Re: The militarization of the police....

2012-06-26 Thread LRS Scout
I guess I should have added a rhetorical tag :) On Jun 27, 2012 2:49 AM, "Maureen" wrote: > > To put more money in the pockets of those selling the gear. > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 9:53 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > > > > Makes me sick. > > > > > http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/06/cops-military-

Re: The militarization of the police....

2012-06-26 Thread Maureen
To put more money in the pockets of those selling the gear. On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 9:53 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > > Makes me sick. > > http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/06/cops-military-gear/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=socialmedia&utm_campaign=twitterclickthru&pid=1313 > > We spend more and

The militarization of the police....

2012-06-26 Thread LRS Scout
Makes me sick. http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/06/cops-military-gear/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=socialmedia&utm_campaign=twitterclickthru&pid=1313 We spend more and more money, going deper into debt, for what return?

Is this slick or what?

2012-06-26 Thread Eric Roberts
http://bit.ly/MyRZfx *drools* Eric ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-communit

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread LRS Scout
Read Day of Deceit by Robert B. Stinnett. It contains all the radio transcripts and documents and evidence I need to say this with some certainty, they allowed it to happen. Next you'll be telling me that the Gulf of Tonkin incident wasn't a false flag operation. On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 7:43 PM

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread Larry C. Lyons
I do not know whether you were being sarcastic or starting to wear a tinfoil hat. Seriously Tim that story has been debunked so long ago that its really in the black helicopter type of conspiracy. The Japanese IJN were planning the attack for at least a year and a half, probably longer. They sent

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Kosovo, Bosnia, Cyprus, Liberia, Sierra Leone, East Timor, the famines in east Africa (x 3). There are more than a few more. Give me a bit of time and I'll come up with about 5 or 6 more. On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 5:11 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > When was the last time we did the right or good thi

Rare Palestinian victory. Israelis get evicted...

2012-06-26 Thread Vivec
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/06/2012626161724577816.html?utm_content=automate&utm_campaign=Trial6&utm_source=NewSocialFlow&utm_term=plustweets&utm_medium=MasterAccount "The Israeli government has started evicting Israeli settlers from a neighbourhood in the West Bank, the occupie

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread GMoney
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > When was the last time we did the right or good thing? WWII? > Wow, that is some question. I never pull the whole "you hate your country" schtick, but I have to ask: If you don't think your country has

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread LRS Scout
Even then Roosevelt and Churchill tricked us into the war through conspiracy and allowing Perl Harbor to occur. Pre-civil war. Maybe the civil rights era, but a suspicious man could have looked at that as an attempt to expand certain voting blocks. On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 5:11 PM, Eric Roberts

RE: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread Eric Roberts
When was the last time we did the right or good thing? WWII? Eric Roberts Owner/Developer Three Ravens Consulting ow...@threeravensconsulting.com http://www.threeravensconsulting.com tel: 630-881-1515 -Original Message- From: GMoney [mailto:gm0n3...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday,

Re: Fundies are at it again....

2012-06-26 Thread LRS Scout
Cold Lake Alberta has the The Big Kinosoo http://www.mcneillifestories.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=itemlist&task=tag&tag=J.B.%20Minoose On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 3:39 PM, GMoney wrote: > > As a kid i firmly believed in Nessie...my parents even took us on vacation > to Scotland, and we spent

RE: Turning the Titanic away from an Iceburg

2012-06-26 Thread Eric Roberts
Just make sure you clean up after yourself hehehe Eric Roberts Owner/Developer Three Ravens Consulting ow...@threeravensconsulting.com http://www.threeravensconsulting.com tel: 630-881-1515 -Original Message- From: Scott Stewart [mailto:webmas...@sstwebworks.com] Sent: Tuesda

Re: On Orbitz, Mac Users Steered to Pricier Hotels

2012-06-26 Thread William Bowen
Sometimes you just know... y'know? :-) On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Sam wrote: > > yep > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 2:39 PM, William Bowen > wrote: >> >> Your company uses Carlson-Wagonlit, too? >> >> :-) >> >>> On another note, I once picked out a $300 rt flight to San Fran on >>> Expedi

Re: abe lincoln

2012-06-26 Thread GMoney
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Larry C. Lyons > wrote: > > > > > http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/demotivational-posters-disney.jpg > > I like this compariason: > > http://bit.ly/LNmPO0 > The potter movies were cer

Re: On Orbitz, Mac Users Steered to Pricier Hotels

2012-06-26 Thread Sam
yep On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 2:39 PM, William Bowen wrote: > > Your company uses Carlson-Wagonlit, too? > > :-) > >> On another note, I once picked out a $300 rt flight to San Fran on >> Expedia and sent it to the travel dept. They booked it for $3000. Same >> exact flights. > > > -- > will > > "

Re: Fundies are at it again....

