On Apr 7, 2005, at 11:45 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 12:04 AM Friday 4/8/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
Sigh. Reproduction via union of sperm and egg is sex. It's not
meaningful to speak of an asexual pregnancy, and it's impossible for
artificial insemination techniques to have existed 2K
On Apr 7, 2005, at 11:47 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 12:10 AM Friday 4/8/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
And the epistles of Paul, while effective at establishing and
maintaining the infant cult of Iasus, read like a lot of hard-right
propaganda, which to me is more or less what they are.
On Apr 8, 2005 3:21 AM, Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And we refuse to fund DDT usage why, exactly? The
environmental movement has (and, in fact, continues
to) push for a worldwide ban on DDT usage
because...I'm sure you'll explain it to me, Martin.
The same reason
On Apr 8, 2005 3:23 AM, Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
FWIW, I came across this website:
http://www.junkscience.com/ddtfaq.htm
Yes, Steven Milloy is the perfect example of the astroturf hacks who
are paid to smear that I was talking about.
Martin
On Apr 7, 2005, at 10:10 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On Apr 7, 2005, at 7:49 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 08:59 PM Thursday 4/7/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
though there's some wiggle room there -- IIRC the original text had it
as behold, a young woman shall conceive.
Which is correct,
At 02:08 AM Friday 4/8/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On Apr 7, 2005, at 11:47 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 12:10 AM Friday 4/8/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
And the epistles of Paul, while effective at establishing and
maintaining the infant cult of Iasus, read like a lot of hard-right
At 02:41 AM Friday 4/8/2005, Martin Lewis wrote:
On Apr 8, 2005 3:23 AM, Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
FWIW, I came across this website:
http://www.junkscience.com/ddtfaq.htm
Yes, Steven Milloy is the perfect example of the astroturf hacks who
are paid to smear that I was talking
On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 22:28:38 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda wrote
...
What you are talking about is a slow
and uncertain process.
Compared to what? The speedy and certain process underway in Iraq???
Nick
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At 10:58 PM Thursday 4/7/2005, Julia Thompson wrote:
Ronn
On Apr 8, 2005 10:16 AM, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Raymond Brown, in the Birth of The Messiah argues that this is a
reasonable scenario. He discusses the theological reasons for including
virgin birth in the infancy narratives...and thinks that they are not very
convincing.
... a strong consensus that nothing short of war would force
Hussain out.
Please remember that as of 17 Feb 2003, when I posted to the Brin
List, the US government did not argue anyone should
... help the people of Iraq free themselves from a cruel
dictatorship.
During a
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On Apr 8, 2005 10:16 AM, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Well, the argument that the virgin birth is in the infancy
On Apr 8, 2005, at 12:55 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Apr 7, 2005, at 10:10 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
And hardly remarkable. Young women conceive pretty regularly.
Embedding
such a phrase in a prophecy is a little like predicting rain in
Seattle.
I think your lay scholarship isn't serving
On Apr 8, 2005, at 5:46 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 02:08 AM Friday 4/8/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
It is interesting that you are much more likely to state things as
absolutes than most people I know who do claim to have the sure word
of God on issues.
Well, when arguing facts, I tend to
On Apr 8, 2005, at 9:40 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
Personally, I could be persuaded either way on this question. One
could
indeed argue that someone who's knowledge of Isaiah is from the
Septuagint
and who is aware of the other virgin birth narratives could weave this
into
the tradition relied
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Dan wrote:
My point was (however poorly I made
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On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 18:38:03 -0500, Dan Minette wrote
Look
On Apr 8, 2005, at 3:01 PM, Dan Minette, voice of reason, wrote:
The main point that Gautam seems to be arguing is that whether or not
to
go to war in Iraq was a point that reasonable moral people can differ
on. Words like unjustifiable tend to indicate that such a stand is
impossible for a
At 06:17 PM Friday 4/8/2005, Dave Land wrote:
On Apr 8, 2005, at 3:01 PM, Dan Minette, voice of reason, wrote:
The main point that Gautam seems to be arguing is that whether or not to
go to war in Iraq was a point that reasonable moral people can differ
on. Words like unjustifiable tend to
On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 18:03:39 -0500, Dan Minette wrote
OK, let's talk about medical policy then. According to UN figures,
tens if not hundreds of thousands were dying in Iraq due to
conditions under Hussein. The war
Did you leave that for me to finish?
