Re: [ccp4bb] str solving problem

2013-06-21 Thread Francis E. Reyes
Pramod: [1] Please refrain from posting excessively large (>1MB) attachments to the ccp4bb. Either use a compression technique or use another means of transmitting large files to your recipients without spamming the entire group. [2] Your predictions are not overlaying well with the spots . W

[ccp4bb] peptide planarity restraints for modified residues

2013-06-21 Thread wtempel
Dear CCP4ers/REFMACers, the C-terminal peptide bond of a modified lysyl, M3L, appears less planar than other peptide bonds in the same structure. What is the currently preferred method of restraining such planarity? I have currently not added any link record in the header of my coordinates file. Wo

Re: [ccp4bb] ctruncate bug?

2013-06-21 Thread Terwilliger, Thomas C
I hope I am not duplicating too much of this fascinating discussion with these comments:  perhaps the main reason there is confusion about what to do is that neither F nor I is really the most suitable thing to use in refinement.  As pointed out several times in different ways, we don't measure

Re: [ccp4bb] ctruncate bug?

2013-06-21 Thread Phil
However you decide to argue the point, you must consider _all_ the observations of a reflection (replicates and symmetry related) together when you infer Itrue or F etc, otherwise you will bias the result even more. Thus you cannot (easily) do it during integration Phil Sent from my iPad On 2

Re: [ccp4bb] ctruncate bug?

2013-06-21 Thread Douglas Theobald
On Jun 21, 2013, at 2:52 PM, James Holton wrote: > Yes, but the DIFFERENCE between two Poisson-distributed values can be > negative. This is, unfortunately, what you get when you subtract the > background out from under a spot. Perhaps this is the source of confusion > here? Maybe, but if y

Re: [ccp4bb] ctruncate bug?

2013-06-21 Thread Douglas Theobald
On Jun 21, 2013, at 2:48 PM, Ed Pozharski wrote: > Douglas, >>> Observed intensities are the best estimates that we can come up with in an >>> experiment. >> I also agree with this, and this is the clincher. You are arguing that >> Ispot-Iback=Iobs is the best estimate we can come up with. I

Re: [ccp4bb] ctruncate bug?

2013-06-21 Thread Ed Pozharski
Douglas, Observed intensities are the best estimates that we can come up with in an experiment. I also agree with this, and this is the clincher. You are arguing that Ispot-Iback=Iobs is the best estimate we can come up with. I claim that is absurd. How are you quantifying "best"? Usually

Re: [ccp4bb] ctruncate bug?

2013-06-21 Thread Douglas Theobald
On Jun 20, 2013, at 2:13 PM, Ian Tickle wrote: > Douglas, I think you are missing the point that estimation of the parameters > of the proper Bayesian statistical model (i.e. the Wilson prior) in order to > perform the integration in the manner you are suggesting requires knowledge > of the al

Re: [ccp4bb] ctruncate bug?

2013-06-21 Thread Douglas Theobald
I kinda think we're saying the same thing, sort of. You don't like the Gaussian assumption, and neither do I. If you make the reasonable Poisson assumptions, then you don't get the Ispot-Iback=Iobs for the best estimate of Itrue. Except as an approximation for large values, but we are talking

Re: [ccp4bb] ctruncate bug?

2013-06-21 Thread Ed Pozharski
On 06/21/2013 10:19 AM, Ian Tickle wrote: If you observe the symptoms of translational NCS in the diffraction pattern (i.e. systematically weak zones of reflections) you must take it into account when calculating the averages, i.e. if you do it properly parity groups should be normalised separa

Re: [ccp4bb] ctruncate bug?

2013-06-21 Thread Ian Tickle
On 21 June 2013 17:10, Douglas Theobald wrote: > Yes there is. The only way you can get a negative estimate is to make > unphysical assumptions. Namely, the estimate Ispot-Iback=Iobs assumes that > both the true value of I and the background noise come from a Gaussian > distribution that is all

Re: [ccp4bb] ctruncate bug?

2013-06-21 Thread Douglas Theobald
On Jun 21, 2013, at 8:36 AM, Ed Pozharski wrote: > On 06/20/2013 01:07 PM, Douglas Theobald wrote: >> How can there be nothing "wrong" with something that is unphysical? >> Intensities cannot be negative. > > I think you are confusing two things - the true intensities and observed > intensiti

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] AW: Twinning problem - almost solved.

2013-06-21 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Tim, I normally do not use Refmac, so I have no idea what to expect and what would be a good weight. I will do the molprobity test, but I do not expect major problems. This is a MR structure with a high resolution search model with 100% sequence identity. A few amino acids may have problem

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] AW: Twinning problem - almost solved.

2013-06-21 Thread Tim Gruene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Herman, a large gap between R and Rfree might indicate a horrible geometry of your structure, especially if R increased by lowering the matrix weight in refmac. Or, to put it the other way round: it is easy to achieve a low R-value by screwing up

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] AW: Twinning problem - almost solved.

2013-06-21 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Hi Robbie, That is what I tried. The Rfactor got a lot worse (14%->18%) and the Rfree got a little worse (by 0.1-0.2%). My feeling is that that is not the right approach. Roger Rowlett suggested to give PDB_REDO a try. Maybe you have some instructions available how to get a local version? Best

Re: [ccp4bb] Puzzling observation about size exclusion chromatography

2013-06-21 Thread Zhang, Zhen
Hi Michael, Thank you very much for your suggestions. I will rerun with both buffer conditions and report back later. Thanks to everyone for your reply. Zhen From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of R. M. Garavito Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 9:28 AM To: CCP4BB@JIS

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: Twinning problem - almost solved.