2012-06-26 Thread GMoney
As a kid i firmly believed in Nessie...my parents even took us on vacation to Scotland, and we spent a night in Inverness on the shores of the Loch. I was devastated when the Surgeon's Photo was debunked :/ On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > And BC has the Ogopogo > > Og

Re: abe lincoln

2012-06-26 Thread Scott Stroz
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/demotivational-posters-disney.jpg I like this compariason: http://bit.ly/LNmPO0 -- Scott Stroz --- You can make things happen, you can watch things happen or you can

Re: Fundies are at it again....

2012-06-26 Thread Larry C. Lyons
And BC has the Ogopogo Ogopogo or Naitaka (Salish: n'ha-a-itk, "lake demon") is the name given to a cryptid lake monster reported to live in Okanagan Lake, in British Columbia, Canada. Ogopogo has been allegedly seen by First Nations people since the 19th century. The most common description of O

Re: abe lincoln

2012-06-26 Thread J.J. Merrick
I have to admit that this 6' 325 lbs man sat in that theater and cried his eyes out under his 3D glasses. It was some of the most beautiful art I had seen in a long time. Twilight... total crap. -J.J. On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 1:11 PM, GMoney wrote: > > No doubt...i remember sitting through t

Re: Fundies are at it again....

2012-06-26 Thread Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > Nothing like using one imaginary character to try and prove that > another imaginary character is real. > They got nothing on Upstate NY; we had the real deal :-) http://www.hagueticonderoga.com/hagueMonster.asp Lake Champlain might have

Re: On Orbitz, Mac Users Steered to Pricier Hotels

2012-06-26 Thread William Bowen
Your company uses Carlson-Wagonlit, too? :-) > On another note, I once picked out a $300 rt flight to San Fran on > Expedia and sent it to the travel dept. They booked it for $3000. Same > exact flights. -- will "If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unaccep

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread William Bowen
USB stick. Which is why those 'lil ports should be disabled on Production systems by GPO. Full stop. On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > The current operating theory, as I understand it, is that it was > introduced to their internal network by a double agent. > > Judah >

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread LRS Scout
Nice On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: > > Ask Captain Adama... > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 2:28 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > > > > > Infrastructure shouldn't be tied to an outside network anyway. > > > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 2:26 PM, Sam wrote: > > > > > > > > Someone told me

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread Judah McAuley
The current operating theory, as I understand it, is that it was introduced to their internal network by a double agent. Judah On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 11:28 AM, LRS Scout wrote: > > Infrastructure shouldn't be tied to an outside network anyway. > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 2:26 PM, Sam wrote: >

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread Scott Stewart
Ask Captain Adama... On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 2:28 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > > Infrastructure shouldn't be tied to an outside network anyway. > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 2:26 PM, Sam wrote: > > > > > Someone told me that by giving it to them they now have it to modify > > and send back to us. > >

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread LRS Scout
Infrastructure shouldn't be tied to an outside network anyway. On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 2:26 PM, Sam wrote: > > Someone told me that by giving it to them they now have it to modify > and send back to us. > > . > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 2:24 PM, GMoney wrote: > > > > I'm not a fan of where Stu

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread Sam
Someone told me that by giving it to them they now have it to modify and send back to us. . On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 2:24 PM, GMoney wrote: > > I'm not a fan of where Stuxnet might be leading us in terms of modern > warfare. Remember, if we can do it, THEY can do it. > ~

Re: On Orbitz, Mac Users Steered to Pricier Hotels

2012-06-26 Thread Sam
I always paint my rentals. I guess I'm thinking if you have two identical hotels except for price the Apple user would automatically take the more expensive one. Probably also pay extra to shop at Target. On another note, I once picked out a $300 rt flight to San Fran on Expedia and sent it to t

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread GMoney
I'm not a fan of where Stuxnet might be leading us in terms of modern warfare. Remember, if we can do it, THEY can do it. On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 12:23 PM, Ras Tafari wrote: > > excellent, for us! > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Vivec wrote: > > > > The US and Israel wrote Stuxnet. > >

Re: abe lincoln

2012-06-26 Thread GMoney
No doubt...i remember sitting through the first 8 minutes of that movie, and then thinking to myself that the title of the movie was GROSSLY misleading! On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Vivec wrote: > > Disney's love story was depressing and vewy sad. > Never watched UP because I read about it

Re: Fundies are at it again....

