Hoi Sascha,
Op Thu, 6 Jun 2002 00:01:48 +0200
schreef Sascha Huedepohl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hi,
> first i would like to apologize for my bad englisch :)
>
> I think i found a bug in the latest blackbox alpha8.
> And i'm not proud of it ;) I like Blackbox verry much!
>
> I do the following:
>
Hi Sean,
may I send you the core and Blackbox binary that caused the crash on
deiconify?
core 600K, blackbox 6MB (unstripped)
Do you want stripped or not stripped Blackbox binary?
(I just finished downloading gdb, will install it next week)
Bye.
--
Wilbert Berendsen (http://www.xs4all.nl/~wb
>
>
> (Almost) Same here!
>
> - run blackbox
> - open Icon Menu and stick it somewhere to the screen (this is mandatory
> to get the bug)
> - open Rxvt
> - iconify the Rxvt (the icon menu shows the new entry)
> - click the Rxvt entry in the icon menu
> - Rxvt reappears and Blackbox crashes (alm
On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 11:45:53PM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
> On 06-Jun-2002 Derek Cunningham wrote:
> > Hmm... so I notice that when you maximize, then resize, the maximize button
> > will re-maximize (ie: maximization was turned off after the resize).
> > However, if I maximize the wind
HI all,
I discovered a strange bug in the window cyling list (Alt Tab):
After restarting Blackbox a few times the window cycling list (alt tab)
shows many double entries.
A screenshot is at http://www.xs4all.nl/~wbsoft/files/wcb.png
--
Wilbert Berendsen (http://www.xs4all.nl/~wbsoft/)
http://
Wilbert Berendsen wrote:
> (Almost) Same here!
>
> - run blackbox
> - open Icon Menu and stick it somewhere to the screen (this is mandatory
> to get the bug)
> - open Rxvt
> - iconify the Rxvt (the icon menu shows the new entry)
> - click the Rxvt entry in the icon menu
> - Rxvt reappears and Bl
Yup... tear off icons menu, iconfy xterm, de-iconify it (select it from
torn off icons menu).. bb crashes.
On Thu, 2002-06-06 at 22:48, Scott Furt wrote:
> Wilbert Berendsen wrote:
> > (Almost) Same here!
> >
> > - run blackbox
> > - open Icon Menu and stick it somewhere to the screen (this is m
* Sean 'Shaleh' Perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Jun 05. 2002 17:47]:
> Either way it is just one more number in my book.
A lot of the people arguing against going with a 1.0 release uses the
above argument. Well if it's just a number which does not matter, why
not call it 1.0 when we have a STABLE wel
I've got a feature request for the post-65 series
(since i know there's a feature freeze in effect now)
Is there any feasable way that torn-off menus could somehow
be made to stay open after a selection is made? IMO, this
would add much more consistency to the way menus work.
At least to me, wh
On Thu, 2002-06-06 at 23:03, Scott Furt wrote:
> I've got a feature request for the post-65 series
> (since i know there's a feature freeze in effect now)
>
> Is there any feasable way that torn-off menus could somehow
> be made to stay open after a selection is made? IMO, this
> would add much
On 06 Jun 2002 23:24:54 +1200
"Matt Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Oooh... sounds like a bug to me. Mine hang around, like I believe
> they're supposed to...
Mine hang around too. Maybe he's behind on his adhesive bill?
--
Jamin W. Collins
Jamin W. Collins wrote:
> On 06 Jun 2002 23:24:54 +1200
> "Matt Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>>Oooh... sounds like a bug to me. Mine hang around, like I believe
>>they're supposed to...
>
>
> Mine hang around too. Maybe he's behind on his adhesive bill?
>
What the hell is wrong wi
BB seems to be chewing my CPU after a short time (gradually climbing to
99% usage). Killing it then restarting it fixes it (for a time), but not
restarting it - that is, I have to kill the existing and start a new BB
process, rather than just restart the existing one.
The odd bit of it is (apart
I noticed that it only happens to me if i try and run
OO from the BB menu when i first get into BB, with no
other windows open.
If i open up ROX and click on a document, OO will come
up no problem. If i then close all windows and run OO
from the BB menu, no problem.
