Re: Computing landscape just shifted- MAC OSX on Normal PCs!

2005-08-15 Thread Jochem van Dieten
C. Hatton Humphrey wrote: Depends, is it stealing if I have the .tar.bz2 on my hard drive In Europe it is. Ever since the EU had the so-called Software Directive copyright on programs is much different from copyright on content. Jochem

Re: Walken 2008

2005-08-15 Thread Maureen
If he has any success at all, the Natalie Wood drowning will become the hottest topic since Monica's blue dress. On 8/14/05, S. Isaac Dealey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Erika wrote: http://www.walken2008.com/ Heck, it may actually work...

RE: why charlie loves comics

2005-08-15 Thread James Smith
What a nice personality she has ;) http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/InfiniteCrisis/IC02cvrLee.html think the demographic is largely horny teenaged boys? :) -- Charlie Griefer ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your

i am Plumber Putty

2005-08-15 Thread Paul Ihrig
we just riped out the old tile plaster from the bathroom walls. about 1200 pound worth i removed the old sink yesterday tried to install the new one. wouldn't you know it, after a few hours of messing with it, the stores for parts are closed, and i couldn't stop a slow leak. so i will try to

Re: i am Plumber Putty

2005-08-15 Thread Paul Ihrig
http://www.easy2.com/cm/easy/diy_ht_index.asp?page_id=35694426 has a cute animation on how to sweat a line. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application

Re: i am Plumber Putty

2005-08-15 Thread Deanna Schneider
The real key to remember when you're soldering is that you're heating the pipe, not the solder. The mistake that most people make is that they put the flame on the solder, which melts it too quickly and doesn't give you the bond that you need. Basic steps. Thoroughly clean the pipe fittings.

Site design finalised, now for content :)

2005-08-15 Thread Vivec
Welp! The site design was finalised and put 'Near Live' meaning it is sitting there just waiting for an href on the front page to be activated *grin* www.carnivaltribe.com/index.cfm There was a big party for the carnival band and I saw the design up on two huge plasma screens, it was very neat

Re: Site design finalised, now for content :)

2005-08-15 Thread Paul Ihrig
Jel! i love the site! great job man! the makeup costums are incredible. would like to see more information of the history of carnival on the islands. local legend lore. the tribe thing is fantastic. you going to put up any music information? overall great site!

Re: Site design finalised, now for content :)

2005-08-15 Thread Paul Ihrig
also wth is boom, in the lower left? also the little flag takes you to http://undefined.org/ which is down. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100%

Re: Walken 2008

2005-08-15 Thread Paul Ihrig
so what party is he? ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message:

Re: Walken 2008

2005-08-15 Thread G
I coulda used a little more cowbell Heck, it may actually work... unfortunately our culture is such now that it seems celebrity is much more important than the legitimate issues, so since the voting will be based on the quality of the candidates hair, the hope would be to find a celebrity

Re: Site design finalised, now for content :)

2005-08-15 Thread Kevin Graeme
This looks different than it did before. Didn't the water effect fill all the way across the window? Now it cuts off and there's the light blue background. I liked the full immersion effect it had before. Congrats on the near launch and the points you make about testing are always good. I notice

Re: 250 mpg car

2005-08-15 Thread Jerry Barnes
It would be nice if someone would have posted how much fuel it cost to charge all of the batteries. On 8/14/05, Marlon Moyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/08/14/0147222from=rss -- Marlon A mulatto, an albino, a mosquito, my libido

Re: Walken 2008

2005-08-15 Thread Maureen
I went through his website pretty thoroughly and couldn't find any mention of a political party. His rhetoric sounds more Dem than Repug, but I doubt he would have much chance with either party unless he could raise a whole bunch of money like Dean did in 2004. On 8/15/05, Paul Ihrig [EMAIL

Re: Attempt at a WDDX replacement... comments?

