lieving in religion isn't the same as believing all
religion is evil.
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u are placing
Hinduism here, then how do you square that with the other traditions I
mentioned earlier, and your statement that all religions peddle lies as
truths?
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red to believe in is
what one has seen and experienced for oneself - that all else ought to be
dismissed as the babbling of fools...
So yes, it depends on the religion, and the form of the particular
religion
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ganda. I'd end up driving myself nuts trying to inject some sort of
historical realism into his delusions, and there is no point to it as he
could research the history himself if he is interested in facts.
> Zelazny-Like Maru
Now that is high praise indeed.
Ritu, who is still impressed by Zelazny's research for _Lord of Light_
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Rich said:
> Let's also not forget the great Hellenistic centre of learning at
> Alexandria, which included the famous library.
I sometimes wish I can forget it...thinking of what happened still makes
me feel like crying...
Ritu
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famous ancient Indian universities [some of them were
established centuries before Christ was born], Al Azhar was an Islamic
university, established sometime in the 9th century AD and predated the
first Chritian-Era European university by almost 2 centuries.
an Academy? OR Ratnagiri? Or Al-Azhar?
I mean, come *on*...
> The Taste Of Sincerety Maru
To me it read like the unbalanced fervour of a new convert. Especially
in view of the eagerness to trash other belief systems, and ignore
documented facts.
Ritu
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ovements for reformation, as well as the birth of new
religions [Buddhism, Jainism] in response to the oppressive Brahmanic
creed exemplified by Manu's dogma.
> Gary -> who suspects that he will regret asking this question.
I tried. :)
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Nick Arnett asked:
> Okay... Ritu, did you really mean to say that the Coalition
> (not the US,
> John) is totally responsible for all of the Iraqis killing
> Iraqis these days?
Nope. The Coalition, as I mentioned in the mail John quoted, is
responsible for enabling the situat
Finally!
I have been reading excerpts but it took me almost the entire day to
work my way down to this message.
JDG wrote:
> Ritu, it seems that you, Nick, and even Dan missed the point here.
>
> The proposition was made here that the US is responsible for all the
> deaths curren
o if the US withdraws, AQ is not sure that they
have enough of a toe-hold to stay on in Iraq.
None of this means, of course, that they wouldn't crow to high heaven
and proclaim victory the minute a departure is announced.
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JDG wrote:
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Ritu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Similarly, I find the notion of bombing a people into democracy and
> > gratitude stupid. And I really honestly do not believe that Bush's
> > failure of imaginati
n the market
> and knows
> > what it is doing.
>
> OK, and what countries exactly rated higher than the United
> States on this List?
The closes rivals in terms of being unfriendly to travelers were the Mid
East and the Indian Subcontinent, in that order.
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Doug wrote:
> Not a git, maru
Ah, wisdom. :)
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a supporter of a genocidal murderer' is not a valid
choice. Not when the proposed plan is ridiculous.
> In doing so, "the other alternatives were all worse" would be
> a valid argument.
Yes, but to say that other alternatives would have had to be explored.
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I'd
assume that the company has a good reputation in the market and knows
what it is doing.
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JDG wrote:
> And that's because the policy of the rest of the world was to
> support the reign of terror of Saddam Hussein ad infinitum
Only if you share Bush's Manichean world-view. I don't. But we have
covered this ground earlier, befor
in that mail is 1991, and 15 years do not denote
a generational change.
I thought he was pointing out that the US has faced far greater threats
with more equanimity, and not even all that long ago. Nothing about
earlier generations being more stoic than the curren
dly country', worse than even the ME and the subcontinent
[which was a bit of a surprise]. The article I read ended with a line to
the effect that people were more worried about US immigration than about
terrorism or crime. :)
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r bombs
> that it would produce.
This is interesting. What do you base this on?
> Other than that, though, I'm not worried.
That's nice. :)
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merican perspective and are
under the impression that Rich is an old American...
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, it is because the
Coalition enabled such a situation to arise. So, for quite a lot of us,
all the Iraqi deaths post 2003 are on the Coalition's head. Shouldn't be
a surprise as Powell did give a fair warning about breaking and owning.
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ewhat would be a robust UN
force but that is not going to happen. So, in practical terms, Iraq
would be on its own and we'd have to wait and see what'd happen there.
Callous as it sounds, sooner or later things will come down to that. The
only question is when and under what circumstances.
