Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Maureen
Scary Cow is the local film co-op. I do some volunteer stuff with them - mostly mentoring the youngsters, but I also have some paying gigs - History Channel and National Geography type stuff. Some of these documentaries are gorgeous. Hoping I can come up with music beautiful enough to match the

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Dana
Scary Cow isn't it? Been watching that in a back-burner kinda way. I thought you changed again after you changed the number when you moved to Marin. If not I probably do have the #. Will investigate one of these days. I am not in Santa Cruz County any more by the way. Too much random madness to co

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Maureen
Darn..that was obviously supposed to be off list but I guess my cut and paste didn't take. Oh, well. Now you know more about me than you probably ever wanted to know. On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 10:32 PM, Maureen wrote: ~| Order

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Maureen
Moved to Marin in April, 2010 but I've talked to you since then. I don't have your number because I lost my phone but the replacement phone has the same number for me. Fairly sure that's the one you have. I go to meetups when they don't conflict with sound gigs or film shoots. I'm doing more o

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Dana
He did not explain his thought processes, but my understanding was that he decided that public safety would not be improved by citing me. Not that I am sure what he would have cited me for. The ramp from Hwy 1 southbound to Airport Blvd meets a side road in a T junction. You have to make a left f

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Dana
no, actually, didn't you change it a couple months back, lol? Maybe we should have a chat off-list. In reality, I'd probably call my sister, who would not have to struggle over the Golden Gate Bridge. But we should get together. Do you ever go to any of the Adobe meetups? I usually make the ones i

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Maureen
If the CHP officer had done his job correctly, you would have had a very different experience. I assume he used digression because it was a casual stop. If you are responsible for an accident, or commit a serious traffic violation, you'll be up that well known tributary with no adequate means of

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Gruss Gott
Jerry Barnes wrote: > > Just how much voter fraud is acceptable? > (1.) You presume that IDs will stop fraud; they won't. It's like saying if we make weed illegal, people will stop smoking it. They haven't. Fail. (2.) Fraud is simply one component of election inaccuracies, and probably the s

Re: Recycling electronics

2011-06-25 Thread Robert Munn
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > Much easier said than done. Even if you try to buy local, how many foreign > products help produce the said product? A more feasible approach would be > to say don't shop at Walmart. Might be possible in a robust economy. Under > Obaman

RE: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Eric Roberts
Except that they didn't prove that the requiring ID had anything to do with it. Just because 2 events happen at the same time doesn't mean that one caused the other. -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 08:24 PM To: cf-community S

Re: Doctor as renegade -- accepts cash, checks, eggs or pie, not insurance

2011-06-25 Thread Gruss Gott
Jerry Barnes wrote: > > At least Obamacare will remove some layers of administration and tiers and > tier and tiers of management. > If by "remove" you mean "add" then I agree. Already happening. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Dana
you apparently missed the story about where I was pulled over by CHP. Did not happen that way at all. I am sure you know what you are talking about, but I suspect you have to ask for immigration data, because nobody ever has brought immigration status up with me, ever, any of the times I have tal

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Dana
No, I read this. But you're right, this isn't Wisconsin; must have been a different link. There was however something I did not like about this one too. Hmm. I can't do this right now. If we can have a civil discussion about it I might be able to get back to this on Monday. As it is right now, de

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Maureen
Every jurisdiction issues a voter registration card to every registered voter, which will work fine for voting. So not being able to obtain an "ID" for whatever reason is moot. On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 4:47 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > The bigger government argument fails on all fronts.  It has

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Maureen
It's not hard to process. You were issued documents that you are required to have in your possession and you do not have them. You think they will let you off with a slap on the hand, but that's not what is going to happen. Unless you happen to be within the city limits of San Francisco, if you

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Scott Stroz
I think you may be looking at the wrong link. The links I am referring to discussed voter turnout in GA and IN after they enacted laws requiring ID in order to vote. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123327839569631609.html On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Dana wrote: > > ya. Preliminary google s