... has increased the death rate
Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On Apr 7, 2005, at 8:28 PM, Robert Seeberger wrote:
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
I am not a fertility specialist, nor do I play one on TV, but even
I
can think of ways to implant a fertilized egg in a woman's uterus
without her having ever had sexual intercourse and
On Apr 8, 2005, at 6:19 PM, Robert Seeberger wrote:
Warren Ockrassa wrote:
Sigh. Reproduction via union of sperm and egg is sex. It's not
meaningful to speak of an asexual pregnancy, and it's impossible for
artificial insemination techniques to have existed 2K years ago.
Sure, this is readily
On Apr 8, 2005, at 4:17 PM, Dave Land wrote:
I wonder if we couldn't have more effective discussions here if we said
things like I couldn't find a compelling justification the invasion
instead of the invasion was unjustified.
The former asserts one's own observation, not subject to contradiction
Gautam wrote:
Gee, thanks Doug (:-)), I didn't know that until I
read it on list :-( This is my first day reading the
list in weeks - I'm so overloaded with work this is
kind of my despairing gesture at ever getting it
finished...
Yea, I'm busy too, but I'm easily distracted. Especially when I
On Apr 6, 2005, at 1:48 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
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Because DDT thins birds' egg shells. The biggest reason bald eagles
are
endangered is DDT -- it thinned the birds' shells so drastically that
many embryos never survived to full
On Apr 6, 2005, at 4:48 PM, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Because DDT thins birds' egg shells. The biggest
reason bald eagles are
endangered is DDT -- it thinned the birds' shells so
drastically that
many embryos never survived to full development.
Is that a
On Apr 6, 2005 11:25 PM, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Except, of course, that's not true.
http://www.who.int/malaria/vectorcontrol.html
Nice smear though.
Oh, I just found an interesting long article on it
On Apr 7, 2005 7:23 AM, Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And it's not relevant outside the US to bald eagles. As I mentioned to
Dan I wasn't aware we were discussing *worldwide* DDT bans;
A reasonable assumption since there is no worldwide ban.
Martin
On Apr 6, 2005, at 10:30 AM, I wrote:
Also, since I don't have to weigh a given set of beliefs against my
own to see if they agree -- and are therefore true -- I'm free to
see validity in many different religious ideas. Where faith speaks of
gods I can ignore it; where faith speaks of human
On Apr 7, 2005 12:17 AM, Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And, of course, I have _lots_ of family whose life is
at risk from this decision, so it's kind of important
to me as well.
You might like to read this paper by VP Sharma about the ineffectiveness of
the use of DDT in India
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The first is an African group, and the second is the Christian
On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 20:08:41 -0500, Dan Minette wrote
It can be. Bush I and Clinton tried other means for ~12 years. I
think, after that time, it was safe to say that Hussian wasn't
losing his grip on the country and wouldn't without an invasion.
Safe to say? Meaning it's not debatable?
Dan Minette wrote
I guess what really struck me was how Bush was criticized for
going the UN route in Sudan and not going it in Iraq. ...
Likely Bush figured that the US Army is stretched enough in Iraq that
it makes little sense to offend China and India, both of which have
investments
Gautam Mukunda asked
... why else prevent the use of DDT, for example?
I suspect the major reason is that no national politician in the US,
whether Democrat or Republican, wanted to say that he had voted for
the extinction of a national symbol. (The bald eagle is a US national
symbol. DDT
On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 20:33:16 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda wrote
In Vietnam he supported the North
Vietnamese. I mean, at that point you're actually _on
the side of_ tyrants, so I just don't quite see how
that makes sense.
Cite, please! That's more than a little bit outrageous.
Nick
On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 21:04:09 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda wrote
--- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Are you saying that Warren been trying to prevent
democracy in Iraq?
Functionally, yes.
What does that mean?
Oh, come on, Nick, I can sling just war theology
around too.
Are you
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On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 20:08:41 -0500, Dan Minette wrote
It can
On Apr 7, 2005, at 10:42 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 21:04:09 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda wrote
--- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Are you saying that Warren been trying to prevent
democracy in Iraq?
Functionally, yes.
What does that mean?
I think it means He who is not with us
On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 13:09:46 -0500, Dan Minette wrote
It can be. Bush I and Clinton tried other means for ~12 years. I
think, after that time, it was safe to say that Hussian wasn't
losing his grip on the country and wouldn't without an invasion.