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f petal-strewn cakewalks couldn't be
*that* naïve?
> We have failed to make Iraq secure for Iraqis, so how can it
> make sense for us to teach them how to make their country secure?
Very few things about this Iraq adventure have made sense. Why should
that change now?
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JDG wrote:
> O.k., Nick - you've been made President of the United States.
> What's your Iraq policy?To stop teaching the Iraqi police and
> military? Anything else?
Is this game only for Nick or can anyone play?
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eld in the open air. The
only exception to that rule is if you get married in a temple.
I got married in a garden at the rents' home, then in a chapel in Korea,
and then in a vast hall in J's family's gathering house. But we got the
legal certificate
s last for weeks,
with the actual ceremony going upto 7-8 hours.
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weapons of mass destruction, and the
> continued loss of some of America's finest sons and daughters."
This would be the same speech in which he also said that 'we are
winning', right?
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.
For what it's worth, Bush's presidency has made me more benign towards
Nehru and VP Singh. I still think they were both disastrous in a lot of
important ways, but now I can appreciate the fact that things really
could have been much worse.
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> it, not sure
> how I'll manage that right now
Dan?
A tripod?
The kids? [both of mine have gotten quite good at taking my pics]
I am sure you can think of something. :)
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constitution, the rule of law, a republican democracy, the separation of
powers, the federal and secular nature of the polity, and individual
freedom of the individuals.
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ff a citizen good and true for a
> couple of years.
And the economic and social effects are likely to last longer than that.
And since we are all being so cheerful and festive [well, *I* am, what
with typing with hennaed hands], Happy Diwali. :)
Ritu
e usual recourse when a
> citizen of one state is captured by the government of another
> state. If the citizen is captured in the US, they'd have no
> more influence than the US has when its citizens are arrested
> in Turkey.
Yep. But the number of Indian citizens travelli
50r and 950x
[subchapter VII for both] are vague enough to be used to argue a
suspension of Haebus Corpus for citizens if the need arises.
If it was my govt I'd be very curious as to why they needed to introduce
the concepts of both UEC and Alien UEC.
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o tries them and where. But after this
Bill, no US citizen can approach the courts and ask to be either charged
and tried, or released. Instead, they have to wait for some bureaucrat
or the other to decide what to with them, and when.
I am a bit surprised you don't notice this - the mili
ad a risk as a Govt intent on stripping
rights from its citizens. All the terrorists can do is kill some people
and blow up some buildings/vehicles. Govts can tear apart the fabric of
a polity. Pointing that out, and resisting it, is not fear-mongering, it
is the duty of every citizen.
Ritu
Republicans are elected
> to be "principle" rather than "personal safety."
Would *you* describe it as 'fear for personal safety'?
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g of these houses
overflowing with books...
All I remember about last night is my dream about reading this *great*
book [dunno which one]. When the hubby tried to wake me up this morning,
I apparently snapped at him and told him to wait until I had read the
last chapter... :)
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Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
> Hence my comment about a choice (?) between Tweedledumb and
> Tweedledumber.
>
> Assign The Correspondence As You Wish Maru
You don't hand out easy assignments, do you? ;)
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> I know. I was being funny and throwing rotten fruit at you,
> metaphorically speaking. :-)
:p
Meanie!
Being nasty and all, and just because I have good taste in books
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ed by the system itself.
For any far-reaching change, you need a wide-enough popular base of
support to make any accidents or disappearance more troublesome than the
thoughts you are preaching. Gandhi is a wonderful case-study of this
phenomenon.
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accept the fact that you're likely have only one term in office. That
is, if no one assassinates you soon after you put the changes into
practice.
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etween Tweedledumb and Tweedledumber. :)
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luable in sorting such stuff out.
Sigh. I am missing elections now...they are such fun. When else can one
see CMs running after and tackling people who try to run away with
ballot boxes?
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t;:/
Oh, that made the papers here. I sometimes think we have a
Kissinger-Watch going on since the 1970s. :)
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at the national level. A few states are still run by the
BJP, and those are the states where anti-conversion laws are being
passed.
Really nasty people, propagating the most hateful of ideas under the
guise of patriotism and national security. Its sister organisations, the
RSS and the VHP, are equ
itely bought into it, but so did the citizens. At least that is how
it appears from here. The massive support for the Iraq war, the frequent
invocation of the mushroom cloud during arguments and debates in the
run-up to the same war, all such things strongly suggested fear.