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Dana
ya. Preliminary google seems to indicate there's more to the story, but I really don't have the time to run it down, esp when nobody is going to change their mind anyway. Just for a start: looks like some of the Wisconsin "fraud" was students having the temerity to register to vote. On Sat, Jun

Re: Recycling electronics

2011-06-25 Thread Medic
> > > Walmart isn't doing the squeezing. That's about the most ridiculous thing I've heard. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Sam
How cute, old socialists in live. You two make a perfect couple :) . On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Dana wrote: > > Eric > > I know you may not have seen much of me before but I have dealt with > these guys for years. > > I think it's important to speak up every so often but you are not > g

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Scott Stroz
You mean like the links Jerry posted that seem to debunk the belief that requiring ID in order to vote does not 'disenfranchise' voters? On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Dana wrote: > > Eric > > I know you may not have seen much of me before but I have dealt with > these guys for years. > > I th

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Scott Stroz
Neither am I. trying to twist my words like that is dishonest - and something you seem to excel at. Did you even bother to read the links Jerry provided about Georgia and Indian and how there were INCREASES in voter turnout AFTER they enacted laws that required voters to show ID in order to vote?

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Sam
A drivers license is a State issued ID. The same ID the state would ask for when you vote. . On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Dana wrote: > > sigh. And you don't need ID to drive. You need a driver's license. > ~| Order the

Re: Recycling electronics

2011-06-25 Thread Sam
Ian Anderson from Jethro Tull used to have the largest Salmon farm off the coast of Scotland. I stopped eating farmed fish decades ago. Catfish is the same. I don't blame Walmart for cheap salmon. I blame Ian Anderson. And I like the guy. Now Tapalia (sp) is the popular fish because it's cheap and

Re: Sign of the Apocalypse: Jews, Muslims sue to block referendum on circumcision

2011-06-25 Thread Sam
If your pinky was longer than you middle finger causing no gloves to fit, a little off the top is a good thing. I just don't know why all the gentiles joined in :P . On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 9:41 AM, PT wrote: > > More like losing a digit or two.  You can function just fine without > your pinky

RE: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Eric Roberts
I am not the one advocating disenfranchising voters... -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 06:29 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election I have never said (in this thread or any other) that I 'b

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Dana
Eric I know you may not have seen much of me before but I have dealt with these guys for years. I think it's important to speak up every so often but you are not going to change anyone's mind here. You are wasting your breath. You can go find the links that debunk everyone of their examples and

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Dana
lol On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > Eric Roberts wrote: >> >> What if he doesn't smoke? *grin* >> > > They all smoke Eric.  It's just how this kind of thing works.  It'll > make more sense if you read this in a Rush Limbaugh voice. > > ~~

Doctor as renegade -- accepts cash, checks, eggs or pie, not insurance

2011-06-25 Thread Jerry Barnes
Doctor as renegade -- accepts cash, checks, eggs or pie, not insurance Excerpt: It's more a scene from the days of frontier medicine than from the modern health care system. And that's because Rutten Wasson, 42, is a throwback to a time before HMOs, electronic health records and hospitals with f

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Jerry Barnes
"I have never said (in this thread or any other) that I 'believe in smaller government' nor do I think requiring people to show ID in order to vote qualifies as 'bigger government'." The bigger government argument fails on all fronts. It has been shown to the point of absurdity that an insignifi

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Scott Stroz
I have never said (in this thread or any other) that I 'believe in smaller government' nor do I think requiring people to show ID in order to vote qualifies as 'bigger government'. To me, its common sense (something that seems to be lacking in pretty much every political discussion) that before we

Re: Recycling electronics

2011-06-25 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Walmart and the governments that enable them and those like them." I agree with the governments but not Walmart. Walmart asks "Who can give us cheaper salmon?" Chilean companies reply "We can." If you have ever done price comparison, you're doing the same thing. Definitely a difficult situat

Re: Small Home SAN

2011-06-25 Thread Cameron Childress
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 7:32 AM, Scott Raley wrote: > Any recommendations on what you are using in your home office for SAN > storage?  I've seen Netgear and Dlink on sale at Tiger but they both have > mixed reviews. I got a ReadyNAS (NetGear) a few years ago and like it. Has been stable for wh

