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From: "Doug Pensinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 7:49 PM
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> Dan wrote:
>
> > So, is your argument that the first step in the plan was to facili
Dan wrote:
So, is your argument that the first step in the plan was to facilitate a
major terrorist attack on the US, like 9-11?
Via negligence, yes. But I'm not saying Bush knew anything about it.
Hell he was on vacation most of the time and he's as dumb as a shirt
anyway. Cheney, Rumsfe
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From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 21:33:10 -0800
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: "Let's Roll"
> OK, let me accept that he was more interested in Iraq than AQ. The
> number of public statements he m
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From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 21:33:10 -0800
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
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>> Bush wasn't interested in nation buildingboth his statements and his
>> actions indicated th
Dan wrote:
No, I made it based on his actions and statements concerning the Balkans
immediately after he was elected. A summation of the administrations
attitude is at
http://www.worldpress.org/0901cover3.htm
Bush wasn't interested in nation buildingboth his statements and his
actions in
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From: "Robert Seeberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 7:37 PM
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> Dan Minette wrote:
> >> My concern WRT the conspiracy theories is
Dan Minette wrote:
>> My concern WRT the conspiracy theories is in the way 3 WTC
>> buildings
>> collapsed fairly squarely into thier footprints. It is quite
>> difficult to *make* this occur (in the sense that work must be done
>> to garuantee it), yet 3 WTC buildings did just that on their own
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From: "Robert Seeberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 7:26 PM
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> Dan Minette wrote:
> > Looking at the contention that the nature of the c
Dan Minette wrote:
> Looking at the contention that the nature of the collapse was
> consistent with demolition instead of desctruction by a shock wave
> going downwards, we can look at:
>
> http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/videos/#northtower
>
> The composit ABC vidio shows pretty clearly
> My concern WRT the conspiracy theories is in the way 3 WTC buildings
> collapsed fairly squarely into thier footprints. It is quite difficult
> to *make* this occur (in the sense that work must be done to garuantee
> it), yet 3 WTC buildings did just that on their own and one was not
> even hit
Looking at the contention that the nature of the collapse was consistent
with demolition instead of desctruction by a shock wave going downwards, we
can look at:
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/videos/#northtower
The composit ABC vidio shows pretty clearly that the bottom parts of the
bu
Horn, John wrote:
>> On Behalf Of Dave Land
>
>> And it's not just that people described the plane hitting the
>> tower as "an explosion", it's the reports -- many of them at
>> the time they happened -- of "there goes another explosion".
>> There are radio recordings of lots of firefighters report
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> On Behalf Of Dave Land
> And it's not just that people described the plane hit
> On Behalf Of Dave Land
> And it's not just that people described the plane hitting the
> tower as "an explosion", it's the reports -- many of them at
> the time they happened -- of "there goes another explosion".
> There are radio recordings of lots of firefighters reported
> "secondary expl
> n Behalf Of Julia Thompson
> And then there's the question, is it a firecracker or a gun?
> If you hear enough of both, you learn to tell the difference
> in sound. Or so I've been told by someone who lived on a
> really bad street in DC for a year.
But could that person tell the differenc
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From: "Doug Pensinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 9:50 PM
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> Dan wrote:
>
> > The reason I bring these examples up is that they h
Dan wrote:
The reason I bring these examples up is that they help illustrate the
main points that I hope we can agree upon before considering the issue.
The first is that we should accept the same technique to evaluate
arguments supporting positions that we tend to favor as we do those
posi
I'm about to go out, so I thought I'd add one more thing to my list of
rules of thumb that directly affects the WTC question. I went to a number
of "conspiracy" web sites and found a consistent theme that the collapse
was inconsistent with the explanation by the government.
I thought that such a
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> > 1) Commercial planes were not really hijacked on 9-11
> > 2) Commercial
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> Robert Seeberger wrote:
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>> S
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 06:21 PM Wednesday 1/4/2006, Robert Seeberger wrote:
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Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 02:31 PM Wednesday 1/4/2006, Julia Thompson wrote:
Robert Seeberger wrote:
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At 06:21 PM Wednesday 1/4/2006, Robert Seeberger wrote:
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> Robert Seeberger wr
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> Robert Seeberger wrote:
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> Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > Deborah Harrell wrote:
> >When I lived in one of many "DMZ"s in Dallas, I
> >learned the difference between
> 'happy-it's-the-weekend
> >gunfire' vs. drug-deal-gone-bad gunfire .
