Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Robert Munn
I agree, innovation comes from people from all walks of life. Otherwise, that argument, though compelling, misses the point. As a country, we should encourage innovative people to put their lives into building businesses and professions in order to grow the economy for everyone. Why should we then

Re: All your data is belong (was: Re: Google Chrome)

2008-09-05 Thread denstar
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 10:46 PM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 6:20 PM, denstar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Sam wrote: >>> Why are you blaming the Government for crap Google is doing? If they >>> didn't want to store this info for some odd

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread denstar
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 10:44 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: >> Denny wrote: >> On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Robert Munn wrote: >> >>> Iraq was a horrible place before we ever got involved. >> >> Doesn't sound very conservative to me. > > Ah, Denny, ya can't listen to Robert; he's the official mouth

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Beth In Alaska
> no, I really don't actually. Strip out the emotional language from > your argument, and essentially we have spent all these billions to > remove Saddam Hussein, destroy the infrastructure, and put someone > else in power. I grant you that Saddam killed some Iraqis. And so have > the people curren

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Beth In Alaska
> Again with the emotional arguments. This isn't an emotional argument. Someone here said that people who make 250,000 a year work VERY HARD to make it. i'll argue that some of the richest people in the country don't work hard at all. > No, I don't think really rich people necessarily work har

Re: Experience vs Ability

2008-09-05 Thread Sam
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 4:57 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Sam wrote: >> WSJ 2005 scholar poll >> > > The question was what to you think, not the WSJ. I'm an over achiever > Also I believe that Lincoln was in a militia and was appointed. Also > Lincoln was never in any battle nor t

Re: All your data is belong (was: Re: Google Chrome)

2008-09-05 Thread Sam
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 6:20 PM, denstar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Sam wrote: >> Why are you blaming the Government for crap Google is doing? If they >> didn't want to store this info for some odd reason the g-men wouldn't >> have access to it. > > Dude, there are

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread denstar
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 10:36 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: >> Beth wrote: >>> Iraq is an investment, not a giveaway. We are buying freedom for the >>> people of Iraq and security for ourselves with our investment. >> >> wow, this is great propaganda. I dont' buy it but maybe you should be a >> campaign ma

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Robert Munn
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 9:44 PM, Gruss wrote: > Ah, Denny, ya can't listen to Robert; he's the official mouthpiece of > McCain campaign children's divison. and Gruss is the mouthpiece of the Obama poopy pants division ~| Adobe®

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Gruss Gott
> Denny wrote: > On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > >> Iraq was a horrible place before we ever got involved. > > Doesn't sound very conservative to me. > Ah, Denny, ya can't listen to Robert; he's the official mouthpiece of McCain campaign children's divison.

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread denstar
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > Iraq was a horrible place before we ever got involved. So now our mission, should we choose to accept it, is to rid the world of all the monsters. That was the first, and worst, of them, which is why we started there. Didn't old Adams sa

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Gruss Gott
> Beth wrote: >> Iraq is an investment, not a giveaway. We are buying freedom for the >> people of Iraq and security for ourselves with our investment. > > wow, this is great propaganda. I dont' buy it but maybe you should be a > campaign manager. > Yeah, Robert, where are those investment number

Re: Palin says her 17 year old daughter *is* pregnant

2008-09-05 Thread denstar
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 8:51 PM, Dana wrote: > I guess I don't think I know enough to make that judgment. Ok, I'll give you that I'm throwing stones. *Sorry Rob, I was wrong!* And disseminating or something like that. disingenuous. Maybe the situation they have is perfect for them, and works jus

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Dana
er are now *yelling* stupid autocomplete. On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 10:28 PM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > well, I suppose if you are shi'ite it is better. If you are sunni it > is worse. It still looks to me like we just picked a side and are now > yellow about the moral superiority of that si

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Dana
well, I suppose if you are shi'ite it is better. If you are sunni it is worse. It still looks to me like we just picked a side and are now yellow about the moral superiority of that side, as opposed to the side we were touting the moral superiority of before. .Overall not worth a few billion,

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Robert Munn
we'll just have to agree to disagree about that On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Dana wrote: > my point would be that it is NOT better and may well be worse. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic r

Re: Question About McCain

2008-09-05 Thread Robert Munn
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 7:21 PM, Gruss wrote: > Question > - > Given McCain has >- Been in the Senate for 25+ years, >- Had his own party kick his ass 8 years ago >- Not been popular in his party 8 months ago But is very popular now. Times change. >- Voted with Bush 95

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Dana
my point would be that it is NOT better and may well be worse. On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Unless you were a cute young woman and happened to get pulled off the > street, raped and murdered by Uday. Or unless you were a Kurd and you > got gassed for pr

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Robert Munn
Unless you were a cute young woman and happened to get pulled off the street, raped and murdered by Uday. Or unless you were a Kurd and you got gassed for protesting government action against your village. Or unless you were a Shiite and you got butchered like cattle for any convenient reason...

