Re: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record

2002-11-08 Thread Ronn Blankenship
At 12:49 PM 11/8/02, John D. Giorgis wrote: At 06:57 PM 11/3/2002 -0600 Dan Minette wrote: >> What I am >> saying is that it sounds awfully arrogant when an amateur claims to have >> the One True Answer ("this *is* how " -- notice the emphasis on >> the word "is") and then add that the professiona

Re: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record

2002-11-08 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 06:57 PM 11/3/2002 -0600 Dan Minette wrote: >> What I am >> saying is that it sounds awfully arrogant when an amateur claims to have >> the One True Answer ("this *is* how " -- notice the emphasis on >> the word "is") and then add that the professionals "haven't figured it out >> yet". >> >> He

Re: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record

2002-11-05 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 18:57 03-11-2002 -0600, Dan Minette wrote: > I am not dismissing the work Giorgis put into studying the UN. What I > am saying is that it sounds awfully arrogant when an amateur claims to > have the One True Answer ("this *is* how " -- notice the > emphasis on the word "is") and then add that

RE: Cookies (was RE: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record)

2002-11-04 Thread Jean-Louis Couturier
Jim Sharkey [mailto:templar569@;excite.com] wrote: >>>hehehe, should I ever find myself sudenly diabetic or something, >>>I'll drop you a line. and later: >In that case, >New Jersey is not all that far from you after all! It isn't far, but I'll turn around and hassle my own mother in law rat

Cookies (was RE: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record)

2002-11-04 Thread Jim Sharkey
Jean-Louis Couturier wrote: >Jim wrote: >>hehehe, should I ever find myself sudenly diabetic or something, >>I'll drop you a line. >>Are you willing to take a trans-Atlantic flight though? :) > >Hmm, maybe not. But then again, Thanksgiving is a North American >holiday so I'm guessing you're

RE: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record

2002-11-04 Thread Jean-Louis Couturier
De : Horn, John [mailto:JHorn@;healthlink.com] > As Jim said earlier, wouldn't that make it next to impossible to get > anything done on the UNSC? I can't imagine almost any even remotely > controversial proposal not being vetoed by one of that group? That's the way the UN is now. Everyone wants

RE: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record

2002-11-04 Thread Jean-Louis Couturier
Jim wrote: >>>Le Dimanche 3 novembre 2002, à 08:58 , Jim Sharkey a écrit : >>>No, but my wife does. Every year on the day before Thanksgiving, >>>she and her father spend the evening making about a jillion >>>chocolate chip cookies for the holidays. The best part is that I >>>get to sit next t

Re: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record

2002-11-03 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: "J. van Baardwijk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 4:17 PM Subject: Re: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record > At 10:32 02-11-2002 -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: > >

RE: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record

2002-11-03 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 03:47 PM 11/3/2002 -0600 Horn, John wrote: >As Jim said earlier, wouldn't that make it next to impossible to get >anything done on the UNSC? I can't imagine almost any even remotely >controversial proposal not being vetoed by one of that group? There is a bit of game theory involved. Obvious

Re: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record

2002-11-03 Thread Jim Sharkey
Jean-Louis Couturier wrote: >>Le Dimanche 3 novembre 2002, à 08:58 , Jim Sharkey a écrit : >>No, but my wife does. Every year on the day before Thanksgiving, >>she and her father spend the evening making about a jillion >>chocolate chip cookies for the holidays. The best part is that I >>get

RE: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record

2002-11-03 Thread Horn, John
> From: John D. Giorgis [mailto:jxg9@;po.cwru.edu] > > At 02:07 PM 11/1/2002 -0600 Horn, John wrote: > >Would all of these permanent members have a veto? If not, > which ones would? > > Virtually every country under consideration for a permanent > UNSC seat in > the future has stated that they

Re: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record

2002-11-03 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 11/3/2002 7:07:50 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Sorry, William, but you tried *waay* too hard for this one. Gonna have to ding you for it. ;-) >> Well I did say "tries" I'll go back to trying to win the Eatin' an Arrow contest. Wi

