Code Ownership

2001-07-31 Thread Jeffry Houser
Talk to a lawyer. Yesterday. I'm not one. :ha, ha: My memory back to college is a little vague, and this was never discussed as an official class, but it came up with a few of the teachers 'after hours' ... There was a time when (as a student) even if you developed something on yo

Re: Renting CF5

2001-07-31 Thread Judith Dinowitz
> Don't worry about this tech slowdown, folks. We're just in the cooling > down > period after the mindless Internet Orgy of the past couple of years, where > rational thinking was abandoned in favor of raw, below-the-belt urges to > mate. The market is just temporarily smoking a cigarette and c

Re: Another coup!

2001-07-31 Thread Todd Ashworth
Hehe .. glad it didn't come to revolution .. Then we would have had to worry about ya ;) Thank goodness no one was hurt. Would he really get life? heh. Here he would get about 5 years maybe. I guess we just can't help but feel sorry for morons .. Todd - By the way, whatever happened

RE: Another coup!

2001-07-31 Thread Angel Stewart
ROFL! I just hear the real story..and its funnier than the rumor mongering that has swept through downtown today :) it seems that some moron wanted to steal a cash register from a store.. So this guy decides he can't get very far with a whole cash register..so he needed a diversion. So he thre

Another coup!

2001-07-31 Thread Angél Stewart
Wow! People are saying that tonight is going to be another Coup attempt by subversive elements in Trinidad..better known as the muslimeen, a paramilitary group that launched an unsuccessful coup in 1990. They were recently in the news in the US with an arms smuggling opearation that was broken u

RE: Funny logo..

2001-07-31 Thread Paul Ihrig
lazy boy powers Activate. -paul "the ponds here are drying up. if your not a mud skipper you are likely to be bird food.." web developer, nbbj work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 614 241-3534 fax:614 485-5534 home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 614 449-1681 icq:47658358 -Origin

Funny logo..

2001-07-31 Thread Angél Stewart
http://www.medtronic.com/images/sublevel_mt_logo.gif The site deals with diagnosing fainting.. don't you find the logo amusing in a sort of slapstick humor way? ;-) -Gel ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at h

Re: New Advanced ColdFusion Courses Online

2001-07-31 Thread Adam Phillip Churvis
> Hey guys, you owe it to yourselves to look into these! > > I took the Advanced Bootcamp in June and it was the first course I've taken > in two years that actually challenged me and gave me more than a pittance > of good material. My company requires 40 hours of training per employee > per year

RE: Leeegalisssee ittt!

2001-07-31 Thread Angél Stewart
And..I know of an individual that hangs with people that smoke occasionally.. and they went through University, one graduated with First Class Honours, another is now working at BP.. Another migrated...they all turned out ok. I wonder what would have happened if your friends had substituted Alc

RE: Leeegalisssee ittt!

2001-07-31 Thread Kevin Gilchrist
Get this week's "The Economist" for a 12-page exploration of the subject. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 1:01 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Leeegalisssee ittt! Okay, I'll bite. I haven't seen any real, *objective*

Re: Leeegalisssee ittt!

2001-07-31 Thread eric . laney
Okay, I'll bite. I haven't seen any real, *objective* data on marijuana. All the data I've seen has either come from DARE or from pro-legalization groups, neither of which I would consider reliable sources of data. However, I can give you the empirical data of my own youth. When I was fourtee

RE: Leeegalisssee ittt!

2001-07-31 Thread Paul Ihrig
in November here in Columbus. we are having a vote to de criminalize possession of 7 grams or is it ounces or less. -paul "the ponds here are drying up. if your not a mud skipper you are likely to be bird food.." web developer, nbbj work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 614 241-3534 fax:614 48

Re: New Advanced ColdFusion Courses Online

2001-07-31 Thread eric . laney
Hey guys, you owe it to yourselves to look into these! I took the Advanced Bootcamp in June and it was the first course I've taken in two years that actually challenged me and gave me more than a pittance of good material. My company requires 40 hours of training per employee per year, at least

Re: beta.allaire.com - whoops!

2001-07-31 Thread William J Wheatley
lol hopefully the person who let that happen will get a good througouh flogging =) for embarrasing macromedia that way Bill Wheatley Director of Development Allaire Certified ColdFusion Developer AEPS INC Allaire ColdFusion Consulting Partner www.aeps.com www.aeps2000.com 954-472-6684 X303 ICQ

Re: Leeegalisssee ittt!

2001-07-31 Thread Todd Ashworth
WASHINGTON D.C., United States (Reuters) -- The U.S. government issued a statement today, publicly protesting Canada's decision to allow terminally ill patients to grow and smoke their own marijuana. Several government representatives are concerned about the influence that Canada may have on the

New Advanced ColdFusion Courses Online

2001-07-31 Thread Adam Phillip Churvis
Well, we finally got the new ColdFusion courses online. All courses are now five days, twelve hours per day. Lots of new stuff, including an absolutely killer scalability course and an advanced web graphics course geared toward ColdFusion developers. You are compelled to look at the new stuff!

