I used to run a system at Anheuser-Busch in the late 80's, ISTR it was a 4331,
4341, or 4381. Under VM/370, It ran SMI's (Systems Management, Inc) Pick/370
OS. IBM terminals could attach direct or via an establishment controller, but
dumb serial terminals could connect via the series/1's which
Guy wrote...
Wow. Way to make everyone interested in restoring HP 1000 systems (me
included) hate you.
I'm thrilled that he took the time to post them here before they hit the
shredder. Thanks Jesse, much appreciated!
2 PrintServer 17
2 PrintServer 17 high-capacity (1500 sheet) paper trays
3 PS17 Maintenance kits (220 V)
2-4 PS17 Toner cartridges
2 LS17 Toner cartridges
1 MicroVax 3100
1 InfoServer 1000
1 vertical SCSI storage rack
No modern datacenter that I have seen still uses a raised floor *OTHER THAN*
about 3 inches for a ground plane. There is a reason for that... the old idea
of forced cooling under the floor and mixing power & data cables there has been
found to be a truly bad idea.
Power in most any modern
I have two of the authentic tape racks, the ones that held tapes by the snap
closure on the flexible plastic ring. Both are about 65 to 70 inches tall. One
is about 2 feet wide and I will be keeping that. The other is about 5 or 6 feet
wide and should go to a good home. Both are in good
Brent wrote...
There's no way you're angling a regular shafted screwdriver in there to
adequately tighten screws.
One could undo the catch that limits the angle of swing, but I still don't
expect it's going to swing far enough to get the frame out of the way, let
alone the PCBs and motors still
Chuck wrote...
--
The HP disk array rack is a pretty standard 19" EIA rack, with some extra slots
for mounting the disk drive slides.
Looking at the 7970, without the mounting kit, it's a standard 19" wide.
The right side flange has holes for mounting; the left side (the side with the
Chuck's retension levers any chance this is on thingiverse or would you
be willing to send me the .stl file so I can 3dprint my own? :)
I have not looked at my 7970's in quite some time, but I had thought the
previous discussion was for mounting the 7970's in an HP rack. Not all later
HP
Brent wrote...
---
The right side of the drive (should) have little pieces of 1/8" thick
aluminum glued at the back of the rack-mount holes to match the thickness of
the left-side bracket, to make the drive seat parallel to the face of the
rack.
In my (limited) experience
I'm sure there is a post in the archives about this...
There is a special custom HP bracket on the left. It is a heavy piece of
steel - and it MUST be, due to the weight and movement (swing out) of the
unit. I'm used to finding ways for one person to do a two man job when
mounting things in
Kudos to Jesse for working with me offlist, I feel I've gotten a good deal. I
appreciate the offers to help purchase, very much, but I got this taken care of
directly with Jesse and I'm happy.
We have to understand, as others pointed out, that if no one speaks up for
stuff at a price that can
hem a nice pile of money for just that board - make it worth
their while to update the auction?
--
Will
On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 5:34 PM Jay West via cctalk
wrote:
>
> OMG no, that hurts more than just my heart because: That top board on
> the stack is a 12922, part of that 3 board mux
OMG no, that hurts more than just my heart because: That top board on the
stack is a 12922, part of that 3 board mux set for TSB. I sure wish I had
some spare cash at the moment.
The ebay seller lists as "Cypress"? Pushing them out for gold?
-Original Message-
From: cctalk
Grant wrote...
---
Conversely "Hay everybody, check out what we have for sale this week!"
is not so cool.
--
I've dealt with Jesse before, at least I tried to. I needed a particular board
that he had (part of a 12920 mux set) that has almost no commercial value. That
-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of John Foust
via cctalk
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2019 6:33 AM
To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Bogus "account hacked" message
At 08:56 PM 1/8/2019, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote:
>I currently have
This is not a peeing contest. Not concerned about who started it nor who said
something last.
Everyone drop the angst, keep it amicable.
J
Carlo, I apologize that this list is difficult to follow and looks like spam to
you. I'm not sure how to help you if that is your position.
I do suggest that you and Al work things out off-list so that things stay
amicable here ;)
J
-Original Message-
From: cctalk
Fred wrote...
