Re: catch phrase of the day

2011-02-08 Thread Ras Tafari
butter On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 10:22 PM, Casey Dougall wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 8:23 PM, Medic wrote: > >> >> +infinity >> >> On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Michael Dinowitz < >> mdino...@houseoffusion.com >> > wrote: >> >> > >> > How many catch phrases can you identify: >> > >> > Das

Re: catch phrase of the day

2011-02-08 Thread Casey Dougall
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 8:23 PM, Medic wrote: > > +infinity > > On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Michael Dinowitz < > mdino...@houseoffusion.com > > wrote: > > > > > How many catch phrases can you identify: > > > > Das Efx - They want efx > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmiiW936jqw > > > > From

Re: Concerns grow over Egypt's WMD research

2011-02-08 Thread Medic
Not sayin, just sayin. On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 9:04 PM, Sam wrote: > > OK, that there makes Al Gore sound like a genius. > > . > > On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 7:21 PM, Medic wrote: > > > > America is the only country that's ever nuked anyone. Why should we worry > > about Muslims with nukes? > > > >

Re: Concerns grow over Egypt's WMD research

2011-02-08 Thread Sam
OK, that there makes Al Gore sound like a genius. . On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 7:21 PM, Medic wrote: > > America is the only country that's ever nuked anyone. Why should we worry > about Muslims with nukes? > ~| Order the Adobe Co

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Sam
It's socialism if you force people to buy your magic pixie dust. . On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 7:21 PM, Maureen wrote: > > I thought you were a capitalist.  Since when is it wrong to make money? > > On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Sam wrote: >> >> Because now there's money to be made from it. >> >

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Sam
you would understand how silly you sound claiming excessive snowfall could not be related to warming simply because it happens in the winter. My bad, you said related. On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 7:18 PM, Maureen wrote: > > That would be because I am NOT claiming that warmer weather causes > colder

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Sam
I think it was he and Steve McIntyre that made NASA revise their list of warmest years do to faulty data. On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > The fact that he uses climategate as one of his tab labels on his site > already discredits him...that and he is a TV Meterologist. >

Re: catch phrase of the day

2011-02-08 Thread Medic
+infinity On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Michael Dinowitz wrote: > > How many catch phrases can you identify: > > Das Efx - They want efx > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmiiW936jqw > > From the days when rap meant something > > >

Re: A trini says Carnival or Bust..blizzards be damned!

2011-02-08 Thread Medic
Damn straight. Or a beach day at plenty steps. On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 8:11 PM, Vivec wrote: > > Well if you ever visit, we gotta take a drink on the avenue :-) > > On 8 February 2011 20:57, Medic wrote: > > > > That's too bad. It's been a damn long time so please do excuse me being > out > > o

catch phrase of the day

2011-02-08 Thread Michael Dinowitz
How many catch phrases can you identify: Das Efx - They want efx http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmiiW936jqw >From the days when rap meant something ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldf

Re: A trini says Carnival or Bust..blizzards be damned!

2011-02-08 Thread Vivec
Well if you ever visit, we gotta take a drink on the avenue :-) On 8 February 2011 20:57, Medic wrote: > > That's too bad. It's been a damn long time so please do excuse me being out > of touch. :/ > > On an interesting note, my father in-law may end up back in T&T with the > airline. It would b

Re: A trini says Carnival or Bust..blizzards be damned!

2011-02-08 Thread Medic
That's too bad. It's been a damn long time so please do excuse me being out of touch. :/ On an interesting note, my father in-law may end up back in T&T with the airline. It would be kind of full circle and would mean I'd be there on visits again. My skin is getting excited just thinking about it

RE: A trini says Carnival or Bust..blizzards be damned!

2011-02-08 Thread Eric Roberts
I'd pick her up hehehe...we may not make it to Trinidad -Original Message- From: Vivec [mailto:gel21...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 18:26 To: cf-community Subject: A trini says Carnival or Bust..blizzards be damned! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9m-dQp_SQY&featur

Re: A trini says Carnival or Bust..blizzards be damned!

2011-02-08 Thread Vivec
Lol...Poison buss a good while back. The band leaders fell out I believe. The big bands now are Tribe, Island People, Spice, Harts, MacFarlane. There are two new ones..a few new ones actually . YUMA , Oasis...a few others. Poison was great while it lasted though. Gave rise to several other bands

Re: A trini says Carnival or Bust..blizzards be damned!

