On Sat, Nov 06, 2004 at 12:52:28AM -0700, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
> On Nov 6, 2004, at 12:17 AM, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
>
> >In 1944 vague memories of my long-ago American politics classes
> >suggest that turnout was very high despite being somewhat depressed
> >by the very high number of people in
In terms of voter turnout, the following chart turned up after a quick
Google...
http://www.fairvote.org/turnout/preturn.htm
JDG
John D. Giorgis - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"We have one country, one Constitution, and on
Some excellent pictures of the mountain, crater and eruptions from many
different angles.
May take a while to load for dial-up.
Mount St. Helens, Washington, 2004
Crater, Dome, and Eruption Images
http://tinyurl.com/4z23y
http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Volcanoes/MSH/Images/MSH04/
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http://news.ft.com/cms/s/b7441b2a-2e24-11d9-a86b-0e2511c8.html
Our way or the highway
By Ivo Daalder and James Lindsay
Published: November 5 2004 18:56 | Last updated: November 5 2004 18:56
EXCERPT:
Efforts to improve the UN's capacity to respond to global security
threats are laudable.
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, Gary Nunn wrote:
> Some excellent pictures of the mountain, crater and eruptions from many
> different angles.
>
> May take a while to load for dial-up.
>
>
>
> Mount St. Helens, Washington, 2004
> Crater, Dome, and Eruption Images
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> __
--- Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> -
> YEAR TURNOUT
> =
> 1924 48.9%
> 1928 51.8%
> 1932 52.6%
> 1936 56.8%
> 1940 58.8%
> 1
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From: "Gautam Mukunda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: It seems over...
>
> Thank you, Erik. I was looking for this, but unable
> to find it at 1:00am last night. I appreciate
--- Warren Ockrassa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Oh. So if I prefer vanilla over chocolate, it's
> invalid. Got it. (Never
> mind that I was not the one trying to insert feeling
> and conjecture
> into the discussion to begin with.)
No, but that's not a persuadable point. If you were
trying to
--- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've got a question about your analysis. The years
> you didn't mention
> really didn't fit the pattern. Yes, '68 was quite
> high, but so was '60 and
> '64. In fact, every year in from '52-'68 saw higher
> turnout higher than
> any year from '32-'44
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
>
> No, actually, I know far better than you do that it
> isn't. That's nonsense. It's not coming back.
>
I read somewhere that the "volunteer" soldiers that are dying
in Viet... Oops... Iraq are actually foreigners who want to get
USA citizenship, and the only way to get
Gary Nunn wrote:
>
> Some excellent pictures of the mountain, crater and eruptions from many
> different angles.
>
So, is God punishing the states that voted for Bush? [will God's wrath extend
to Uruguay too?]
Alberto Monteiro
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From: "Gautam Mukunda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: It seems over...
> The base rate might be a more important effect over
> the long run, but I have no idea which one was
>
--- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This model fits the data much better than your 1AM
> explanation. Are you
> getting old Gautam? The ability to think clearly
> and write on no sleep is
> a youthful one. :-)
>
> Dan M.
Yeah, that's exactly the model that I was taught. I
_am_ getting
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From: "Warren Ockrassa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 12:14 AM
Subject: Re: Bush II
>> I'll fully agree with you on one point: our different opinions
> >concerning
>> Bush will be subject to ex
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From: "Alberto Monteiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: Excellent images of Mt. Saint Helens
> Gary Nunn wrote:
> >
> > Some excellent pictures of the mountain, crater and er
At 10:23 AM 11/6/2004 -0600 Dan Minette wrote:
>1) Good times/bad times in the voting year: This is a short term feature,
>and is most responsible for changes from one election to the next.
It would be interesting to correlate voting turnout with the "right
track/wrong track" polling number.
JDG
If this group has some magnitude in numbers, then I imagine
draft will not come back - except when the USA ceases to
be an economically viable place to emigrate to.