Re: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record

2002-11-03 Thread Ronn Blankenship
At 07:58 AM 11/3/02, Jim Sharkey wrote: Erik Reuter wrote: >> >Do you have any idea howudo you have any idea how to >make a really good chocolate chip cookie? No, but my wife does. Every year on the day before Thanksgiving, she and her father spend the evening making about a jillio

Re: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record

2002-11-03 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Nov 03, 2002 at 10:39:18AM -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: > given a few recipes by someone whose grandparents had a bakery. If I > still have that paper, I could give you a good recipe. > > Tell me if I ought to look. Yes! Never turn down a good chocolate chip cookie recipe! -- "Erik Re

Re: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record

2002-11-03 Thread Jean-Louis Couturier
Le Dimanche 3 novembre 2002, à 12:00 , Julia Thompson a écrit : Jean-Louis Couturier wrote: Erik Reuter wrote: Do you have any idea howudo you have any idea how to make a really good chocolate chip cookie? Le Dimanche 3 novembre 2002, à 11:39 , Julia Thompson a écrit : I might

Re: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record

2002-11-03 Thread Julia Thompson
Jean-Louis Couturier wrote: > > > Erik Reuter wrote: > >> Do you have any idea howudo you have any idea how to make a > >> really good chocolate chip cookie? > > > Le Dimanche 3 novembre 2002, à 11:39 , Julia Thompson a écrit : > > I might have a good recipe. I made a bunch of cookie

Re: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record

2002-11-03 Thread Jean-Louis Couturier
Erik Reuter wrote: Do you have any idea howudo you have any idea how to make a really good chocolate chip cookie? Le Dimanche 3 novembre 2002, à 11:39 , Julia Thompson a écrit : I might have a good recipe. I made a bunch of cookies for fellow dorm-mates around final exam time one y

Re: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record

2002-11-03 Thread Jean-Louis Couturier
Erik Reuter wrote: Do you have any idea howudo you have any idea how to make a really good chocolate chip cookie? Le Dimanche 3 novembre 2002, à 08:58 , Jim Sharkey a écrit : No, but my wife does. Every year on the day before Thanksgiving, she and her father spend the evening makin

Re: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record

2002-11-03 Thread Julia Thompson
Erik Reuter wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 02, 2002 at 10:41:57PM -0600, Ronn Blankenship wrote: > > At 04:28 AM 11/2/02, J. van Baardwijk wrote: > > > > >Do you have any idea how arrogant your post sounds? > > > > > > Do you have any idea how arrogant _your_ post sounds? > > > > Do you have any idea how

Re: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record

2002-11-03 Thread Jim Sharkey
William Taylor wrote: > "Judy, Judy,---" > > Thipht. > > "Jud---" > > Swith..THUNK! > > "Argh." > > Do you have any idea how arrow Grant this post tries to sound? > Sorry, William, but you tried *waay* too hard for this one. Gonna have to ding you for it. ;-)

Re: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record

2002-11-03 Thread Jim Sharkey
Erik Reuter wrote: >On Sat, Nov 02, 2002 at 10:41:57PM -0600, Ronn Blankenship wrote: >>At 04:28 AM 11/2/02, J. van Baardwijk wrote: >>>Do you have any idea how arrogant your post sounds? >> >>Do you have any idea how arrogant _your_ post sounds? >> >Do you have any idea howudo you h

Re: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record

2002-11-02 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 11/2/2002 10:17:43 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << >Do you have any idea how arrogant your post sounds? Do you have any idea how arrogant _your_ post sounds? >> "Judy, Judy,---" Thipht. "Jud---" Swith..THUNK! "Argh."