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Robert Munn
remind me never to make you chief of the tribe. On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 9:01 PM, Dana wrote: > Based on the ability to walk down the street unhindered -- my own > personal test of the safety of a place -- we have made the life of the > average Iraqi somewhat worse. We may well be on the way to re

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Dana
no, I really don't actually. Strip out the emotional language from your argument, and essentially we have spent all these billions to remove Saddam Hussein, destroy the infrastructure, and put someone else in power. I grant you that Saddam killed some Iraqis. And so have the people currently in pow

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Robert Munn
oh, is that insider information from the campaign? :-P n Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 7:03 PM, Gruss wrote: > > Yes Obama, who teaches at the most conservative of the T5 law schools, > is of course not just socialist but also has poopy pants. ~~~

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Robert Munn
Again with the emotional arguments. No, I don't think really rich people necessarily work harder than really poor people, but we're not talking about really rich people, we're talking about a class of people called the "working rich", people who have made their own money, largely through owning a

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Robert Munn
i don't need to link to anything. I would have thought the "how we are buying freedom for the Iraqi people" a rather straightforward thing- we have spent American lives and American dollars to rid them of a murderous dictator who killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis in a 35+ year reign of terror.

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Beth In Alaska
- Original Message - From: "Gruss Gott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 4:31 PM Subject: Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts >> Beth wrote: >> I haven 't noticed that people who make more than 250,000 per year work >> any >> harder than

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Beth In Alaska
> It's Robin Hood economics. Steal for the rich and give to the poor. > We know that tax breaks work and that's why the 2001 recession was so > short. If we penalize the wealthy they won't take the risks. "stealing " and taxation are a little different in my mind and thats a very inflammatory te

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Dana
yes, that would be one of the more nuanced categories. And that would include many people with "good" jobs. On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 8:53 PM, Beth In Alaska <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And what about the working poor in America - we have a whole new set of hard > working people who simply cannot af

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Dana
please explain how we are buying either freedom for the Iraqi people or security for ourselves.With links, please :) On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 8:50 PM, Beth In Alaska <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Iraq is an investment, not a giveaway. We are buying freedom for the >> people of Iraq and security for

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Beth In Alaska
And what about the working poor in America - we have a whole new set of hard working people who simply cannot afford healthcare if they want to eat? - Original Message - From: "Dana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 12:58 PM Subject: Re: Obama vs M

Re: Palin says her 17 year old daughter *is* pregnant

2008-09-05 Thread Dana
I guess I don't think I know enough to make that judgment. And I question whether you do either. I am SO TIRED of people who think other people are bad parents because they work, because they don't work, because grandma babysits, because the teenager watches the baby, because the kid goes to school

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Beth In Alaska
> Iraq is an investment, not a giveaway. We are buying freedom for the > people of Iraq and security for ourselves with our investment. wow, this is great propaganda. I dont' buy it but maybe you should be a campaign manager. ~~~

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Dana
links please On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Like I said, I am all in favor of helping people who need help. I have > a problem giving $1,000 a year to a semi-employed young adult who is > perfectly capable of working a regular job but chooses not to. T

Re: My Government Affairs Coordinator - a Sarah Palin supporter but...