Some may be. Enlisting in the US Military has NEVER been subject to the
condition of citizenship. Any person can qualify to join th
At 09:44 AM 11/6/2004 -0600 Dan Minette wrote:
>I've got a question about your analysis. The years you didn't mention
>really didn't fit the pattern. Yes, '68 was quite high, but so was '60 and
>'64. In fact, every year in from '52-'68 saw higher turnout higher than
>any year from '32-'44 (max
I don't agree with everything in here, but this piece is outstanding, and
should be read by everyone interested in electoral politics to at least
consider the ideas he presents.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/06/opinion/06brooks.html?hp
If there are some responses to this I will probably post m
JDG said:
> An a honest question for you, but its a doozy, if you choose to
> accept it: How is this position morally different from being
> "personally opposed to the killing of Jews and counseling against
> it" but ultimately not standing in the way of it?
Whilst these are not morally diffe
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From: "Richard Baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: Abortion Re: The Magic Ingredient?
> (Of course, the Nazis considered Jews to be sub-human so they would
> presumably make
On Sat, Nov 06, 2004 at 06:00:10PM +, Richard Baker wrote:
> and chimpanzee genes. At one end, there's one that's 99% human and
> 1% chimpanzee. At the other end, there's one that's 1% human and
> 99% chimp. Between these extremes they vary in 1% increments. Now,
> which of these (if any) do
Dan said:
> Let's use that arguement. What about infants? The intellectual
> functional ability of a 8 week premature baby is certainly not
> functioanlly equivalent to even a full term infant. Indeed, one
> could make a strong arguement that an adult chimp functions at a
> superior level than
Erik said:
> I can see the soul now!
>
> Soul: [Looks at zygote with 1% chimp] "Oh, yuck, I'm not going
> in there!"
Quite. But if one could see souls, this problem would evaporate (or
would it? what if there were two classes of people who were
indistinguishable in all ways except that one cl
Finally did a little better last week, going 10-5, 62-54 for the year.
Thanks to the NY Giants taking the Minnesota Vikings to the house for the
second straight year, the Upset Special is a very respectable 5-3.
Washington at Detroit - With late word that rookie WR Roy Williams will be
sitting
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From: "Richard Baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: Abortion Re: The Magic Ingredient?
> Dan said:
>
> > Let's use that arguement. What about infants? The intellectual
> >
On Sat, Nov 06, 2004 at 06:30:48PM +, Richard Baker wrote:
> Quite. But if one could see souls, this problem would evaporate (or
> would it?
It seems like a solid problem to me. So...it would sublimate.
--
Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/
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On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, John D. Giorgis wrote:
> Finally did a little better last week, going 10-5, 62-54 for the year.
> Thanks to the NY Giants taking the Minnesota Vikings to the house for the
> second straight year, the Upset Special is a very respectable 5-3.
Much better than my 7-7 last w
Dan said:
> You argue from infintesmals...since one cannot exactly define the
> dividing line, it doesn't exist. But, in reality of course, the
> cluster in gene space that defines humans is a number of SD away
> from the cluster than defines the closest apes.
This may well be so, and yet for an
I said:
> This may well be so, and yet for any pair of species A and B there
> are paths in gene space that have the property that one end of the
> path is in the cluster for species A, the other end of the path is
> in cluster B, and every point along the path gives the genome of a
> viable organ
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From: "Richard Baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: Abortion Re: The Magic Ingredient?
> Dan said:
>
> > You argue from infintesmals...since one cannot exactly define the
> >
On election night at about 7PM local time and right in the middle of
posting a response to something on the list, my PC's motherboard
decided to belly up and die.
My screen froze in mid-post and everything was locked.
So I did what one does in these situations and rebooted.
Dead
Dead
Dead
My P
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, Robert G. Seeberger wrote:
> xponent
> Glad To Be Back Maru
> rob
Glad to have you back. :) Sorry about the motherboard.