2005-08-15 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
I'd recommend dropping the fields attribute of your data tag... use a name, varname or variable attribute in the child tag instead... i.e. this packet: data type=struct fields=my,struct,keys data type=stringblah/data data type=stringblah/data data type=stringblah/data

Re: Walken 2008

2005-08-15 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
so what party is he? I don't think he is... s. isaac dealey 954.522.6080 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.fusiontap.com http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm

Re: Walken 2008

2005-08-15 Thread Aaron Rouse
oh, so he is a lewser :) On 8/15/05, S. Isaac Dealey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so what party is he? I don't think he is... s. isaac dealey 954.522.6080 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework

Re: 250 mpg car

2005-08-15 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
Iirc the article said about a quarter ... I'm guessing they meant per night of having it plugged into an outlet in the garage. It would be nice if someone would have posted how much fuel it cost to charge all of the batteries. On 8/14/05, Marlon Moyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: Site design finalised, now for content :)

2005-08-15 Thread Deanna Schneider
This is just a niggling thing - but in the sections section, once you pick a section, you can't get back to the menu of sections easily. I mean, I can go back up to the main menu - but I wanted something in there that let me go back to the other sections. By the way, as someone that has never

Re: i am Plumber Putty

2005-08-15 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
need to find a few links on basic soldering. i suck at it. That's your problem. :) Sounds painful by the way, you should put some ice on that. s. isaac dealey 954.522.6080 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework

Re: 250 mpg car

2005-08-15 Thread Aaron Rouse
I have a hard time believing that charging those things up only costs a quarter. On 8/15/05, S. Isaac Dealey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Iirc the article said about a quarter ... I'm guessing they meant per night of having it plugged into an outlet in the garage.

Re: Walken 2008

2005-08-15 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
Because he doesn't party? :P oh, so he is a lewser :) On 8/15/05, S. Isaac Dealey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so what party is he? I don't think he is... s. isaac dealey 954.522.6080 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source

Re: Walken 2008

2005-08-15 Thread Tony Weeg
is this for real? tw On 8/15/05, S. Isaac Dealey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because he doesn't party? :P oh, so he is a lewser :) On 8/15/05, S. Isaac Dealey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so what party is he? I don't think he is... s. isaac dealey 954.522.6080 new epoch :

Re: Walken 2008

2005-08-15 Thread Aaron Rouse
Of course it is, it has to be, I did see it on the internet. On 8/15/05, Tony Weeg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is this for real? tw ~| Now there’s a better way to fax. eFax makes it possible to use your existing email

RE: i am Plumber Putty

2005-08-15 Thread Nick McClure
Don't forget the cold wet rag after the solder is applied. Quick cooling of the pipe and the solder ensures that it doesn't continue to run down leaving too little solder on the bond. _ From: Deanna Schneider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 7:53 AM To:

Re: Ummm, I think this could be a fun toy NSFW

2005-08-15 Thread Ben Doom
(because no sex toy is ever designed to accomodate heavy-set people -- I guess they assume only thin people deserve to have sex) but it Then I deserve a *lot* of sex. Where is it? --Ben ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading

Re: Walken 2008

2005-08-15 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
If he has any success at all, the Natalie Wood drowning will become the hottest topic since Monica's blue dress. I doub it. You'd think there'd be more about it on Google... even without it being under rabid public scrutiny... http://www.signonsandiego.com/tvradio/040227_remote.html But alas

Mustang for sale!

2005-08-15 Thread Matthew Small
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-Mustang-Bullitt-2001-Mustang-Bullitt-GT- V8-AWESOME-BEAUTIFUL_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6236QQitemZ4568247695QQrdZ1Q QsspagenameZWDVW Matthew Small Web Developer American City Business Journals 704-973-1045 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Recommended Summer Reading

2005-08-15 Thread Ben Doom
S/F. Humans make an error during FTL travel, and end up Lost In Space. They end up living on an island on a planet ruled by giants who use assassination as a political tool. One human -- the pahdi -- is the cultural and technical liason between the humans and the aliens. Very cool stuff.

Re: Mustang for sale!

2005-08-15 Thread Howie Hamlin
How much is the cf-community discount? g --- On Monday, August 15, 2005 10:16 AM, Matthew Small scribed: --- http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-Mustang-Bullitt-2001-Mustang-Bullitt-GT- V8-AWESOME-BEAUTIFUL_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6236QQitemZ4568247695QQrdZ1Q QsspagenameZWDVW

RE: Mustang for sale!