Safe to say? Meaning it's not
Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On Apr 5, 2005, at 12:34 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Apr 4, 2005, at 1:14 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
This is one of the problems with most of the modern interpretations of
the Gospels. Where Iasus was being metaphorical, he is taken literally;
and where he was being
On Apr 7, 2005, at 2:50 PM, maru wrote:
I sure hope there is an antidote. American Christianity is rapidly
beginning to resemble Middle East Islam. Both in the sense of
insistence on hardline radical fundamentalism steeped in narrow
interpretations of marginally-relevant texts; and in the sense
--- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 21:04:09 -0700 (PDT), Gautam
Mukunda wrote
--- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Are you saying that Warren been trying to
prevent
democracy in Iraq?
Functionally, yes.
What does that mean?
It means that there
Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On Apr 7, 2005, at 2:50 PM, maru wrote:
'marginally-relevant texts'?
An example please; So far I've only seen various perversions of the
Bible
(Unless you count Mel Gibson using the ravings of a delirious German nun
in his /Passion/.).
Perversions of the Bible don't affect
I think, after that time, it was safe to say that Hussian wasn't
losing his grip on the country and wouldn't without an invasion.
The question is not whether one or other dictatorship was defeated,
whether in Iraq or Saudi Arabia, but whether its defeat was the best
use of resources.
For
On Apr 7, 2005 3:38 PM, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is your position that the environmental movement's arguements against DDT
have nothing to do with this?
Yes.
Martin
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On Apr 7, 2005 3:38 PM, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 15:01:52 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda wrote
It means that there wasn't a third option between
going to war to remove Hussein and leaving him in
power. It didn't exist. No one proposed one that was
even vaguely plausible. You could choose one or the
other.
Really? No
On Apr 8, 2005 12:06 AM, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is your position that the environmental movement's arguements against
DDT
have nothing to do with this?
Yes.
Then why are Western governments and the UN willing to fund anti-malaria
techniques acceptable to the
On Apr 7, 2005 12:25 AM, Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Except, of course, that's not true.
http://www.who.int/malaria/vectorcontrol.html
Nice smear though.
And we refuse to fund DDT usage why, exactly? The
environmental movement has (and, in fact, continues
to) push
On Apr 7, 2005, at 2:57 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On Apr 7, 2005, at 2:50 PM, maru wrote:
I sure hope there is an antidote. American Christianity is rapidly
beginning to resemble Middle East Islam. Both in the sense of
insistence on hardline radical fundamentalism steeped in narrow
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I wrote invasion and you've just written intervention. Are we
talking
On Apr 7, 2005, at 3:01 PM, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 21:04:09 -0700 (PDT), Gautam
Mukunda wrote
--- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Are you saying that Warren been trying to
prevent
democracy in Iraq?
Functionally, yes.
What does that
On Apr 7, 2005, at 4:53 PM, Dave Land wrote:
Substantial long-term support for the internal opposition
to Hussein would have been a third say:
A third *way*, I say.
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On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 18:38:03 -0500, Dan Minette wrote
Look at the historical police actions. They don't work against well
armed fighters. For a police action to result in the overthrow of
Hussian, the Republican guard would have had to let lightly armed
units walk in and arrest Hussian.
On Apr 7, 2005, at 5:36 PM, Nick Arnett wrote:
And what about South Africa and India? Are they not examples of regime
changes that were accomplished without war? Today, are we open to such
possibilities, which seemed impossible to most people before they
happened?
I don't remember our invading
Nick Arnett wrote:
You are aware, surely, that tremendous regime changes have taken
place without wars? The most recent example is South Africa.
I agree with that example.
Perhaps closer to your heart would be a certain enormous former
British colony with a primarily Hindu population?
Against
In a message dated 4/6/2005 11:41:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I denigrate the rich
white liberals who made this decision because they're
the people who, consistently, make self-flattering
decisions that (in this case) have led to hundreds of
thousands, maybe
On Apr 7, 2005, at 3:12 PM, maru wrote:
Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On Apr 7, 2005, at 2:50 PM, maru wrote:
'marginally-relevant texts'?
An example please; So far I've only seen various perversions of the
Bible
(Unless you count Mel Gibson using the ravings of a delirious German
nun
in his
At 04:50 PM Thursday 4/7/2005, maru wrote:
Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On Apr 5, 2005, at 12:34 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Apr 4, 2005, at 1:14 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
This is one of the problems with most of the modern interpretations of
the Gospels. Where Iasus was being metaphorical, he is
FWIW, I came across this website:
http://www.junkscience.com/ddtfaq.htm
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At 04:57 PM Thursday 4/7/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On Apr 7, 2005, at 2:50 PM, maru wrote:
I sure hope there is an antidote. American Christianity is rapidly
beginning to resemble Middle East Islam. Both in the sense of insistence
on hardline radical fundamentalism steeped in narrow
At 06:40 PM Thursday 4/7/2005, Martin Lewis wrote:
On Apr 7, 2005 12:25 AM, Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Except, of course, that's not true.
http://www.who.int/malaria/vectorcontrol.html
Nice smear though.
