Miracle Whip v Mayo

2011-06-23 Thread Gruss Gott
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Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-23 Thread Gruss Gott
Eric Roberts wrote: > > It's liberals that are against this and conservatives that are for it Gruss. > Mmm I dunno Eric, that doesn't make sense. A conservative would argue for AT LEAST state's rights in this case because, at the end of the day, it's about being true to principles. And if ther

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-23 Thread Sam
It's a new case and it popped up in google when you said there was no voter fraud ever in NM, even though we were talking about nationwide. Now your making a point that there is no voter fraud anywhere in America because: 1) Bush fired AG's 2) Some commentator didn't get all the FOIA info he asked

Re: Russian nuclear scientists killed in plane crash

2011-06-23 Thread Robert Munn
Who knows, really. All I'm saying is that the military has a vehicle-mounted beam weapon that can boil the water in your body, and that's just what they acknowledge. With 1 GW of directed energy at your disposal, you could knock down almost anything. Doesn't mean the US did it, though. On Thu,

Re: Russian nuclear scientists killed in plane crash

2011-06-23 Thread Sam
They mess with our tornadoes so we mess with their planes? . On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > > > HAARP/EISCAT type Tesla weapons are capable of knocking a plane out of the > sky. News reports said some of the bodies of the dead were burned. By fire, > or by directed energ

Incredible Goal by Canada in U17 World Cup

2011-06-23 Thread Jerry Barnes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n87oKk4BnPI&feature=player_embedded#at=68 J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. - Henry Kissinger Politicians are people who, when they see light at the end of the tunnel, go out and buy some more tunnel. - John Quinton

Sign of the Apocalypse: Jews, Muslims sue to block referendum on circumcision

2011-06-23 Thread Jerry Barnes
unts to genital mutilation. Read more here: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110623/us_nm/us_circumcision_sanfrancisco San Fransisco, what a paradoxical place. A liberal city where conformity is being demanded more and more everyday. J - I am obliged to confess I should sooner live in a society

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-23 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Look, I don't believe in the fraud. If it were real they would not try the executive privilege line. If you make a statement that 10% of the state's voters are fraudulently registered, guess what, that should be a matter of public record if true. I am surprised the bit about making a statement th

Re: Russian nuclear scientists killed in plane crash

2011-06-23 Thread Jerry Barnes
"thats a juicy CIA target" Or Russian, or Iraqi, or Israeli, or Pakistani, or Chinese, or Iran, and so on. J - The individual who can do something that the world wants done will, in the end, make his way regardless of his race. - Booker T. Washington ~

Re: Illegal Alien Covers White House with Washington Post Approval

2011-06-23 Thread Jerry Barnes
"I sincerely doubt he posed any threat to anybody." I believe you are missing the point. J - None who have always been free can understand the terrible fascinating power of the hope of freedom to those who are not free. - Pearl S. Buck ~

Re: anonymous is up to something

2011-06-23 Thread Robert Munn
huh, not good. On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > > There is a difference between "Whoops we were in a hurry and screwed > up" (which happens all the time) and "Whoops we got caught in a big > fat lie". > > This appears to be the latter. > ~~~

Re: Russian nuclear scientists killed in plane crash

2011-06-23 Thread Robert Munn
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Michael Dinowitz < mdino...@houseoffusion.com> wrote: > > Now if we go into speculation mode, we have to ask if this was an accident > or not. If not an accident, then who was the target? 44 killed might > include > someone that has nothing to do with Iran or nuc

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-23 Thread Dana
fingerprint is acceptable if someone has it on file. At least to me. That was whbat they did when I had a family emergency and went to Canada even though the paperwork was not in order. INS invited me to step into the building. they looked me up and found me. Knowing that that's your aunt's husba

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-23 Thread Scott Stroz
Jerry, try not to confuse the liberals with actual data - it ruins the illusion. On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > Some quotes on the two states with the strictest voter id laws: > > Remember the storm that arose on the political left after the U.S. Supreme > Court upheld

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-23 Thread Dana
Look, I don't believe in the fraud. If it were real they would not try the executive privilege line. If you make a statement that 10% of the state's voters are fraudulently registered, guess what, that should be a matter of public record if true. I am surprised the bit about making a statement the

RE: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-23 Thread Eric Roberts
It's liberals that are against this and conservatives that are for it Gruss. -Original Message- From: Gruss Gott [mailto:grussg...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 09:00 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election Vivec wrote: > > The only way tha

