Now the characters are in the wrong order: A should be before Å, I'd say
(the ORDER BY without COLLATE results in the Å after the X). Specifying
COLLATE in the GROUP BY clause seems to have no effect when the ORDER BY
is following.
That's a very interesting observation. Could you please add
mherger wrote:
As you can see, in the query grouped by namesort \xC3\x85 would be its
own item, thus creating its own letter in the index bar. Whereas the
real query would put it with all the As in the list. I'm no SQLite
expert, thus might be missing the obvious. But I'd say we're applying
reinholdk wrote:
Are you saying that it's not possible to use COLLATE with GROUP BY or
that it's not working?
Here's what I got in my testing (I even updated to the latest and
greatest DBD::SQLite version):
Code:
[14-08-05 16:00:03.5169]
Yes, that's what we're doing. But while ORDER BY would use this
parameter, GROUP BY does not.
Are you saying that it's not possible to use COLLATE with GROUP BY or
that it's not working?
Thanks for the pointers. I'm saying that in the little testing I did
COLLATE did not work with GROUP BY.
mherger wrote:
Yes, that's what we're doing. But while ORDER BY would use this
parameter, GROUP BY does not.
Are you saying that it's not possible to use COLLATE with GROUP BY or
that it's not working?
I'm no expert in this field but from what I've seen 'here'
mherger wrote:
Do you have any ALBUMARTIST defined for those tracks? If not I'd say
you're seeing expected behaviour.
I have albumartist defined for all albums that aren't compilations. In
general my tagging convention has been as follows (and this is driven
through actions in puddletag, so
Just installed Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9.0 - 1406814226 and ran
a clear and rescan. Seems it's now sorted. Thx.
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JJZolx wrote:
A change that should fix the behavior of using COMPILATION=0 was made to
7.9 a few days ago. Have you tried it recently? In theory, it should fix
your problem.
Just installed 7.9.0 - 1406647611 and ran a clear and rescan. I'm still
getting artists that aren't tagged as
Just installed 7.9.0 - 1406647611 and ran a clear and rescan. I'm still
getting artists that aren't tagged as albumartist for an album appearing
as albumartists for the album so long as they're one of the artists on
any track. I have compilation set to 0.
Do you have any ALBUMARTIST defined
mherger wrote:
Phil,
could you please file a bug report for this and CC me on it? I currently
don't have too much bandwidth to work on LMS stuff and don't want to
miss such issues. Thanks!
How would you fix that? You would either have know that the characters Å
and A will be sorted the
could you please file a bug report for this and CC me on it? I currently
don't have too much bandwidth to work on LMS stuff and don't want to
miss such issues. Thanks!
How would you fix that?
How about... sort the page bar the same way we sort the items?
You would either have know that the
mherger wrote:
You would either have know that the characters Å and A will be sorted
the same and suppress the Å
Exactly. As we do the same with the items anyway.
In what sense? If you're talking about storing Å as A in the sort fields
within the database, that's the wrong approach,
You would either have know that the characters Å and A will be sorted
the same and suppress the Å
Exactly. As we do the same with the items anyway.
In what sense? If you're talking about storing Å as A in the sort fields
within the database, that's the wrong approach, IMO. As you can already
I might try that, although that doesn't seem logical. I wouldn't expect
an artist with an added contributor role or 'ARTIST' to appear among the
album artists. I was thinking that possibly having 'Various Artists' as
the ALBUMARTIST for a non-compilation might do the trick. Basically, by
changing
could you please file a bug report for this and CC me on it? I currently
don't have too much bandwidth to work on LMS stuff and don't want to
miss such issues. Thanks!
Sure Michael, thanks.
I'm not too bothered by it, but thought it was worth pointing out. There's
probably more important
But under 'Album Arstists', 'Various Artists' appears nowhere. :(
Considering that it was included in an ALBUMARTIST tag, I find that
surprising. Is it being explicitly excluded from this list for some
reason?
Is there a bug report for this?
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How about... sort the page bar the same way we sort the items?
Morgan Ågren appears in the artist list, half way through the artists
beginning with A.
The issue is that there could be several artists beginning with Å appearing
in the artists list, and they would not be sorted together, as it
The issue is that there could be several artists beginning with Å appearing in the artists list,
and they would not be sorted together, as it appears to be treating Å and A equally
for sorting purposes.
Yeah, I've seen that ORDER BY would treat Å or A the same (depending on
the language
mherger wrote:
Yeah, I've seen that ORDER BY would treat Å or A the same (depending on
the language settings), but GROUP BY doesn't. Therefore this won't be an
easy fix :-(.