2005-08-15 Thread Matthew Small
Make me an offer. Really. g Matthew Small -Original Message- From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 10:30 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Mustang for sale! How much is the cf-community discount? g --- On Monday, August 15, 2005 10:16 AM,

Re: Ummm, I think this could be a fun toy NSFW

2005-08-15 Thread Deanna Schneider
You know, not to be rude but I think it has to do with thin people not exactly understanding the mechanics of sex with obese people, as opposed to thinking that they don't _deserve_. (And, I do mean obese as opposed to just heavy set. If you're just heavy set, I would think it would be easy to

Re: Mustang for sale!

2005-08-15 Thread Howie Hamlin
Was j/k. Nice car BTW. I hope you get a good offer on it. Howie --- On Monday, August 15, 2005 10:32 AM, Matthew Small scribed: --- Make me an offer. Really. g Matthew Small ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your

Re: Site design finalised, now for content :)

2005-08-15 Thread Vivec
Oh, no the site will be launched in a modal window, is that the term? Without any Browser interface, just the window, in the center of the screen. Like many flash sites do nowadays. index.htm is the actual 'start' page. As for more content, that stuff would be good. But I think the company has

RE: Mustang for sale!

2005-08-15 Thread Matthew Small
Thanks, I know you were joking. :-) I hope it sells well, there are 12 people watching it at the moment. I can't wait 'til that last hour when the sharks stop circling and go for the kill. Matthew Small -Original Message- From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday,

Re: Site design finalised, now for content :)

2005-08-15 Thread Tony Weeg
is this Carnival, like Carnivale in Brazil? tw On 8/15/05, Vivec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, no the site will be launched in a modal window, is that the term? Without any Browser interface, just the window, in the center of the screen. Like many flash sites do nowadays. index.htm is the

Re: 250 mpg car

2005-08-15 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
Hey... I'm just quoting what I read. :) I don't know what the average killowatt hour costs -- or how that compares to the batteries... I have a hard time believing that charging those things up only costs a quarter. On 8/15/05, S. Isaac Dealey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Iirc the article said

Re: 250 mpg car

2005-08-15 Thread Aaron Rouse
I know, I read the quarter the first time in the article, I just find it hard to believe with my sub $400 monthly electric bills and all. On 8/15/05, S. Isaac Dealey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey... I'm just quoting what I read. :) I don't know what the average killowatt hour costs -- or how

Re: anyone see ...

2005-08-15 Thread Ben Doom
Tony Weeg wrote: wedding crashers? Funny, and a bit over the top. charlie and the chocolate factory? Absolutely great. Worth seeing. --Ben ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by

if you see this, do not touch! - pass the word - giant hogweed

2005-08-15 Thread Paul Ihrig
heard about this on the radio the other day. it is beginning to spread rapidly into Ohio. http://www.mass.gov/agr/pestalert/giant_hogweed.htm http://www.mass.gov/agr/pestalert/giant_hogweed_granville.jpg http://www.mass.gov/agr/pestalert/giant_hogweed_photos.htm will cause 2nd degree burns on

Re: if you see this, do not touch! - pass the word - giant hogweed

2005-08-15 Thread Deanna Schneider
Wow, it looks like Queen Anne's Lace on steroids! On 8/15/05, Paul Ihrig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: heard about this on the radio the other day. it is beginning to spread rapidly into Ohio. http://www.mass.gov/agr/pestalert/giant_hogweed.htm

Re: if you see this, do not touch! - pass the word - giant hogweed

2005-08-15 Thread Paul Ihrig
more info http://dnr.metrokc.gov/wlr/LANDS/weeds/hogweed.htm its sap breaks down the bodys defense aginst uv light. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application

Re: Site design finalised, now for content :)

2005-08-15 Thread Kevin Graeme
Oh. Um...not to be harsh but I hate sites that do that. On 8/15/05, Vivec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, no the site will be launched in a modal window, is that the term? Without any Browser interface, just the window, in the center of the screen. Like many flash sites do nowadays. index.htm

Re: if you see this, do not touch! - pass the word - giant hogweed

2005-08-15 Thread Paul Ihrig
yeh thats the problem people are grabing it all over the palce taking it to plant shows. once you get the sap on you your in serious trouble. this makes poision ivy look like nothing. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your