Re: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record

2002-11-02 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sat, Nov 02, 2002 at 10:41:57PM -0600, Ronn Blankenship wrote: > At 04:28 AM 11/2/02, J. van Baardwijk wrote: > > >Do you have any idea how arrogant your post sounds? > > > Do you have any idea how arrogant _your_ post sounds? > Do you have any idea howudo you have any idea how

RE: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record

2002-11-02 Thread Ronn Blankenship
At 09:38 PM 10/31/02, Ritu Ko wrote: GCU Still Sleepy GSV Is 9am Too Early To Call It A Day And Go Back To Bed? "Sunrise is Nature's way of telling you it's bedtime." --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --D

Re: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record

2002-11-02 Thread Ronn Blankenship
At 04:28 AM 11/2/02, J. van Baardwijk wrote: Do you have any idea how arrogant your post sounds? Do you have any idea how arrogant _your_ post sounds? --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournel

Re: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record

2002-11-02 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 10:32 02-11-2002 -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: You're awfully dismissive of something someone's put a lot of time and energy into. I am not dismissing the work Giorgis put into studying the UN. What I am saying is that it sounds awfully arrogant when an amateur claims to have the One True A

NFL Realignment Re: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record

2002-11-02 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 02:45 PM 11/2/2002 -0600 Julia Thompson wrote: >Well, there are two ways you can go with the Indianapolis vs. Baltimore >thing: > >1) Once Cleveland got a new Browns team, the Ravens were a natural >rival. So the thing to do is put Baltimore in the same division as the >Browns. > >2) Or you c

Re: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record

2002-11-02 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 10:32 AM 11/2/2002 -0600 Julia Thompson wrote: >No, this is a "kid" who just got back from volunteering at a Model UN >conference, who has spent a lot of the past few years thinking about the >UN, and who probably understands about 10 times as much about it as any >of the rest of us here, yourse

Re: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record

2002-11-02 Thread Julia Thompson
"John D. Giorgis" wrote: > > At 01:20 PM 11/2/2002 -0600 Julia Thompson wrote: > >Did you successfully predict which AFC team went over to the NFC? (Just > >curious.) Or was your prediction not as detailed as that? > > Yup, I made my prediction on the day that Houston was awarded the expansion

Re: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record

2002-11-02 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 01:20 PM 11/2/2002 -0600 Julia Thompson wrote: >Did you successfully predict which AFC team went over to the NFC? (Just >curious.) Or was your prediction not as detailed as that? Yup, I made my prediction on the day that Houston was awarded the expansion franchise. The only error in my pred

Re: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record

2002-11-02 Thread Julia Thompson
"John D. Giorgis" wrote: > > At 09:02 PM 11/2/2002 +0530 Ritu Ko wrote: > >J. van Baardwijk wrote: > > > >> Do you have any idea how arrogant your post sounds? Do you > >> really believe > >> that you are so intellectually superior to others that you > >> can see things > >> coming that trained pr

RE: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record

2002-11-02 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 09:02 PM 11/2/2002 +0530 Ritu Ko wrote: >J. van Baardwijk wrote: > >> Do you have any idea how arrogant your post sounds? Do you >> really believe >> that you are so intellectually superior to others that you >> can see things >> coming that trained professionals with years of relevant >> e

Re: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record

2002-11-02 Thread Julia Thompson
"J. van Baardwijk" wrote: > > At 20:09 31-10-2002 -0500, John Giorgis wrote: > > >So, there you have it. That *is* how UNSC reform will end up - only the > >professionals haven't figured it out yet. > > Given the absence of smileys, I take it that the above is to be taken > seriously. > > Wel

RE: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record

2002-11-02 Thread Ritu Ko
J. van Baardwijk wrote: > Do you have any idea how arrogant your post sounds? Do you > really believe > that you are so intellectually superior to others that you > can see things > coming that trained professionals with years of relevant > experience would miss? > > Puh-lease! Puh-lease!