2008-09-05 Thread Dana Tierney
I have not specifically researched this but his acceptance speech did say he would be cutting taxes for 95% of Americans. Given some other things I have seen here in the last day or so I'd say that if your income is less than $250,000 a year your taxes will go down. According to the calculator M

Question About McCain

2008-09-05 Thread Gruss Gott
I'm curious if someone can explain the McCain argument - but please answer with a few caveats: * This is an honest question, the expectation is an honest answer * No name calling or school yard accusations * In fact, no mention of Obama or anyone other than McCain * Please no O'Reilly/Rush/Fox New

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Gruss Gott
> Denny wrote: > Socialist? > Yes Obama, who teaches at the most conservative of the T5 law schools, is of course not just socialist but also has poopy pants. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic

Re: Experience vs Ability

2008-09-05 Thread Gruss Gott
> LL wrote: > Actually he came under fire during the Battle of Ft. Stevens Yeah but that was as President, right? My point was that Lincoln was - as far as I've read - was kind of like a volunteer firefighter. Now granted my knowledge is from 25 years ago and I'm too lazy to look anything else u

Re: any thing but politics... maybe a joke.. or drugs..

2008-09-05 Thread Casey Dougall
This will also make you laugh at the end http://www.gcfl.net/archive.php?funny=20060714 On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 7:07 PM, morchella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > any one got a funny?i sure as shit could use some humor right about now.. > or some green.. > > > ~~

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread denstar
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Loathe wrote: > McCain = Safe I am *s* tired of trading Freedom (which is inherently risky) for Safety (which is at best, an illusion). We need real change. Not this flip-flop type change. "Nothing is wrong, but I'm going to change the stuff that's wrong

Re: any thing but politics... maybe a joke.. or drugs..

2008-09-05 Thread Casey Dougall
A blonde walks into a bank in New York City and asks for the loan officer. She says she's going to Europe on business for two weeks and needs to borrow $5,000. The bank officer says the bank will need some kind of security for the loan, so the blonde hands over the keys to a new Mercedes Benz SL

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread denstar
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 12:45 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Gruss wrote: >>> Erika wrote: >>> I'm just trying to figure out which one has the economy's best interests at >>> heart and that essentially boils down to taxes. > > Obama is a socialist, keep that in mind. His u

Re: Experience vs Ability

2008-09-05 Thread Larry Lyons
>> Sam wrote: >> WSJ 2005 scholar poll >> > >The question was what to you think, not the WSJ. > >Also I believe that Lincoln was in a militia and was appointed. Also >Lincoln was never in any battle nor took part in any armed skirmish as >far as I know. Actually he came under fire during the Batt

Re: Why I have decided to vote McCain/Palin

2008-09-05 Thread denstar
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 8:07 AM, J.J. Merrick wrote: > I see someone that is vindictive and a cutthroat. When she doesn't get > her way she goes out of her way to put you on her enemy list. > > Read: > http://my2bucks.wordpress.com/2008/09/02/a-letter-from-someone-who-has-known-sarah-palin-si

Re: All your data is belong (was: Re: Google Chrome)

2008-09-05 Thread denstar
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 7:40 PM, Adam Churvis wrote: > You're misreading me, or I'm not communicating effectively, or a little bit > of both. I was basically agreeing with you, but ranting at the same time, sorry. > I'm saying basically what you're saying, except that they aren't interested > in t

Re: All your data is belong (was: Re: Google Chrome)

2008-09-05 Thread denstar
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Sam wrote: > Why are you blaming the Government for crap Google is doing? If they > didn't want to store this info for some odd reason the g-men wouldn't > have access to it. Dude, there are laws. It ain't up to google. Why you defending a government that's spying

Re: Palin is Speaking!

2008-09-05 Thread denstar
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Erika L. Walker wrote: > This whole "experience" thing is irking me. In Biden's case, I think it's pretty cool. We could use a good diplomat, you know? And what about Jim's comments? His data is based on what he's experienced so far. I tend to agree with him.

Re: Palin says her 17 year old daughter *is* pregnant

2008-09-05 Thread denstar
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 7:10 PM, Beth In Alaska wrote: >> Do people "make do" all the fscking time? Sure! It's what we do. Get >> by. >> >> But if you think that it's *optimal*, you're nuttier than I am. > > Yes - people do the BEST JOB THEY CAN as parents. > But Sarah and Todd Palin aren't.

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Gruss Gott
> Beth wrote: > I haven 't noticed that people who make more than 250,000 per year work any > harder than poor peoople. > Well, just BSing here, but I have. For example, most people making, say, 50k/yr in a major city probably put in 40, maybe 50, hours per week. People making, say, $150k/yr or

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Beth In Alaska
> That is old-school, command and control socialism. Obama is pursuing a > policy of new-school soft socialism, but debating semantics just > dodges the issue: Obama will take huge amounts of money from people > who work very hard and give it to people who don't necessarily do > anything. So you t

Re: Experience vs Ability

2008-09-05 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > WSJ 2005 scholar poll > The question was what to you think, not the WSJ. Also I believe that Lincoln was in a militia and was appointed. Also Lincoln was never in any battle nor took part in any armed skirmish as far as I know.