RE: Leeegalisssee ittt!

2001-07-31 Thread Angél Stewart
"The U.S. Justice Department questions marijuana's medical usefulness and says it must remain banned." Since when are lawyers and judges making medical assessments? Oh Wait! Since Drug companies are pumping so much campaign money... "Marijuana is prohibited in Canada as well and sufferers will n

B*llSh*t Software Alliance

2001-07-31 Thread Lee
A very interesting article for those who may have been terrorized by the BSA. Apparently it's all about sales. http://www.zdnet.com/eweek/stories/general/0,11011,2799089,00.html ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official bo

Re: Renting CF5

2001-07-31 Thread eric . laney
Don't worry about this tech slowdown, folks. We're just in the cooling down period after the mindless Internet Orgy of the past couple of years, where rational thinking was abandoned in favor of raw, below-the-belt urges to mate. The market is just temporarily smoking a cigarette and contemplat

Re: Leeegalisssee ittt!

2001-07-31 Thread Michael Dinowitz
I can make a TON of remarks on who posted this but will leave it waay alone. ;) There's another article around here somewhere about them growing a ton of it in a mine shaft. Cool tech. At 10:56 AM 7/31/01, you wrote: >^_^ >Things just get better and better! >

RE: beta.allaire.com - whoops!

2001-07-31 Thread Angél Stewart
Personally..I think the company is insane for starting up in this climate to do web development. But I'm not complaining. My job will be here for me if things go bad. *shrug* I will be screwed with the car though! :) *charges onward merrily* -Gel -Original Message- From: Wayne Putteri

Leeegalisssee ittt!

2001-07-31 Thread Angél Stewart
^_^ Things just get better and better! - Canada lets terminally ill grow, smoke marijuana July 30, 2001 Posted: 3:49 PM EDT (1949 GMT) Terminally ill patients in Canada can now legally 'grow their own' ... OTTAWA, Canada (Reuters) -- Canada became the f

Re: Renting CF5

2001-07-31 Thread Todd Ashworth
heh .. well maybe they could whip up something in CF that could automate the whole thing for them ;) It works for us. Someone comes to the site, decides they want to use the web app. They sign up online. CF (and other stuff) makes their web site, makes their database, enters them in the billin

RE: Renting CF5

2001-07-31 Thread Eric Dawson
>>Then why is the software industry as a whole trying to transition itself >>into subscriptions? I agree. I think it is a great model. gteed cash flow. dedicated / committed user base that you can take to the bank. Eric Dawson Work hard, play harder! "Hey, Regular Expressions are much more fu

Re: beta.allaire.com - whoops!

2001-07-31 Thread Wayne Putterill
- Original Message - From: "Angél Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 3:21 PM Subject: RE: beta.allaire.com - whoops! > -Gel > *nudges Wayne* > So...do ya have that screenshot? > ;-) Nah, can't let that sort of thing get out in

Re: Renting CF5

2001-07-31 Thread Adam Phillip Churvis
> Then why is the software industry as a whole trying to transition itself > into subscriptions? Are you arguing that if Microsoft's new plans for > subscription based services are successful, banks will stop lending them > money? Yes, but to get a subscription you first have to purchase the bas

Re: Renting CF5

2001-07-31 Thread Nick McClure
>I think MM could do well with this type of model. The key is to make people >dependant on the software once they start using it. Well, it's easy to make >someone dependant on CF Server, ya know? Imagine how much they could >increase long term revenue by charging hosting providers, who can't a

Re: Renting CF5

2001-07-31 Thread eric . laney
> Please note that if you download another evaluation copy of an Allaire > product you may be added to this list again. Bad, Allaire! No biscuit! |---+-| |Eric A. Laney |No battle plan ever survives contact with the

RE: beta.allaire.com - whoops!

2001-07-31 Thread Angél Stewart
Thanks for the chuckle anyways :) You must admit the irony was a little funny.. Well..I thought so anyways..no hard feelings and all ^_^ -Gel *nudges Wayne* So...do ya have that screenshot? ;-) -Original Message- From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] FYI, this will be fixed s

Re: Renting CF5

2001-07-31 Thread Todd Ashworth
| > Eric, this simply won't give them the cash flow necessary to operate the | > corporation at a profit margin appropriate for their industry. Our newest product is a subscription based we app. If we can achieve 3% market penetration, the cash flow will be more than enough to operate the compan

RE: okies people..career question.

2001-07-31 Thread Paul Ihrig
gel if you are ever in need of a cf_hack let me know. also my fiance is the whip at graphic design. -paul "the ponds here are drying up. if your not a mud skipper you are likely to be bird food.." ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox.

