In a message dated 9/18/2004 8:41:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
No. That would be stupid. It would be as contrary to
the facts as believing in clutch hitting, in fact.
The government has a role in society. I don't think
it should be running my life or
Found on USENET:
Dear George and Barbara Bush,
Once again, it is that time of year when we update the parents of our
students
on their child's progress, and we regret to inform you that your son,
Georgie,
is not doing as well as we'd hoped and expected when he embarked on
his
four-year program
One of 'em got all filled up... so we're checking on log rotation, disk
capacity warnings and such, which would have avoided the list delays for
the last 12 hours or so. Messages should catch up fairly fast, nothing
should be lost.
NIck
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Alberto,
Is there any way to implement this authomatically?
Namely: whenever He requests to be removed, the list
admins remove the auto-send to His mailbox for some
(unknown) time.
Is there any /need/ to implement this automatically?
With all the bragging about intelligence and accomplishment
that
This is a test to see if we can, indeed, moderate all messages with
Brin: in the subject, so that we can easily shut off the message flow
to David.
If it works, nobody will see this message.
If it doesn't... sorry.
Nick
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On Sep 19, 2004, at 10:43 PM, Dave Land wrote:
If you're too busy or important (or dumb or lazy) to remember
to edit the subject when you reply to the list, perhaps you're
too (insert your favorite justification here) to post in the
first place.
I am informed off-list (thank you, friend) that the
Behalf Of Deborah Harrell
As I noted in my last post, my cat Zimmie has been
missing for days now. He's never been away for more
than 12 hours at a stretch -- too fond of his full
food dish! sad smile Given where we live, the most
likely scenario is that a coyote or pair of foxes got
From: Dan Minette [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
One of the things that I would like to do is break the cycle of repeated
arguments, that tend to exist after mostly the same people cover mostly the
same territory.
Spoilsport !
Its like a Bach symphony, or perhaps more Peter and the Wolf..
And
In a message dated 9/18/2004 4:13:11 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Last nites game was awesome - always nice to have a close match-up.
The poker room at the casino was in an uproar.
Anyone else on Brin-L caught up in the poker craze?
better than (say) the
From: Deborah Harrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
As I noted in my last post, my cat Zimmie has been
missing for days now. He's never been away for more
than 12 hours at a stretch -- too fond of his full
food dish! sad smile Given where we live, the most
likely scenario is that a coyote or pair
In a message dated 9/18/2004 3:59:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Maybe to you. I would say that he has done no worse
than most of his predecessors and better than his
immediate predecessor. The liberal cocooning of
people on this list never ceases to amuse me.
In a message dated 9/18/2004 9:04:30 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
As it is, I still
would...but the problem is his supporters. There are
plenty of people like that on this list - one might
call them the no enemies to my left crowd. Or the
Michael Moore crowd and
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
Then don't pretend
that refusing judgment in this situation is somehow
morally better than making judgments.
There are different kinds of judgment. There is judgment that decides
guilt or innocence, and there is judgment that says I'm good and you
are bad. The former is
Dan Minette wrote:
One of the things that I would like to do is break the cycle of
repeated arguments, that tend to exist after mostly the same people
cover mostly the same territory. One thought I had was triggered by
the use of the word rational in several posts. I started thinking
about
David Brin wrote:
NOW PLEASE REMOVE BRIN: FROM THE SUBJECT LINE!!!
I just mindlessly failed to do this... catching up on reading.
I'm sorry.
Nick
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In a message dated 9/18/2004 8:26:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So have you ever actually been to Costco? If you had
you would know that
your statement about the stores customers is absurd.
I have. I particularly remember the $15,000 diamond
ring right in the
In a message dated 9/18/2004 8:38:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Did I say anything about the reconstruction?
Anywhere? No. Of course not. That wasn't the topic
at hand. For someone who just lectured me about being
distracting, that was a pretty pathetic
No sweat Nick. See you at
November 5-7: Accelerating Change 2004 Conference at
Tresidder Union, at Stanford University, California.
(SEE http://www.davidbrin.com/ events)
d
--- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
David Brin wrote:
NOW PLEASE REMOVE BRIN: FROM THE SUBJECT
LINE!!!
On Sep 18, 2004, at 2:09 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On Sep 18, 2004, at 12:16 PM, Robert Seeberger wrote:
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
It's about derogatory comments about
NASCAR or trailer parks.
I too found that personally offensive as well as the talk about The
South running the government. I don't
Okay, so I just had to forward this rather odd variation on the 419
scams. These guys want me to open a checking account, into which
they'll deposite money.
I think they don't quite get how this works. They're either the worst
con men on the net or they're so clever that they *seem*
Nick, don't panic. All's well if there are lingering
messages. I ain't mad.
Don't sweat it. Just thrive.
--- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is a test to see if we can, indeed, moderate
all messages with
Brin: in the subject, so that we can easily shut
off the message flow
From: Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Removing His Name from the subject line
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 22:43:52 -0700
Alberto,
Is there any way to implement this authomatically?