I haven't had a motherboard die; it's just been a video card, followed
about 6 months later by the hard drive. And within a couple of weeks of
fixing
Damon wrote:
Some may be. Enlisting in the US Military has NEVER been subject to the
condition of citizenship. Any person can qualify to join the Army, no
matter what country they come from, or what citizenship they hold
(barring any extenuation circumstances, like espionage etc). But I have
d
--- Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm not saying Gautam is wrong, I trust that he
> knows what he's talking
> about in this instance, but I don't want to be
> caught off guard either.
>
> --
> Doug
Thanks, Doug. Just a note - the Washington Post ran
an article on the possibility
Since we've heard a lot about "Red States" and "Blue
States" I thought posting a link to this graphic would
be interesting. I'd been planning on making it
myself, but luckily someone much better at computers
beat me to it. Robert Vanderbei created a map of the
US shaded down to the county level a
I'm wondering what your take is on the draft, Damon. I don't see how Iraq
can be subdued without greater numbers and I think that it's likely that
we'll begin to loose coalition members as the violence continues; what if
the UK pulls out?
Well, its as I had said before: we reap what we sow. Ri
A convenient opportunity to insert the following attempt at humor. Nothing
more.
I wrote:
I'd ask your sensei to allow you to spar with some of the advanced guys. If
this is not possible during class, see if you can get some of the advanced
guys to work with you a little, either before or after
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
> Since we've heard a lot about "Red States" and "Blue
> States" I thought posting a link to this graphic would
> be interesting. I'd been planning on making it
> myself, but luckily someone much better at computers
> beat me to it. Robert Vanderbei cr
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
> Thanks, Doug. Just a note - the Washington Post ran
> an article on the possibility just before the
> election. Quite a few Republicans (myself included,
> actually) thought it was a clear attempt to help the
> Kerry campaign (and thus somewhat out o
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:49:10 -0800 (PST), Gautam Mukunda
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Since we've heard a lot about "Red States" and "Blue
States" I thought posting a link to this graphic would
be interesting. I'd been planning on making it
myself, but luckily someone much better at computers
beat
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From: "Doug Pensinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: Brin: Purple America
> On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:49:10 -0800 (PST), Gautam Mukunda
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Since
--- Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:49:10 -0800 (PST), Gautam
> Mukunda
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Interesting. So do you think we have the numbers we
> need to win the
> peace? The war is becoming very unpopular in the
> UK, what if they pull
> out? I g
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 22:16:18 -0600 (CST), Julia Thompson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
>
> > http://www.kieranhealy.org/files/misc/purple_america_2004_small.gif
>
> I'd like to know what's up with the black counties, though.
>From the orignal site: http:
--- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Realistically, Western Europe needed a leadership in
> commitment by the US
> match up well against Slovenia. Gautam or Damon can
> correct me, but I
> think that Europe has effectively decided (with the
> exception of GB and
> Russia) to effectively no
Howdy.
I'm a bit concerned about how numerous issues in this past
election season have been marginalized, written-off as tinfoil
hat conspiracy theories. Or worse, direct contradictions of
facts ignored. And few people seem to care.
Primarily:
* The mystery bulge on Bush's back on several occasio
--- Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Occasionally the Post will skew things and create
> stuff that just isn't
> there. And if they do it on the wrong story,
> someone a lot closer to the
> facts will harbor a deep mistrust of the paper for
> 10 years or so, and
> will only reluctantly
You know that I also think there is more downside than upside in Iraq, and
I do appreciate the 10k or so troops that the British have in Iraq, but
from a military standpoint, we didn't get much help in Gulf War I or
IIso that going it with just the British will have practically no
effect. If
Damon wrote:
I'm wondering what your take is on the draft, Damon. I don't see how
Iraq can be subdued without greater numbers and I think that it's
likely that we'll begin to loose coalition members as the violence
continues; what if the UK pulls out?