Re: if you see this, do not touch! - pass the word - giant hogweed

2005-08-15 Thread Jim Campbell
When I was a kid, I had a friend that tried smoking Saran Wrap. He shaped a small wad of it into a cylinder, wrapped it in rolling paper, and proceeded to take a few deep drags off of it. We were doing the backyard camping thing with a couple of other kids, and we gave him all sorts of crap

Re: if you see this, do not touch! - pass the word - giant hogweed

2005-08-15 Thread Kevin Graeme
Scary! On 8/15/05, Paul Ihrig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: heard about this on the radio the other day. it is beginning to spread rapidly into Ohio. http://www.mass.gov/agr/pestalert/giant_hogweed.htm http://www.mass.gov/agr/pestalert/giant_hogweed_granville.jpg

Re: if you see this, do not touch! - pass the word - giant hogweed

2005-08-15 Thread Kevin Graeme
So does it cause you to grow fangs too? On 8/15/05, Paul Ihrig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: its sap breaks down the bodys defense aginst uv light. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket

OMFG funny

2005-08-15 Thread Tony Weeg
http://www.revolutionwebdesign.com/blog/index.cfm?mode=entryentry=BAAC0B7D-C0B9-5948-711543030C5B5F99 for the wrap impaired http://www.antiwrap.com/?683 -- tony Tony Weeg macromedia certified coldfusion mx developer email: tonyweeg [at] gmail [dot] com blog:

Re: 250 mpg car

2005-08-15 Thread Jerry Barnes
On 8/15/05, S. Isaac Dealey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Iirc the article said about a quarter ... I'm guessing they meant per night of having it plugged into an outlet in the garage. I'll have to start reading more thoroughly in the future. J

RE: Attempt at a WDDX replacement... comments?

2005-08-15 Thread Jim Davis
-Original Message- From: Loathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 2:04 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Attempt at a WDDX replacement... comments? The only thing I would disagree with would be this: I could also take the route some have and attempt to

Re: Attempt at a WDDX replacement... comments?

2005-08-15 Thread G
Just out of curiosity, Jim...why is SOAP too complicated for this? We've had great success using SOAP to send and receive XML, and it was pretty simple to implement. Seems like you are trying to do all the work that SOAP has already done for you. -Original Message- From: Loathe

Re: 250 mpg car

2005-08-15 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
On 8/15/05, S. Isaac Dealey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Iirc the article said about a quarter ... I'm guessing they meant per night of having it plugged into an outlet in the garage. I'll have to start reading more thoroughly in the future. Nah, that was a weakness in the article imo... It

RE: Attempt at a WDDX replacement... comments?

2005-08-15 Thread Jim Davis
-Original Message- From: G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 11:37 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Attempt at a WDDX replacement... comments? Just out of curiosity, Jim...why is SOAP too complicated for this? We've had great success using SOAP to send and

Re: OMFG funny

2005-08-15 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
Insult me again! You psychophantic traitor! heh... talk about oxy-morons. :) s. isaac dealey 954.522.6080 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.fusiontap.com http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm

Gaza withdrawal

2005-08-15 Thread G
This Israeli withdrawal from the Gaza strip really has me spellbound. I'm not sure how to feel about it. I can't imagine being told by my government that I had to leave the place i'd lived my entire life. What are people's thoughts on this? Is this just another case of the Jewish people

Re: Gaza withdrawal

2005-08-15 Thread Tony Weeg
maybe its like foreign people coming to your homeland and taking over? kinda like we did to the american indians? too bad we killed most of them off or they could enjoy the same kind of retribution? tw On 8/15/05, G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This Israeli withdrawal from the Gaza strip really

RE: Attempt at a WDDX replacement... comments?