You might be aware of it already, but I wondered how unicode sorting
works in sqlite and found that a collation
mherger wrote:
Yeah, I've seen that ORDER BY would treat Å or A the same (depending on
the language settings), but GROUP BY doesn't. Therefore this won't be an
easy fix :-(.
You might be aware of it already, but I wondered how unicode sorting
works in sqlite and found that a collation sequence
A change that should fix the behavior of using COMPILATION=0 was made to
7.9 a few days ago. Have you tried it recently? In theory, it should fix
your problem.
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mherger wrote:
I still have the Various Artists item filed under V. Don't you
get
that one?
Under browse Albums, yes. But nowhere among Album Artists or All
Artists
when Browse Artists is set to two lists. It does appear at the top of
Artists when the single, configurable list is
Further experimenting... I took a couple more compilation albums and
tried different tagging.
1)
ALBUMARTIST=Various
ALBUMARTISTSORT=0
COMPILATION=1
2)
ALBUMARTIST=Aaron Aaron
ALBUMARTISTSORT=Aaron, Aaron
COMPILATION=1
Again, both of these album artists are shown under 'All Artists', but
But under 'Album Arstists', 'Various Artists' appears nowhere. :(
Considering that it was included in an ALBUMARTIST tag, I find that
surprising. Is it being explicitly excluded from this list for some
reason?
I'm guessing the reason is that this view is used when the server option for
one
Relating to the Album Artists view in the Web UI, I notice that I have a small
discrepancy between the content of the artists, and the shortcut jump letters
strip.
1 2 3 5 7 8 Å A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z
I have an artist Morgan Ågren that appears within the middle of
It seems as though LMS is explicitly excluding album artists from
compilation albums.
Did you mean excluding compilation albums from album artists?
i.e. the artist isn't excluded because the artist has a particular Album
Artist name, but because the album is a compilation?
In your example, I
Philip Meyer wrote:
What if you were to change one of your compilation albums to include an
artist called Various Artists on every track (so the Various Artists
appears with role=Artist)? This might trick the view to include the
entry in the list, and when you browse Various Artists, it
Phil,
could you please file a bug report for this and CC me on it? I currently
don't have too much bandwidth to work on LMS stuff and don't want to
miss such issues. Thanks!
Michael
Am 29.07.14 um 04:39 schrieb Phil Meyer:
Relating to the Album Artists view in the Web UI, I notice that I
I believe COMPILATION=0 was used for people who have albums with the
same name in the same folder (iTunes defaulted to this). The albums
would be merged into one, and if the artists were different, the album
would be auto detected as a comp, Various Artists.
Setting COMPILATION=0 forced an album
How do we take this forward to resolve or was a decision made long time
back not to resolve it?
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audiomuze wrote:
Guessing this is a bug?
Sounds like it. That's exactly what shouldn't happen.
I take it you have a COMPILATION=0 tag on that album? If so, see what
happens if you remove it and rescan (new changed).
JJZolx wrote:
Sounds like it. That's exactly what shouldn't happen.
I take it you have a COMPILATION=0 tag on that album? If so, see what
happens if you remove it and rescan (new changed).
I did have comp=0, removed it, changed file data and timestamps,k
rescanned, it picked up changes
audiomuze wrote:
I did have comp=0, removed it, changed file data and timestamps,k
rescanned, it picked up changes (found 10 changed files), same result.
Moved the album folder to a different folder in the tree forcing and ran
a clear and rescan and she's no longer an albumartist.
Moved
JJZolx wrote:
It appears to be a bug, but it would be good to figure out why it's
happening, so that it can be fixed. I can't tell from your description
if only moving the files, without changing the existing tagging, was
enough to make it correct.
In my experience, using COMPILATION=0
IIRC, when a compilation tag is present, this always results in artist
roles, rather than track artist roles.
Should not use compilation=0.
In my experience, when the scanner has read a comp flag for an album, it
will not detect a change upon rescan. Moving to a different source
folder will cause
audiomuze wrote:
2) changes to tags with underlying file time and date stamps being
altered not being picked up in a rescan.
That's not a bug. That's how it's designed to work. If LMS tried reading
metadata from every file during a new changed scan, then it would take
as long, or longer than
Not sure we're understanding one another - the time stamps ARE changed
but it would seem the files are not rescanned? Surely that's not
intentional?
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JJZolx wrote:
That's not a bug. That's how it's designed to work. If LMS tried reading
metadata from every file during a new changed scan, then it would take
as long, or longer than doing a full scan. It uses only size and
timestamp to determine if a file has changed.
There may be a bug
Yes, I've reproduced it.
With COMPILATION=0, the 'guest' artist is included among album artists.
