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Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 12:37 AM
Subject: Re: Wal-Mart efficiency (was Re: My annual Xmas tirade...)
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> Are you seriously saying that walmart sells for
> From: Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> From: "The Fool"
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> > Do you exclude food from your calculations? (Most food isn't grown
in
> > Red China)
>
> No, I didn't realize that certain things "didn't count" as products
for
> you. But, I'll be happy to look at non-food items as a catagor
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From: "The Fool" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Do you exclude food from your calculations? (Most food is
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote,
One of the basic precepts of free market economics is competition
between suppliers. ...
Many of these companies (eg Walmart) are growing so huge and
powerful that they are endangering that. Here in Australia we
have basically two large food etc super
On 12/24/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
wrote:
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> > ... ignoring the impact on people who are
> marginalized
> >by the changes brought about by Wal-Mart's tactics is bad, in my opinion.
>
>
> But, isn't the fact that Wal-Mart cut prices by innovation good? Isn't
> making the nation, a
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
> Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Stores are ecconomic entities. Forcing people to buy from less
efficent
> stores is an ecconomic decision. What other factors, that are not
tied to
> jobs, prices, income, etc. are you thinking of? I kno
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From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 12/23/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
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>
>The fact that Wal-Mart can make money and people end up driving
farther
doesn't
>make it good that they've driven smaller businesses out of bus
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From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 09:14:35 -0800
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: Wal-Mart efficiency (was Re: My annual Xmas tirade...)
On 12/23/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> For example,
On 12/23/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> For example, you brought up that cost is not the only measure, the
> distance
> needed to travel to shop is a factor that has to be included. The counter
> would be that shoppers at Wal-Mart have already made this
> tradeoff. People
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>> And cutting unnecessary costs. Wal-Mart has driven up
>>_productivity_.
>'Productivity' is just another word for the 'efficiency' that you
>worship like a supply sider.
Like Brad Delong and Paul Krugman?
---
Who both argue for the joys of 'free trade' as
>> And cutting unnecessary costs. Wal-Mart has driven up
>>_productivity_.
>'Productivity' is just another word for the 'efficiency' that you
>worship like a supply sider.
Like Brad Delong and Paul Krugman? Are you seriously arguing against the
notion that improved productivity has been the fo
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From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 09:08:30 -0800
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: Wal-Mart efficiency (was Re: My annual Xmas tirade...)
On 12/22/05, Dan Minette
On 22 Dec 2005, at 6:01 pm, Dave Land wrote:
On Dec 22, 2005, at 9:08 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
On 12/22/05, Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
And cutting unnecessary costs. Wal-Mart has driven up
_productivity_.
Again, by one measure. Who is measuring the productivity of the
fami
On Dec 22, 2005, at 9:08 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
On 12/22/05, Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
And cutting unnecessary costs. Wal-Mart has driven up
_productivity_.
Again, by one measure. Who is measuring the productivity of the
families
and communities that are impacted by Wal-Ma
On Dec 22, 2005, at 3:50 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
Small businesses offer less in the way of health insurance than big
businesses.
And Wal-Mart offers even less than most small businesses. Are you
sure you're helping your case?
Dave
___
http://www.mccm
> From: Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> From: "Nick Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> On 12/21/05, Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >That it drives out small businesses that create qualitative and
> > >hard-to-quantify benefits?
> >
> > Sure, it drives out small businesses. S
On 12/22/05, Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> But, the efficiency improvement from Wal-Mart is documented. It is really
> efficiency.
That's only one measurement. Surely you don't think that prices and profits
are all there is to evaluating Wal-Mart? Are you unwilling to consider
o
At 09:39 PM Wednesday 12/21/2005, The Fool wrote:
> From: Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> From: "The Fool"
>
> > --
> > From: Dave Land <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > And no, I don't want us to be communist or something else,
> > I just don't want my economy destroyed by rapacity.
> >
> >
On 22 Dec 2005, at 3:07 am, Russell Chapman wrote:
William T Goodall wrote:
Microsoft attained its dominant position in the personal computer
software business through
1) Luck
2) Illegal business practices
3) The mistakes of its competitors
and since
a) Luck eventually runs out
b) Microsof
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From: "Nick Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: Wal-Mart efficiency (was Re: My annual Xmas tirade...)
On 12/21/05, Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> From: "The Fool"
>
> > --
> > From: Dave Land <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > And no, I don't want us to be communist or something else,
> > I just don't want my economy destroyed by rapacity.