Occasionally, OO will bring
Just a note -- I'm still using 0.62.1, and following this sequence does
_not_ crash it. If the behaviour is consistent with alpha8, it's
something in the new features for 0.65.
--Matthew
On Thu, 2002-06-06 at 06:55, Matt Wilson wrote:
> Yup... tear off icons menu, iconfy xterm, de-iconify it (se
Hi,
i just reproduced the Crash hier at work.
Hier i'm on SuSE 7.2 and am using 0.65.0alpha7
regards
sascha
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On Wed, Jun05,02 23:45, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
>
> On 06-Jun-2002 Derek Cunningham wrote:
> > Hmm... so I notice that when you maximize, then resize, the maximize button
> > will re-maximize (ie: maximization was turned off after the resize).
> > However, if I maximize the window, then MOVE i
I decided, after all the fun discussion on the list lately, to try out
alpha8. After compiling and going into X, I realized I hadn't applied
the wheelmouse patch I'd been using on 0.62.1 (which allows you to
scroll through your workspaces using the mouse wheel)...
However, when I went to look at
On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 09:08:11AM -0400, Derek Cunningham wrote:
> On Wed, Jun05,02 23:45, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
> >
> > On 06-Jun-2002 Derek Cunningham wrote:
> > > Hmm... so I notice that when you maximize, then resize, the maximize button
> > > will re-maximize (ie: maximization was turn
On Thu, Jun06,02 08:51, xOr wrote:
> > I see no reason why I would want to move a maxmimized window, as moving it
> > puts some of the windows off screen. I propose that maximized windows should
> > not be moveable (config option?).
>
> There is no way that would fly for a large number of users.
On Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 12:06:24AM +1200, Matt Wilson wrote:
> BB seems to be chewing my CPU after a short time (gradually climbing to
> 99% usage). Killing it then restarting it fixes it (for a time), but not
> restarting it - that is, I have to kill the existing and start a new BB
> process, rat
On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 09:08:11 -0400
"Derek Cunningham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I see no reason why I would want to move a maxmimized window, as moving
> it puts some of the windows off screen. I propose that maximized windows
> should not be moveable (config option?).
I can think of a few. I
On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 09:49:46AM -0400, Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote:
> I decided, after all the fun discussion on the list lately, to try out
> alpha8. After compiling and going into X, I realized I hadn't applied
> the wheelmouse patch I'd been using on 0.62.1 (which allows you to
> scroll th
On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 08:51:39AM -0500, xOr wrote:
> > I see no reason why I would want to move a maxmimized window, as moving it
> > puts some of the windows off screen. I propose that maximized windows should
> > not be moveable (config option?).
>
> There is no way that would fly for a large
On Thu, Jun06,02 08:55, Jamin W. Collins wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 09:08:11 -0400
> "Derek Cunningham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I see no reason why I would want to move a maxmimized window, as moving
> > it puts some of the windows off screen. I propose that maximized windows
> > should
On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 11:47:26PM +0930, Tim Riley wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 08:51:39AM -0500, xOr wrote:
> > > I see no reason why I would want to move a maxmimized window, as moving it
> > > puts some of the windows off screen. I propose that maximized windows should
> > > not be moveabl
On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 09:33:34AM -0500, xOr wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 11:47:26PM +0930, Tim Riley wrote:
> > Imho, for this sort of bog standard window behaviour, a sane default
> > should be picked, and kept. Otherwise (that is, after feature freeze), we
> > might get config item creep!
On Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 12:08:01AM +0930, Tim Riley wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 09:33:34AM -0500, xOr wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 11:47:26PM +0930, Tim Riley wrote:
> > > Imho, for this sort of bog standard window behaviour, a sane default
> > > should be picked, and kept. Otherwise (
On Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 12:08:01AM +0930, Tim Riley wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 09:33:34AM -0500, xOr wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 11:47:26PM +0930, Tim Riley wrote:
> > > Imho, for this sort of bog standard window behaviour, a sane default
> > > should be picked, and kept. Otherwise (
On 06-Jun-2002 Wilbert Berendsen wrote:
> HI all,
>
> I discovered a strange bug in the window cyling list (Alt Tab):
>
> After restarting Blackbox a few times the window cycling list (alt tab)
> shows many double entries.