Re: Illegal Alien Covers White House with Washington Post Approval

2011-06-23 Thread Dana
I sincerely doubt he posed any threat to anybody. On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > Excerpts: > > *...The “uncle” who brought me here turned out to be a coyote, not a > relative, my grandfather later explained. Lolo scraped together enough money > — I eventually learned i

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-23 Thread Dana
well, nobody should be messing with military ballots either. People should be able to vote and the military especially. Here is some detail on the proposed NM law. It seems it's trying to avoid a problem earlier attempted laws had -- they required a picture ID to vote, but tribal IDs do not have

Re: Russian nuclear scientists killed in plane crash

2011-06-23 Thread Tony Weeg
thats a juicy CIA target Sent from my iPhone... Don't hate. On Jun 23, 2011, at 1:36 PM, Michael Dinowitz wrote: > > While Ha’aretz bills itself as a liberal paper, many of its writers are on > the far right and have no problem with an anti-Israel bias. The paper's > editors don't stop the

Re: Russian nuclear scientists killed in plane crash

2011-06-23 Thread Michael Dinowitz
While Ha’aretz bills itself as a liberal paper, many of its writers are on the far right and have no problem with an anti-Israel bias. The paper's editors don't stop them either. I'm not surprised to read their little 'commentary' at the end which is a very thinly veiled implication that Israel di

Illegal Alien Covers White House with Washington Post Approval

2011-06-23 Thread Jerry Barnes
Excerpts: *...The “uncle” who brought me here turned out to be a coyote, not a relative, my grandfather later explained. Lolo scraped together enough money — I eventually learned it was $4,500, a huge sum for him — to pay him to smuggle me here under a fake name and fake passport. (I never saw th

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-23 Thread Jerry Barnes
"how does requiring an ID reduce clerical error in the office of the secretary of state? " On fraud in general. Clerical errors will happen. Look what happened in Wisconsin with Prosser versus Kloppenburg. ID's maybe able to help reconcile the numbers if recorded when checking in to vote. "

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-23 Thread Cameron Childress
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > The two states with the strictest voter ID requirements are Indiana and > Georgia. Both require a government-issued photo ID. This explains why I am having a hard time understanding this entire debate. I vote in an elementary school next d

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-23 Thread Dana
well, nobody should be messing with military ballots either. People should be anle to vote and th military esp4 Here is some detail on the NM proposed law. It seems it's trying to avoid a problem earlier attempted laws had -- they required a picture ID, but tribal IDs do not have a picture. This

Re: anonymous is up to something

2011-06-23 Thread Cameron Childress
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Dana wrote: > This bit is pretty damning too (from Wired article you cited, > supposedly they've been editing their product claims...): Yup. There is a difference between "Whoops we were in a hurry and screwed up" (which happens all the time) and "Whoops we got

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-23 Thread Dana
how does requiring an ID reduce clerical error in the office of the secretary of state? This is New Mexico we're talking about here. The place that always takes about three months to count the votes? On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "And, 64,000 possible voter fraud cases

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-23 Thread Jerry Barnes
Some quotes on the two states with the strictest voter id laws: Remember the storm that arose on the political left after the U.S. Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of Indiana's voter ID law last April? According to the left, voter ID was a dastardly Republican plot to prevent Democrats

Re: anonymous is up to something

2011-06-23 Thread Dana
wired seems pretty definite about it. What I was mocking was that anyone would store sensitive anything in plain text at this point. How long has it been since the hacker games began? And if I remember that correctly, then this screen shot is pretty damning, All files stored on Drop-box are encryp

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-23 Thread Jerry Barnes
"And, 64,000 possible voter fraud cases where she claims SOME may be clerical errors." On New Mexico, require an ID and you can avoid issue like this altogether. No need to argue whether there was fraud or not. J - They'd rather the poor were poorer provided the rich were less rich. - Margare

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-23 Thread Jerry Barnes
"None of the concerns and fears you mentioned seem to be actual problems. And when weighed against reducing or eliminating voter fraud, I think that reduction of fraud should take precedence." Well said. "I live in California, and I show my ID constantly. I had to get a certified birth certific

Re: Russian nuclear scientists killed in plane crash

2011-06-23 Thread Dana
maybe they thought those people were not innocent? This is sheer speculation, mind you. On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 9:15 AM, G Money wrote: > > me 3...though you'd think if we, or someone else (Israel?) wanted to smoke > these guys for helping the Iranians, they could have done it without killing >