> >
> >
> > Since most products sold at walmart are
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> --
> From: Dave Land <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jim Sharkey wrote:
William T Goodall wrote:
Max Battcher wrote:
Last time I saw anything: 75-80% total, 50% or less of the Server
market, 50% or less of the "nerd" market.
Whatever the peak was it's certainly in decline now.
Yeah, Gates is letting his guard slip with all that sissy-ass
Alberto Monteiro wrote:
> I agree that any OS should include those things. But Micro$oft is
> Evil not for including them, but for _not_ including other basic
> things that any decent OS should include, like _any_ programming
> language support (C, C++, or even b*sic), any reasonable text
> editor,
William T Goodall wrote:
Microsoft attained its dominant position in the personal computer
software business through
1) Luck
2) Illegal business practices
3) The mistakes of its competitors
and since
a) Luck eventually runs out
b) Microsoft is now closely scrutinised to ensure it doesn't break
> From: Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> From: "Dave Land" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> >
> > >> It may have had something to do with a small cadre of
power-hungry,
> > >> greedy bastards who manipulated the system for their benefit.
>
> But, they didn't manipulate the system for their personal be
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From: Dave Land <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
And no, I don't want us to be communist or something else,
I just don't want my economy destroyed by rapacity.
Since most products sold at walmart are made in china, shopping there
is proping up and supporting red communism.
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On 12/21/05, Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> >That it drives out small businesses that create qualitative and
> >hard-to-quantify benefits?
>
> Sure, it drives out small businesses. Small businesses are rather
> inefficient at selling, and have to pass the cost on to the customer.
> T
On 21 Dec 2005, at 7:04 pm, Jim Sharkey wrote:
William T Goodall wrote:
Max Battcher wrote:
Last time I saw anything: 75-80% total, 50% or less of the Server
market, 50% or less of the "nerd" market.
Whatever the peak was it's certainly in decline now.
Yeah, Gates is letting his guard sli
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To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 6:03 PM
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> >> It may have had something to do with a sm
On Dec 21, 2005, at 3:52 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
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From: "Dave Land" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Dec 20, 2005, at 8:57 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
From: "The Fool" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Ineffiencies *are* the economy. Perfect efficiencies would lead
to 0%
employment and comp
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Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 4:46 PM
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> On Dec 20, 2005, at 8:57 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
&
On Dec 21, 2005, at 3:29 PM, Dave Land wrote:
...
Forgot the one about underpricing competition until it goes
out of business so that it is free to claim the 'lowest prices'
in town, because nobody else is in town. They even installed
gas pumps at some of their stores so that none of the gas
sta
On Dec 21, 2005, at 12:35 PM, Nick Arnett wrote:
On 12/21/05, Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Wal-Mart's latest (fiscal year ending 1-05) profit margin was 3.6%.
They make a good deal of profit, 10 billion, but on slim margins.
This is in contrast with Microsoft, which has a profit marg
On Dec 20, 2005, at 8:57 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
From: "The Fool" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Ineffiencies *are* the economy. Perfect efficiencies would lead
to 0%
employment and complete economic collapse.
Ah, so that explains why the economy of the Soviet Union
outperformed the
US for so long
Dan Minette wrote:
>a wearable shirt costs...at Walmat
To me, that's a contradiction in terms. My personal experiences with
clothes purchased at Wal-Mart is that you get *exactly* what you pay
for. Cheap clothes that look like crap after just a few washings.
Maybe others have had different
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On 12/21/05, Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 12/21/05, Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> Wal-Mart's latest (fiscal year ending 1-05) profit margin was 3.6%. They
> make a good deal of profit, 10 billion, but on slim margins. This is in
> contrast with Microsoft, which has a profit margin of ~32% and about 13
> billion in profi
William T Goodall wrote:
>Max Battcher wrote:
>> Last time I saw anything: 75-80% total, 50% or less of the Server
>> market, 50% or less of the "nerd" market.
>Whatever the peak was it's certainly in decline now.
Yeah, Gates is letting his guard slip with all that sissy-ass
philanthropy Bono's
On 21 Dec 2005, at 8:28 am, Max Battcher wrote:
I play Microsoft's advocate from time to time, because as evil as
people think they are they are more often just misunderstood, IMNSHO.
However evil people think Microsoft is it is actually more evil than
that :)
People seem to anthropomor
Max Battcher wrote:
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> Every feature that Microsoft has "given away" for free has been
> things that should be included in an Operating System. Do you want
> to be *required* to pay a third party to listen to music? Do you
> want to be *required* to pay a third party to use something as
> i
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Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 10:39 AM
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Whoops, forgot the source for much of my info...
http:/
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From: "Nick Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 10:20 AM
Subject: Wal-Mart efficiency (was Re: My annual Xmas tirade...)