In addition, how hard would it be to 3D print some parts to turn it into a
PLOTTER?
---
I have not seen or done the below myself. But I have heard that there are
plenty of conversion kits out there for 3d printers to do:
As fred asked... https://tinyurl.com/y9d7sbwt
Also... PCB
Gene wrote...
For what you're going to use it for, that's a good choice. I wouldn't
recommend it as a printer though. ;) (The design isn't bad, but it's not a
very newbie-friendly printer.)
-
Gene, you're just sore that the $175 ender 3 is comparable to a Prusa i3 Mk3
that costs
Fred wrote
>> If you are seriously considering getting one, consider:
>> https://www.woot.com/category/computers?ref=w_gh_cp_5
>> That offer is for 24 hours!
I've had dual time-sinks the past year, a 3d printer and a high end drone :)
The 3d printer I got was the creality ender 3 that is
I could probably use one more period-correct HP rack if someone has one they
need to go away. The HP mint gray ones, not the more modern beige/cream/white.
J
>>> I think it's time for cctech to die.
>>>
>>>
>> I agree!
>>
>>
> Not die so much as one become an alias of the other. I actually use
> them both, depending on the nature of my question. Someone should run
> a set of tests.
It was decided and announced long ago that cctalk and cctech
I know some of our members are into phones...
I am tossing the following in a skip to go to a recycler. I'd rather not
ship the units, but am willing to pull any boards if someone needs them.
Toshiba Strata DX
Toshiba CIX200
Toshiba CIX40
The will be sent off to recycler Monday or
Digital Equipment Corporation 1975 – 1985
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Holm Tiffe via cctalk
Sent: 02 October 2018 18:01
To: Jay West; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: PDP-11 in russia?
Jay West via cctalk wrote:
> Someone has contacted me about a pdp
in russia?
On 10/02/2018 08:52 AM, Jay West via cctalk wrote:
> I do have a phone number for them. I am not really familiar with
> international dialing, but it starts:
>
> +79507. which my google-fu seems to indicate is Slovenia?
>
>
I wouldn't call a Slovenian a Russian to hi
[mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Katz
via cctalk
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2018 7:47 AM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: PDP-11 in russia?
On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 1:37 PM Jay West via cctalk
wrote:
> Someone has contacted me ab
Someone has contacted me about a pdp-11 that controls a "measuring machine
dea epsilon".
It appears that they want to replace the pdp-11 with a "ibm" (I'm guessing a
pc), and then they would give the pdp-11 as a gift.
That is all the info I have. Are there any listmembers in Russia who
This was claimed by the way..
-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Jay West
via cctalk
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 2:02 PM
To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
Subject: pdp-11/34 extravaganza
I was contacted about an 11/34 system available
I was contacted about an 11/34 system available. It appears to be not just a
system, nor just a system in a rack, but pretty much a full installation and
all the trimmings (printers, terminals, documentation, media, etc.). I am
pretty sure some of the terminals will invoke interest at the very
Once again. Silent700 put together an incredible show for the Midwest
computer festival in Elk Grove. Every room that was rented was almost
overflowing most of the show, so I suspect attendance was great. I heard a
lot of good feedback on the speakers and presentations, and I also noticed
that the
Ed wrote...
--
can use the hpib but some one would have to be on way to grand canyon and drop
off..
---
You aware that your HP TSB systems wont speak HPIB?
J
Dominique wrote:
$75 for one toggle switch ? $9,999.00 for a rusty PDP8L ?
hem ... No
-
Mitch Miller is a really good guy, and very "collector friendly".
He still sells to a lot of business clients, and those are the prices he can
get for those in that market.
However, if you
Fred wrote...
d) The TRULY IMPORTANT issues will never be solved through the use of armed
forces:
big-endian V little-endian
vi v emacs
DEC V IBM
CDC V IBM
TRS80 V Apple
Atari V Commodore
IBM V Apple
Android V IOS
Linux V Windoze V MacOS
number of buttons on a mouse
You left off
Back up, testing.
Definitely OK by me, does anyone object?