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f people, theoretically working for public good,
subvert laws and institutions of a country. But this is the first time
I've ever seen a near complete subversion of a constitution. Bush & Co
make the BJP look good, and I never thought I'd ever say that a
ashion; and the ability to define anyone - including
> American citizens
> - as an "enemy combatant" to be held indefinitely, without charges or
> evidence being presented.
Well, look at the bright side - at least Abu Ghraib isn't a scandal
anymore. It is now the la
t up as muslims, and don't
really care about the religious restrictions/instructions, or about
praying/mosques etc.
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7;ve been known to crib about that
during my pregnancies...
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Charlie wrote:
> > But I wrote none of the lines you quoted. The first bit is
> Nick's. :)
>
> Well, why didn't you say that then? :p
Because I expect the primary attribution to relate directly to the line
one is responding to... :p
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> > Charlie said:
> >>
> >> Ritu wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> That has nothing to do with economic justification for war.
> >>>>
> >>>> To say the same thing differently, if there is such a
> >>
Charlie said:
>
> Ritu wrote:
> >>
> >> That has nothing to do with economic justification for war.
> >>
> >> To say the same thing differently, if there is such a
> thing as a just
> >> war, economics isn't how it i
I said:
> I was saving up qone uestion for you:
That was 'one question' btw... :)
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ow many translations would Fool need to own for his statement to be
factually accurate?
And 'tis okay if you don't want to/can't answer that, and I can be
mailed off-list as well. :)
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east should have been procurement. Halutz taking the time out to sell
his war portfolio on the 12th of July is profiteering.
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, like politely excusing myself and finding a bathroom.
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up" in a
different body each day...
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Alberto wrote
> And who's bringing the fried babies, and who's bringing the
> living sacrificial victms whose heart we will extract and eat?
Alberto,
If you don't want to host the party, just say so. We'll just find
another venue. There's no need to rustle u
hen applied to inter-cultural matters. We humans are too different in
too many ways too ever subscribe to a uniformity of ideas in any field.
If God exists, I expect Her to realise that.
Of course, none of the above is surprising given my society and
upbringing. :)
> I have a head full of cotton wool,
Charlie said:
> Bloody cold medication says "don't drink". So I stopped taking it -
> there's no way I'm not drinking at my own party tonight... :D
*g*
Well, from extensive experience, I can tell you that you will be just
fine tonight, but will feel like d
Charlie Bell wrote:
> Good question. Where does "devout" become "fanatical"? I think you
> may be onto something here.
When the choices of others are involved?
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esn't mean we need to be rude about it, or "point
> and laugh" or whatever.
That means that it would be rude to say anything about the notion of
'One and Only True Way', doesn't it?
Sniff.
I thought as much...
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ood writing,let's not forget the good writing...
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ity. Belief doesn't have
much of a role in understanding scriptures, but if we had enough
information, I would not be surprised to find that belief might have
actually hindered such understanding over the centuries rather than
helped it along.
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thetic reasons.
While I have met many believers who eat or don't eat meat because of
their religious beliefs, I am yet to come across anyone who refuses to
eat meat because they have no religious beliefs.
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n they all worship
each other when the mood strikes them, and help each other when the mood
strikes them...In the end, and maybe even in the beginning, there is the
Param Brahm though, and nobody knows anything much about *that*. I
believe reams upon reams were once written to specu
ve a set of rules to
follow and enforce. The rules weren't devised by them but their help is
needed to ensure that those inclined towards bullying don't get away
with it. Since, direct divine intervention hardly occurs, there are a
lot of tales and sayings pra
celebrate the 100th anniversary of the day Gandhi
launched Satyagraha in South Africa.
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ons. So different
people, at different times, have seen pink, blue, green, teal, and red
'unicorns'.
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Rich said:
> > Have you read Steinbeck's _St. Katherine_? :)
>
> No, I haven't. I'll look out for it.
Its a short story and the collection is called _The Red Pony_.
A lot of good stories in there. :)
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just humans], take the form
of a fish, a tortoise, a boar, man-lion hybrid etc. And one of Shiva's
incarnation was in the form of a monkey, and he was a prophet to the
monkeys.
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Failing that, I can conceive of no
reason why somebody else's interpretation of what She might or might not
want should matter to me.
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, and Uruguay
> classes talk a lot about their war of independence
> [which here is merely a footnote].