RE: Renting CF5

2001-07-31 Thread Benjamin S. Rogers
> > (This is really an accounting and/or marketing issue - I mean really all I > > am asking for is mm (or whoever) to finance my server licensing over two > > years, include the upgrade subscription fee, and some early withdrawal > > insurance. and maybe throw in some financing and administration

RE: okies people..career question.

2001-07-31 Thread Chuck Hergenroeder
You forgot chocolate chip cookies! In the ad in the papers I'm going to put:"Ability to make good tasting blueberry muffins and coffee a plus" -Original Message- From: Angél Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 9:19 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: okies peopl

Re: CF-Community-List V1 #67

2001-07-31 Thread Jeffry Houser
>-- > >Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 21:24:33 -0500 >From: "Eric Dawson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: Renting CF5 >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>If you use it, you gotta buy it... >Well I'm not against paying for it, sure

RE: Developer Rights?

2001-07-31 Thread Chuck Hergenroeder
Can I get a sample copy of this tool? -- Un-encrypted of course! I agree with Gel, it is a touch situation. From the developer point of view, it's your code, you gave it to them and now that you are gone you do not want them to profit from something that they did not pay for. Now from a busines

RE: okies people..career question.

2001-07-31 Thread Angél Stewart
Its in TRINIDAD! Isn't that GREAT STUFF! I get paid in US$...to live in low-cost-of-living,beach 15 minutes away,Free Drinks parties,DirectPC enabled,Girls of every ethnicity and description(Plus we can't forget our neighbourhood Venezuelans)...Trinidad! With Tobago right next door! And STILL

Re: Developer Rights?

2001-07-31 Thread Nick McClure
If you wrote the source code on your own time and your own resources then you are the owner of that code unless your contract says otherwise. Now the fact that you have used that code in your company grays the lines. This all depends on your contract. What I have done on the past is release a

Developer Rights...

2001-07-31 Thread Neil Clark
You are in a tricky situation here, legally if you developed the tool outside of your employers time then the tool can be classed as yours alone and your employer can form another contract with you re: the use of the tool with updates etc.. you can get a nice little $ sum from that kind of thing.

RE: beta.allaire.com - whoops!

2001-07-31 Thread Raymond Camden
FYI, this will be fixed soon. === Raymond Camden, Principal Spectra Compliance Engineer for Macromedia Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ UIN : 3679482 "My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda > -Original Mes

RE: Developer Rights?

2001-07-31 Thread Angél Stewart
Are you going to sell this thing? Are THEY going to sell this thing... Is HE going to sell this thing? Have you put a copyright notice in there? What happens after they get accustomed to using the program and need to make a change..your successor is going to have to rewrite this thing from scratc

RE: beta.allaire.com - whoops!

2001-07-31 Thread Angél Stewart
ROFL! Oh Geez! You should send that to some tech spoof site..did you take a screenshot? :) -Gel -Original Message- From: Wayne Putterill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Looks like someone forgot to pay the bills ;) ---

Developer Rights?

2001-07-31 Thread Guy McDowell
Hmmm, I developed a content management system. A simple one, but cool nonetheless. I did this on my own time, with my own resources. Then I saw a need for it at my current employer's and implemented it into our websites. Works great! However, I am leaving here soon. I don't mind leaving the ap

RE: okies people..career question.

2001-07-31 Thread Guy McDowell
Hey Gel! Congrats friend! I'm sure you'll prosper and learn in this new position. As a corollary, I, too, have a new job! YAY! No more whining about working at a non-profit! I'll be in Toronto, ON Canada now at a real development/consulting/training company. My goodness, I'll actually get pai

Re: beta.allaire.com - whoops!

2001-07-31 Thread Tim Painter
Heh. Maybe they are hosting with Interland. Tim P. - Original Message - From: "Wayne Putterill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 7:27 AM Subject: beta.allaire.com - whoops! Looks like someone forgot to pay the bills ;) ---

RE: beta.allaire.com - whoops!

2001-07-31 Thread Philip Arnold - ASP
> Looks like someone forgot to pay the bills ;) > -- > - > Access is Restricted to this ColdFusion Service. > This copy of Allaire ColdFusion is licensed for use by a single user only. > The ColdFusion server is currently conf

beta.allaire.com - whoops!

2001-07-31 Thread Wayne Putterill
Looks like someone forgot to pay the bills ;) --- Access is Restricted to this ColdFusion Service. This copy of Allaire ColdFusion is licensed for use by a single user only. The ColdFusion server is currently configured to acc

Re: Renting CF5

2001-07-31 Thread Tim Painter
Eric, I just got this in my inbox yesterday. (Please note: this is not an endorsement of their products and services -- just passing it along) ** Now you can LEASE MACROMEDIA SOFTWARE For only pennies a day, you can have the most advanced web development an

RE: okies people..career question.

2001-07-31 Thread Will Swain
Congrats and good luck Gel :) Will -Original Message- From: Angél Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 30 July 2001 17:38 To: CF-Community Subject: RE: okies people..career question. Well. I just did it. Gave my manager verbal notice of my intention to resign. Going to send in t