And we refuse to fund DDT usage why, exactly? The
environmental
At 08:59 PM Thursday 4/7/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On Apr 7, 2005, at 3:12 PM, maru wrote:
Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On Apr 7, 2005, at 2:50 PM, maru wrote:
'marginally-relevant texts'?
An example please; So far I've only seen various perversions of the Bible
(Unless you count Mel Gibson using the
At 06:55 PM Thursday 4/7/2005, Foghorn Leghorn wrote:
On Apr 7, 2005, at 4:53 PM, Dave Land wrote:
Substantial long-term support for the internal opposition
to Hussein would have been a third say:
A third *way*, I say.
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Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
I am not a fertility specialist, nor do I play one on TV, but even I
can think of ways to implant a fertilized egg in a woman's uterus
without her having ever had sexual intercourse and while leaving her
a _virgo intacta_ to examination.
There was a case years ago of
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 08:59 PM Thursday 4/7/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
Not really. Virgin conception is impossible,
I am not a fertility specialist, nor do I play one on TV, but even I can
think of ways to implant a fertilized egg in a woman's uterus without
her having ever had sexual
Dave wrote:
On Apr 7, 2005, at 5:36 PM, Nick Arnett wrote:
And what about South Africa and India? Are they not examples of regime
changes that were accomplished without war? Today, are we open to such
possibilities, which seemed impossible to most people before they
happened?
I don't remember
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Dave wrote:
On Apr 7, 2005, at 5:36 PM, Nick Arnett wrote
Nick Arnett wrote:
On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 15:01:52 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda wrote
It means that there wasn't a third option between
going to war to remove Hussein and leaving him in
power. It didn't exist. No one proposed one that was
even vaguely plausible. You could choose one or the
other.
Julia wrote:
It's a lovely idea. I'm not sure it was realistically possible. If it
had been, it would have been the best course of action I've seen
suggested. But I'm not sure it was.
In fact, I'm pretty sure it wasn't. I'd appreciate feedback on this by
those more in the know than I.
Dan wrote:
The question at hand originally was whether anything but invasion would
topple Hussein. It seems pretty clear to me that he would stay in power
for the foreseeable future, since 11 years of sanctions and inspections
did not push him out. At the time, if you remember, I thought that
On Apr 7, 2005, at 8:28 PM, Robert Seeberger wrote:
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
I am not a fertility specialist, nor do I play one on TV, but even I
can think of ways to implant a fertilized egg in a woman's uterus
without her having ever had sexual intercourse and while leaving her
a _virgo intacta_
On Apr 7, 2005, at 7:49 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 08:59 PM Thursday 4/7/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
though there's some wiggle room there -- IIRC the original text had
it as behold, a young woman shall conceive.
Which is correct, afaik.
And hardly remarkable. Young women conceive pretty
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 20:58:36 -0700, Doug Pensinger wrote
I think declarations that our only choice was invasion ignores the
success of the inspections; not only those just prior to that event
but the earlier ones that we now know ended all of Hussein's WMD programs.
That is a rather good
--- Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Apr 7, 2005, at 5:36 PM, Nick Arnett wrote:
And what about South Africa and India? Are they
not examples of regime
changes that were accomplished without war?
Today, are we open to such
possibilities, which seemed impossible to most
people
--- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 18:38:03 -0500, Dan Minette wrote
I wasn't talking about arresting him, I was talking
about inspections.
Inspecting what? His children's prisons? You're
conflating two issues. I was talking about the
humanitarian case towards
On Apr 7, 2005, at 10:40 PM, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
_There's nothing wrong with
opposing the war_. Knowing what I know now about the
competence of the Administration, I don't think _I_
would have supported the war (not knowing then what I
know now, I don't regret my stance then - it was
impossible
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've been hearing a lot about Jim Wallis lately.
Aside from trying to get back issues of Sojourners
(which I am not going to attempt this year), what
would you suggest of his?
I've seen him on TV and found him to be a stunningly
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here's a listmate, making a perfectly reasonable
request for
suggestions, and she gets an insult instead.