>
> A screenshot is at http://www.xs4all.nl/~wbsoft/files/wcb.png
I hav
>
> What the hell is wrong with me this morning?? :-)
>
> I wrote a feature request for something that's already been
> implemented to the BB i'm currently using.
>
> Sorry everyone... my brain was off in la-la land becuase
> went all night with no sleep. it's 8AM here... time for
> some coff
On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 09:41:12 -0500
"xOr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 12:08:01AM +0930, Tim Riley wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 09:33:34AM -0500, xOr wrote:
> > > I, for one, see no problem with this config item
> > > creep. :) They add enormous amounts of flexibility,
>
> I think I have to agree with Tim on this, at least to a
> certain extent. As a semi-geek, I rely on my hubbie to get
> me through complex installs and I'm convinced that he would
> be less than appreciative if I could not even install my own
> window manager without help. =) Personally, I'd r
Stijn Hoop wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 12:08:01AM +0930, Tim Riley wrote:
>
>>On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 09:33:34AM -0500, xOr wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 11:47:26PM +0930, Tim Riley wrote:
>>>
Imho, for this sort of bog standard window behaviour, a sane default
should be picke
On Thu, Jun06,02 07:57, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
> >
> > Hmm... since I never use H/V Maximization... I didnt' really consider those.
> > To be honest, if the snap-to-edge-while-resizing was implemented... that
> > would solve my problems. :) Otherwise, you could just provide an option 'No
> >
On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 10:04:16AM -0500, Rachel Collins wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 09:41:12 -0500
> "xOr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 12:08:01AM +0930, Tim Riley wrote:
> > > On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 09:33:34AM -0500, xOr wrote:
> > > > I, for one, see no problem wit
On Thu, Jun06,02 08:07, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
> >
> > I think I have to agree with Tim on this, at least to a
> > certain extent. As a semi-geek, I rely on my hubbie to get
> > me through complex installs and I'm convinced that he would
> > be less than appreciative if I could not even insta
Good morning everyone:
I couldnt get any sleep last night so i decided to hack up
bbrun and modify it to bbweb.
Now, instead of typing in a binary to run, you can type
in a URL, and it'll load the browser of your choice with
the URL.
Put the path to your fav. browser in ~/.bbtools/bbweb.browser
>
> hmm... I guess my complaint isn't so much about getting it back to it's
> original place... but more about consistency. I really like the ideal of
> having fully maximized windows unable to move, but I'll leave that up to you
> guys to decide :).
>
this "consistency" is not shared by any of
>
> For me... configurability is key (just last night, I switched from row
> placement to column placement, and I'm much happier!), and it helps when the
> developers choose sane defaults, as if I don't understand an option (and
> don't feel like RTFM) then I'll leave the defaults. Other times, I
On Thu, Jun06,02 11:38, Chris Grossmann wrote:
> Derek Cunningham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> typed:
> > Yeah... further to this, to whom to we cater? The users, or the power users?
> > The featureists, or the minimalists?
>
> The authors. :)
>
Maybe... but I don't think this is the case.
Right now
On Thu, 2002-06-06 at 10:08, xOr wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 09:49:46AM -0400, Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote:
> > I decided, after all the fun discussion on the list lately, to try out
> > alpha8. After compiling and going into X, I realized I hadn't applied
> > the wheelmouse patch I'd been
On 06-Jun-2002 Derek Cunningham wrote:
> On Thu, Jun06,02 11:38, Chris Grossmann wrote:
>> Derek Cunningham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> typed:
>> > Yeah... further to this, to whom to we cater? The users, or the power
>> > users?
>> > The featureists, or the minimalists?
>>
>> The authors. :)
>>
>
On Thu, 2002-06-06 at 11:19, Scott Furt wrote:
> Good morning everyone:
>
> I couldnt get any sleep last night so i decided to hack up
> bbrun and modify it to bbweb.
>
> Now, instead of typing in a binary to run, you can type
> in a URL, and it'll load the browser of your choice with
> the URL.
You're absolutely right, Derek.
I credit Sean and Brad with all that they do (and have
done).
I use blackbox because it is lean and fast, and when a new
version comes out, it is leaner and faster.
Most of the features/configurations I could really care less
about, but I'll say this: I'd ra
On Thu, 06 Jun 2002 07:57:49 -0700 (PDT)
"Sean 'Shaleh' Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 06-Jun-2002 Wilbert Berendsen wrote:
> > After restarting Blackbox a few times the window cycling list (alt tab)
> > shows many double entries.