2012-06-26 Thread GMoney
Hey, if they keep the stupid in their own private schooli'm A-OK with it. This is America, and everyone has the right to be voluntarily ignorant. On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > http://bit.ly/MPUNof > > Nothing like using one imaginary character to try and prove tha

Re: On Orbitz, Mac Users Steered to Pricier Hotels

2012-06-26 Thread Justin Scott
> AKA waste money :P I suppose that depends on how much you value your experiences. When we moved into the house we're renting we painted inside and replaced the faucets in the bathrooms and all of the light switches and electrical outlets. Total cost was a weeks' worth of evenings and a couple

Re: On Orbitz, Mac Users Steered to Pricier Hotels

2012-06-26 Thread Sam
AKA waste money :P . On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > The pricing is all the same either way but they show you more expensive > options to Mac users. All you have to do is "sort" it yourself manually to > get cheaper selections (on either mac or PC). > > This is pre

Re: On Orbitz, Mac Users Steered to Pricier Hotels

2012-06-26 Thread Ras Tafari
and they are smart, ill upgrade whenever I can, and don't mind spending more for it. and I am, of course, a mac. On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Justin Scott wrote: > >> "Orbitz Worldwide Inc. has found that people who use Apple Inc.'s Mac >> computers spend as much as 30% more a night on hotel

Re: On Orbitz, Mac Users Steered to Pricier Hotels

2012-06-26 Thread Larry C. Lyons
You have to admit Mac users are classier sorts. On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > The pricing is all the same either way but they show you more expensive > options to Mac users. All you have to do is "sort" it yourself manually to > get cheaper selections (on either m

Re: On Orbitz, Mac Users Steered to Pricier Hotels

2012-06-26 Thread Justin Scott
> "Orbitz Worldwide Inc. has found that people who use Apple Inc.'s Mac > computers spend as much as 30% more a night on hotels, so the online travel > agency is starting to show them different, and sometimes costlier, travel > options than Windows visitors see." I see nothing wrong with that...

Re: On Orbitz, Mac Users Steered to Pricier Hotels

2012-06-26 Thread Cameron Childress
The pricing is all the same either way but they show you more expensive options to Mac users. All you have to do is "sort" it yourself manually to get cheaper selections (on either mac or PC). This is pretty good validation that Apple's captured people willing to spend more money on anything.

Re: On Orbitz, Mac Users Steered to Pricier Hotels

2012-06-26 Thread Larry C. Lyons
I heard that on NPR last night. Now the question is if I want to get a cheaper hotel, I ought to fire up virtual box and my Win7 pro instance to shop? On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304458604577488822667325882.html > >

On Orbitz, Mac Users Steered to Pricier Hotels

2012-06-26 Thread Cameron Childress
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304458604577488822667325882.html "Orbitz Worldwide Inc. has found that people who use Apple Inc.'s Mac computers spend as much as 30% more a night on hotels, so the online travel agency is starting to show them different, and sometimes costlier, trave

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread Ras Tafari
excellent, for us! On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Vivec wrote: > > The US and Israel wrote Stuxnet. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusi

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread Judah McAuley
Uh, there was quite the uproar on capitol hill/white house about the leaks confirming US/Isreal involvement. There is supposed to be better operational discipline, though obviously leaks happen in every administration. The other side of the aisle had right-wing blogs trashing the White House for l

Re: abe lincoln

2012-06-26 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Its still a better love story than twilight. For that matter, my neighbour's randy cat and his target of the moment is probably a better love story. On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Vivec wrote: > > Disney's love story was depressing and vewy sad. > Never watched UP because I read about it. :-

Re: abe lincoln

2012-06-26 Thread Vivec
Disney's love story was depressing and vewy sad. Never watched UP because I read about it. :-\ On 26 June 2012 12:48, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > > http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/demotivational-posters-disney.jpg > > ~~~

Re: Fundies are at it again....

2012-06-26 Thread Larry C. Lyons
gullible or stupid, choose 2. On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > http://bit.ly/MPUNof > > Nothing like using one imaginary character to try and prove that > another imaginary character is real. > > Next they will try to use a Hellcarrier to prove Noah's Ark was real. > > --

Re: Fundies are at it again....