2011-02-08 Thread Medic
Is she playing for poison? On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 7:25 PM, Vivec wrote: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9m-dQp_SQY&feature=player_embedded > > Lol! :-) > > This was funny. Heard about people moaning that they would miss their > all-inclusive fetes! :) > > ~

A trini says Carnival or Bust..blizzards be damned!

2011-02-08 Thread Vivec
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9m-dQp_SQY&feature=player_embedded Lol! :-) This was funny. Heard about people moaning that they would miss their all-inclusive fetes! :) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.a

Re: Concerns grow over Egypt's WMD research

2011-02-08 Thread Medic
America is the only country that's ever nuked anyone. Why should we worry about Muslims with nukes? On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Michael Dinowitz wrote: > > Why worry about a radical Islamist group (nice euphemism for terrorists) > gaining power in Egypt. It's not like they have Nukes... >

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Maureen
I thought you were a capitalist. Since when is it wrong to make money? On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Sam wrote: > > Because now there's money to be made from it. > > . > > On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: >> >> I have yet to hear anyone explain how the climate changed so m

Re: Concerns grow over Egypt's WMD research

2011-02-08 Thread Michael Dinowitz
How does Israel factor in here and why does that factor include it with the question of villain? Does France also want the VP? Would the question if they are the villain come up? Just wondering on the inclusion. As for invading, Iraq wasn't our ally, Egypt is. We have no reason to invade and if

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Maureen
That would be because I am NOT claiming that warmer weather causes colder weather. On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Sam wrote: > > But you don't sound at all silly claiming a warmer climate causes > colder weather :P ~| Order t

Re: Concerns grow over Egypt's WMD research

2011-02-08 Thread Maureen
The government and media can save a lot of money and just recycle all the speeches, press releases and memos from Bush's push to invade Iraq. According to Wikileaks, the new VP is the one Israel wanted. So who is the villain? On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Michael Dinowitz wrote: > > Why wor

Re: Peace offends Arabs dignity

2011-02-08 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Again, their own words. http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/2787.htm "This disobedience must include halting passage through the Suez Canal, stopping the supply of petroleum and natural gas to Israel, and preparing for war with Israel. " But I guess they mean war with Israel in the sense of being civi

RE: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Eric Roberts
The fact that he uses climategate as one of his tab labels on his site already discredits him...that and he is a TV Meterologist. -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 17:00 To: cf-community Subject: Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Cris

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Sam
One assistant professor != 100,000 of thousands of people http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/02/08/a-cherry-picker%E2%80%99s-guide-to-temperature-trends-update-warming-crisis-not/#more-33563 On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 5:43 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > In the Northern Hemisphere since 1979, the averag

RE: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Eric Roberts
In the Northern Hemisphere since 1979, the average temperature rose by about 0.7 degrees Celsius, whereas the global average temperature rose by about 0.45 degrees, Flanner said. For every 1 degree Celsius rise in the Northern Hemisphere, Flanner and his colleagues calculated an average of 0.6 fe

RE: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Eric Roberts
http://ns.umich.edu/htdocs/releases/story.php?id=8199 -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 16:38 To: cf-community Subject: Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming My bad, it's not the only cause of the glaciers retre

Re: Peace offends Arabs dignity

2011-02-08 Thread Sam
Did you forget we have a new President? On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 5:35 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > > You don't know that yet. If that comes to pass, we'll put our boot heel on > their collective necks and explain the situation. Congress has the power to > declare war, and the Republicans are not goin

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Ian Skinner
On 2/8/2011 2:21 PM, Sam wrote: > Climate has cycles and stop being a patronizing ass. Climate has cycles. But we can not possibly be in a cycle now and anybody who tries to prove how the cycle is currently going is a liar and makes up their data. On 2/8/2011 2:21 PM, Sam wrote: > Stop being a

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Sam
My bad, it's not the only cause of the glaciers retreating and advancing. That we leave to CO2. On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > Lets go with the full quote... > > If the Indian monsoon season is weaker because of global atmospheric changes > such as El Niño, then Centra