Namely: whenever He
Elitism is undervalued.
Having looked at the broadside-swapping going on here I think I'll
stand up and say, proudly and loudly, that yes, I actually do believe
I'm better than some people.
I might or might not be in fact, but it's something I believe, and I'm
pretty damn sure that most other
On Sep 20, 2004, at 11:53 AM, Dave Land wrote:
On Sep 18, 2004, at 2:09 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
Interestingly enough it's not a new idea.
http://www.bushwatch.com/ashcroft.htm
John Ashcroft and the neo-Confederates
I don't know how literal this is meant to be. I thought at the time
that it
--- Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sep 20, 2004, at 11:53 AM, Dave Land wrote:
On Sep 18, 2004, at 2:09 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
Interestingly enough it's not a new idea.
http://www.bushwatch.com/ashcroft.htm
John Ashcroft and the neo-Confederates
I don't know
Alberto,
If quoting Virgil makes you a snob, then let's have more of it!
Touché. _Recognizing_ Virgil makes you much more snob than me! :-)
I must come clean: It was our dear friend Google who recognized
Virgil.
Dave
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Gautam, et al,
WalMart is (for example) according to a McKinsey
study, responsible for (I believe) _20%_ of the growth
in US productivity in the 1990s. Not WalMart and its
competitors. Just WalMart all by itself.
As if growth in productivity was necessarily an unalloyed
good. There are plenty of
Gautam, et al,
When WalMart moves into a community, it sells a lot
of stuff. It sells a lot of things more cheaply than
anyone else could do it. This has two wonderful
effects. It allows people to buy stuff that they
couldn't otherwise afford (employing more people
making it, etc.). And it
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From: Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: Removing His Name from the subject line
On Sep 19, 2004, at 10:43 PM, Dave Land wrote:
If you're too busy or important (or dumb
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From: Andrew Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 9:59 AM
Subject: RE: indeterminacy, chaos, and complexity -L3
I admire your reference back to basic principals Dan, and applaud it
fully.
We will
Dave Land asked:
Is there any /need/ to implement this automatically?
Yes.
Alberto Monteiro
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Alberto,
Dave Land asked:
Is there any /need/ to implement this automatically?
Yes.
Nick's looking into it.
Meanwhile, I yield my time to the rest of the list.
Dave
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From: kerry miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 13:31:59 -0700 (PDT)
--- Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sep 20, 2004, at 11:53 AM,
--- Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Good for them. Who cares where the health insurance
comes from, as long as it's there?
Lots of people do: look how many people got their
knickers in a knot when the Clintons proposed
Canadian-style national insurance.
Good point :)
(I'm becoming
From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: What are the real rules? Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 16:09:13 -0700
(PDT)
Julia wrote:
You know what would really help? It would really
help if there were
On Sep 19, 2004, at 4:02 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
This gives us a rule for the use of complexity. Complexity can result
in
phenomena that are counter-intuitive to one who just thinks in general
about basic principals. Complexity cannot result in phenomena that
are at
odds with the basic
From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Removing His Name from the subject line
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 20:54:07 -0200
Dave Land asked:
Is there any /need/ to implement this automatically?
On Sep 20, 2004, at 4:18 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On Sep 20, 2004, at 3:54 PM, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Dave Land asked:
Is there any /need/ to implement this automatically?
Yes.
Might one ask why?
I believe one just did.
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From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Bryn: some thoughts and quotes.
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 12:06:53 -0700
Elitism is undervalued.
snip
Here is where the elitist in me rears it's
On Sep 20, 2004, at 4:53 PM, Dave Land wrote:
On Sep 20, 2004, at 4:18 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On Sep 20, 2004, at 3:54 PM, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Dave Land asked:
Is there any /need/ to implement this automatically?
Yes.
Might one ask why?
I believe one just did.
One did indeed; perhaps I
In a message dated 9/18/2004 9:58:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'm a bit biased in this because Gautam and I have differed on politics
civically for many years, both on the list, and I think I have a better
understanding than most of what he really thinks. My
William T Goodall wrote:
http://geraldholmes.freeyellow.com/
Ha! Wish I'd seen that when it was current. Excellent.
Loved the Caldera page - a perfect lesson in how to get your message
across to the non-believers...
Cheers
Russell C.
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On Sep 18, 2004, at 11:00 PM, Robert Seeberger wrote:
How did you like tonights episode?
'T'were a giggle. Rude and entertaining and I liked the improbably
*human* way the F4 clones got their powers -- how Mrs. Impossible got
the power of invisibility ... well, just her skin; or how her brother
From: kerry miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:12:17 -0700 (PDT)
--- Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Good for them. Who cares where the
On Sep 20, 2004, at 4:29 PM, Travis Edmunds wrote:
I thought that was an extremely well-meaning and all-around dandy post
there Warren.
However:
Well-timed silence hath more eloquence than speech.