2012-06-26 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
> > http://bit.ly/MPUNof (*sigh*) The only response I have for that article is this: http://pbfcomics.com/251/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=h

Re: abe lincoln

2012-06-26 Thread Larry C. Lyons
http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/demotivational-posters-disney.jpg On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > I think its universally accepted by those that matter that the > Twilight Series are NOT vampire movies. > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Jedihome

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Again, the 'confirmation' is from a book written by a journalist. No proof, just supposition and innuendo. I can't disprove something that has not been proven to begin with. But if those articles are enough proof for you then there's no facts I can bring to the table that will change your mind. A

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread Vivec
The US and Israel wrote Stuxnet. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/06/confirmed-us-israel-created-stuxnet-lost-control-of-it/ http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2012/06/12/researchers-find-code-connecting-stuxnet-and-flame-computer-viruses/ http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/01/world

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread Michael Dinowitz
The only AV lab to detect and analyze the virus has been Russian. Could they have an insight into the mind of the virus writers? Russia has a TON of virus writers and no compunction about rerouting the blame to others. To assume it had to be Israel is to insult every other country and assume that

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread Michael Dinowitz
That's what some say (McCain). But note where the leak came from. Someone writing a book. I can say anything while writing a Washington book and no one can stop me. It's either fact, concealed fact, or commentary. Never deliberate falsehood. On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Sam wrote: > > I t

Fundies are at it again....

2012-06-26 Thread Scott Stroz
http://bit.ly/MPUNof Nothing like using one imaginary character to try and prove that another imaginary character is real. Next they will try to use a Hellcarrier to prove Noah's Ark was real. -- Scott Stroz --- You can make things happen, you can watch things happen or you can won

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread GMoney
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > and it is that attitude that contributes to what happened in places > like Somalia, Rwanda, Bosnia. The thing is that in the long run it > does affect you. Aside from the enlightened self interest here, why > not just do the right and go

Re: abe lincoln

2012-06-26 Thread Scott Stroz
I think its universally accepted by those that matter that the Twilight Series are NOT vampire movies. On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Jedihomer Townend wrote: > > Then I may have to add a caveat that I like Vampire films, with the > exception of the Twilight series, and I'm not fully up to sp

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread LRS Scout
So show me something with better sources I can sink my teeth into man, I'm open minded about this. On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Michael Dinowitz < mdino...@houseoffusion.com> wrote: > > Because they know better than anyone else, right? They have no direct > quotes. They have the name of an

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread Sam
I thought the WH leaked it to help with the election. . On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Michael Dinowitz wrote: > > Because they know better than anyone else, right? They have no direct > quotes. They have the name of an op that does not have a direct connection > to either of the viruses. Th

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Because they know better than anyone else, right? They have no direct quotes. They have the name of an op that does not have a direct connection to either of the viruses. They have nothing that would stand up to examination and be considered proof. But who needs proof when your the Times. They don

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread GMoney
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Michael Dinowitz < mdino...@houseoffusion.com> wrote: > > Well, the only company to really detect and investigate the virus(s) has > been a Russian one... > > But as par for the course in the middle east, if its bad for the Arabs, it > has to be Israel's fault. P

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread LRS Scout
Man the times laid out pretty well where and who wrote it, even had the op names and stuff. They had some people inside the op and everything. On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Michael Dinowitz < mdino...@houseoffusion.com> wrote: > > Well, the only company to really detect and investigate the

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Well, the only company to really detect and investigate the virus(s) has been a Russian one... But as par for the course in the middle east, if its bad for the Arabs, it has to be Israel's fault. Proof? Who needs proof. We've seen it before and we'll see it again. And when it turns out to be some

Re: abe lincoln

2012-06-26 Thread William Bowen
> the same > guy did Nightwatch. That's precisely that the thing that is keeping "Abe Lincoln" in the DVD-rental category for me... I s wanted to love Nightwatch and it was so unforgivably flawed... :-( -- will "If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread LRS Scout
Word. On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 11:35 AM, GMoney wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Larry C. Lyons >wrote: > > > > > and it is that attitude that contributes to what happened in places > > like Somalia, Rwanda, Bosnia. The thing is that in the long run it > > does affect you. Aside fro

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Look at the economic reports for Turkey and you'll see that the standard of living is half illusion and half a system that's on its way to bust. Look at the policies he's put into effect, moving Turkey from a secular republic back towards a religious one. Look at the arrests and political moves he

Re: abe lincoln

2012-06-26 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Right now I'm still debating whether I like the John Carpenter vampire films still. One good thing going for the Abe Lincoln film, the same guy did Nightwatch. On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Jedihomer Townend wrote: > > Then I may have to add a caveat that I like Vampire films, with the > exc