Re: Peace offends Arabs dignity

2011-02-08 Thread Robert Munn
You don't know that yet. If that comes to pass, we'll put our boot heel on their collective necks and explain the situation. Congress has the power to declare war, and the Republicans are not going to abandon Israel. We'll see about the Democrats. On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Michael Dinowitz

Re: Peace offends Arabs dignity

2011-02-08 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Read their own words rather than what you hear from the media (especially Al Jizeera). They may call it fighting oppression, resistance or use other euphemisms, but killing civilians is terrorism. I guess Sadat was so long ago that it doesn't count now. I guess Hamas is not counted as it has a dif

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Sam
Nobody is advocating a do nothing approach. . On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > > My problem is that I would rather have a measured and reasonable > response on how to go from here. I am not advocating we do nothing, > rather that we take steps that will make a difference

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Sam
Read up on glaciers. . On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: > > On 2/8/2011 1:53 PM, Sam wrote: >> You didn't even read the article. > > Yes I did.  Please cut and past the part of the article that tells me > where the glaciers that have already disappeared from Glacier National >

RE: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Eric Roberts
Lets go with the full quote... If the Indian monsoon season is weaker because of global atmospheric changes such as El Niño, then Central Nepal must primarily rely on water coming from the seasonal melting of glaciers and the small amount of snowmelt that is available. Notice the key phrase in t

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Sam
And glaciers always expand and retreat at different and unpredictable rates. Actually, Chamonix lost a skier in a crevice and someone predicted 70 years or so later his body would appear and he was correct. On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > There is no 'stereotypical' Him

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Scott Stroz
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > Did my explanation help at all, Scott? If there are areas you are > looking for more information on, I'm happy to try and track down > things that are specific to where you feel there are gaps in your > understanding of the situation. It

Re: Peace offends Arabs dignity

2011-02-08 Thread Michael Dinowitz
So anyone can cancel a peace treaty at any time because they don't like the way a country is dealing with someone else? So the US (for example) could cancel any treaty they have because of how the Palestinians are treating Israel? But the point is that a power in the next Egyptian government is l

RE: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Eric Roberts
Here is some info on the thermohaline belt... http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/01/110124162708.htm -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 16:12 To: cf-community Subject: Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Wa

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Sam
Climate has cycles and stop being a patronizing ass. On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: > > On 2/8/2011 1:51 PM, Sam wrote: >> The weather changes, always has. Saying that the climate is changing >> one way, then another > > Lets start with a very basic question.  Do you believe

RE: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Eric Roberts
Read the entire PDF when you get a chance. That was just a very small snippet. -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 16:12 To: cf-community Subject: Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming When people use words

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Sam
It says the cause of the few that are retreating is El Nino On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > Or better yet...how about reading the full report... > > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/01/110124162708.htm > ~~

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Sam
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: > > You do realize that it is winter in NYC and snow in the winter is not a > new thing. Hmmm, so weather is seasonal? >> I feel like a little simpleton trying to point out how ridiculous you sound. >> Do you really think the earth has warmed a

RE: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Eric Roberts
Keep in mind, this was from a statement made in 1972... -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 16:12 To: cf-community Subject: Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming When people use words like 'it is possible',

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Ian Skinner
On 2/8/2011 2:07 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: >> On 2/8/2011 1:30 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: >>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Ian Skinnerwrote: Saying that easily viable and noticeable changes are bullshit and completely made up for the

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Scott Stroz
When people use words like 'it is possible', its hard to take it as fact more than opinion. On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > From the link I posted earlier... > > Judging from the record of the past interglacial ages, the present time of > high temperatures should be draw

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Judah McAuley
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: >> >> On 2/8/2011 1:30 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: >>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Ian Skinner  wrote: Saying that easily viable and noticeable changes are bullshit and completely m

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Scott Stroz
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: > > On 2/8/2011 1:30 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Ian Skinner  wrote: >>> Saying that easily viable and noticeable changes are >>> bullshit and completely made up for the profit of some group or the >>> other is idiot

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Ian Skinner
On 2/8/2011 1:53 PM, Sam wrote: > You didn't even read the article. Yes I did. Please cut and past the part of the article that tells me where the glaciers that have already disappeared from Glacier National Park and many other places in the world have gone. ~~

