On 2022-09-23 5:26 p.m., Jon Elson via cctalk wrote:
As for the defense maps, they really DID exist. Our university had some
bits of SAGE, and one of the things was the big map projector. The way
the thing worked was a small CRT was projected onto movie film, the film
ran through a
> I always thought the i960 was an upgrade to the i860 (sort of like i386 to
> i486 upgrade). However, based on the info on wiki it seems as if the i960
> actually came first and although a RISC chip it was in no way in the same
> league as the i860. Anyone can clarify or verify this?
I'm not
Yep, that was it. I don't remember your offer, but yes the power supply
was shot and needed repairs. Regardless, it's gone so I have more space
in my life.
The Perqs went for free as well, but those went to people who know what
they are and can take care of them. There's still one in my shed
I always thought the i960 was an upgrade to the i860 (sort of like i386 to i486
upgrade). However, based on the info on wiki it seems as if the i960 actually
came first and although a RISC chip it was in no way in the same league as the
i860. Anyone can clarify or verify this?
-Ali
Ya. Thanks for the mention but it was before my time. I was in 8th grade when
I first met Lincoln. That was 1976. We did tune clocks on a CY203 a few times
but it wasn’t until ETA that I started doing real work ;-)
All cool stuff though and the stories were endless and awesome.
cje
--
On Sat, Sep 24, 2022 at 3:57 AM Adrian Stoness via cctalk
wrote:
>
> Wow someone mentioning à phillips p series
> Has a p854 new old stock panel my self along with bunch of manuals and à
> spare core memory pack in safe keeping
You don't have the 'production' version of the CPU service manual
Wow someone mentioning à phillips p series
Has a p854 new old stock panel my self along with bunch of manuals and à
spare core memory pack in safe keeping
On Fri., Sep. 23, 2022, 4:20 a.m. Tony Duell via cctalk, <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 22, 2022 at 8:42 PM Bill Degnan via
On Fri, 23 Sep 2022, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
From an over-the-top perspective as the 360/91 and 360/195 panels were,
would it be fair to say that SAGE held first place in this category?
Yep! We could even single-step. :-)
http://q7.neurotica.com/Q7/
Mike Loewen
>From an over-the-top perspective as the 360/91 and 360/195 panels were,
would it be fair to say that SAGE held first place in this category?
--Chuck
Unfortunately there are some collectors who are also resellers so they
buy entire lots, keep what they want and sell the rest on eBay at high
prices.
On 9/23/2022 5:29 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
On 9/23/22 17:26, Mike Loewen via cctalk wrote:
On Fri, 23 Sep 2022, Chris Zach via
> On Sep 23, 2022, at 5:49 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> On 9/23/22 13:47, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
>
>> It was useful as a simple test of whether an applicant had any
>> bit-twiddling experience. But, I couldn't think of practical application.
>>
>
> The 6600 implemented
> I think there was a unix/unix-like OS for them, but I imagine context
> switching
> was slow...
There were a couple *nix workstations based on it. The Oki 7300 series comes to
mind. I think someone exhibited at that VCF pre-COVID.
--
personal:
Hi Emanuel,
On 9/23/22 16:30, emanuel stiebler via cctalk wrote:
Hi all,
anybody has some GCC or any other tool chain for the above?
Or some pointers, which was the last version of the GCC tool chain
which supported the i860, and would be still compile-able on this days
tools/OS's?
I've
I think the computers got so fast so that having blinking light wasn’t
feasible. They would be on all the time.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 23, 2022, at 16:27, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote:
>
> On 9/23/22 11:53, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
>>
On Sep 23, 2022, at 12:45 PM, Chuck Guzis
On 9/23/22 11:53, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
On Sep 23, 2022, at 12:45 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk
wrote:
On 9/22/22 22:56, ben via cctalk wrote:
Blinking lights tended to be for computers of the future.
World maps with lights where nuclear missiles could strike
seem to be movie props
On 9/23/22 17:26, Mike Loewen via cctalk wrote:
On Fri, 23 Sep 2022, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote:
Earlier this spring. I posted about it, and the general opinion was
that a HP1000 wasn't really worth anything so I just gave it to someone.