Re: Experience vs Ability

2008-09-05 Thread Sam
On 9/5/08, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Since GG's crying and I have time I'll answer. > Who would you say is the best commander in chief we've had? How much military > experience did he have? WSJ 2005 scholar poll George Washington - General of the Armies - Commander in Chief of Continent

Re: any thing but politics... maybe a joke.. or drugs..

2008-09-05 Thread Maureen
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 4:07 PM, morchella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > any one got a funny?i sure as shit could use some humor right about now.. > or some green.. Colonoscopies are no joke, but these comments during the exam were quite humorous. A physician claimed that the following are actua

any thing but politics... maybe a joke.. or drugs..

2008-09-05 Thread morchella
any one got a funny?i sure as shit could use some humor right about now.. or some green.. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203

Re: Experience vs Ability

2008-09-05 Thread Maureen
Because the rhetoric and debate aren't about accomplishments, they're about experience. I didn't frame the topic. The rhetoric is that McCain's military experience would make him a better president. So my question is, for example, was Grant a better president that Lincoln? The rhetoric states th

Re: Experience vs Ability

2008-09-05 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > Another game. > Why not just list accomplishments? > I can't bear Sam's cowardly non-answer so I'll take a shot - just off the top of my head mind you: >> Who would you say is the best commander in chief we've had? How much >> military experience did he have? I think you have to

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > Iraq is an investment, not a giveaway. Great to hear! Please tell me the ROI, NPV, and maturity date. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial ht

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Gruss Gott
> tBone wrote: > How so? > Obama has both lived the American dream and dedicated the majority of his life to service to his fellow American. For you to slander his service is to slander Americans and the American spirit brotherhood. ~~~

Re: My Government Affairs Coordinator - a Sarah Palin supporter but...

2008-09-05 Thread Gruss Gott
> Erika wrote: > Thank you dana! Great stuff and I appreciate your viewpoint. What about > taxation issues? > Vote Democrat for President and Republican for Congress. You'll do fine. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the mos

Re: SPEECH FIGHT!

2008-09-05 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > Or Obama- raise taxes on those people like mad, thus GUARANTEEING that > they will take their money and leave the country. > Well, if we're speaking honestly and with common sense - and I'm not even sure that's possible any longer but I'll give it a shot - you're right. Basicall

Re: Diebold accidentally leaks election 2008 results

2008-09-05 Thread Vivec
True? 2008/9/3 G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Amusing: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF5Kdm4Eu6w&feature=related ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http:

Re: Experience vs Ability

2008-09-05 Thread Sam
Another game. Why not just list accomplishments? On 8/25/08, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Who would you say is the best commander in chief we've had? How much > military experience did he have? > > Who was the president with the best military credentials? How good a > president was he?

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Sam
On 9/5/08, Ian Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But you seem to be missing the main point that your "right leaning > source", the Tax Foundation arguments are entirely built using the "left > leaning" Tax Policy Center's research and data. So I am unclear on how > this is supposed to balance a

Diebold accidentally leaks election 2008 results

2008-09-05 Thread G Money
Amusing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF5Kdm4Eu6w&feature=related -- The voices that control me from inside my head Said that I shouldn't kill you yet ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic rel

Experience vs Ability

2008-09-05 Thread Maureen
Who would you say is the best commander in chief we've had? How much military experience did he have? Who was the president with the best military credentials? How good a president was he? Which president had the most governmental experience? How good a president was he? Who would you classif

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Robert Munn
Like I said, I am all in favor of helping people who need help. I have a problem giving $1,000 a year to a semi-employed young adult who is perfectly capable of working a regular job but chooses not to. That is what Obama's plan will do. On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Dana wrote: > But since yo

Re: McCain picks Sarah Palin, Governor of Alaska, as VP

2008-09-05 Thread Casey Dougall
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > False alarm: > > http://dallasmorningviewsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/09/who-dressed-sar.html > > On 9/5/08, Scott Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > TPIWWP > > > > Sam wrote: > > > Did you see how much of that rack was sho