RE: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Eric Roberts
There is no 'stereotypical' Himalayan glacier," said Bookhagen. "This is in clear contrast to the IPCC reports that lumps all Himalayan glaciers together." Bookhagen noted that glaciers in the Karakoram region of Northwestern Himalaya are mostly stagnating. However, glaciers in the Western, Centr

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Ian Skinner
On 2/8/2011 1:51 PM, Sam wrote: > The weather changes, always has. Saying that the climate is changing > one way, then another Lets start with a very basic question. Do you believe that the climate as always been as it more or less is now? That there have never been ice ages or global tropica

RE: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Eric Roberts
Or better yet...how about reading the full report... http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/01/110124162708.htm -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 15:43 To: cf-community Subject: Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global W

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Ian Skinner
On 2/8/2011 1:42 PM, Sam wrote: > So Hemp is the AC for the Antartic which is getting too much snow > pack. Or something like that. > > You do realize it's summer there? Heat waves in the summer in South > America, is that a new thing? You do realize that it is winter in NYC and snow in the winte

RE: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Eric Roberts
>From the link I posted earlier... Judging from the record of the past interglacial ages, the present time of high temperatures should be drawing to an end, to be followed by a long period of considerably colder temperatures leading to the next glacial age some 20,000 years from now. However, it

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Sam
You didn't even read the article. On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: > > On 2/8/2011 1:42 PM, Sam wrote: >> That was bad data and has been retracted. > > Me going to National Glacier Park and seeing a lot less Glaciers then > where there 30 years ago is bad data?  Looking at Nat

RE: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Eric Roberts
Umm...no...that is not El Nino/La Nina and is not even related to it... -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 15:44 To: cf-community Subject: Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming El Nino and La Nina you finally get

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Sam
The weather changes, always has. Saying that the climate is changing one way, then another, then both and starting a company to trade and tax carbon is pure BS. On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: > > On 2/8/2011 1:30 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Ian

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Ian Skinner
On 2/8/2011 1:42 PM, Sam wrote: > That was bad data and has been retracted. Me going to National Glacier Park and seeing a lot less Glaciers then where there 30 years ago is bad data? Looking at National Geographic pictures of Glaciers around the world that are gone? Where did the Al Gore hi

RE: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Eric Roberts
ROFLMAO -Original Message- From: Medic [mailto:hofme...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 15:38 To: cf-community Subject: Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming Yeah, but I got a ton of snow this year so I should obviously drive a full size suburban. *rol

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Ian Skinner
On 2/8/2011 1:30 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: >> Saying that easily viable and noticeable changes are >> bullshit and completely made up for the profit of some group or the >> other is idiotic. > I never said that. No, you did not say that, but othe

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Sam
El Nino and La Nina you finally get it. On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > No...climate is changing.  Climactic patterns effect weather as well as some > of the engines that drive weather.  Decreased salinity from melting polar > icecaps effects the thermohaline belt that

Re: Common Cause

2011-02-08 Thread Gruss Gott
> G Money wrote: >> "Why should we listen when you bitch about it?" >> >> I do believe you missed the point completely. >> > > Problyi'll shut up now. > You can always try the one-up approach. For example, let's say someone says: "Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman really have it right: we n

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Sam
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: > The last I heard, glaciers are still melting and all that water is going > to go somewhere. That was bad data and has been retracted. Even the left leaning Telegraph noticed this http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/828

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Medic
Yeah, but I got a ton of snow this year so I should obviously drive a full size suburban. *rolls eyes* On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > No...climate is changing. Climactic patterns effect weather as well as > some > of the engines that d

RE: Peace offends Arabs dignity

2011-02-08 Thread Eric Roberts
Considering what Israel does to the Palestinians...I can completely understand that. -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:mdino...@houseoffusion.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 14:25 To: cf-community Subject: Peace offends Arabs dignity For those who are lulled by s

RE: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Eric Roberts
Yes...read the link I posted. They talk a little bit about it. -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 14:17 To: cf-community Subject: Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Vivec

RE: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Eric Roberts
No...climate is changing. Climactic patterns effect weather as well as some of the engines that drive weather. Decreased salinity from melting polar icecaps effects the thermohaline belt that circulates water around the world in the oceans. This belt, which drives ocean currents, is responsible

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Scott Stroz
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: > Saying that easily viable and noticeable changes are > bullshit and completely made up for the profit of some group or the > other is idiotic. I never said that. -- Scott Stroz --- You can make things happen, you can watch thin