The reason is that the guest artist is given an 'artist' role instead of
a 'track artist' role when the tag is present. That's bug #1. Not sure
if that can be fixed, or if you'd need to remove the
I guess bug #1 is this old thing: 'Track artist roles become artist
roles when COMPILATION=0'
(http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5108) :)
And my comments to that bug report echo yours. It should not matter if
you add a COMPILATION=0 tag. At worst, it should be redundant. Having it
Regarding the Album Artist browse, I have an album tagged as follows:
on all tracks including the last albumartist=Mindy Smith
on all tracks but the last performer and artist are tagged Mindy Smith.
On the last track, artist and performer are tagged Mindy Smith\\Dolly
Parton
I don't have any
So, tried to follow this thread, but the head hurts too much trying to
keep track of what's been agreed. Could someone summarize salient
points?
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I have it in All Artists.
Me too - Various Artists appears under All Artists, but not in Album Artists
list.
Do you have any track with this literal artist name?
Yes, I have a whole album with each track Artist=Various Artists.
As I have albums by Various Artists, I would expect to find this
Right now I'm playing with only the basic option to have the added
browse Album Artists mode, _without_ the EBM plugin.
Without the plugin, I'm afraid we've completely lost the ability to
browse the VA. IMO, this is a bug. How about the following as a work
around?
I still have the Various
mherger wrote:
Right now I'm playing with only the basic option to have the added
browse Album Artists mode, _without_ the EBM plugin.
Without the plugin, I'm afraid we've completely lost the ability to
browse the VA. IMO, this is a bug. How about the following as a work
around?
I still have the Various Artists item filed under V. Don't you get
that one?
Under browse Albums, yes. But nowhere among Album Artists or All Artists
when Browse Artists is set to two lists. It does appear at the top of
Artists when the single, configurable list is set.
I have it in All
mherger wrote:
I still have the Various Artists item filed under V. Don't you
get
that one?
Under browse Albums, yes. But nowhere among Album Artists or All
Artists
when Browse Artists is set to two lists. It does appear at the top of
Artists when the single, configurable list is
Right now I'm playing with only the basic option to have the added
browse Album Artists mode, _without_ the EBM plugin.
Without the plugin, I'm afraid we've completely lost the ability to
browse the VA. IMO, this is a bug. How about the following as a work
around?
With either Browse Artists
JJZolx wrote:
Without the plugin, I'm afraid we've completely lost the ability to
browse the VA. IMO, this is a bug. How about the following as a work
around?
With either Browse Artists setting, keep the 'List compilation albums
under each artist/Group compilation albums together' pref
A little heads up: the Extended Music Menu settings now are per player.
You'll find them in Settings/Player.
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Been watching this evolve and have to say the new menu functions are
very good.
Only one minor suggestion, in Compilations, only show the album, don't
list an artist.
A camel is a racehorse designed by a committee.
Only one minor suggestion, in Compilations, only show the album, don't
list an artist.
I disagree, in that the Album Artist can be set to anything the user wants for
a compilation too; not all compilations may be by Various Artists.
Some users tag compilations with Soundtrack as the album
Philip Meyer wrote:
I disagree, in that the Album Artist can be set to anything the user
wants for a compilation too; not all compilations may be by Various
Artists.
Some users tag compilations with Soundtrack as the album artist.
Some users tag normal Greatest Hits albums with an
Any chance of attacking COMPOSERSORT, CONDUCTORSORT, BANDSORT and
ORCHESTRASORT fields? It's inconsistent to be able to sort artist names,
but not contributors having these other roles.
COMPOSERSORT is TSOC in ID3v2. BANDSORT/ALBUMARTISTSORT is TSO2. I think
TSO2 should simply be associated with
mherger wrote:
Any chance of attacking COMPOSERSORT, CONDUCTORSORT, BANDSORT and
ORCHESTRASORT fields? It's inconsistent to be able to sort artist
names,
but not contributors having these other roles.
COMPOSERSORT is TSOC in ID3v2. BANDSORT/ALBUMARTISTSORT is TSO2. I
think
TSO2
You could try removing the plugin preference file
(extendedbrowsemodes.prefs).
Yes, this helps.
I doubt it. Most likely it's just a bug which needed a server restart to
get cleared out. The prefs file should have nothing to do with the
Contributors menu item. I'll double-check. Thanks for
You could try removing the plugin preference file
(extendedbrowsemodes.prefs).
Yes, this helps.