That's not the general consensus, at all. There
On Fri, 23 Sept 2022 at 23:57, Chuck Guzis via cctalk
wrote:
>
> I believe (I'll have to check) that in the Osborne-McGraw-Hill/Intel
> i860 book there's a quote from BillG saying that Microsoft was committed
> to developing for the 860 as a personal computer CPU.
>
> I think that never
> Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2022 18:09:47 +0100
> From: Joshua Rice via cctalk
> The Cray was often coupled witha DG nova for bootstrapping, which very much
> did have a front panel on it. Indeed, many models of PDP-10 were bootstrapped
> by PDP-11's with front panels, even if the PDP-10 lacked one. The
>
> IIRC the Intel IPSC (Inter Personal Super Computer) put a ton of these in
parallel. It ran some kind of Unix and there has to have been a gcc port.
https://www.vaxbarn.com/42-repair/756-ipsc-860-repair
>
> I believe (I'll have to check) that in the Osborne-McGraw-Hill/Intel
> i860 book
On 9/23/22 11:12, Gordon Henderson via cctalk wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Sep 2022, emanuel stiebler via cctalk wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> anybody has some GCC or any other tool chain for the above?
>> Or some pointers, which was the last version of the GCC tool chain
>> which supported the i860, and would
On 9/23/22 13:47, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
> It was useful as a simple test of whether an applicant had any
> bit-twiddling experience. But, I couldn't think of practical application.
>
The 6600 implemented it (IIRC) as a tree of 8 bit adders. If you
haven't read Jim Thornton's "Design of
On 9/23/22 11:41, Paul Koning wrote:
>
> Another way to get high speed: one of CDC's first disk drives, the 6603,
> wrote several bits in parallel. 4 bits? 12? I don't remember, but it made
> for a throughput spec that was unbeaten for nearly a decade.
I think the 6638 was the controller
On Fri, 23 Sep 2022, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote:
Earlier this spring. I posted about it, and the general opinion was that a
HP1000 wasn't really worth anything so I just gave it to someone.
That's not the general consensus, at all. There are several HP mini fans on
this list, and even
> On Sep 23, 2022, at 4:47 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 23 Sep 2022, Randy Dawson via cctalk wrote:
>> On the top secret number cruching
>> The Cray had an instruction called 'population count'
>> asked for by the NSA.
>> The number of bits on in a word, not sure what
On Fri, 23 Sep 2022, ben via cctalk wrote:
Just how do the supercomputer do i/o for all that floating numbers.
Weather maps I can see for output, but what about all that Top Secret
number crunching.
Ben.
In one of my first jobs (a gopher for a british physicist, studying Van
Allen belts, in
On Fri, Sep 23, 2022 at 2:22 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Sep 2022, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
> > There might be some exceptions: a spare RF11 or RC11/RS64 platter merely
> > needs to be bolted to the spindle hub and formatted, that's a normal
> > field repair procedure.
On Fri, 23 Sep 2022, Randy Dawson via cctalk wrote:
On the top secret number cruching
The Cray had an instruction called 'population count'
asked for by the NSA.
The number of bits on in a word, not sure what this was used for.
Interesting.
A friend of my ex was asked to code that (in C)
I am quite sure the recipient was very happy to get it. Especially with i/o
cards etc.Ed#
Sent from the all new AOL app for Android
On Fri, Sep 23, 2022 at 12:19 PM, Chris Zach via
cctalk wrote: Earlier this spring. I posted about it,
and the general opinion was that
a HP1000
On Fri, 23 Sep 2022, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
There might be some exceptions: a spare RF11 or RC11/RS64 platter merely
needs to be bolted to the spindle hub and formatted, that's a normal
field repair procedure. But, say, a platter out of an RP04 pack is
unlikely ever to be able to serve
Wish I had seen I would given à home
On Fri., Sep. 23, 2022, 2:19 p.m. Chris Zach via cctalk, <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> Earlier this spring. I posted about it, and the general opinion was that
> a HP1000 wasn't really worth anything so I just gave it to someone.
>
> If things aren't
Earlier this spring. I posted about it, and the general opinion was that
a HP1000 wasn't really worth anything so I just gave it to someone.
If things aren't worth anything I will chuck them. No point in keeping
junk around.
C
On 9/23/2022 10:22 AM, Adrian Stoness via cctalk wrote:
When
On 23/09/22 11:21, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
Cray did? I didn't know that. It first appeared in the CDC 6600, and yes,
according to rumor at the request of NSA. I can imagine it being used for
statistical analysis of character patterns
Yep. Pop count is essentially the Hamming
OK, the web is your friend.