Also don't forget www.tabalabs.com.br as well :)
J
-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Alexandre
Souza via cctalk
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2018 2:52 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and
Mark - if you don't find another good spot for it, I'd be happy to host it for
free. Perhaps rsx.classiccmp.org or such.
Best,
J
Liam wrote...
https://danluu.com/input-lag/
Hey thanks for that link... fun read!
J
I suspect I must be missing something. I haven't gotten a request/question from
Zane or Jim about anything lately.
As Doc said "Please state the nature of your emergency" :>
Let me know what you need and I'll be happy to help.
J
-Original Message-
From: cctalk
Gene wrote...
> Just...no.
Yeah, agreed. No.
Fred wrote...
>The "nuts" and "bolts" should be capacitors and chips.
>The squared off U shaped object nearest on the desk >should be replaced by
an Escher Fork (aka impossible >trident).
>soldering iron and scope, instead of hammer.
>maybe some magic
The 'other Jay' wrote...
--
Diagnostics for DG systems are notoriously difficult to find. I have a few, in
listing format.
--
I have a full official DG-issued/labeled original diagnostic OS tape. I do
believe it is at 800bpi
Test - no reply needed.
My fault for being hopelessly backlogged. I will have a website spot ready for
the content by tomorrow morning.
How about http://ape.classiccmp.org ? FreeBSD/Apache/MySQL/PHP ok?
-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Richard Cini
via cctalk
A guy recently contacted me that had an 11/05 for sale, stating his first
preference was it go to a museum and if that failed, he wanted to sell it. I
sure hope he's not parting it out on ebay
Please don’t email me about it... if the museum he's currently talking to
doesn't take it, I'll
And FYI... bitsavers is mirrored multiple places, so if it is at bitsavers,
it's already got multiple sources.
Yes, I am aware of the list problems. Yes, it went down a couple weeks ago and
again about a week ago. The issue is that I've been migrating the classiccmp
server VM from an old falling apart cluster to a new one. Rather than just
migrate it, I decided to take the time to upgrade everything.
So either it’s a bug and will be fixed soon, or we have a very limited window
to grab it before DNS propagates.
As always - willing to host any classic computer related websites free of
charge. Not trying to take aaron's site if he's still got it, just want to make
sure it's preserved.
J
Got it covered.
Ed wrote...
--
HP 21mx/whatever processor works with double sided key... (I forgot
model#)
--
Given the way you phrased it, the correct replacement for 'whatever' is M
series. E and F never used the double sided key.
However, even that is not entirely correct. Older M's used the
Us lowly technician license holders would love to participate :)
J/KE0FJW
If anyone has interest in Digital Aeon's (aka Steve Landon) "offer to get rid
of his collection", please contact him directly off-list, and let's not
continue this thread here.
J
Crates of 'em. Not sure how many are 800 vs 1200 though...
-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of jim stephens
via cctalk
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 6:42 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
VCF Univac 'project leader' wrote:
"Remember that there is only 32K of memory in the machine."
"only 32k"?? HP2K ran 32 users in 32K of ram, and did it quite well.
J
Sellam wrote...
--
Dwight & Jay, I know you guys for sure have Nicolet 1080 minis. And I think
there's someone else that has one, maybe more.
--
My Nicolet was moved to another collector many years ago. I do not recall who
for sure, but I think it was Dwight?
Best,
J
I was both stuck out of town as well as suffering a local mbox snafu so I
did not see this thread.
If anyone managed to save it, and the owner cannot be contacted/found, I'd
be happy to host it (or at least house it if permission is not obvious).
J
On 10/3/17 7:24 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
> Al has a bunch of 7970 stuff on bitsavers, but not, I think (I could
> be wrong) the manual specific to the B and C models.
I do have a chunk of HP service manuals (pretty sure 7970 included) that are in
electronic format but have never made
Re: 7970's with HP-IB support
I had written
.
I've never once seen that option in the wild though
To which Ed# replied...
YES! hp 30 series 3000 systems and 40 series had hpib 1600 bpi
7970e in early days.
Generally, there are far more 2100/21MX systems still around
Jack wrote
> Question: I understand that most (all?) of the '7970 drives interfaced
> through the HP-IB IEEE-488 bus.
