. I am at r32566, Windows 7 64bit.
It's completely unacceptable to not giv
Philip Meyer;624270 Wrote:
> >SbS has always operated like that, though, so that's not new. If you
> >know it's going to happen and want to avoid it, point your music
> >library at an empty folder during the setup.
> I think it has always done a forced rescan at first-time run (if it
> sees an em
JJZolx;624412 Wrote:
>
> There are a couple different ways to change it while the server is
> stopped. The simplest is to edit the server.prefs file and change the
> entry for 'audiodir'. It looks something like this:
>
> audiodir: E:\Flac
>
> Since the ability to disable autorescan has been r
JJZolx;624411 Wrote:
> Just tested... No, there is no scan run each time the server starts, as
> long as autorescan is disabled. I tested this by taking a 7.6 server
> that was pointed at a small test library, shutting down the server,
> editing server.prefs to point to a much larger music librar
Selects from this weeks checkin comments:
Disable autoscan by default except for SqueezeOS (TinySC). Do not
provide option to enable it for Windows, where it does not work.
If we have an external scanner process then detect if it is still
running in stillScanning().
If we have an external scann
mnyb;624454 Wrote:
> ok i thougth it was enabled..
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verypsb;624451 Wrote:
> Why? It's not only removed, but also disabled because it's not
> working...
Ok i thougth it was enabled..
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Mnyb;624447 Wrote:
> is the setting to disable auto scan really removed from the web-UI ?
>
> That would be stupid on a grand scale ?
Why? It's not only removed, but also disabled because it's not
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Mnyb;624447 Wrote:
> is the setting to disable auto scan really removed from the web-UI ?
>
> That would be stupid on a grand scale ?
Yes, it looks like it's been removed:
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paulster;624442 Wrote:
> It is a design choice but, for instance, the default is to split
> multi-disc albums, which is stupid. And then once you realise it's
> happened you have to change the option and then wait for a full clear
> and rescan again.
>
> Not trivial once you get into tens of th
I have a couple of issues with auto-scan if library is empty:
1. After first-time install, there might not be any music in the default
location (eg. "My Music" is empty for me, except for an iTunes library).
2. If the scanner crashes SBS, then SBS needs restarting. Thus SBS can't
really be start
erland;624432 Wrote:
> I think it's a design choice, as far as I've understood the reason is
> that they want to make sure you have access to the music immediately
> after running the setup wizard, they don't want an extra manual step
> where you have to understand that you need to know how to pe
erland;624432 Wrote:
> I think it's a design choice, as far as I've understood the reason is
> that they want to make sure you have access to the music immediately
> after running the setup wizard, they don't want an extra manual step
> where you have to understand that you need to know how to pe
MrSinatra;624421 Wrote:
> i would like to see that under user control as well. whats so hard
> about giving the user a simple prompt?
>
I think it's a design choice, as far as I've understood the reason is
that they want to make sure you have access to the music immediately
after running the se
Philip Meyer;624415 Wrote:
> >But autorescan is new, and there may be an automatic scan at startup
> >when autorescan is enabled. However, when it's not enabled there is
> no
> >scan at strtup. I just tested this.
> Okay, that's good to know - thanks. But I assume it still does a full
> scan if
>But autorescan is new, and there may be an automatic scan at startup
>when autorescan is enabled. However, when it's not enabled there is no
>scan at strtup. I just tested this.
Okay, that's good to know - thanks. But I assume it still does a full scan if
library is empty, irrespective of wheth
JJZolx;624273 Wrote:
> I don't think there's a startup scan when autorescan is disabled. If
> there is, I'm sure it's a mistake. Should be easy enough to test.
Just tested... No, there is no scan run each time the server starts, as
long as autorescan is disabled. I tested this by taking a 7.6 se
Philip Meyer;624264 Wrote:
> >Settings->Advanced->Performance->Automatically detect changes:
> >Disabled, manually scan for new music
>
> I think that stops continuous auto-detection (or rather, it still
> periodically runs auto-detection, but silently ignores, rather than
> totally disables the
JJZolx;624266 Wrote:
> SbS has always operated like that, though, so that's not new. If you
> know it's going to happen and want to avoid it, point your music
> library at an empty folder during the setup.
Are you sure automatic scan at startup has always occured ?