Re: Russian nuclear scientists killed in plane crash

2011-06-23 Thread G Money
me 3...though you'd think if we, or someone else (Israel?) wanted to smoke these guys for helping the Iranians, they could have done it without killing other innocents along with them :/ On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Dana wrote: > > yeah that thought crossed my mind too > > On Thu, Jun 23,

Re: Russian nuclear scientists killed in plane crash

2011-06-23 Thread Dana
yeah that thought crossed my mind too On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Tony Weeg wrote: > > like that's a coincidence > > Sent from my iPhone... Don't hate. > > On Jun 23, 2011, at 11:27 AM, Robert Munn wrote: > >> >> Russian plane down yesterday, 44 dead, including 5 nuclear scientists who >>

Re: Russian nuclear scientists killed in plane crash

2011-06-23 Thread Tony Weeg
like that's a coincidence Sent from my iPhone... Don't hate. On Jun 23, 2011, at 11:27 AM, Robert Munn wrote: > > Russian plane down yesterday, 44 dead, including 5 nuclear scientists who > helped design Iranian nuclear facilities. > > http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/nuclear-e

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-23 Thread Dana
it's not necessary to disprove this canard every time the NM Republicans bring it up. At least not to my mind, and yours is never going to change anyway. Shrug. I have already looked into the same claim like three times. It isn't getting better with age, either... this guy's been trying to publis

Russian nuclear scientists killed in plane crash

2011-06-23 Thread Robert Munn
Russian plane down yesterday, 44 dead, including 5 nuclear scientists who helped design Iranian nuclear facilities. http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/nuclear-experts-killed-in-russia-plane-crash-helped-design-iran-facility-1.369226 ~~~

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-23 Thread Sam
Fail. Next. . On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Dana wrote: > > not really...nobody asking me for any kind of ID over here. > > But we aren't exactly neighbors. I think she's in Marin County and > that's like four counties away. Around here as long as you don't block > lanes on 17, you probabl

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-23 Thread Sam
If I remember correctly I post a link with testimony from New Mexico Secretary of State Dianna Duran about 37 cases of foreign nationals illegally voting. And, 64,000 possible voter fraud cases where she claims SOME may be clerical errors. Plus Jerry posted several links that you were too busy to

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-23 Thread Dana
not really...nobody asking me for any kind of ID over here. But we aren't exactly neighbors. I think she's in Marin County and that's like four counties away. Around here as long as you don't block lanes on 17, you probably won't see one cop let alone a checkpoint. On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 5:52 A

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-23 Thread Dana
In other words, you do question the Inspector-general You provide me a credible link for unprosecuted voter fraud and perhaps we can talk.But if you still make up your own facts this way, I am out Tired of trying to talk sense to you. Yeah real fast. On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 5:49 AM, Sam wrote: >

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-23 Thread Sam
Ha, and you're agreeing with Dana :P Next thing you know you're going to support union card check. On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > > It is interesting that on this topic you and Sam are in agreement.

Re: DropBox Security Issues (Re: anonymous is up to something)

2011-06-23 Thread Cameron Childress
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 5:05 AM, Maureen wrote: > I'm writing a CF front end for Amazon cloud storage.  Any thoughts one > what kind of security would be good for wrapping the data? AES256 seems to be a pretty stable and secure standard. But assuming you have a secure algorithm, encryption is n

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-23 Thread Gruss Gott
Vivec wrote: > > The only way that they can defraud voters at that point would be at the > level of the government institutions themselves with issuing polling cards > for dead persons etc. etc. > At the end of the day, I favor maximum freedom and minimum government oversight and intervention.

Re: anonymous is up to something

2011-06-23 Thread Cameron Childress
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Dana wrote: > If they lied then I agree. You can judge for yourself... http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/05/dropbox-ftc/ Others may feel differently, but in my mind they lied - game over. -Cameron ... ~

Re: DropBox Security Issues (Re: anonymous is up to something)

2011-06-23 Thread Cameron Childress
I use DropBox ALOT. - To sync files across laptops / computers. - Share a directory with my fiance (got engaged last weekend) - Share a directory with the media center PC that powers our video wall - Share a directory containing proposals with agency partners - Share a directory with my accountan

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-23 Thread Matthew Small
Those damn Canadians... always disenfranchising their voters!!! http://canadaonline.about.com/od/federalelections/f/voteridfed.htm ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp

RE: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-23 Thread Eric Roberts
I have never run into that, so I do not know what the procedure is. -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 07:32 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election So, what would happen if you go to vote, say

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-23 Thread Sam
Methinks this lot is going to injure themselves bending over backwards so much trying to defend something that has no logic. . On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 8:27 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > > Me thinks your tin foil hat be be a little too tight. > ~