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Ian Skinner
On 2/8/2011 1:15 PM, Sam wrote: > Maybe if we didn't cause all this warming there would be even more snow. Yes exactly! ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Ian Skinner
On 2/8/2011 1:13 PM, Sam wrote: > What's idiotic is the people that fall for this shit. Last year you > were crying the glaciers were melting and NYC was going to be under > water. Now your argument is too much snow. Don't you feel just a > little dupped? The last I heard, glaciers are still melt

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Ras Tafari
maybe. and i dont discount maybe's at all. but, it just seems odd. i'd love to be proved WRONG On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Sam wrote: > > I remember back in the '70's when they first came out with GW because > we had a few hot summers. That year NY got hit with 17 snow storms and > shut th

RE: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Eric Roberts
While this examines the myth that there was scientific consensus on imminent ice age in the 70's...it has other good info on climate change. http://scienceblogs.com/stoat/Myth-1970-Global-Cooling-BAMS-2008.pdf -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday

RE: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Eric Roberts
Mainly because the people who deny it probably can't pronounce it... ;-) -Original Message- From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 13:46 To: cf-community Subject: Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming The term was changed a

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Sam
I remember back in the '70's when they first came out with GW because we had a few hot summers. That year NY got hit with 17 snow storms and shut them up for a decade or two. You're just young grasshopper and thinking in short spans. . On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Ras Tafari wrote: > > sam,

RE: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Eric Roberts
It is definitely a more descriptive label. -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 13:43 To: cf-community Subject: Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming I have to imagine its not just Sam. I would be willing to

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Sam
Maybe we shouldn't have funked with the ozone hole. Maybe that's why it's getting cold instead of hot. On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Vivec wrote: > > I always remember the effort against CFCs, and how that worked so very well. > > But it took the will of the United States to get behind it, th

Re: Peace offends Arabs dignity

2011-02-08 Thread G Money
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Michael Dinowitz wrote: > > As we can see, they aren't the only oppositional party, just the strongest. > Radicals are always stronger than non-radicals by the very nature of their > zealotry. The Muslim Brotherhood is smart, patient, and totally dedicated > to >

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Ras Tafari
sam, i think you are thinking too local. a higher prevalence of snow here. more rain there. more windstorms here. more snow there. more crazy cyclones over there. im not saying we made it happen, but something is DEF changing. i even hear older people talking about how they havent seen storms li

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Sam
Maybe if we didn't cause all this warming there would be even more snow. . On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: > > On 2/8/2011 11:50 AM, Sam wrote: >> You mean we weren't confused so they had to change something. >> >> I bet when Gore said Manhattan would be 20 feet under water

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Sam
Now that makes even Al Gore sound smart. On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: > > On 2/8/2011 11:09 AM, Sam wrote: >> I wish he would stop confusing me. >> It's really messing up the NYC gondola business I was planning. > > Air Conditioners must be a real conundrum to you.  How wh

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Sam
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: > They are out there.  This is a horrible reference, but I saw a show once > that discussed research being done on ice cores from the Antarctic. Agreed. Horrible. >  From these cores they could provide a 200,000 year history of climate > chang

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Vivec
I always remember the effort against CFCs, and how that worked so very well. But it took the will of the United States to get behind it, then everyone else followed. On 8 February 2011 17:04, Judah McAuley wrote: > > Finally, I think it is worth pointing out that changing human activity > can a

Re: Peace offends Arabs dignity

2011-02-08 Thread Michael Dinowitz
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Vivec wrote: > > If the US's ally in Egypt had not killed or locked up all the moderate > opposition, the radical Muslim Brotherhood would not now be the only > opposition party would they. > As we can see, they aren't the only oppositional party, just the strong

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Judah McAuley
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: > > On 2/8/2011 12:32 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: >> however, the direct link between the >> post-industrial revolution change in human activity and the subsequent >> changes in atmospheric composition seem compelling and broadly >> substantiated.