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Jerry Barnes
"These guys let WAY too many people tell them how to think." That's actually completely opposite of what is happening. Democrats are saying"This is bad :(" and you are jumping on board. "(1.) Democrats rig elections with free cigarettes" Proven true. "(2.) We can stop those pesky Dems with I

RE: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Eric Roberts
Currently it is much easier to fake an ID than it is to fake a vote. Even with some of these new technologies that supposedly prevent faked IDs, it can still be pretty easily done. -Original Message- From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 04:47 PM

RE: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Eric Roberts
If you think that we will ever get voter fraud to zero, you are very delusional Jerry...though I think that is already a forgone conclusion. -Original Message- From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 04:47 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: How states

RE: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Eric Roberts
LOL -Original Message- From: Gruss Gott [mailto:grussg...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 04:42 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election Eric Roberts wrote: > > What if he doesn't smoke? *grin* > They all smoke Eric. It's just how this kind

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Jerry Barnes
"I very well may be playing with the dumb ..." You're going to go blind . . . "Look, I didn't say there is zero voter fraud, I said it is statistically insignificant." Just how much voter fraud is acceptable? How much voter disenfranchisement is acceptable? Isn't voter fraud disenfranchising

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Gruss Gott
Eric Roberts wrote: > > What if he doesn't smoke? *grin* > They all smoke Eric. It's just how this kind of thing works. It'll make more sense if you read this in a Rush Limbaugh voice. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Jerry Barnes
"ya, most state will fine you $25 or so for the inconvenience of making sure you are legit." It is police discretion on what to do. Some will let you go (though not likely in the day of huge state budget deficits), they will fine you (most likely and it's more than 25 dollars here - 10 times mor

RE: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Eric Roberts
What if he doesn't smoke? *grin* -Original Message- From: Gruss Gott [mailto:grussg...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 04:35 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election Dana wrote: > > jesus you too? These guys let WAY too many people tell them

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Gruss Gott
Dana wrote: > > jesus you too? These guys let WAY too many people tell them how to think. Here's their argument: (1.) Democrats rig elections with free cigarettes (2.) We can stop those pesky Dems with IDs. Oh no! How can you beat that rock solid security!! I mean those old ladies checkin

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Gruss Gott
Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "What's been debunked?" > > You're playing dumb now. > > I very well may be playing with the dumb ... Look, I didn't say there is zero voter fraud, I said it is statistically insignificant. I will wager it's smaller than the error that exists in counting the votes in th

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Gruss Gott
Scott Stroz wrote: > > You should take your own advice about reading before opening your mouth Eric. > > I asked for documented proof of the government spying on people > because they have a state issued ID and you replied with a statement > about the 'illegal domestic wiretaps'. > That's an eas

RE: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Eric Roberts
I have never been fined for not having my DL on me...at least here in IL they don’t fine you. I have been pulled over several times and didn't have it on me. -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 02:31 PM To: cf-community Subject:

RE: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Eric Roberts
Not everyone drives. -Original Message- From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 09:42 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election "no. it is the privilege to drive." A driver's license is verification that the person

RE: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Eric Roberts
There is plenty of other areas that they have and given that they would have more information already, it would give them greater access to our information. While I don't know of any specific examples, I am sure they exist. For someone that believes in a smaller government, you sure seem to like

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Dana
jesus you too? My wallet was stolen. It contained my alien registration card, my driver's license, $350 and the key to my son's car. I cannot get a driver's license in California until I replace the alien registration card. Doing so costs $450. I have had other uses for my money. So you have itex

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Scott Stroz
There is a difference between not having your license on you and not being a licensed driver. The former will get you a small fine, the latter a much larger fine. If you have a driver's license, then you have an ID, making your 'I have no ID' comment inaccurate. On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 2:17 PM,

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Scott Stroz
You claimed you did not have an ID, and then said you have a driver's license. I am merely pointing out that becasue you have a driver's license, you also have an ID...they serve a dual purpose. On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Dana wrote: > > jesus. You're not really this stupid -- you must be