To which AEK replied
--
wrong.
full stop.
--
Welcome to our nook of the net. The grizzled veterans are here, and there's
quite a few HP 2100/21MX folks
I keep his pages online as he had a pretty huge amount of info and pictures.
On more than one occasion over the years I have tried to locate him, and posted
on the list about it. There have been no positive responses
J
ED#WROTE
What is really scarce is a 7 track 7970b!
I have a 7970B (needs some repair) that I would LOVE to trade for a 7970E.
J
I may be convinced to split it with you. I could always use another 7970E. I
can't tell from the pictures if one is master and one is slave only
though.. that would be key.
Christian wrote
---
In total, there are three different keys used on the 21MX, 1000M and
1000E/F.
---
Ug... no. There are not 3 different keys used. And for the record, the 1000M
and 1000E/F are *ALL* 21MX's, at least in the end. They are also all
"1000's" in the end as well :> But
No, that key won't work. The one Mike is looking for is dual sided key and
controls a switch (off, on, standby, etc.). Yours the key is just a latch.
I had a ton of those A machines, but guess I traded them all off. Wouldn't
surprise me, I standardized on the newer power supplies and
There is supposed to be a rule inside mailman, that if the x-spam-score
exceeds X (where X is I don't recall at the moment) it is deleted
automatically before moderation.
I'll check on why it made it.
J
If DB doesn't want them, I will save/store them.
J
Trying to reach alexander souza regarding his classiccmp hosted website, but
no response. Anyone know if he has a new email address or something?
J
For official bitsavers mirrors, rsyncd has been turned back on (it was off
while bitsavers was migrated to the new classiccmp server, and during
testing). If you host a bitsavers mirror and have any issues with rsync (you
will, if you were using the IP instead of the host name) please let me know
Emergency moderation mode is in effect. Your posts to the list will likely
be delayed during this time. I'm sure it will return to non-emergency mode
quickly.
I've ended the previous thread. That's a bit of a shame, as many of the held
postings in that thread were pretty interesting stuff that
9:40 am, Jay West via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org
<mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org> > wrote:
And if you don't think that evan's post was a personal attack, then I
just don't know what I can tell you. I saw that and jumped on it first.
> On a technical list with adults, I beli
I wrote...
> I did not say sexism was ok.
To which toby replied...
>That is, indeed, the message you are sending
No. It is not. It is what you are saying that I intend. And not that I have to
explain myself but historically when anyone posts something I'd like to
curb, I generally do it
Seth, my wife is one of those engineers that you speak of. She has 30+ years at
a 'well known global engineering company'. She has succeeded greatly and she
has done so specifically by insisting that she be treated the same, not
differently.
She discusses the stance that you wrote below very
Several wrote...
> You may feel free to remove me from this list.
And
> Likewise.
And
> That's it for me and this list.
I did not say sexism was ok. Those that are reading that in to it - please
click unsubscribe as you are obviously looking for an excuse to do so
regardless. Or perhaps you're
It was written...
---
That's crude, ignorant, sexist, and wrong.
---
The above statement sounds to me as being intolerant, hatespeech, and
judgemental. Why do you think you have the right to determine that and apply
labels to someone?
The world has gone mad
Eric (via AEK) wrote
--
"RX02 format uses single-density address fields even for double density. The
RX02 can "reformat" standard single-density into RX02 modified MFM format just
by rewriting all of the data fields.
It still can't low-level format a blank or MFM disk."
So you
Jim wrote...
--
Passing this along to the list. This looks like a very nice system.
Via Steve Stengel.
Craigslist listing says it is @ an American Legion post. Looks to be in
north county, American Legion Post 444 on Old Jamestown Road.
I got the following email, not sure what to make of it..
I just happen to have a PDP11 you might be interested in
It is a Codex 6745
I have 4 work stations the processor and the server
I also have an IBM series one complete with all of the log books that go
with it ,a beautiful
So Mihail contacted me and he wants to get rid of (sell) 3 old Russian
computers with documentation.
Pictures at: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0ByRamH3wFb6SYU1kclZQNWxkQUU
If anyone is interested, contact me off-list and I'll put you in touch with
the owner.