2005-08-15 Thread Jim Davis
-Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:36 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Attempt at a WDDX replacement... comments? I'd recommend dropping the fields attribute of your data tag... use a name, varname or variable

Re: if you see this, do not touch! - pass the word - giant hogweed

2005-08-15 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
heard about this on the radio the other day. it is beginning to spread rapidly into Ohio. http://www.mass.gov/agr/pestalert/giant_hogweed.htm http://www.mass.gov/agr/pestalert/giant_hogweed_granville. jpg http://www.mass.gov/agr/pestalert/giant_hogweed_photos.htm will cause 2nd degree

RE: if you see this, do not touch! - pass the word - giant hogweed

2005-08-15 Thread Jim Davis
-Original Message- From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 11:21 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: if you see this, do not touch! - pass the word - giant hogweed So does it cause you to grow fangs too? Yes... but shudder not in your mouth... Jim

Re: Gaza withdrawal

2005-08-15 Thread Michael Dinowitz
You mean the ethnic cleansing of an area of a people who live there? I thought that was illegal according to the UN. I guess not when the people are Jews. Of course, being that the territory is in dispute, it makes things murky enough that you can get away with it. But peace? I don't think so.

Re: Gaza withdrawal

2005-08-15 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Foreign people have always come to Israel to take it from the Jews. Greeks, Romans, Assyrians, Egyptians, the list goes on. We come back and the first thing that happens is that we're attacked by just about every Arab country. They tried to kill us and we're still here. We offer peace for

RE: Attempt at a WDDX replacement... comments?

2005-08-15 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
My first pass had things like that... but when getting into recordsets (which I'm still back and forth on) things started breaking down. If I do that as objects of arrays (as I did in the message) then this method works well. However if I do them as collections of records (rows) then I'm

Re: Gaza withdrawal

2005-08-15 Thread Larry C. Lyons
You mean ethnic cleansing like the pull out from the settlements that were in the areas now controlled by Egypt. larry On 8/15/05, Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mean the ethnic cleansing of an area of a people who live there? I thought that was illegal according to the UN. I

RE: Gaza withdrawal

2005-08-15 Thread SStewart
Hey, if they can't have the land back I'm sure their more than willing to help the white man part with his money. sas Scott A. Stewart, Web Application Developer Engineering Consulting Services, Ltd. (ECS) 14026 Thunderbolt Place, Suite 300 Chantilly, VA 20151 Phone: (703) 995-1737 Fax:

Re: Gaza withdrawal

2005-08-15 Thread Tony Weeg
wasnt the land originally settled by arabian people? and then during the holocaust the jew's left germany and russia for what they considered their holy land?? or am i wayyy off? tw On 8/15/05, Larry C. Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mean ethnic cleansing like the pull out from the

RE: if you see this, do not touch! - pass the word - giant hogweed

2005-08-15 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
-Original Message- From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 11:21 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: if you see this, do not touch! - pass the word - giant hogweed So does it cause you to grow fangs too? Yes... but shudder not in your mouth...

Re: Gaza withdrawal

2005-08-15 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
wasnt the land originally settled by arabian people? and then during the holocaust the jew's left germany and russiafor what they considered their holy land?? or am i wayyy off? ummm... I'm sure Mike can answer this better, but ... Have you never heard any bible stories involving

Re: Gaza withdrawal

2005-08-15 Thread Howie Hamlin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel --- On Monday, August 15, 2005 1:20 PM, Tony Weeg scribed: --- wasnt the land originally settled by arabian people? and then during the holocaust the jew's left germany and russia for what they considered their holy land?? or am i wayyy off? tw

Re: Gaza withdrawal

2005-08-15 Thread Tony Weeg
ahhh ok. ive always been dumb on this topic. ill run now. On 8/15/05, S. Isaac Dealey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wasnt the land originally settled by arabian people? and then during the holocaust the jew's left germany and russiafor what they considered their holy land?? or am i wayyy

Razing settlements

2005-08-15 Thread Howie Hamlin
From the it can only happen in the Middle East chronicles... I heard that the Israeli army is going to raze all of the Jewish homes in the Gaza settlements once they are vacated. Now, I don't know what the reasoning is behind this (couldn't find any info on news.google.com) but in the grand

Re: Razing settlements

2005-08-15 Thread Jerry Johnson
Why wouldn't they do this? I would do this. It's called spite, and is a very handy emotion. On 8/15/05, Howie Hamlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From the it can only happen in the Middle East chronicles... I heard that the Israeli army is going to raze all of the Jewish homes in the Gaza