Re: Recycling electronics

2011-06-25 Thread Robert Munn
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "These are the people that are destroying the planet, we have to stop them." > > Who?  Walmart or the people who buy the salmon at a much lower price which > entices Walmart to buy more salmon which entices Chile to produce more which > low

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Dana
typing ability not linked to intelligence :) But ya, saw that just after I hit send ;) > "If not, my bad for think you were intelligent. Either way, peace out." > > Proof read before questioning intelligence. > > J ~| Order the

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Dana
ya, most state will fine you $25 or so for the inconvenience of making sure you are legit. It's an administrative fine with no points. Police don't usually write it unless you are seriously annoying in some other way. Shrug. Even if they do, you then get in your car and drive away. Quite legally.

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Hopefully this makes sense in context." Some state require for you to have the driver's license in the car. I don't know if NM requires this or not. "If not, my bad for think you were intelligent. Either way, peace out." Proof read before questioning intelligence. J - Ninety percent of po

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Jerry Barnes
"This is not however what the law requires to drive a car. It requires that a driver's license have been issued and not suspended or revoked." In NC, you can and usually are fined if you are pulled over and cannot produce a license. It doesn't matter if you left it at home, work, or wherever. J

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Dana
Jerry Maureen asked how I was driving without ID. I replied that you do not ID to drive. You need a driver's license. I don't care about its function as an ID. Hopefully this makes sense in context. If not, my bad for think you were intelligent. Either way, peace out. On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 a

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Jerry Barnes
"And you don't need ID to drive. You need a driver's license." Sigh. And a driver's license is a valid form of photo id. You have a passport? What did you show to get it? Your birth certificate and . . . . J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. - Hen

Re: cloud FAIL - Google to close health records system

2011-06-25 Thread Robert Munn
just tried to access it. 30 seconds later i'm still waiting for the page. On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > Wasn't a cloud fail, it was a product fail. Google Health just sucked. > That's one product where MS rolled out something far superior to > Google and Google never

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Dana
jesus. You're not really this stupid -- you must be doing this on purpose. I don't dispute that a driver's license can function as ID. This is not however what the law requires to drive a car. It requires that a driver's license have been issued and not suspended or revoked. The ID itself is almos

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Scott Stroz
And, as has been pointed out before, a driver's license functions as an ID. Case in point, when filling out a I-9 (I think that is the form name) when starting a new job, the US government considers a driver's license to be a 'Document that establishes identity'. "Driver's license or ID card iss

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Dana
I must have missed that because I sure did not see any. I am disappointed that you still think this. > Again, this has been shown to be wrong, with documentation.  There are > imposters voting and there are people voting more than once.  Just because > you ignore it, doesn't mean it isn't true.

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Dana
I think that if someone were to take the time to look, the numbers would be as whacked out as in New Mexico. I suggest the publication did not because the numbers they reported made sense to them given its world view. But that is speculation and no I will not be sucked into researching it. I have

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Dana
sigh. And you don't need ID to drive. You need a driver's license. On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 7:41 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "no. it is the privilege to drive." > > A driver's license is verification that the person who is indicated by name > and photo has the privilege to drive. > > It is also a

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Scott Stroz
COnsidering links that Jerry ( I believe it was Jerry) posted about voter turnout in GA and IN after laws were enacted that required ID, actual data would disagree with you On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 11:34 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > Considering that was one of the many laws repealed in the south b

Re: cloud FAIL - Google to close health records system

2011-06-25 Thread Judah McAuley
Wasn't a cloud fail, it was a product fail. Google Health just sucked. That's one product where MS rolled out something far superior to Google and Google never figured out what the product really needed to do. MS Healthvault is still rolling along. Judah On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Robert M