--Martin Fraquhar Tupper--
:D
[G]enius does what it must.
-- Edward George Bulwer-Lytton
Dave Land wrote:
If quoting Virgil makes you a snob, then let's have more of it!
Touché. _Recognizing_ Virgil makes you much more snob than me! :-)
I must come clean: It was our dear friend Google who recognized
Virgil.
Damn cursed equalizers. It once spoiled me a South Park cryptic
Gautam [I think] wrote:
WalMart is (for example) according to a McKinsey
study, responsible for (I believe) _20%_ of the growth
in US productivity in the 1990s. Not WalMart and its
competitors. Just WalMart all by itself.
No, it was not. It was the _debt_ of the Gulf War, that
made Saudi
Warren Ockrassa wrote:
Is there any /need/ to implement this automatically?
Yes.
Might one ask why?
Yes
Alberto Monteiro
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On Sep 20, 2004, at 5:02 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On Sep 20, 2004, at 4:53 PM, Dave Land wrote:
On Sep 20, 2004, at 4:18 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On Sep 20, 2004, at 3:54 PM, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Dave Land asked:
Is there any /need/ to implement this automatically?
Yes.
Might one ask why?
I
Dave Land wrote:
Is there any /need/ to implement this automatically?
Yes.
Might one ask why?
I believe one just did.
No, he didn't. He asked _if_ one might ask why. But this was the
wrong question: he should have asked _if_ (if I ask why, will you answer
me?)
Alberto Monteiro
Dave Land wrote:
My guess is that our dear Alberto has a heart, and would like to see
two goods come of one act.
Maybe I had, once, but I am now a trainee to play the role of an
evil bloodthirsty capitalist working for a communist company.
Heart is something that I must _not_ have!
Alberto
Hi folks. We've discussed this topic in the past.
Well, I need your help. I have been asked - at the
last minute - to speak on a panel discussing
offshoring and outsourcing. Every single other person
on this panel is vastly older, smarter, and more
accomplished than I am. With my luck,
Behalf Of Doug Pensinger
Why can't we find better people to run the country?
Because no one in their right mind would ever want to go through
this and run for president. I consider myself a moderate liberal.
I can see myself possibly voting for a moderate Republican in some
circumstances.
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Looking at baseball today, where Billy Beane,
Theo Epstein, and Brian Cashman are doing pretty
well
as GMs and widely considered people to emulate, I
know
who's going to win that argument, too.
Let us see who wins the big show.
Well, if your team wins the
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To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: indeterminacy, chaos, and complexity -L3
Dan Minette wrote:
One of the things that I would like to do is break the cycle of
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From: Andrew Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 9:59 AM
Subject: RE: indeterminacy, chaos, and complexity -L3
From: Dan Minette [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
One of the things that I would like to do is
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To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 7:37 PM
Subject: Land: Removing His Name from the subject line
On Sep 20, 2004, at 5:02 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On Sep 20, 2004, at 4:53 PM, Dave
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To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 8:50 PM
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From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs
A few nitpicks on the numbers from an astronomer, which don't change the
eventual conclusion significantly:
At 09:00 PM Monday 9/20/04, Dan Minette wrote:
The sun radiates photons from its surface at ~4000K via blackbody
radiation.
Nit: closer to 6000K.
They peak around yellow, in the
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From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 9:21 PM
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A few nitpicks on the numbers from an astronomer, which don't change the
eventual
At 09:28 PM Monday 9/20/04, Dan Minette wrote:
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To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: indeterminacy, chaos, and complexity
A few nitpicks on the numbers from an
One thing that I have been writing about, perhaps with less clarity than I
would like, is the difference between something being reducible to
observations and being consistent with observations. Another is whether
one can define values like right and wrong or good and evil in terms of
phenomenon.
On 9/20/04 8:55 PM, Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Given the disparity between me and the other people on the panel, I'm not
kidding or engaging in false modesty when I say the odds are that I'm going
to come off very, very badly.
Give me a break, like that's ever going to happen! Just
An excellent synopsis of new, returning and cancelled science fiction
shows.
I am a bit disappointed that Jake 2.0 and 4400 will not be returning, but
some of the shows in development look interesting like Kim Stanley
Robinson's, Red Mars, Quantum Leap and The Andromeda Strain.
On 9/19/04 12:38 PM, iaamoac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Chicago, ever just getting upset by Detroit is nowheres near good
enough to go into Green Bay and win. I like the Packers.
The W stands for wrong! (Say it like Kerry, it makes it funnier)
There is no greater football-related joy in my
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From: Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: Br!n: some thoughts and quotes.
Gautam, et al,
When WalMart moves into a community, it sells a lot
of stuff. It sells a lot of
Has anyone else noticed the resemblance between the Bush administration's
rosy view of events in Iraq and the proclamations of Sadam's information
minister as American troops closed in on Baghdad?
[http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0920/dailyUpdate.html?s=ent2]
or
http://tinyurl.com/5b2tt
Monday's
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