Looks like it has applications in cryptography, or searching thru text:
https://cryptome.org/jya/sadd.htm
From: Chuck Guzis via cctalk
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2022 11:28 AM
To: Randy Dawson via cctalk
Cc: Chuck Guzis
Subject:
> On Sep 23, 2022, at 2:25 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> On 9/23/22 10:52, ben via cctalk wrote:
>
>> Just how do the supercomputer do i/o for all that floating numbers.
>> Weather maps I can see for output, but what about all that Top Secret
>> number crunching.
>
> Well,
On 9/23/22 10:52, ben via cctalk wrote:
> Just how do the supercomputer do i/o for all that floating numbers.
> Weather maps I can see for output, but what about all that Top Secret
> number crunching.
Well, consider the 1969 STAR-100; although not well documented, had a
512-bit wide,
On 9/23/22 11:14, Randy Dawson via cctalk wrote:
> On the top secret number cruching
>
> The Cray had an instruction called 'population count'
>
> asked for by the NSA.
>
> The number of bits on in a word, not sure what this was used for.
The CDC 6600 had a dedicated functional unit for
> On Sep 23, 2022, at 2:14 PM, Randy Dawson via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> On the top secret number cruching
>
> The Cray had an instruction called 'population count'
>
> asked for by the NSA.
>
> The number of bits on in a word, not sure what this was used for.
Cray did? I didn't know
On Fri, 23 Sep 2022, emanuel stiebler via cctalk wrote:
Hi all,
anybody has some GCC or any other tool chain for the above?
Or some pointers, which was the last version of the GCC tool chain which
supported the i860, and would be still compile-able on this days tools/OS's?
Anything?
I
On 9/23/22 10:38, Paul Koning wrote:
> Yes, I was thinking "mainframes" not limited to "supercomputers". Then
> again, from what I remember of the one starring in "War Games", the
> Connection Machine had oodles of lights.
When I first encountered the 7600 MCU, I thought it was a stroke of
> On Sep 23, 2022, at 1:52 PM, ben via cctalk wrote:
>
> Just how do the supercomputer do i/o for all that floating numbers.
> Weather maps I can see for output, but what about all that Top Secret
> number crunching.
> Ben.
I'm not sure I understand the question. Floating point numbers are
> On Sep 23, 2022, at 1:38 PM, Christian Kennedy via cctalk
> wrote:
>
>
> On 23/09/22 10:22, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
>>
>> I view the deadstart panel as a type of boot ROM, different from other boot
>> ROMs only in that it's easy to change. It was tied to an I/O channel; the
>>
On the top secret number cruching
The Cray had an instruction called 'population count'
asked for by the NSA.
The number of bits on in a word, not sure what this was used for.
From: ben via cctalk
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2022 10:52 AM
To:
On 2022-09-23 11:35 a.m., Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
On 9/23/22 09:53, Paul Koning wrote:
Those are good examples, but is it "many" or just those two and maybe one or two more?
For example, Burroughs and IBM mainframes were both very much "lights and switches"
control panel type
On 23/09/22 10:22, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
I view the deadstart panel as a type of boot ROM, different from other boot
ROMs only in that it's easy to change. It was tied to an I/O channel; the
deadstart operation would run an I/O read operation on that channel to load the
initial
On 9/23/22 13:38, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
On Sep 23, 2022, at 1:35 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 9/23/22 09:53, Paul Koning wrote:
Those are good examples, but is it "many" or just those two and maybe one or two more?
For example, Burroughs and IBM mainframes were both very much "lights
On 9/23/22 12:53, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
On Sep 23, 2022, at 12:45 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk
wrote:
On 9/22/22 22:56, ben via cctalk wrote:
Blinking lights tended to be for computers of the future.
World maps with lights where nuclear missiles could strike
seem to be movie props
On Sep 23, 2022, at 1:35 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
>
> On 9/23/22 09:53, Paul Koning wrote:
>
>> Those are good examples, but is it "many" or just those two and maybe one or
>> two more? For example, Burroughs and IBM mainframes were both very much
>> "lights and switches" control panel type
On 9/23/22 09:09, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
On Sep 22, 2022, at 10:44 PM, Tom Hunter via cctalk
wrote:
I cannot understand the mindset of people who buy up components desperately
sought by others who want to restore machines just to nail them to their
man cave or living room wall.