Re: Recycling electronics

2011-06-25 Thread Jerry Barnes
"These are the people that are destroying the planet, we have to stop them." Who? Walmart or the people who buy the salmon at a much lower price which entices Walmart to buy more salmon which entices Chile to produce more which lowers the price which entices more people to buy? "Buy local." So

cloud FAIL - Google to close health records system

2011-06-25 Thread Robert Munn
In an encouraging sign that people aren't completely stupid, the masses have totally failed to flock to Google's privacy-destroying electronic health records offering: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/25/technology/25health.html?_r=2&partner=yahoofinance I will go back to what I said before about

Re: Recycling electronics

2011-06-25 Thread Robert Munn
These are the people that are destroying the planet, we have to stop them. Buy local. On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 7:09 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > An example of the Law of Unintended Consequences > > Take Walmart and salmon for example. Walmart is almost single handedly > responsible for driving t

Jumping the Shar... I mean Jumping the Human

2011-06-25 Thread Jerry Barnes
http://www.mediaite.com/online/this-happened-watch-shark-jump-over-surfer/ J - To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical. - Thomas Jefferson ~~

Re: Illegal Alien Covers White House with Washington Post Approval

2011-06-25 Thread Jerry Barnes
"My guess is that Washington Post supposedly vetted him, and the Secret Service took their word for it." You are probably right. Still inexcusable regardless of the legal status of the person or who the President is. J - Listen, he’s a nice person, but he couldn’t sell watermelons if you gave

Re: Illegal Alien Covers White House with Washington Post Approval

2011-06-25 Thread Jerry Barnes
"I believe that the point was stupid." You're privilege. "Security is there to prevent threats, not ensure adherence to some ideological standard of correctness" So, it is not a security concern that someone with fake papers got into the White House? Would it have been a concern if a legal ci

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Jerry Barnes
"no. it is the privilege to drive." A driver's license is verification that the person who is indicated by name and photo has the privilege to drive. It is also an acceptable form of photo id. Else there wouldn't be a photo. J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Jerry Barnes
"What's been debunked?" You're playing dumb now. "Fact is, we don't have a problem with imposters, thus we don't need your Big Government 'solution' to your made-up problem" Again, this has been shown to be wrong, with documentation. There are imposters voting and there are people voting mor

Re: Recycling electronics

2011-06-25 Thread Jerry Barnes
An example of the Law of Unintended Consequences Take Walmart and salmon for example. Walmart is almost single handedly responsible for driving the price of salmon down in the last 15 years. American love it. What effect has this had elsewhere Globalization and the Wal-Mart Effect Excerpt: S

Re: Sign of the Apocalypse: Jews, Muslims sue to block referendum on circumcision

2011-06-25 Thread Jerry Barnes
"+10 for leaving us alone. I despise having to deal with governments, even after many years of working for and with them. Or perhaps because of that." Amen "Apparently the liberal agenda for protecting children starts at birth :) (throw some gasoline on the fire and watch it burn baby!)"

Re: Sign of the Apocalypse: Jews, Muslims sue to block referendum on circumcision

2011-06-25 Thread PT
More like losing a digit or two. You can function just fine without your pinky on either hand and probably won't even miss them, but people generally don't have them removed at birth for no good reason. Tell the hospital that you want you kid's little fingers removed and see how they react.

Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election

2011-06-25 Thread Scott Stroz
You should take your own advice about reading before opening your mouth Eric. I asked for documented proof of the government spying on people because they have a state issued ID and you replied with a statement about the 'illegal domestic wiretaps'. Scroll down...you will see it. On Fri, Jun 24

Re: Sign of the Apocalypse: Jews, Muslims sue to block referendum on circumcision

2011-06-25 Thread Medic
...finally... and analogy on this list that makes sense. +1 On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 2:47 AM, Maureen wrote: > > Not even close to being the same thing. Comparing circumcision with > clitoral mutilation is like comparing a hangnail to a amputation. > > On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Eric Rob

Recycling electronics

2011-06-25 Thread Maureen
New law in Silicon Valley on electronic waste disposal. http://www.mercurynews.com/science/ci_18350956 Santa Clara County supervisors this week passed what is believed to be the first law of its kind to ensure that electronic waste -- computers and other electronic appliances -- isn't exported o