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Ian Skinner
On 2/8/2011 12:32 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > however, the direct link between the > post-industrial revolution change in human activity and the subsequent > changes in atmospheric composition seem compelling and broadly > substantiated. And just as important. Even if future research proves that

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Ian Skinner
On 2/8/2011 12:34 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: > Not that is very much a more debatable point. NOW that is very much a more debatable point! Typos that are still correctly spelled word -- the bane of my communications. ~| Order th

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Judah McAuley
The units on that graph make it difficult to see that big old red spike (temperature) on the right. If you look closely you'll see it smears up faster than anything else on the graph, by far, but it is right up against the cropping boundary so you don't see it well. That's the line from the last 1

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Ian Skinner
On 2/8/2011 11:50 AM, Sam wrote: > You mean we weren't confused so they had to change something. > > I bet when Gore said Manhattan would be 20 feet under water he meant > in the form of snow. And that snow hasn't effected NYC society at all has it. ~~

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Ian Skinner
On 2/8/2011 11:09 AM, Sam wrote: > I wish he would stop confusing me. > It's really messing up the NYC gondola business I was planning. Air Conditioners must be a real conundrum to you. How when energy is added to the system the system gets hotter, but yet the room gets colder. ~

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Ian Skinner
On 2/8/2011 12:16 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Vivec wrote: >> Because it has changed more now, and more rapidly than in the past. > Can you provide links that support this statement? They are out there. This is a horrible reference, but I saw a show once that discu

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Judah McAuley
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > I have yet to hear anyone explain how the climate changed so much > before man had machines. > > Look at the graph here, > http://www.daviesand.com/Choices/Precautionary_Planning/New_Data/ > > How do you explain the climate change from sever

Re: Peace offends Arabs dignity

2011-02-08 Thread Vivec
If the US's ally in Egypt had not killed or locked up all the moderate opposition, the radical Muslim Brotherhood would not now be the only opposition party would they. So now are we advocating keeping a dictator in power because the only option right now is a radical/terrorist opposition? Neit

Peace offends Arabs dignity

2011-02-08 Thread Michael Dinowitz
For those who are lulled by soft peddling of the Muslim Brotherhood by the media and US governments, you can use their own words to see their intentions when it comes to peace with Israel. Remember that Hamas is the Brotherhoods Palestinian chapter (again, in their own words) Rashad al-Bayumi, th

Concerns grow over Egypt's WMD research

2011-02-08 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Why worry about a radical Islamist group (nice euphemism for terrorists) gaining power in Egypt. It's not like they have Nukes... "At the heart of the concern is intelligence indicating that Egypt has quietly carried out research and development on weapons of mass destruction, including nuclear,

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Ras Tafari
what this link tells me (someone posted it earlier) http://www.daviesand.com/Choices/Precautionary_Planning/New_Data/ is that we are actually luckily to have been alive in this period, where we seem to be late to the party for the next warming... seems to be 50-100,000 years late to me? On Tue,

Re: Scenes of Mubarak police attacking protesters during the 'media ban'

2011-02-08 Thread Vivec
Mubarak's regime starting to 'disappear' protesters and prominent bloggers? http://thenextweb.com/me/2011/02/08/prominent-egyptian-blogger-kareem-amer-disappears-in-cairo ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.a

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Scott Stroz
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Vivec wrote: > > Because it has changed more now, and more rapidly than in the past. Can you provide links that support this statement? Again, not trying to be a prick, just trying to have a better understanding. From the graph in the link I posted, it seems the c

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Sam
You mean the weather is changing, not the climate. . On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Vivec wrote: > > Because it has changed more now, and more rapidly than in the past. > > The unassailable fact is that the climate is changing, and it is not > changing to benefit mankind right now. > > That is

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Vivec
Because it has changed more now, and more rapidly than in the past. The unassailable fact is that the climate is changing, and it is not changing to benefit mankind right now. That is going to have effects on world food and world economies, as well as several other things. On 8 February 2011 16

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Sam
Because now there's money to be made from it. . On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > I have yet to hear anyone explain how the climate changed so much > before man had machines. > > Look at the graph here, > http://www.daviesand.com/Choices/Precautionary_Planning/New_Data/ > >

Re: Paul Krugman Blames Egypt Crisis On Global Warming

2011-02-08 Thread Scott Stroz
I have yet to hear anyone explain how the climate changed so much before man had machines. Look at the graph here, http://www.daviesand.com/Choices/Precautionary_Planning/New_Data/ How do you explain the climate change from several hundred thousand years ago? I am really not trying to be a pric

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