On 12/20/05, Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
On 12/20/05, Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> So, I'm not sure why Wal-Mart is singled out as evil. Is there some
> reason
> that inefficiency is inherently moral?
Do I understand you correctly -- your premise is that Wal-Mart is efficient
and its competitors aren't?
Nick
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Nick
I play Microsoft's advocate from time to time, because as evil as
people think they are they are more often just misunderstood, IMNSHO.
People seem to anthropomorphized Microsoft into the demi-God of
computer problems.
Dan Minette wrote:
> What percentage of the operating systems business does Mi
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Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 11:53 PM
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>
>> But I think a comparison of Wal-Mart
> But I think a comparison of Wal-Mart and Microsoft with regard to
> their business practices, why people dislike them, and why one and not
> the other has spent time in court over business practices would be
> edifying. I assume there are more similarities than one might expect
> at first glanc
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> Ineffiencies *are* the economy. Perfect efficiencies woul
> From: Robert Seeberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> From: "Dan Minette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> >
> > From: "Dave Land" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >> On Dec 4, 2005, at 11:16 AM, Gary Nunn wrote:
> >>
> >> > Driving to work, at 5:00 am that morning was a REAL eye-opener.
> >> > I was
> >> > astounded
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> On Dec 4, 2005, at 11:16 AM, Gary Nunn wrote:
>
>
At 06:35 PM Monday 12/5/2005, Dave Land wrote:
On Dec 4, 2005, at 11:16 AM, Gary Nunn wrote:
Driving to work, at 5:00 am that morning was a REAL eye-opener. I was
astounded at the number of people at the Super Wal-Mart. I made the
mistake
of stopping there to pick up donuts on the way to work
Dave Land wrote:
PS: Much as I want to, I cannot say that I have never set foot inside
a Wal-Mart. Once, in San Diego, I went into one to extract my wife
and child who, ignoring my protests, went in to some kind of super
ultra mega Wal-Mart monstrosity to buy a pair of sunglasses.
I've n
On Dec 4, 2005, at 11:16 AM, Gary Nunn wrote:
Driving to work, at 5:00 am that morning was a REAL eye-opener. I was
astounded at the number of people at the Super Wal-Mart. I made the
mistake
of stopping there to pick up donuts on the way to work
OK, I'm home sick from work today, and in m
> From: Robert Seeberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> From: "Ronn!Blankenship" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > I dated a girl who wanted me to pick anything I wanted for "our
> > song." For some reason, she seemed disappointed when I chose the
> > "hokey Pokey" . . .
>
>
> Ronn!?..Have you been dr
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> I dated a girl who wanted me to pick anything I w
On 12/4/05, Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Several years ago when "Tickle Me Elmo" was the hot,
> impossible-to-find item, I responded by getting one of the little
> 5-inch-or-so-high Elmos, tying a noose around its neck, and hanging
> it from the post my mailbox is attached to wit
At 11:54 PM Sunday 12/4/2005, Julia Thompson wrote:
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 01:16 PM Sunday 12/4/2005, Gary Nunn wrote:
What
are these people thinking when they bring young children to shop for others
and then are mean and nasty to the kids because they naturally want toys
that they see?
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 01:16 PM Sunday 12/4/2005, Gary Nunn wrote:
What
are these people thinking when they bring young children to shop for
others
and then are mean and nasty to the kids because they naturally want toys
that they see?
Maybe they could not find a baby sitter (perhaps
At 01:16 PM Sunday 12/4/2005, Gary Nunn wrote:
Mr. House Of Pain Maru wrote...
>Wishes may never become fishes, and unfortunate as it may be,
>people most often are not polite unless there is some
>overriding reason to be polite.
Rob's wisdom is a great segue into my Annual Christmas Rant.
Fo
Reading Gary's rant, and Jim's reply, offers quite a bit of food for
thought for me. By this time next month (if all goes according to
plan) I should be the proud father of a brand new baby girl. The
rampant consumerism of Christmas (I think I would've enjoyed
Christmas much more as it used
Gary Nunn wrote:
>Is it because manufactures create an artificial shortage
>of popular products to sell other products when the "Limited
>Editions" sell out?
In my opinion, it's because far too many parents feel that they have
to purchase their children's love. My understanding is that a full
1
Mr. House Of Pain Maru wrote...
>Wishes may never become fishes, and unfortunate as it may be,
>people most often are not polite unless there is some
>overriding reason to be polite.
Rob's wisdom is a great segue into my Annual Christmas Rant.
For the first time in my work career, I had to w
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