> I have heard this, I have occasionally seen this, but I c
On Thu, 2002-06-06 at 11:53, Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote:
> On Thu, 2002-06-06 at 10:08, xOr wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 09:49:46AM -0400, Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote:
> > > I decided, after all the fun discussion on the list lately, to try out
> > > alpha8. After compiling and going in
On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 11:45:46 -0400
"Derek Cunningham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> (ie: I think it should be easy enough
> for me to create a bbapp that will give me a task bar
> similar to that of Windows
That sounds positively horrible. Yet another example of
opinions that differ. =)
--
Rache
sorry to bother, i subscribed to this mailing list
a month or 2 ago and i'm just not able to keep up with the sheer amount of
e-mail. Could someone please tell me how to unsubscribe, that would be great,
thanks.
daniel
On 06-Jun-2002 Daniel Hau wrote:
>
> sorry to bother, i subscribed to this mailing list a month or 2 ago and i'm
> just not able to keep up with the sheer amount of e-mail. Could someone
> please tell me how to unsubscribe, that would be great, thanks.
>
> daniel
info right on the web site:
h
On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 12:11:16PM -0400, Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote:
> On Thu, 2002-06-06 at 11:53, Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote:
> > On Thu, 2002-06-06 at 10:08, xOr wrote:
> > > On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 09:49:46AM -0400, Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote:
> > > > I decided, after all the fun dis
On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 12:03:57PM -0400, Chris Grossmann wrote:
> You're absolutely right, Derek.
>
> I credit Sean and Brad with all that they do (and have
> done).
>
> I use blackbox because it is lean and fast, and when a new
> version comes out, it is leaner and faster.
>
> Most of the
>
> Heh, a configuration option is never going to be the bottle neck of the
> window manager. With blackbox, the bottleneck is the image rendering
> code, as fast as it is. :)
>
true. However, every option is roughly 20 lines of code. Plus a little more
memory as we store the option, some sta
Blackboxers,
I've been getting some queries on my screenshots... so I've created a quick
little page with some quick descriptions of what's going on. I'd be happy to
expand on any of the information if there's interest.
Please visit: www.nosleep.ca
Thanks.
DC
--
Derek Cunningham
[EMAIL PROT
Hoi Sean,
Op Thu, 06 Jun 2002 07:57:49 -0700 (PDT)
schreef "Sean 'Shaleh' Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> On 06-Jun-2002 Wilbert Berendsen wrote:
> > HI all,
> >
> > I discovered a strange bug in the window cyling list (Alt Tab):
> >
> > After restarting Blackbox a few times the window cyclin
On 06 Jun 2002 12:11:16 -0400
Matthew Weier O'Phinney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ooops!!! Spoke too soon. Actually, it works fine -- but the direction
> is off: The wheel scrolls through the workspaces in the opposite
> direction from what it used to do. (For example -- what would be
> scrolling
On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 11:08:24AM -0400, Scott Furt wrote:
> The whole linux philosophy is to give configurability, even
> at the cost of being a bit cryptic at times. :-)
Is that so? What about the 'usability' philosophy? ;)
On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 09:41:12AM -0500, xOr wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 12:08:01AM +0930, Tim Riley wrote:
> > It just seems that some of the proposed config options are so obtuse and
> > subtle that the average man on the free unix might not understand it. For
>
> Heh, are you, by chance
On 06 Jun 2002 12:00:55 -0400
Matthew Weier O'Phinney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 2002-06-06 at 11:19, Scott Furt wrote:
> > Good morning everyone:
> >
> > I couldnt get any sleep last night so i decided to hack up
> > bbrun and modify it to bbweb.
> >
> > Now, instead of typing in a bi
On Thu, Jun06,02 12:53, Mr.X wrote:
> On 06 Jun 2002 12:00:55 -0400
> Matthew Weier O'Phinney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Thu, 2002-06-06 at 11:19, Scott Furt wrote:
> > > Good morning everyone:
> > >
> > > I couldnt get any sleep last night so i decided to hack up
> > > bbrun and modify it
I mailed this to a few people today. Some of the old school #blackbox people
might remember it, I wrote it about 2 years ago and never released it seriously.