2013-06-21 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Herman, Tighter restraints typically close the gap between R and R-free. This does not mean one should just tighten the restraints to satisfy one's own (or a referee's) idea of what the gap should be. I don't think there is a clear target of how large or small the gap should be. If you optimiz

Re: [ccp4bb] ctruncate bug?

2013-06-21 Thread Ian Tickle
On 21 June 2013 13:36, Ed Pozharski wrote: > Replacing Iobs with E(J) is not only unnecessary, it's ill-advised as it > will distort intensity statistics. For example, let's say you have > translational NCS aligned with crystallographic axes, and hence some set of > reflections is systematically

Re: [ccp4bb] Puzzling observation about size exclusion chromatography

2013-06-21 Thread R. M. Garavito
Dear Zhen, I should also point out that the statement Matt made ("Superdex is known to have some ion-exchange characteristics, so that it can weakly interact with some proteins.") is not completely correct. Superdex and all chromatographic media made from carbohydrates (dextran, agarose, etc.)

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: Twinning problem - almost solved.

2013-06-21 Thread Eleanor Dodson
At your resolution that seems to me a reasonable gap between R and Rfree? Eleanor On 21 Jun 2013, at 12:28, herman.schreu...@sanofi.com wrote: > Dear Bulletin Board, > > After some headbanging (Refmac5 had helpfully created gap records for all > insertions and deletions present in the structur

Re: [ccp4bb] str solving problem

2013-06-21 Thread Ed Pozharski
On 06/20/2013 06:20 AM, Eleanor Dodson wrote: But you say you took the Balbes model into phaser? and I think Balbes automatically runs cycles of refinement so any comment on R factors may not mean much. I have seen a model coming out of Balbes pipeline hitting extremely high marks when fed in

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: Twinning problem - almost solved.

2013-06-21 Thread Roger Rowlett
I have found PDB_REDO is an efficient way of tweaking structure solutions. Among other things, it sorts through various MATRIX and BFAC weights and tests effectiveness of TLS if not used already. It usually improves typical "final" structure solutions for our group by about 1% or so Rfree and reduc

Re: [ccp4bb] ctruncate bug?

2013-06-21 Thread Ed Pozharski
On 06/20/2013 01:07 PM, Douglas Theobald wrote: How can there be nothing "wrong" with something that is unphysical? Intensities cannot be negative. I think you are confusing two things - the true intensities and observed intensities. True intensities represent the number of photons that di

Re: [ccp4bb] NAG-NAG

2013-06-21 Thread Paul Emsley
On 06/20/2013 06:56 PM, Monika Pathak wrote: Hi Please can I ask about how can I put NAG to asparagine in coot (I think its 2NAG that I can put in density) and if possible to refine it in refmac then. Calculate -> Scripting -> Scheme: (add-linked-residue imol chain-id res-no ins-code "N

[ccp4bb] AW: Twinning problem - almost solved.

2013-06-21 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Bulletin Board, After some headbanging (Refmac5 had helpfully created gap records for all insertions and deletions present in the structure), I got refmac5 running with the TWIN option. Refmac5 also found the k,h,-l domain and rejected the other possible domains because they were too small

[ccp4bb] Postdoctoral position at Humboldt University Berlin and Helmholtz Zentrum Berlin (BESSY II)

2013-06-21 Thread Müller , Uwe
The Helmholtz Zentrum Berlin für Materialien und Energie, the Max-Delbrück-Center, the Freie Universität Berlin and the Humboldt Universität zu Berlin jointly operate three experimental stations for bio-macromolecular crystallography at BESSY II, one of the world’s most modern synchrotron radia

Re: [ccp4bb] PIMS & XtalView Help

2013-06-21 Thread McCully, Dwayne (NIH/NIAMS) [C]
Hello Everyone, I'm looking for a group/person that has PIMS and Xtailpims installed which does not throw Java errors while using the program. I've been struggling to get the program to work without error trying different versions of the below programs. I believe PIMS and Xtalpims has potential

Re: [ccp4bb] NAG-NAG

2013-06-21 Thread Eugene Osipov
Hello, Monika, 1) Add NAGs 2) Remove their hydrogens and O1 atom and put them in density 3) In menu: Calculate->merge molecules, choose your pdb and both NAG residues 4) save coordinate file 2013/6/20 Monika Pathak > Hi > > Please can I ask about how can I put NAG to asparagine in coot (I think

Re: [ccp4bb] mar345 version of generate_XDS.INP

2013-06-21 Thread Jan Gebauer
Dear all, thanks to all for your first responses; however, I probably wasn't precise enough in my original message. I DO have an XDS.INP for the mar345 image plate (and i also now where to find the others). What I would like to have is a modified version of Kay Diederichs script, to ge

[ccp4bb] mar345 version of generate_XDS.INP

2013-06-21 Thread Jan Gebauer
Dear all, sorry for the slightly off-topic question: Does anyone have a modified version of generate_XDS.INP for the mar345 image plate detector? I know I could -relative easily- make it on my own, but why inventing the wheel twice? Regards, Jan -- Dr. Jan Gebauer AG Prof. Baumann Instit