True enough. :)
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s
country shares with mine. But since I already have been told that the
British Raj isn't taught in extensive detail in Britain, I had no such
expectations.
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heist to recognise and
try to stop perversions of the same.
So if religion is evil because some can and do pervert it, surely it
must also be good when some move to address these perversions?
> As for Indian history - I have read _Midnight's C
'British Empire tried to
suppress religion'.
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there ever was one. NATLFED has been put on many
cult watch lists.
The term has become a loaded one and you'd find many such examples in
sociology, psychology and political science.
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Charlie Bell wrote:
> >> What is religious freedom if it isn't that?
> >
> > That you're, again, deliverately using a cult - NOT a religion
>
> Isn't a cult a subset of "religion"?
Yep. But it is also a subset of 'society
> Not even strident ones. Many people believe that our fellow great
> apes deserve more consideration (limited "human" rights, if you
> will), than, say, cows.
I have nothing against the great apes but why demote the cows to make the
apes feel better?
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GCU From Sacred to
Charlie said:
> > One of the biggest reason for C-sections over here is to ensure the
> > time
> > of birth. So that the kid's horoscope is auspicious
>
> And there you have it. :-)
The prize for silliest possible reason? ;)
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y transfer the foetus to an artificial
womb...I also find myself wondering if women who want to bear their own
children would be considered the ideal women, or if people would start
finding them weird/crazy.
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are nurtured properly?'
> The fundamental axiom difference is this: the pro-life position holds
> that fetuses are humans with human rights. The pro-choice position
> holds that they are not.
See the first paragraph of this mail. You are assuming my positions,
simply because I am questioning JDG's position.
Mind you, I'm not even sure that that holds true for all American
pro-choicers either but that is not an area I know much about.
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e bit about different axiom sets? Is it because
I think that the right to life is enjoyed even after birth and JDG was
just talking about until birth? That's not different axiom sets, Dan. That
is just a difference in the length of time we are considering. Everything
else is the same -
nd to consider his patient's well-being
first, and the unborn baby hasn't hired the doctor...
Also, once, if, the abortion rates go down, who does what to ensure that
the unwanted born babies are nurtured properly?
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t as well start feeling
guilty about deforestation everytime I eat a sprout...
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specially if they are rich. Even if it is illegal. So might as well keep
it legal and tax it high. It is a luxury medical service after all.
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about at all.
Hmm, _UoW_ is definitely worth a read. Even if you can see certain
things before Banksie wants you to see them. It is also a rather dark
book.
_Excession_ ,otoh, was a book which made me laugh out loud many, many
times. I think it just mig
n a fan of keeping people in forcibly, but I do not
> > share this love of dismemberment, David. :)
>
> Ritu-- I was overstating things to get a reaction, I guess.
Fair enough. :)
> If a
> whole bunch of really different regions want to be one country, fine.
> On the ot
> obviously inferior to linguistic or ethnic reasons?
>
> "Historic reasons" was my euphemism for "somebody conquered
> all these places, and decided to call it a country". If
> history matters that much, the groups can always choose to
> stay together.
>
ts are 'massively
in arrears'. Am not sure how much has actually been paid. But even if we
assume that most of the payments have been made, it is still way less
than 99.9%.
Ritu
* - The biggest contributors here are the countries from the developing
world. The top twenty contributors are from
ust how often and how well
these laws would be enforced. Property prices crash when the nation is
in a turmoil due to a partition and relocation, government funds are
tied up in protective and relief measures. New nations are also free to
go to war with each other and then make it close to impossible for their
new enemy's citizens to enter their nation.
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as between nil and zilch. Besides, such partitions
> not only
> > give boost to sectarian violence, they are almost always
> the cause of
> > further unrest.
>
> Ritu--
>
> I maintain that a peaceful partition is better than
> a decade of civil war, followed b
t would be a very messy situation even with the
best of planning and execution, and I doubt that either the planning or
the execution would be anything to write home about.
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Doug Pensinger asked
> ...anyone else read it yet?
Finished it last September.
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more days. Wednesday morning I
saw your mail here and thoght, "I am delusional..." ;)
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cause I'm fairly certain it's the latter.
This makes me wonder who would be paying more attention to his words -
the citizens of his own country, or those of the country he invaded?
Ritu, who still bemused by Bush's claim that Iranians have said they
want nukes.
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