On 9/23/22 09:53, Paul Koning wrote:
> Those are good examples, but is it "many" or just those two and maybe one or
> two more? For example, Burroughs and IBM mainframes were both very much
> "lights and switches" control panel type machines. For that matter, so were
> the other CDC
On 9/23/22 00:49, Teo Zenios via cctalk wrote:
I assume some of that stuff was purchased for TV show or movie props.
Anyway you can't really complain unless you know the origins of those
front panels. Some of that equipment was scrapped a long time ago and
somebody found the front panel or
> On Sep 23, 2022, at 1:09 PM, Joshua Rice via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> ...
> The Cray was often coupled witha DG nova for bootstrapping, which very much
> did have a front panel on it. Indeed, many models of PDP-10 were bootstrapped
> by PDP-11’s with front panels, even if the PDP-10 lacked
> Those are good examples, but is it "many" or just those two and maybe
> one or two more? For example, Burroughs and IBM mainframes were both
> very much "lights and switches" control panel type machines. For
> that matter, so were the other CDC products; the 6000 series was a
> bit of an
> On Sep 23, 2022, at 5:45 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> I thought it curious that many 1960s-1970s supercomputers lacked front
> panels and blinking lights altogether.(e.g. Cray I, CDC
> Cyber/600/700, etc.) Indeed, the Cray couldn't even spin a tape without
> help from
> On Sep 23, 2022, at 12:45 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> On 9/22/22 22:56, ben via cctalk wrote:
>
>> Blinking lights tended to be for computers of the future.
>> World maps with lights where nuclear missiles could strike
>> seem to be movie props only.
> I thought it curious
On 9/22/22 22:56, ben via cctalk wrote:
> Blinking lights tended to be for computers of the future.
> World maps with lights where nuclear missiles could strike
> seem to be movie props only.
I thought it curious that many 1960s-1970s supercomputers lacked front
panels and blinking lights
Well, as it turns out I have a full PDP-8/M front panel, including the
board, which I *believe* is compatible with an 8/E, but has LED lights
instead of incandescent ones (one might have to check to make sure that
the pin with the lamp power isn't used on the baord.)
[It is a FULL front
Of course I meant disk platters in working configuration as in disk packs
or stacks of platters on a spindle, not loose platers extracted from packs
or stacks and converted into coffee tables or wall ornaments.:-)
Tom
On Fri, Sep 23, 2022 at 9:09 PM Paul Koning wrote:
>
>
> > On Sep 22,
Hi all,
anybody has some GCC or any other tool chain for the above?
Or some pointers, which was the last version of the GCC tool chain which
supported the i860, and would be still compile-able on this days tools/OS's?
Anything?
Thanks in advance!
When was that?
On Thu., Sep. 22, 2022, 9:04 p.m. Chris Zach via cctalk, <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> True. I wound up giving away an HP1000 with front panel, because no one
> wanted it. So they do exist out there...
>
> C
>
>
> On 9/22/2022 3:42 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:
> > Look
> On Sep 22, 2022, at 10:44 PM, Tom Hunter via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> I cannot understand the mindset of people who buy up components desperately
> sought by others who want to restore machines just to nail them to their
> man cave or living room wall.
> These same types of people vacuum up
Speaking of orphan front panels...
Anyone have an unwanted PDP 8/s front lights PCB?
I have a machine in my restoration queue, almost complete except for that PCB.
Presumably someone once took the board out to replace some blown light bulbs,
then gave up and never replaced it. Lazy bugger.
At
On Thu, Sep 22, 2022 at 8:42 PM Bill Degnan via cctalk
wrote:
>
> Look for less well-known mini computers.
No, please don't
If the machine it less well known, it is very likely that many fewer
have survived. As a result ruining one for its front panel is going to
make said machine even harder
On 9/22/22 22:56, ben via cctalk wrote:
On 2022-09-22 11:30 p.m., Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
On 9/22/22 21:49, Teo Zenios via cctalk wrote:
I assume some of that stuff was purchased for TV show or movie props.
I recall all of the IBM 1620 front panels in "The Forbin Project", along
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