Re: Gaza withdrawal

2005-08-15 Thread Deanna Schneider
See here's where I get confused: The importance of the Land of Israel is not limited to Judaism; it is also the place where Christianity was born, and contains many locations of great spiritual significance to Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. So, I'm a bit at a loss as to why one of those

Re: Gaza withdrawal

2005-08-15 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Basically and look what that caused. No peace but instead an area loaded with weapons smuggling, a cold war with Egypt and the current problem with Gaza. As a side note, there was an Israeli political party who's basis was the transfer of Arabs from Israel. It was made illegal. Now those who

Re: Gaza withdrawal

2005-08-15 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Before there was an Islam, there were Jews in Israel. Before there was a Christianity, there were Jews in Israel (without those Jews there would be no Christianity). When Assyria was building pyramids of skulls to advertise their expertise, there were Jews in Israel. Yeh, we've been there a

RE: Razing settlements

2005-08-15 Thread Jeff Garza
Many of the settlers were razing their own homes as they moved out of them anyway... and I agree that it makes sense to leave the Palestinians nothing... I'd lay down a layer of salt as well... Personally, I don't think this pull out will do anything to stop the violence between Israel and

RE: Gaza withdrawal

2005-08-15 Thread Nick McClure
You talking Pre Moses? -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:20 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Gaza withdrawal wasnt the land originally settled by arabian people? and then during the holocaust the jew's left germany and

Re: Gaza withdrawal

2005-08-15 Thread Jerry Johnson
Naw, they're transferring the Jews in. They also redefined what out meant. On 8/15/05, Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Basically and look what that caused. No peace but instead an area loaded with weapons smuggling, a cold war with Egypt and the current problem with Gaza. As a

Re: Razing settlements

2005-08-15 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Jerry Johnson wrote: Why wouldn't they do this? I would do this. It's called spite, and is a very handy emotion. Settlers I can understand. But an army isn't supposed have emotions. Jochem ~| Now there’s a better way to

Re: Razing settlements

2005-08-15 Thread Michael Dinowitz
From the it can only happen in the Middle East - They are going to blow up the synagogues rather than give them over and dig up the graveyards. No where else on the entire earth has this been done, but in Israel. There are Jewish graveyards in Iran. There are Jewish graveyards in Yemen. There

Re: Gaza withdrawal

2005-08-15 Thread Michael Dinowitz
They already defined what in and out was. Transferring them 'out' of Gaza is just giving the Palestinians more room to launch missiles (as they have been non-stop for months now, even last night). Naw, they're transferring the Jews in. They also redefined what out meant. On 8/15/05,

RE: Gaza withdrawal

2005-08-15 Thread Matthew Small
I don't quite understand the whole deal: - Who occupied the land before Israel was created? I mean RIGHT before Israel was created, not in the BC? - Were the Palestinians moved from the Gaza Strip in order to create Israel? Matthew Small

Re: Gaza withdrawal

2005-08-15 Thread Gruss Gott
Brian wrote: This Israeli withdrawal from the Gaza strip really has me spellbound. Forgetting the emotions of those being uprooted, this is the best strategic move given the modern considerations. However we feel about it personally, I think US foreign policy on Israel v Palestinians should be

Re: Razing settlements

2005-08-15 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Armies have emotions which is why there are many soldiers who are disobeying Sharon's orders. As for the destruction, it's not spite. It's part of a pre-defined agreement on what will happen to the homes. You can look it up on http://www.jewslikenews.com or almost any news site. Jerry

Re: Gaza withdrawal

2005-08-15 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Jews and Arabs. There have always been Jews in Israel and more came during the time of WW2 (before and after). Look at the Rothschild land ownership bills and you'll see huge swaths of land being bought. Look at the writings of people like mark twain and you'll see how desolate the land once

Re: Gaza withdrawal

2005-08-15 Thread Jochem van Dieten
G wrote: This Israeli withdrawal from the Gaza strip really has me spellbound. I'm not sure how to feel about it. I can't imagine being told by my government that I had to leave the place i'd lived my entire life. What are people's thoughts on this? Is this just another case of the

Re: Gaza withdrawal

2005-08-15 Thread Gruss Gott
Michael wrote: Before there was an Islam, there were Jews in Israel. The best way to consider this is to think of where your house is located and which Native American tribe called that their hunting ground. The question is, do those Native Americans have a legitimate claim on your house and