I am quite sure that this prob
i just want to take a moment to describe the way winamp scans.
first, it never scans automatically, unless you tell it to. you can
tell it to scan on startup, and at set interval periods. also note
that you can set multiple directories to scan!
if you have nothing in your winamp DB, its still
Philip Meyer;624257 Wrote:
> For once, I agree with MrSinatra!
hmmm, on second thought...
(j/k! ;-)
andyg;624149 Wrote:
> We will of course still have the ability to turn it off, so don't worry
> about that. I was only asking if people would use it if it worked.
i trust that ability will be
that other issue with unmounted drives etc, ss/sc/sbs has afiak always
behaved like that ?
Is it really related to autoscan ?
Afiak the music library must be mounted and avaible to the OS before
sbs is started, otherwise sbs seems to drop the dB how this is done
I've got no idea.
What happens if
Instead or arguing if we are going to use auto rescan or not, maybe we
should post our current ripping processes when introducing new music to
our library with current 7.5 SBS functionality. That way Logitech can do
an analysis and see what's needed, maybe auto scan would work but maybe
they also
Philip Meyer;624270 Wrote:
> I think it has always done a forced rescan at first-time run (if it sees
> an empty library), but it seems to me that it now does a rescan on every
> startup (i.e. probably since auto-detect has been added, and it needs to
> guarantee that the library is up to date fo
Philip Meyer;624267 Wrote:
> Also, what happens if SBS is not running and there are changes to the
> music library? At startup it has to run a scan for new/changed files.
> That means an SBS server stop/restart (eg. to install/update a plugin)
> takes a lot longer.
Yeah, that was a fatal mista
>SbS has always operated like that, though, so that's not new. If you
>know it's going to happen and want to avoid it, point your music
>library at an empty folder during the setup.
I think it has always done a forced rescan at first-time run (if it sees an
empty library), but it seems to me that
Also, what happens if SBS is not running and there are changes to the music
library? At startup it has to run a scan for new/changed files. That means an
SBS server stop/restart (eg. to install/update a plugin) takes a lot longer.
What happens if there are changes whilst it is running the scan
Philip Meyer;624264 Wrote:
> It doesn't stop a rescan check at startup. i.e. if no library exists at
> startup, it still tries to run a full rescan on the default music
> library location.
>
> I wish it would also disable the startup rescan.
SbS has always operated like that, though, so that's
>Settings->Advanced->Performance->Automatically detect changes:
>Disabled, manually scan for new music
I think that stops continuous auto-detection (or rather, it still periodically
runs auto-detection, but silently ignores, rather than totally disables the
processing).
It doesn't stop a rescan
>I still don't understand why. It feels like you guys are assuming that
>removals and updates don't work correctly in auto rescan.
>
Manual scans for new/changed files don't work correctly; making lots of small
scans is more likely to be even less reliable.
>Assuming this scenario just works and
>Assuming all the bugs got worked out and things "just worked" no matter how
>many times you retagged those new files, would you still turn it off?
Yes.
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For once, I agree with MrSinatra!
I generally dislike auto-detect changes in apps; if every app I have running
did it, my HD would be doing nothing but churn all the time.
I prefer to scan when I know I'm not using the machine for anything else.
I have an ordered sequence for ripping CDs. I sca
andyg;624149 Wrote:
>
> We will of course still have the ability to turn it off, so don't worry
> about that. I was only asking if people would use it if it worked.
>
I'd definitely use it, as a user I have no need to scan things, I just
want to access my music.
Ideally I'd just like to insert
gharris999;624172 Wrote:
> Settings->Advanced->Performance->Automatically detect changes: Disabled,
> manually scan for new music
Thanks, but it doesn't work.
I just tried with Version : 7.6.0 - r32248 @ Fri Apr 8 02:07:46 PDT
2011
The option is already the one which is set (is it the default v
nicolas75;624169 Wrote:
> Is it possible to disable it now in 7.6 ?
> I don't find the option.
Settings->Advanced->Performance->Automatically detect changes:
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andyg;624149 Wrote:
>
> We will of course still have the ability to turn it off, so don't worry
> about that. I was only asking if people would use it if it worked.
Is it possible to disable it now in 7.6 ?
I don't find the option.
When I start SBS 7.6, and when my usb HDD is not connected to
andyg;624149 Wrote:
> We will of course still have the ability to turn it off, so don't worry
> about that. I was only asking if people would use it if it worked.If that's
> the case, then, yes, of course I'll try using it. Thanks.
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>
> erland;624076 Wrote:
>> Isn't this like giving up ?