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread Larry C. Lyons
And US law is the best? On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 11:31 AM, LRS Scout wrote: > > So why not just take over the world and make them all live under our law? > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > >> >> and it is that attitude that contributes to what happened in places >> like

Re: abe lincoln

2012-06-26 Thread Jedihomer Townend
Then I may have to add a caveat that I like Vampire films, with the exception of the Twilight series, and I'm not fully up to speed with American history... On 26 June 2012 15:09, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > thanks for the endorsement we'll probably see it later this week. > > On Tue, Jun 26, 201

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread Larry C. Lyons
A century and a half ago, there was still the philosophy of extreme mercantilism - use your army to take over and establish a colony. Strip the country bare. Rinse and repeat. I am hoping we are somewhat more enlightened now. On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Vivec wrote: > > Then there is the

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread LRS Scout
So why not just take over the world and make them all live under our law? On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > and it is that attitude that contributes to what happened in places > like Somalia, Rwanda, Bosnia. The thing is that in the long run it > does affect you. Aside

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread Vivec
Then there is the other point of view. That intervening makes things worse. The point of view which says that Britain "intervening" in the Middle East centuries ago has prevented their natural growth and progression and contributed to the ignorance and oppression in that region. Intervening and

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread Larry C. Lyons
and it is that attitude that contributes to what happened in places like Somalia, Rwanda, Bosnia. The thing is that in the long run it does affect you. Aside from the enlightened self interest here, why not just do the right and good thing? On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 11:12 AM, GMoney wrote: > > On

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread Larry C. Lyons
I've also noticed that Erdogan has been following the democratic model in Turkey. You have to admit since the start of his party's control of parliament, the standard of living in Turkey has doubled. And that has been encouraging mainly small business and free enterprise. Given the choice between

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread GMoney
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > And that justifies not intervening? > > So you're OK with some 3 year old getting gutted because she's a Shia > and some other Shias are doing the same to Sunnis? > I am, yes. I have no emotional stake in dead Syrians or Turks. People a

Re: Tool to Create PDF from HTML Page?

2012-06-26 Thread William Bowen
+1 On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 1:54 AM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > There is a free converter called CutePDF that works great for printing to > PDF from any windows application. It creates print driver that "prints" your > document to a PDF. > > Eric Roberts > Owner/Developer > Three Ravens Consulting >

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread LRS Scout
When they let us, but they like to say no a lot. It caused some pretty big problems during the invasion of Iraq and led to the 173rd Airborne parachuting into northern Iraq. On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Ras Tafari wrote: > > turkey = good place for us to use airspace, and bases, isnt it??

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread LRS Scout
That was us and Israel man, I've seen others claim China and maybe Russia, but I don't buy it. On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Michael Dinowitz < mdino...@houseoffusion.com> wrote: > > That assumes we actually are behind it and not just taking credit for > someone else. Well, not officially ta

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread Ras Tafari
turkey = good place for us to use airspace, and bases, isnt it?? On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Michael Dinowitz wrote: > > Let me see if I understand this. Turkey and Syria are in a shouting match > and its a possible foreign adventure for us? We're such good allies with > which party there?

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread Michael Dinowitz
That assumes we actually are behind it and not just taking credit for someone else. Well, not officially taking credit, but - nod nod wink wink. On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Sam wrote: > > Send a worm. Stuxnet II. > > . > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:25 AM, LRS Scout wrote: > > > > We've

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
Larry, who peed in your coffee? Are they making you code in .net or something? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.ho

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread Michael Dinowitz
"Democracy is like a streetcar, When you come to your stop you get off." Tayyip Erdogan - Prime minister of Turkey The democratic process has been hijacked by Islamists time and time again. Remember the Ceder Revolution? On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > Its called th

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread Sam
Send a worm. Stuxnet II. . On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:25 AM, LRS Scout wrote: > > We've gotten screwed by NATO time and again in Afghanistan with how much > money the other states are willing to spend or how many troops they are > willing to send, so I think it is lose.  Maybe we can send like

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread Sam
The current stance is not to upset Putin. . On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Michael Dinowitz wrote: > > Just because Turkey is part of NATO does not mean that Obama will change > the current stance we have in regards to Syria...especially in an election > year. >

Re: abe lincoln

2012-06-26 Thread LRS Scout
Sarcasm based off the pic dude. On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Sam wrote: > > Documentary? > > . > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Jedihomer Townend > wrote: > > > > I saw that documentary last week, thoroughly enjoyed it :) > > > > > >