Re: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record

2002-11-02 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 20:09 31-10-2002 -0500, John Giorgis wrote: So, there you have it. That *is* how UNSC reform will end up - only the professionals haven't figured it out yet. Given the absence of smileys, I take it that the above is to be taken seriously. Well, in that case: sheesh, you really are arroga

RE: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record

2002-11-01 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 02:07 PM 11/1/2002 -0600 Horn, John wrote: >Would all of these permanent members have a veto? If not, which ones would? Virtually every country under consideration for a permanent UNSC seat in the future has stated that they would decline the permanent seat if it did not carry the same rights

RE: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record

2002-11-01 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 03:21 PM 11/1/2002 -0500 Jean-Louis Couturier wrote: >And if they do, could we hope for a toned down veto where a veto could >not be used if all of the other permament members agree on a motion? Not a chance. The veto powers have veto power over all UNSC reforms (by virtue of having veto powe

RE: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record

2002-11-01 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 03:10 PM 11/1/2002 -0500 Jean-Louis Couturier wrote: >Indeed it is, although I think that the Arabs' importance >is a bit overdone. I would rather see a permanent member be >from black Africa which is a sizable portion of the world >population. South Africa is better respected on the >contin

RE: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record

2002-11-01 Thread Jim Sharkey
Horn, John wrote: >>From: Jim Sharkey [mailto:templar569@;excite.com] >> >>John D. Giorgis posited: >> >>>A UNSC made up of America, Russia, China, India, the EU, Mexico, >>>and Egypt as permanent members, and another 18 countries rotating >>>in and out. >> >>This is a pretty interesting idea Jo

RE: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record

2002-11-01 Thread Jean-Louis Couturier
> John D. Giorgis posited: > > >A UNSC made up of America, Russia, China, India, the EU, Mexico, > >and Egypt as permanent members, and another 18 countries rotating > >in and out. > De : Horn, John [mailto:JHorn@;healthlink.com] > Would all of these permanent members have a veto? If not, whic

RE: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record

2002-11-01 Thread Horn, John
> From: Jim Sharkey [mailto:templar569@;excite.com] > > John D. Giorgis posited: > > >A UNSC made up of America, Russia, China, India, the EU, Mexico, > >and Egypt as permanent members, and another 18 countries rotating > >in and out. > > This is a pretty interesting idea John. It sounds fair

RE: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record

2002-11-01 Thread Jean-Louis Couturier
John D. Giorgis posited: >> A UNSC made up of America, Russia, China, India, the EU, Mexico, >> and Egypt as permanent members, and another 18 countries rotating >> in and out. De : Jim Sharkey [mailto:templar569@;excite.com] > This is a pretty interesting idea John. It sounds fair and > reas

RE: Aside Re: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record

2002-10-31 Thread Ritu Ko
Julia Thompson wrote: > > Ritu > > GCU Still Sleepy > > GSV Is 9am Too Early To Call It A Day And Go Back To Bed? > > No, but 10AM is a perfectly acceptable hour to begin a nap. :) Okay. I can survive these 35 minutes just by making sure all the children, dogs and puppies are involved in a *lo

Re: Aside Re: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record

2002-10-31 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: "Julia Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 9:50 PM Subject: Aside Re: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record > Ritu Ko wrote: > > > Ritu > > GCU Still Slee

Aside Re: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record

2002-10-31 Thread Julia Thompson
Ritu Ko wrote: > Ritu > GCU Still Sleepy > GSV Is 9am Too Early To Call It A Day And Go Back To Bed? No, but 10AM is a perfectly acceptable hour to begin a nap. :) Julia trying to gauge when to haul someone upstairs, plunk him into pajamas and start the just-before-bed routine -- proba

RE: UN Security Council Reform Re: Just for the record

2002-10-31 Thread Ritu Ko
John D. Giorgis wrote: > Once this happens, it then becomes possible to envision > expanding the UNSC > to 25 members or so, with 7-8 of them as permanent members > (pending whether > the UK joins the EU seat.) How long a time frame are you envisioning here? > India is basically a done deal