I doubt it. Most likely it's just a bug which needed a server restart to
get cleared out. The prefs file should have nothing to do with the
Contributors menu item. I'll double-check. Thanks for
I think we should create a wiki page where we describe the different
alternatives and edit them or produce variants if someone disagrees, but
before doing that I got to ask is it as simple as:
- *My Music/Album Artists* - Same behaviour as with 7.8 Artists menu
if you have selected *Group
Trying to follow this thread makes my head hurt :confused:
At some point I suppose I will have to figure out how this will work for
my library. I found that Group compilation albums together. List
albums by all artists for that album and Treat TPE2 MP3 tag as Band
gave me the cleanest browse by
mherger wrote:
If you were happy with your setup and the way LMS listed artists before,
just stick with it. The new modes are entirely optional, though I
defaulted them to On for now, to get some feedback. Just select the
Unified list option in Settings/My Music.
And then you could
Trying to follow this thread makes my head hurt :confused:
Welcome to the club!
At some point I suppose I will have to figure out how this will work for
my library. I found that Group compilation albums together. List
albums by all artists for that album and Treat TPE2 MP3 tag as Band
gave me
pberger wrote:
Yes, this helps. But after a clean and rescan of the library, the menu
items are empty again...
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I think there are some odd interactions of the plugin with the standard
server, with the plugin switching prefs in an attempt to get the desired
behavior.
It all seems terribly overcomplicated. Which is exactly the opposite of
my original intention.
I think we should create a wiki page where we describe the different
alternatives and edit them or produce variants if someone disagrees, but
before doing that I got to ask is it as simple as:
- *My Music/Album Artists* - Same behaviour as with 7.8 Artists menu
if you have selected *Group
After disabling the Extended Browse Modes plugin, removing the
extendedbrowsemodes.prefs and enabling the Extended Browse Modes plugin,
'Compilations' has entries again.
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Philip Meyer wrote:
You could try removing the plugin preference file
(extendedbrowsemodes.prefs).
Yes, this helps. But after a clean and rescan of the library, the menu
items are empty again. Sometimes enabling/disabling the items in the
plugin preferences helps, sometimes I need to remove
I tried your suggestion, but my 'Compiltion' browse mode is still empty
:-(
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Philip Meyer wrote:
I think Compilation=0 is probably confusing the scanner. If you remove
that, I would expect it to work as you would hope. Note, you will
probably need to do a full rescan to get rid of the compilation=0 value
from the music library.
After deleting the 'Compilation=0'
verypsb wrote:
After deleting the 'Compilation=0' tag the problem has gone. So, we need
to tidy up the tags which are present on downloaded files?
Always :) some are better than others ( commercial or non commercial
seems be about the same level ) . I find it irritating that so many
single
I tried your suggestion, but my 'Compiltion' browse mode is still empty
Are you sure you have albums tagged as compilation in your library? Why not
try to search for one, and check it displays with Compilation: Yes in the album
info WebUI display.
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bwaldron wrote:
I did see that at one point. I was able to fix it by disabling then
re-enabling the Compilations item and then applying the changes to the
plugin settings.
I've the same behaviour. I definitely have albums recognizes as
compilations (shows compilation=yes), also it worked with
You could try removing the plugin preference file (extendedbrowsemodes.prefs).
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Strange thing...
I don't have 'Various Artists' listed in 'Album Artists' browsing
mode... However,
'Compilations' is empty too...
Anyone else seeing this behaviour?
Dennis.
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verypsb wrote:
7.9.0 - 1401275007
Strange thing...
I don't have 'Various Artists' listed in 'Album Artists' browsing
mode... However,
'Compilations' is empty too...
Anyone else seeing this behaviour?
Dennis.
I did see that at one point. I was able to fix it by disabling then
as I said to Erland, my link to compilations in artist lists (be they
album artists, all artists, whatever) would NOT be called Various
Artists but rather Home Compilations
I don't really see the point, as a Compilations menu has been added to the home
menu, I think people will quickly figure
- *My Music/Album Artists* - Same behaviour as with 7.8 Artists menu
if you have selected *Group compilation albums together*
- *My Music/Artists* - Same behaviour as with 7.8 Artists menu if you
have selected *List compilation albums under each artist*
Except for removal of the special Various
erland wrote:
I think we should create a wiki page where we describe the different
alternatives and edit them or produce variants if someone disagrees, but
before doing that I got to ask is it as simple as:
- *My Music/Album Artists* - Same behaviour as with 7.8 Artists menu
if you have
There was a change applied on 28/05/2014:
* Don't include artists from compilations in the album artists list.
This seems to have done what it says; artists that are only guests on albums
with an album artist or a compilation album are no longer listed. However, the
Album Artists for
Philip Meyer wrote:
There was a change applied on 28/05/2014:
* Don't include artists from compilations in the album artists list.