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Ian Skinner
Robert Munn wrote: > Ian neglected to mention that the top earners already pay the VAST > majority of all income taxes. No, Ian wasn't contrasting the plans, rather pointing out that saying source B is better then source A is rather silly and shows poor logich when source B is exclusively using

Re: McCain picks Sarah Palin, Governor of Alaska, as VP

2008-09-05 Thread Sam
False alarm: http://dallasmorningviewsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/09/who-dressed-sar.html On 9/5/08, Scott Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > TPIWWP > > Sam wrote: > > Did you see how much of that rack was showing last night? > > Very unprofessional, but very nice :) > > > > On 8/29/08, Ch

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Ian Skinner
Sam wrote: > Can you explain tha again, seems to be key words missing or it's time > for happy hour. Yes, the was an unfinished thought in my invitation to debate the differences between the two proposed tax plans if anybody wants to do that. But you seem to be missing the main point that your "r

Re: My Government Affairs Coordinator - a Sarah Palin supporter but...

2008-09-05 Thread Erika L. Walker
Thank you dana! Great stuff and I appreciate your viewpoint. What about taxation issues? On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I know you do not like a lot of argument and I don't have a lot of > time so I will just throw out the following thoughts, and you can make >

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Dana
I guess I am more worried about getting them food than improving their moral fiber. I specifically mention children since you really can't argue that they should get a job. If a kid is hungry that is a problem, sorry. Other people may need help but the categories get more nuanced there. But since

Re: McCain picks Sarah Palin, Governor of Alaska, as VP

2008-09-05 Thread Scott Stewart
TPIWWP Sam wrote: > Did you see how much of that rack was showing last night? > Very unprofessional, but very nice :) > > On 8/29/08, Charlie Griefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> i'd prefer to think it was because of her rack. >> > > ~~~

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Robert Munn
Ian neglected to mention that the top earners already pay the VAST majority of all income taxes, and under McCain's plan, they will still pay the vast majority of income taxes. On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Sam wrote: > Can you explain tha again, seems to be key words missing or it's time > for

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Robert Munn
Here we go again with the poor children. The emotional argument for "helping the poor children" falls flat when you look at the history of welfare and what it did to those poor children. It didn't make them wealthier. It didn't make them healthier. In fact, it encouraged them to stay in entrenched

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Sam
Can you explain tha again, seems to be key words missing or it's time for happy hour. On 9/5/08, Ian Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Now if one wants to debate while it is bad to shift that top 1% tax > burden to, fine lets discuss that and contrast that discussion with the > opposite shift

Re: SPEECH FIGHT!

2008-09-05 Thread Robert Munn
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Gruss wrote: >> Billy wrote: >> McCain: Cut taxes on middle class people making between $1 million and $5 >> million per year. > > YES! > > That way people can take their tax savings and move offshore. Or Obama- raise taxes on those people like mad, thus GUARANTEEI

Re: Speaking of Travel - Hong Kong

2008-09-05 Thread Erika L. Walker
Now that's a great idea! I can come spend the day with you - and the evening pigging out at Adam's ... On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > > Oh, I'll take some photos. And you should come down to Atlanta > sometime anyways. Come check out the office an

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Ian Skinner
Sam wrote: > Taxpolicycenter is from the left leaning Brookings and Urban Institutes. > > Let's be balanced and look at a right leaning source: > http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/23319.html Sam; Since we have to balance the left leaning Tax Policy Center with the supposedly right l

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Dana
please provide a cost-benefit analysis for Iraq. Remember to include the externalities. On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Iraq is an investment, not a giveaway. We are buying freedom for the > people of Iraq and security for ourselves with our investment. Is

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Dana
ok so let me see if I have this straight. Giving money to poor children = bad. Giving money to rich corporations = good. I'm not talking about customers and you know it :) This is a discussion of government spending. On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That w

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Robert Munn
Iraq is an investment, not a giveaway. We are buying freedom for the people of Iraq and security for ourselves with our investment. Is the cost high? Was the cost of destroying- and then re-building- the economies of Japan and Germany too high? No way. We demonstrated good faith toward people who o

Re: McCain picks Sarah Palin, Governor of Alaska, as VP

2008-09-05 Thread Sam
Did you see how much of that rack was showing last night? Very unprofessional, but very nice :) On 8/29/08, Charlie Griefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > i'd prefer to think it was because of her rack. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 so

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Robert Munn
That would be customers - filling their gas tanks. The oil companies are the ones earning the money. They get tax breaks for re-investing money earned into new exploration and production. Or perhaps you would prefer that they be taxed to death and make no re-investment in infrastructure, and than

Re: SPEECH FIGHT!