Re: Gaza withdrawal

2005-08-15 Thread Howie Hamlin
--- On Monday, August 15, 2005 1:42 PM, Deanna Schneider scribed: --- See here's where I get confused: The importance of the Land of Israel is not limited to Judaism; it is also the place where Christianity was born, and contains many locations of great spiritual significance to Judaism,

Re: Razing settlements

2005-08-15 Thread Gruss Gott
Howie wrote: I heard that the Israeli army is going to raze all of the Jewish homes I read that the Palestinians requested this. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application

Re: Razing settlements

2005-08-15 Thread Howie Hamlin
Thanks for the insight - I couldn't find this information anywhere... Howie --- On Monday, August 15, 2005 1:53 PM, Michael Dinowitz scribed: --- From the it can only happen in the Middle East - They are going to blow up the synagogues rather than give them over and dig up the graveyards. No

Re: Gaza withdrawal

2005-08-15 Thread Judith Dinowitz
ahhh ok. ive always been dumb on this topic. ill run now. For an interesting essay on the disengagement from the perspective of a settler: http://www.arutzsheva.com/article.php3?id=5437 Judith ~| Discover CFTicket - The

Re: Gaza withdrawal

2005-08-15 Thread Jerry Johnson
I mostly agree with this, but what if you don't have two rational, reasonable sides to work with? What if one side is trying its best, and the other side is insane and corrupt? I don't think the Palestinian leadership is something we can or should work with at this time. They are icky. They need

Re: Gaza withdrawal

2005-08-15 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Yes, that's the propaganda that's been pushed. Israel is just colonization. The only Jewish country in the world is nothing but a foreign entity in the middle east. Jews don't deserve their ancestral homeland. Sorry, na-ah. The land was ours. It is ours and while we are willing to give some of

Re: Razing settlements

2005-08-15 Thread Michael Dinowitz
http://arutzsheva.com/news.php3?id=87761 (IsraelNN.com) The IDF is planning on blowing up synagogues in Gush Katif after completing the expulsion of its Jewish residents. IDF officials believe that blowing up the synagogues would be better than bulldozing them to the ground.

Re: Razing settlements

2005-08-15 Thread Howie Hamlin
Is there a more traditional way to raze an old synagogue? For example - say there is a small synagogue in New York and it is determined that the community would be better served if it were removed and replaced with a larger one. Wouldn't the old one be bulldozed? Howie --- On Monday, August

Re: Gaza withdrawal

2005-08-15 Thread Gruss Gott
Jerry wrote: I mostly agree with this, but what if you don't have two rational, reasonable sides to work with? You've got to establish metrics and milestones to drag things in a direction you want, even if they are miniscule. At the same time you've got to gather data about both parties that

Re: Razing settlements

2005-08-15 Thread Michael Dinowitz
But we're not talking of removing to rebuild but removing to make the land judenreit - free of Jews. There are synagogues still in Arab countries where there are no Jews (most Jews were massacred or expelled in '48). Go to Spain where there was an entire inquisition and you can still find

Re: Gaza withdrawal

2005-08-15 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Michael Dinowitz wrote: Yes, that's the propaganda that's been pushed. Israel is just colonization. Please don't try to put words in my mouth and then attack those words. My position is that the civilian use of the occupied territories is colonization. I do not question the legitimacy of the

Re: Gaza withdrawal

2005-08-15 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Except when the population has been poisoned for years with nothing but hate. Then who do you depend on? There was an interview with a kid (yes, a kid) who was captured before he could blow himself up and when in Jail he said he wants to be a martyr (suicide murderer) and that was it. No

Re: Gaza withdrawal

2005-08-15 Thread Judith Dinowitz
The problem here is terminology. It's not occupied; it's disputed. It's always been disputed. There's never been a single UN resolution saying that this is Palestine. It's been owned by Egypt and by Israel. There's never been a country there. It's a territory whose ownership is in dispute. To

Re: Razing settlements

2005-08-15 Thread Tony Weeg
i think armies SHOULD have emotions... just not at the bargaining table. tw Settlers I can understand. But an army isn't supposed have emotions. Jochem ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer

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