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread LRS Scout
Damn you're being unnecessarily difficult today man. On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > Have I used that phrase? > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:35 AM, LRS Scout wrote: > > > > Look we're never going to agree here, but simply dismissing my ideas > > doesn't make them any

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread LRS Scout
I don't believe in democracy remember? On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > Its called the democratic process - messy and yes people will get in > whom we do not like. That's democracy deal with it. > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:34 AM, LRS Scout wrote: > > > > Egypt is a

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread LRS Scout
haha, you seem particularly full of venom today my friend, you good? On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > Then stop the bellicose rhetoric and the exceptionalism bs on the part > of most Americans. > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:32 AM, LRS Scout wrote: > > > > By that rea

Re: abe lincoln

2012-06-26 Thread Sam
Documentary? . On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Jedihomer Townend wrote: > > I saw that documentary last week, thoroughly enjoyed it :) > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-A

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Have I used that phrase? On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:35 AM, LRS Scout wrote: > > Look we're never going to agree here, but simply dismissing my ideas > doesn't make them any less relevant.  I can call you a globalist lefty, you > can call me an Nazi and we don't get anywhere you know? > > On Tue,

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Its called the democratic process - messy and yes people will get in whom we do not like. That's democracy deal with it. On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:34 AM, LRS Scout wrote: > > Egypt is a mess man.  I hate what's going on there.  I did my first > deployment in the Army to the Sinai in 2000/2001,

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread LRS Scout
Look we're never going to agree here, but simply dismissing my ideas doesn't make them any less relevant. I can call you a globalist lefty, you can call me an Nazi and we don't get anywhere you know? On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > Do they really? Some of the earlies

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Then stop the bellicose rhetoric and the exceptionalism bs on the part of most Americans. On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:32 AM, LRS Scout wrote: > > By that reasoning we should be heavily involved in ground combat all over > the world Larry.  Africa, Asia, South America even. > > We aren't a humanit

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread LRS Scout
Egypt is a mess man. I hate what's going on there. I did my first deployment in the Army to the Sinai in 2000/2001, the 2nd intifada kicked off while I was there and the Cole bombing happened in Yemen. Egypt was a decent place, I don't want to know what it's going to turn into to with those but

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread Larry C. Lyons
I suspect it will be logistical again. Supplying munitions etc. Turkey has a huge very well experienced army and a fairly competent air force and Navy. If there is a shooting war they will take the brunt of the fighting. Other NATO countries will probably help in air support, special forces etc.

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread LRS Scout
By that reasoning we should be heavily involved in ground combat all over the world Larry. Africa, Asia, South America even. We aren't a humanitarian police force, nor should we pretend to be one. On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > And that justifies not intervening? >

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Do they really? Some of the earliest agreements of the US did similar stuff. For instance the ban on piracy, cooperating with the British and other countries to end the west african slave traffic. That is an old tired saw that should have been retired 100 years ago. On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:28

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Last time we supported the overthrow of a 'dictator' we got the Muslim Brotherhood in charge of our largest Arab ally. We're damned if we do and damned if we don't. The 'Arab spring' has not made things any better and for some it's definitely worse. On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:19 AM, LRS Scout w

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread LRS Scout
I thought we also contributed drone and strike aircraft? Also I've seen some stuff about Special Operations and SMU support. Libya was a mess, we ended up supporting leaders that directly had American blood on their hands from fighting as insurgents in Iraq. On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:27 AM, La

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Of course we should We just don't have to shoulder the majority of the cost/troops/whatever. What are our requirements and what can we give that will actually help? On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > So should we not uphold our treaty obligations? Or are those just the

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread Larry C. Lyons
And that justifies not intervening? So you're OK with some 3 year old getting gutted because she's a Shia and some other Shias are doing the same to Sunnis? On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Vivec wrote: > > Yes but elsewhere the Shia are doing the same to the Sunnisetc. etc. > It's one big

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread LRS Scout
Word On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Michael Dinowitz < mdino...@houseoffusion.com> wrote: > > Two PHP programmers and a popsicle. :) > > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:25 AM, LRS Scout wrote: > > > > > We've gotten screwed by NATO time and again in Afghanistan with how much > > money the other

Re: Syria and Turkey

2012-06-26 Thread LRS Scout
I didn't say that Larry. I think that being involved in organizations like NATO and the U.N. violate our sovereignty, that being said I'm in charge of nothing, and the agreements were ratified. If a real shooting war starts over this I know we will have to be involved, I just hope we are able t

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