2008-09-05 Thread Sam
Take Dana and Mo with you please :P On 9/5/08, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think the best place to watch the house of cards collapse is > probably somewhere in the Swedish lake country. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 softw

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Sam
Taxpolicycenter is from the left leaning Brookings and Urban Institutes. Let's be balanced and look at a right leaning source: http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/23319.html On 9/5/08, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Updates of tax plans by both candidates: > > http://taxpolicycen

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Robert Munn
That is old-school, command and control socialism. Obama is pursuing a policy of new-school soft socialism, but debating semantics just dodges the issue: Obama will take huge amounts of money from people who work very hard and give it to people who don't necessarily do anything. That, my friends,

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Loathe
How so? Gruss Gott wrote: >> tBone wrote: >> I don't agree that they are both patriots. I think Barry has shown he >> is not a patriot through his action, his associations, even his own words. >> > > So have you then. > > ~|

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Loathe
Iraq is a national security issue. Thats covered in the constitution. Yes, I think we have gone way to far over towards socialism. I hate it. I want to cut fat from our government like you wouldn't believe. I'd probably only leave 10% of our current government. Beth Fleischer wrote: >> Wha

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Vivec
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Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Maureen
McCain also leads the Senate in number of votes missed. 63% this session alone. So you need to subtract the days he wasn't there from the days the Senate met to get the actual number. http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/senate/vote-missers/ Of course, Obama is near the top of the li

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Jerry Johnson
I have to say at times, Loathe, I laugh at you as ridiculous. On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't agree that they are both patriots. I think Barry has shown he > is not a patriot through his action, his associations, even his own words. > ~~

Re: SPEECH FIGHT!

2008-09-05 Thread Gruss Gott
> Billy wrote: > McCain: Cut taxes on middle class people making between $1 million and $5 > million per year. YES! That way people can take their tax savings and move offshore. Eventually the war shock, draft, terrorist attacks, healthcare meltdown, retirement bankruptcy, and currency crash wil

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Gruss Gott
> tBone wrote: > I don't agree that they are both patriots. I think Barry has shown he > is not a patriot through his action, his associations, even his own words. > So have you then. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the mo

RE: SPEECH FIGHT!

2008-09-05 Thread Billy Cox
> Round 1: Obama vs. Palin. > The rules are simple: > * you must write your own speech > * Topic: the Russo-Georgian conflict and what to do about > * Deadline: deliver it at 8am! Of the SAME DAY! Obama: Deconstruct the ethnic tensions in South Ossetia and urge caution when operatin

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Beth Fleischer
> what do you call someone that wants to take money from people that > earn it and give it to oil companies? ROFLMAO ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Beth Fleischer
> What do you call someone that wants to take money from people that earn > it and give it to other people? Our government does that now both the feds and the states. Are we a socialist country? > Redistribution of wealth is not governments place or business. As far > as I'm concerned the eco

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Beth Fleischer
oooh this is a great resource Maureen - Original Message - From: "Maureen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 11:24 AM Subject: Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts > Updates of tax plans by both candidates: > > http://taxpolicycenter.org/

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Beth Fleischer
- Original Message - From: "Robert Munn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 11:02 AM Subject: Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts > On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Beth wrote: > >> That is not what socialism is, for goodness sake. He's no

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Maureen
A politician? Seriously, how does McCain's tax plan not do exactly the same, only aimed at a different economic strata? So is he also a socialist? How about George Bush Sr, with his tax increases after stating in his campaign "no new taxes". Was he a socialist? Can't have it both ways. On Fr

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Dana
what do you call someone that wants to take money from people that earn it and give it to oil companies? On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ok, > > What do you call someone that wants to take money from people that earn > it and give it to other people? > > Redistr

Re: Obama vs McCain - a pro/con list of sorts

2008-09-05 Thread Loathe
Ok, What do you call someone that wants to take money from people that earn it and give it to other people? Redistribution of wealth is not governments place or business. As far as I'm concerned the economy shouldn't be the business of government. Beth Fleischer wrote: > - Original Messag

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