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-23 Thread Sam
You just blew Dana's claims right out of the water. Thank you. . On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 4:54 AM, Maureen wrote: > > Bull hockey. > >  I live in California, and I show my ID constantly. I had to get a > certified birth certificate from Georgia to get a California driver's > license even thoug

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-23 Thread Sam
But in reality no charges were brought because of understaffing. He was fired for not pursuing the case but they turned it into a political. The actual cases mentioned were never investigated so you win. Nice. While we're on tangents the New Black Panthers didn't suppress voters because Holder dr

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-23 Thread Scott Stroz
While fraud - in as much as people claiming to be someone else in order to vote - may not be rampant, the possibility definitely is there for this to be exploited - especially when the only thing you seem to need at the polling place to prove you are who you say you are is to give your name and ad

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-23 Thread Sam
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Dana wrote: > > these 64,000? > > "Duran's office admits that some of the 64,000 cases could turn out to > be the result of clerical errors rather than criminal wrongdoing." Didn't you notice the word "could"? 37 definite and 64,000 questionable. But your point w

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-23 Thread Scott Stroz
I could not agree more. On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 7:23 AM, Vivec wrote: > > Those may be fears or feelings of the individual, but when examined > objectively they just don't make any sense. > > If I lose my wallet, I go to the nearest police station and report it, then > I get an affidavit asserti

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-23 Thread Scott Stroz
So, what would happen if you go to vote, say you are Eric Roberts and they say, 'Well, Mr. Roberts, it seems you have already voted today'? I understand it is not likely to happen, but I am just curious as to how it would be handled if it did. (Trying to recall if I ever had to show ID to vote. C

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-23 Thread Scott Stroz
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 11:21 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > Can't vote?  Now you're impacting freedom and liberty while at the > same time providing the government a tracking mechanism. Me thinks your tin foil hat be be a little too tight. -- Scott Stroz --- You can make things happen,

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-23 Thread Dana
what fraud though Gel? It's a restriction looking for an excuse. On, Jun 23, 2011 at 4:23 AM, Vivec wrote: > > Those may be fears or feelings of the individual, but when examined > objectively they just don't make any sense. > > If I lose my wallet, I go to the nearest police station and report

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-23 Thread Vivec
Those may be fears or feelings of the individual, but when examined objectively they just don't make any sense. If I lose my wallet, I go to the nearest police station and report it, then I get an affidavit asserting that I have lost it etc. Then I go to the licensing office and passport office a

Re: DropBox Security Issues (Re: anonymous is up to something)

2011-06-23 Thread Maureen
I'm writing a CF front end for Amazon cloud storage. Any thoughts one what kind of security would be good for wrapping the data? On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > DropBox is seriously f'd up regarding security.  Except for the fact > that I depend on it for so many

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-23 Thread Dana
I've been lucky, I guess, shrug. On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 1:54 AM, Maureen wrote: > > Bull hockey. > >  I live in California, and I show my ID constantly. I had to get a > certified birth certificate from Georgia to get a California driver's > license even though I had a valid Georgia license.  T

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-23 Thread Maureen
Bull hockey. I live in California, and I show my ID constantly. I had to get a certified birth certificate from Georgia to get a California driver's license even though I had a valid Georgia license. The bank requires ID when I deposit large checks, or cash any check. Even the doctors and hosp

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-23 Thread Maureen
How do you drive without an ID? On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Dana wrote: > > hmm. I have not had an ID for over a year now. I second the motion. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldf

RE: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-23 Thread Eric Roberts
It was one of the tenets of the founding of this nation as the British used this as an excuse to just arrest people. It borders on 4th and 5th amendment rights. -Original Message- From: Gruss Gott [mailto:grussg...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:22 PM To: cf-community Subj

RE: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-23 Thread Eric Roberts
When we vote we don’t provide ID...I walk up and say hey I'm eric Roberts. They look me up. If there is an instance of 2 Eric Roberts, they ask for my address...give me my ballot and send me on my merry way. -Original Message- From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday,

RE: DropBox Security Issues (Re: anonymous is up to something)

2011-06-23 Thread Will Swain
Good thanks. :) How about you - you still in the UK? Croydon area wasn't it? w -Original Message- From: Erika L. Rich [mailto:elr...@ruwebby.com] Sent: 23 June 2011 02:26 To: cf-community Subject: Re: DropBox Security Issues (Re: anonymous is up to something) Yeah I remember you ;) :