Best,
J
Some guy contacted me saying he had pulled all the boards from an MRI
machine that had a problem with the moving bed. Hr
He gave me an excel spreadsheet of what appeared to be AD/DA stuff branded
IMATRON, Dec boards (M8043, M8044DF, M8186), Distributed Logic MQ759
controller, some Computer
https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/sop/6209023826.html
Not connected to the seller in any way, a friend of mine in phx just sent me
the link as he knew I was "in to old computers".
J
John wrote...
--
I saw your post online regarding the D-101 Datascope Manual. If you still
have copy, I'm interested. Please let me know?
Thank you.
--
He must be referring to a post I had made... quite some time ago I was
looking for manuals... I did find them. I'll reply to him directly
Unless somehow the discussion of CFL bulbs revolves around front panel light
replacement this thread needs to die.
J
3rd
-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Bill
Gunshannon via cctalk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 2:28 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: RE: xv and VMS
I'll second that.
bill
Don't need a response, please ignore.
J
Pontus wrote...
-
You could argue that years are index starting from zero. Thus the 20-year
celebration is next year and we have ample time to prepare.
-
That's a hilariously great idea for the rationalization and justification
department *grin*
J
Zane wrote...
-
I think it's safe to say that a list dedicated to computer history, forgot its
own history.
-
I beg to disagree with the premise. Yes, there are quite a few people here that
focus on the history and historical aspects of the hobby. But that doesn't mean
the list is
Sam wrote…
How does one back up a system like that?
-
Well, it’s rsynced to X mirror sites around the globe (where X is I forgot, but
I believe around 8 or 10 sites). So one site going dark isn’t going to make the
content go away – even if the dead site is the master site on classiccmp.
Alexandre wrote...
--
Is there interesting of having a "comunity backup" of bitsavers in Brazil?
--
I just host the main repository and rsyncd to the mirrors. The site is 100%
owned and maintained by Al Kossow. So you'd need to ask that question of Al
as he's the one that decides
Gene wrote
-
One of these days you should post a list. :)
-
Ha! I Have, several times. I'm still wrapping up the datacenter migration.
At this point, its down to loose ends and freebie/myhobbystuff :)
The classiccmp server will be reloaded, a few much needed disks added... and
there's
Ben wrote...
Just how big is the server?
Bitsavers that is publicly visible is around 275gb but there's some other
bitsavers working areas.
But the classiccmp server... has significantly more than that, due to all
the classiccmp related websites and archives/repositories that are hosted
Did you perhaps change your IP address? Bitsavers rsync access is only
allowed per specific IP addresses...
-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Jay West
via cctalk
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 10:19 AM
To: 'Christian Corti' &l
That's my fault I'm still mopping up pieces from our datacenter move.
I'll try to get it resolved today.
-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Christian
Corti via cctalk
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 3:06 AM
To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
I would suggest that the premise (“C is so evil”) of your question (“why is {C}
so successful?”) is incorrect.
No C is not evil, yes it is wildly successful.
Now the ++ in C++…. THAT is evil ;)
J
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Charles
Dickman via
Ethan wrote...
-
I'm following this thread because I too want a decent terminal emulator that
works with a variety of vintage text editors (that seems to be the torture
test) but for Linux or OS X. Putty seems to be a repeat suggestion but it's
not for my platforms.
--
The most
It was written
==
This header change thing is A BIG MESS! Make it like before, PLEASE!
It's just annoying, unusable (On my iOS devices, I can't find the original
sender at all!) and completely unneeded.
I'm losing fun using the list.
--
We've been in the
The server seems to be alive at the new IP, mail flowing, websites up..
Still checking a few things, but appears complete.
J
The classiccmp host will be going down tonight around 8pm. It should be back
up by 2am tomorrow.
This will affect the mailing list as well as any and all websites hosted by
the classiccmp server.
While we provide DNS for most of those websites, there are a few that still
maintain their own
Local electronics place has a HP 9815A for sale, the appearance from a 10
foot distance was "fair" or slightly less than fair condition. If someone is
serious about it, let me know and I'll inquire further.
J
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