Well, its as I had said before: we reap wh
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, Bryon Daly wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 22:16:18 -0600 (CST), Julia Thompson
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
> >
> > > http://www.kieranhealy.org/files/misc/purple_america_2004_small.gif
> >
> > I'd like to know what's up with t
OK, but if what you're saying is that an 18 division all volunteer army is
possible; we could recruit enough people to fill the ranks, then why
didn't we start doing it after 9/11?
I'm not saying that an all volunteer 18 division army is possible, it has
been done! Prior to GW1 and after Vietna
One other point, though. Damon mentioned two possible
crises the US military might be stretched to face.
Well that's fine, but I think you're fixating on a digression on my part,
and not something I intended to go into detail to defend. I presented a
couple of possible, likely conflicts, but my
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
>
> --- Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Occasionally the Post will skew things and create
> > stuff that just isn't
> > there. And if they do it on the wrong story,
> > someone a lot closer to the
> > facts will harbor a deep mistrust of t
At 08:32 PM 11/6/2004 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote:
>On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 17:49:10 -0800 (PST), Gautam Mukunda
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Since we've heard a lot about "Red States" and "Blue
>> States" I thought posting a link to this graphic would
>> be interesting. I'd been planning on making
At 06:30 PM 11/6/2004 + Richard Baker wrote:
>Quite. But if one could see souls, this problem would evaporate (or
>would it? what if there were two classes of people who were
>indistinguishable in all ways except that one class makes the
>soulometer beep and the other doesn't?).
Speaking for m
Wis. City's Schools Allowing Creationism
GRANTSBURG, Wis. Nov 6, 2004 - The city's school board has revised its
science curriculum to allow the teaching of creationism, prompting an outcry
from more than 300 educators who urged that the decision be reversed.
School board members believed that a
School board members believed that a state law governing the teaching of
evolution was too restrictive. The science curriculum "should not be totally
inclusive of just one scientific theory," said Joni Burgin, superintendent
of the district
I wasn't aware that creationism was a scientific theory..
At 06:00 PM 11/6/2004 + Richard Baker wrote:
>> An a honest question for you, but its a doozy, if you choose to
>> accept it: How is this position morally different from being
>> "personally opposed to the killing of Jews and counseling against
>> it" but ultimately not standing in the way
--- Damon Agretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well that's fine, but I think you're fixating on a
> digression on my part,
> and not something I intended to go into detail to
> defend. I presented a
> couple of possible, likely conflicts, but my point
> is that at this
> juncture, the military w
JDG wrote:
First, am I the only one who found Doug's response here to be quite the
non sequitur?
How so?
Secondly, for whatever it is worth, I would point out that Kerry never
indicated for a moment that he had a better plan for winning this thing
than Bush did..>>
The election's over John.
--
Dou
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, Doug Pensinger wrote:
> JDG wrote:
>
> >
> > First, am I the only one who found Doug's response here to be quite the
> > non sequitur?
>
> How so?
I thought it looked like a response to something in a different thread.
The "Purple America" thread seemed to be about coun
Gautam wrote:
Well, first, I don't agree with that interpretaion of
what happened in Vietnam. After the Tet Offensive the
"insurgency" per se was basically non-existent in
South Vietnam. Almost all major military engagements
were with North Vietnamese troops who crossed the
border.
I'm all but po
Julia Thompson wrote:
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, Doug Pensinger wrote:
JDG wrote:
>
> First, am I the only one who found Doug's response here to be quite
the
> non sequitur?
How so?
I thought it looked like a response to something in a different thread.
The "Purple America" thread seemed to be about co
John wrote:
This is, of course, my point. Throughout human history one group of
humans has sought to define a nother group of humans that are "not like
us" in some way, as not having the full rights of humanity.In every
previous case, we have gone on to look with horror upon those who make
t
I'm all but positive that the Vietcong was _very_ active right up to the
end of the conflict and I believe that the political wing even took charge
briefly following the U.S. evacuation.
Most of the histories I've read suggest that after Tet the VC ceased to be
an effective or meaningful field
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