> The former, however, can still hurt you if you
> happen to be
At 02:48 PM Wednesday 1/4/2006, Deborah Harrell wrote:
When I lived in one of many "DMZ"s in Dallas, I
learned the difference between 'happy-it's-the-weekend
gunfire' vs. drug-deal-gone-bad gunfire. It was the
rapidity of fire marking the latter, and sometimes
higher caliber weapons.
The fo
At 02:31 PM Wednesday 1/4/2006, Julia Thompson wrote:
Robert Seeberger wrote:
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Jus
At 09:13 AM Wednesday 1/4/2006, Robert J. Chassell wrote:
Dave Land <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
I know that other 9/11 analyses have been posted to this list, but
I came across a one-hour documentary that concludes that "it is
more likely than not that the government was actually behin
On Jan 4, 2006, at 11:44 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
From: "Dave Land" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Something happened on 9/11 other than the official version, and the
price has been the real security of the USA.
Before I respond, I'd like to ask a question of you and Nick. Are you
arguing.
1) Commercia
> Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Horn, John wrote:
> > So, some firefighters said over the radio that
> something sounded
> > like a bomb. So what? That's probably what it
> did sound like.
> > That doesn't make it a bomb.
> And then there's the question, is it a firecracker
>
Dave Land <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
I know that other 9/11 analyses have been posted to this list, but
I came across a one-hour documentary that concludes that "it is
more likely than not that the government was actually behind the
attacks" ...
Yes, that is worth checking.
As I s
Robert Seeberger wrote:
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Just stumbled on this this morning. It is an "
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From: "Dave Land" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 10:02 PM
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>
> Something happened on 9/11 other than the official version, and the
> pric
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> Just stumbled on this this morning. It is an "Unreal" (the g
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From: "Dave Land" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 2:11 AM
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> I can't help but think that I'm turning into a relative in my family
> who
Doug Pensinger wrote:
The one possible conspiracy that would require few people to commit and
would thus be more easily contained; willful negligence.
I believe the FBI were at the PA crash site quicker than any response to
the Radar Operators' queries about military action against the rogue
Michael wrote:
As utterly despicable and hateable as Bush, Cheyney, and Rumsfeld are,
there is nothing here to prove anything other than what was said in the
official story occurred. I can understand why people love conspiracies,
I used to be a Roswell Aliens, crop circle, JFK assassination,
Dave Land wrote:
On Jan 3, 2006, at 1:23 PM, Nick Arnett wrote:
The most significant accounts of multiple explosions came from
firefighters
inside the WTC. Those are people who know what explosions sound
like. And
unless they thought they were truly significant and not just the
sort o
On Jan 3, 2006, at 1:23 PM, Nick Arnett wrote:
On 1/3/06, Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
And then there's the question, is it a firecracker or a gun? If you
hear enough of both, you learn to tell the difference in sound.
Or so
I've been told by someone who lived on a really bad
On 1/3/06, Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> And then there's the question, is it a firecracker or a gun? If you
> hear enough of both, you learn to tell the difference in sound. Or so
> I've been told by someone who lived on a really bad street in DC for a
> year.
>
> A bomb is j
On Jan 3, 2006, at 10:45 AM, Richard Baker wrote:
Dave said:
But I'm not really that concerned about being that freaky
relative: If a group of men with last names like Bush and Cheney
and Rove in fact murdered 3000 of my fellow Americans to further
their political aims, then I owe my son
Dave said:
But I'm not really that concerned about being that freaky relative:
If a group of men with last names like Bush and Cheney and Rove in
fact murdered 3000 of my fellow Americans to further their
political aims, then I owe my son and his generation nothing less.
Don't you think t
Horn, John wrote:
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Land
I know that other 9/11 analyses have been posted to this
list, but I came across a one-hour documentary that concludes
that "it is more likely than not that the government was
actually behind the attacks"
I have not had a
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Land
>
> I know that other 9/11 analyses have been posted to this
> list, but I came across a one-hour documentary that concludes
> that "it is more likely than not that the government was
> actually behind the attacks"
I have not had a chance to
Dave Land wrote:
>I can't help but think that I'm turning into a relative in my
>family who has always been a JFK-assassination conspiracy freak as I
>become more and more interested in uncovering the truth of 9/11.
It depends. Have you invested heavily in tinfoil yet? :)
On a more serious n
Dave Land wrote:
I can't help but think that I'm turning into a relative in my family who
has always been a JFK-assassination conspiracy freak as I become more
and more interested in uncovering the truth of 9/11.
I love conspiracies for entertainment value alone. (My interests lie in
virtual
r calls viewers to join
with Beamer in voting to stop those who have highjacked our country,
whatever the cost -- "Let's Roll" to stop those who would destroy
this nation in order to own it.
I can't help but think that I'm turning into a relative in my family
who ha
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