It takes the current selection and sends it to an app, configured by a
~/.opener file (just like blackbox and co).
At the time googlizer
On Fri, 2002-06-07 at 01:42, -|- Hurgh -|- wrote:
> What vid card are you using cause the NVidia drivers for linux make this
> happen to your cpu and it reports it as X using all the CPU (well at least
> it did for me). I removed the downloaded NVidia drivers and went back to
> using the NV ones t
On 07 Jun 2002 13:01:57 +1200
"Matt Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 2002-06-07 at 01:42, -|- Hurgh -|- wrote:
> > What vid card are you using cause the NVidia drivers for linux make
> > this happen to your cpu and it reports it as X using all the CPU
>
> That may be the prob, thanks.
On Fri, 2002-06-07 at 13:18, Jamin W.Collins wrote:
> On 07 Jun 2002 13:01:57 +1200
> "Matt Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 2002-06-07 at 01:42, -|- Hurgh -|- wrote:
> > > What vid card are you using cause the NVidia drivers for linux make
> > > this happen to your cpu and it rep
Found a way to make blackbox block in its select() call.
Theres a comment above it say this is possible but near impossible..
seems not to be the case :| It does it perfecetly consistantly on my
machine if I follow the right steps.
This is, of course, with the latest cvs version. But should wor
On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 11:28:10PM -0500, xOr wrote:
> Found a way to make blackbox block in its select() call.
>
> Theres a comment above it say this is possible but near impossible..
> seems not to be the case :| It does it perfecetly consistantly on my
> machine if I follow the right steps.
>
On Fri, 2002-06-07 at 16:28, xOr wrote:
> Found a way to make blackbox block in its select() call.
>
> Theres a comment above it say this is possible but near impossible..
> seems not to be the case :| It does it perfecetly consistantly on my
> machine if I follow the right steps.
>
> This is,
On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 11:50:56PM -0500, xOr wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 11:28:10PM -0500, xOr wrote:
> > Found a way to make blackbox block in its select() call.
> >
> > Theres a comment above it say this is possible but near impossible..
> > seems not to be the case :| It does it perfece
On Fri, 2002-06-07 at 16:50, xOr wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 11:28:10PM -0500, xOr wrote:
> > Found a way to make blackbox block in its select() call.
> >
> > Theres a comment above it say this is possible but near impossible..
> > seems not to be the case :| It does it perfecetly consistan
On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 09:08:51 -0500
xOr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 09:49:46AM -0400, Matthew Weier O'Phinney
> wrote:
> > I decided, after all the fun discussion on the list lately, to try
> > out alpha8. After compiling and going into X, I realized I hadn't
> > applied the
On Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 12:00:08AM -0500, xOr wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 11:50:56PM -0500, xOr wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 11:28:10PM -0500, xOr wrote:
> > > Found a way to make blackbox block in its select() call.
> > >
> > > Theres a comment above it say this is possible but near i
So, I think I've discovered why bbkeys has left over windows in its list
on restart sometimes! (You aren't going to like this, I certainly
don't).
First, lets start with how it knows what windows exist.
When a window is added blackbox sends all Netizens (bbkeys, bbpager,
etc) a message telling t
>
> Perhaps a blackbox protocol extension of "Clear" or "DelAll" could be
> added. This would be sent to all netizens at shutdown before actually
> removing any windows.
>
or we just ignore it and wait until netwm is added which solves the problem by
not using the silly blackbox protocol (-:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2002 08:24:54 +0930 Tim Riley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 11:08:24AM -0400, Scott Furt wrote:
> > The whole linux philosophy is to give configurability, even
> > at the cost of being a bit cryptic at times. :-)
> Is that so? What about the 'usability' philo
On Thu, 6 Jun 2002, Scott Furt wrote:
> Now, instead of typing in a binary to run, you can type
> in a URL, and it'll load the browser of your choice with
> the URL.
I have a similar tool that I call xurl (or is it xopenwww).
First I highlight some text. Then I left click into it (I located it
On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 11:00:31PM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
> >
> > Perhaps a blackbox protocol extension of "Clear" or "DelAll" could be
> > added. This would be sent to all netizens at shutdown before actually
> > removing any windows.
> >
>
> or we just ignore it and wait until netw
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