Dave
No, it was an assessment of _someone else_. I wasn't
insulting her. I do think his version of God's
Politics might as well be titled My Politics,
--- Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As to my message amounting to an intrusion for no
good reason, how do
you figure? Was yours less so? Should we just sit
quietly by when you
demean the subjects of our conversations?
Dave
Recounting the facts from my perspective:
Julia mentioned Jim
On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 08:24:56 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda wrote
The fact that he's justifying bad ideas
using the Bible doesn't make them less bad -
Fact? According to whom?
although
it does say something is very wrong with the
Democratic Party that they're swallowing this guy's
stuff
* Gautam Mukunda ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
We all know how opinions that differ from today's orthodoxy are
treated here, so why should today be any different?
Actually, Dave just doesn't pay attention very well.
--
Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/
On Apr 6, 2005, at 9:41 AM, Erik Reuter wrote:
* Gautam Mukunda ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
We all know how opinions that differ from today's orthodoxy are
treated here, so why should today be any different?
Actually, Dave just doesn't pay attention very well.
What? Did someone say something?
Dave
On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 09:16:02 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda wrote
My worry is that when you speak to the values [you]
hold you're just asserting something. Since you root
all of these in religion,
I root all my values in religion? On this list? Does it really seem that way
from out there?
On Apr 6, 2005, at 9:49 AM, Dave Land wrote:
On Apr 6, 2005, at 9:41 AM, Erik Reuter wrote:
* Gautam Mukunda ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
We all know how opinions that differ from today's orthodoxy are
treated here, so why should today be any different?
Actually, Dave just doesn't pay attention very
* Dave Land ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Correction: I interpreted your statement completely correctly: it was
most definitely an insult:
Take for example, you're a doofus. That was an example of something
that was most definitely an insult.
What Gautam wrote was an observation -- his thoughts
On Apr 5, 2005, at 12:34 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Apr 4, 2005, at 1:14 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
This is one of the problems with most of the modern interpretations of
the Gospels. Where Iasus was being metaphorical, he is taken
literally;
and where he was being literal, he is taken
On Apr 5, 2005, at 6:59 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 10:48:50 +0100, William T Goodall wrote
But the fundamentalists are the fastest growing Christian sects.
I see this as part of a trend that goes far beyond Christianity and
far beyond
religion. Fundamentalism of all sorts is on
Friends,
For what it may be worth, I don't think that calling someone a stunningly
unimpresive (sic) figure is an insult, as such. I took it as a statement of
Gautam's true experience of the man. Gautam was stunned by how unimpressed he
was with Jim Wallis, is how I heard it. No big deal,
On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 13:23:16 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote
What Gautam wrote was an observation -- his thoughts on someone who
isn't likely to read it. Certainly a big difference from the above.
It looked like political criticism to me, and I would hazard most people
would agree.
Good heavens, we
On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 10:34:22 -0700, Warren Ockrassa wrote
Not just injustice -- uncertainty. When there's a lot of social
stress such as war, pestilence, famine, etc., it seems that hardline
sects get stronger. People seem to want to find a meaning in the
chaos, and since a lot of the
On Apr 6, 2005, at 10:46 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 10:34:22 -0700, Warren Ockrassa wrote
Not just injustice -- uncertainty. When there's a lot of social
stress such as war, pestilence, famine, etc., it seems that hardline
sects get stronger. People seem to want to find a meaning in
On Apr 6, 2005, at 9:16 AM, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
They've taught me a great deal that helps me resist
my natural tendency to
criticize. I suspect that you are as aware as
anyone of that trait in me, so
what do you think? Is this a good thing at the
On Apr 6, 2005 5:16 PM, Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
he does. One could argue that it seems like a big
part of the environmental movement as well, for
example (why else prevent the use of DDT, for example?
Rich white liberals could demonstrate how moral they
were - they were
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On Apr 6, 2005 5:16 PM, Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
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On Apr 6, 2005, at 9:16 AM, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Nick
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From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Except, of course, that's not true.
http://www.who.int/malaria/vectorcontrol.html
Nice smear though.
Oh, I just found an
On Apr 6, 2005 9:34 PM, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
he does. One could argue that it seems like a big
part of the environmental movement as well, for
example (why else prevent the use of DDT, for example?
Rich white liberals could demonstrate how moral they
were - they
On Apr 6, 2005 10:00 PM, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Except, of course, that's not true.
http://www.who.int/malaria/vectorcontrol.html
Nice smear though.
Oh, I just found an interesting long article on it
http://www.cis.org.au/policy/Spring01/polspr01-1.pdf
An
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