>> If the bugs can't be resolved I agree, then it has to be possible to
>> turn off, but we should at least give Logitech the chance to fix the
>> bugs before we ask them to implement a user u
erland;624076 Wrote:
> Isn't this like giving up ?
> If the bugs can't be resolved I agree, then it has to be possible to
> turn off, but we should at least give Logitech the chance to fix the
> bugs before we ask them to implement a user unfriendly workaround.
What's unfriendly about maintaining
erland;624076 Wrote:
> isn't this like giving up ?
> If the bugs can't be resolved i agree, then it has to be possible to
> turn off, but we should at least give logitech the chance to fix the
> bugs before we ask them to implement a user unfriendly workaround.
+1
It would be very nice not have
I started the following thread some time ago, but got no answer.
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86697
I explained there why I would like to disable autorescan when SBS
starts.
I am probably not the only one to use an external HDD, easy to backup
or to take with me somewhere else, f
I agree that it ought be turned on by default, but please let me turn it
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erland;624076 Wrote:
> Isn't this like giving up ?
> If the bugs can't be resolved I agree, then it has to be possible to
> turn off, but we should at least give Logitech the chance to fix the
> bugs before we ask them to implement a user unfriendly workaround.
No, it's like being realistic.
The
Mnyb;624074 Wrote:
> Must be possible to turn off, sbs is very very bad at removing stale
> content and badly taggad stuff with the "Scan for new and changed" one
> can expect to get 3 fake albums per real one and orter anakronism if
> sbs autoscans halfway trough your tagging and adding music pr
Must be possible to turn off, sbs is very very bad at removing stale
content and badly taggad stuff with the "Scan for new and changed" one
can expect to get 3 fake albums per real one and orter anakronism if
sbs autoscans halfway trough your tagging and adding music process, its
going to be buggy
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gharris999;624066 Wrote:
> YES!! When I'm ripping a bunch of new CDs, I really, really, really
> want to control when they get scanned into the DB. Please, please,
> please keep this optional!
>
I still don't understand why. It feels like you guys are assuming that
removals and updates don't w
andyg;624032 Wrote:
> On Apr 7, 2011, at 6:34 PM, MrSinatra wrote:
>
> >
> > i already explained this to Andy but there def needs to be the option
> to
> > turn it off b/c a LOT of people, like myself, AND APPS rip directly
> into
> > a sub-directory of their root music folder. that is how i d
I'd not want the auto-scan at all either. I want to manually QA all
filenames and tags before SBS ever sees them.
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If automatic... one should have the option to restrict the scan to
certain folder(s). When WMP is not restricted it can pick up duplicates
tracks of my library from other folders where I store sub-libraries in
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andyg;624032 Wrote:
> On Apr 7, 2011, at 6:34 PM, MrSinatra wrote:
>
> >
> > i already explained this to Andy but there def needs to be the option
> to
> > turn it off b/c a LOT of people, like myself, AND APPS rip directly
> into
> > a sub-directory of their root music folder. that is how i d
andyg;624032 Wrote:
> Assuming all the bugs got worked out and things "just worked" no matter
> how many times you retagged those new files, would you still turn it
> off?
That's a huge assumption, particularly on Windows. I'll believe it when
I see it.
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JJZolx
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On Apr 7, 2011, at 6:34 PM, MrSinatra wrote:
>
> i already explained this to Andy but there def needs to be the option to
> turn it off b/c a LOT of people, like myself, AND APPS rip directly into
> a sub-directory of their root music folder. that is how i do it, please
> don't ask me to change
i already explained this to Andy but there def needs to be the option to
turn it off b/c a LOT of people, like myself, AND APPS rip directly into
a sub-directory of their root music folder. that is how i do it, please
don't ask me to change how i do it just b/c LMS is getting around to
adding thi
MrSinatra;624020 Wrote:
> as long as i can turn it off, np.
>
Why do you want to turn it off ?
To me it feels like it should be always active as long as the
implementation doesn't make an old computer unusable. Automatic rescan
means that I don't have to care, I just put the music files in the
as long as i can turn it off, np.
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MrSinatra
www.lion-radio.org
using:
sb2 & sbc (my home) / sbrec & ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.4b - win
xp pro sp3 ie8 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link
dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac
::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604'
(http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show
BTW just so you guys know, auto-rescan will make a reappearance in LMS,
where it's being integrated as part of a C library and should be much
better.
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andyg
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