This seems to have done what it says; artists that are only guests on
albums with an album artist or a compilation album are no longer listed.
However, the
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We have to accept this and find an alternative where at least a
significant amount of people can be happy. Tagging with
ALBUMARTIST=Various Artists is pretty common and I also think tagging
with ALBUMARTIST on all albums is pretty common. It depends on the
tagging software but I know I for a long
It's all a bit in progress - bug fixing included :-).
Thanks.
As Erland suggested I decided to throw changes at you to get feedback.
That's fine. Wasn't sure what's meant to be fully working or in-progress.
The discussion has been confusing and sometimes misleading. Having a
common base to
Philip Meyer wrote:
We have to accept this and find an alternative where at least a
significant amount of people can be happy. Tagging with
ALBUMARTIST=Various Artists is pretty common and I also think tagging
with ALBUMARTIST on all albums is pretty common. It depends on the
tagging
Ok, assuming you don't like the current implementation of All Artists,
but I didn't want to bring back the Band in Artists etc. options.
Wouldn't this do the same?
[image: http://gyazo.com/32990fa1ff9796d241c9ac8c14f0fac4.png]
(check the last custom menu entry)
Michael
All included in LogitechMediaServer-7.9.0-1401248537 ?
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All included in LogitechMediaServer-7.9.0-1401248537 ?
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OK, thanks...
Dennis.
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erland wrote:
ALL ARTISTS
- Should not contain any Various Artists entry, the whole purpose with
this menu is that you want to find music where an artist is involved
independent if the artist released the album or was just featured on a
specific track. It doesn't matter if it's a
JJZolx wrote:
I disagree. I consider Various Artists to be a valid album artist,
whether or not explicitly tagged as such. If I browse my Albums and see
100 albums by Various Artists, then I want to see Various Artists in
my list of Album Artists and Artists.
Yes. I use Various Artists as
mherger wrote:
Now I'll let you discuss. I'm out for a few days. Please come up with
the feature list _everybody_ agrees with :-P. Will be back next week.
I like this.
I am seeing one issue, though; in a way it is the reverse of the issue
that was fixed where track artists from compilations
JJZolx wrote:
I disagree. I consider Various Artists to be a valid album artist,
whether or not explicitly tagged as such. If I browse my Albums and see
100 albums by Various Artists, then I want to see Various Artists in
my list of Album Artists and Artists.
I disagree. I do not consider
verypsb wrote:
I disagree. I do not consider 'Various Artists' a valid option far ANY
tag; artist, albumartist or other tag.
I would not want to see 'Various Artists' in the 'All Artists' OR 'Album
Artists' browsing modes. I only want to see 'Various Artists' in the
compilation browsing
verypsb wrote:
I disagree. I do not consider 'Various Artists' a valid option far ANY
tag; artist, albumartist or other tag.
I would not want to see 'Various Artists' in the 'All Artists' OR 'Album
Artists' browsing modes. I only want to see 'Various Artists' in the
compilation browsing
JJZolx wrote:
You don't want to see Various Artists when you browse albums? Or when
you browse years, or genres?
I would not miss them if they weren't, but think it would be better if
'Various Artists' or 'Compilations' 'were listed under
albums/years/genres. However, I definitely do not want
Album Artist: Shelter
Artist: Andy Bell, Shelter, Shelter feat. Andy Bell The Alpha Belles,
The Alpha Belles
Album: iPop
Genre: Pop
Year: 2014
Compilation: 0
This shows up as 'The Alpha Belles' under 'Album Artists'. I would
expect that this would be listed only as 'Shelter' under
Trying to think about this on a higher level, without involving how the
music is tagged, wouldn't this be true ?
ALBUM ARTISTS[/B] - CONTAINS ALL ARTISTS THAT HAVE RELEASED AN ALBUM
UNDER THEIR NAME
*ARTISTS* - CONTAINS ALL ARTISTS THAT HAVE BEEN THE MAIN ARTIST ON A
TRACK ON ANY ALBUM
TO ME
erland wrote:
Trying to think about this on a higher level, without involving how the
music is tagged, wouldn't this be true ?
ALBUM ARTISTS[/B] - CONTAINS ALL ARTISTS THAT HAVE RELEASED AN ALBUM
UNDER THEIR NAME
*ARTISTS* - CONTAINS ALL ARTISTS THAT HAVE BEEN THE MAIN ARTIST ON A
TRACK
Mnyb wrote:
Where do I find artist that never been the main artist on any album ? I
do think I have several of those artists ?
My idea would be that you find them under *Artists*, I was a bit unclear
about this and added the word main, what I was supposed to say was:
*Artists* - Contains all
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