Re: Afghan forces takeover from NATO

2013-06-23 Thread Jerry Barnes
And here i thought they already had Just a temper flash and everything was back to business as usual. I am not sure what the Muslim extremists would have to do in order to create a sustained furor and backlash. J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. -

Re: Afghan forces takeover from NATO

2013-06-21 Thread Jerry Barnes
If we make peace with the Taliban by any means other than absolute and unconditional surrender we'll be showing terrorists that their tactics work The question is: Do politicians and the people have the stomach to execute a plan that would bring about unconditional surrender? Throw in the

Re: Afghan forces takeover from NATO

2013-06-21 Thread LRS Scout
And here i thought they already had On Jun 21, 2013 9:41 AM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote: If we make peace with the Taliban by any means other than absolute and unconditional surrender we'll be showing terrorists that their tactics work The question is: Do politicians and the

Re: Afghan forces takeover from NATO

2013-06-20 Thread Jerry Barnes
Canada opposes Taliban talks before end of violence As the Afghan and U.S. governments keep trying to negotiate palatable termshttp://www.cbc.ca/iw-cc/command/for%20reconciliation%20talks%20with%20the%20Afghan%20Taliban, for reconciliation talks with the Taliban, Canada maintains that while

Re: Afghan forces takeover from NATO

2013-06-20 Thread GMoney
Canada is right, they are a terrorist organization...but how do you change that? We've tried killing them into oblivion, but everyone seemed to think that killing terrorist only recruited more terrorists. So at what point do you try talking? Perhaps your first talking point might be we can

Re: Afghan forces takeover from NATO

2013-06-20 Thread Jerry Barnes
So at what point do you try talking? Perhaps your first talking point might be . . . This will be politically incorrect so take it with a grain of salt. War has been made political correct and corporatized. No one wants to be accused of being a barbarian and businesses do not want to destroy

Re: Afghan forces takeover from NATO

2013-06-20 Thread GMoney
There's not much room for a scorched earth war campaign in Afghanistanit's already scorched earth. With what do you threaten people who already have nothing? On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote: So at what point do you try talking? Perhaps your first

Re: Afghan forces takeover from NATO

2013-06-20 Thread Jerry Barnes
With what do you threaten people who already have nothing? Back in the day, the British would bury Islamic terrorist with pigs. Kill them in life and afterlife. In Afghanistan, it's actually an easy decision. Destroy the poppy. Like the CIA will ever let that happen. J - Ninety percent

Re: Afghan forces takeover from NATO

2013-06-20 Thread LRS Scout
We Jane not tried hunting them into oblivion. Once Asian we've fought a bs police action. If we make peace with the Taliban by any means other than absolute and unconditional surrender we'll be showing terrorists that their tactics work On Jun 20, 2013 3:05 PM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: Afghan forces takeover from NATO

2013-06-19 Thread GMoney
What natural resources in Afghanistan are we so interested in? There's nothing in that FSM forsaken country except bombs and poppies. On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote: No pulling out means ending combat ops and bumming home our troops that's

Re: Afghan forces takeover from NATO

2013-06-19 Thread Bruce Sorge
There are some precious metals up north. And a long time ago some oil companies were trying to build a pipeline through Afghanistan. Sent from my iPhone 4S. On Jun 19, 2013, at 8:32 AM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote: What natural resources in Afghanistan are we so interested in?

Re: Afghan forces takeover from NATO

2013-06-19 Thread Jerry Barnes
And a long time ago some oil companies were trying to build a pipeline through Afghanistan. Pipelines are a big issue. Then there is this: Bounty of Rare Earths Discovered in Afghanistan Recent exploration of rare volcanic rocks in the rugged, dangerous desert of southern Afghanistan has

Re: Afghan forces takeover from NATO

2013-06-19 Thread Jerry Barnes
Did you see where President Obama has infuriated Karzai. President Obama decided it was a good idea to open up talks with the Taliban. Karzai is not happy. He has suspended security pact talks. J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. - Henry Kissinger

Re: Afghan forces takeover from NATO

2013-06-19 Thread Bruce Sorge
To be honest this should be a good thing. The Taliban is actually a government, not a terrorist organization. They do support Al Quida though, and supply soldiers to them. If the Taliban can separate themselves from Al Quida that would be a step in the right direction. Sent from my iPhone

Re: Afghan forces takeover from NATO

2013-06-19 Thread Larry C. Lyons
For a while there was a myth about oil (none in any significant amounts) then uranium and other minerals (all to inaccessible). But it is a mineral rich nation, if they could ever get their act together

Re: Afghan forces takeover from NATO

2013-06-19 Thread Jerry Barnes
To be honest this should be a good thing. Should being the magical word . . . I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for beneficial results. J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. - Henry Kissinger Politicians are people who, when they see light at the

Re: Afghan forces takeover from NATO

2013-06-19 Thread Bruce Sorge
I agree that the Taliban will probably not sever ties with Al Quida, but then I was just presenting an ideal solution. Sent from my iPhone 4S. On Jun 19, 2013, at 2:07 PM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote: To be honest this should be a good thing. Should being the magical word

Re: Afghan forces takeover from NATO

2013-06-19 Thread Jerry Barnes
I agree that the Taliban will probably not sever ties with Al Quida, but then I was just presenting an ideal solution. Unfortunately, I believe you are correct. J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. - Henry Kissinger Politicians are people who, when

Re: Afghan forces takeover from NATO

2013-06-19 Thread LRS Scout
How could you miss it? Like I said, opposite day every day On Jun 19, 2013 10:01 AM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote: Did you see where President Obama has infuriated Karzai. President Obama decided it was a good idea to open up talks with the Taliban. Karzai is not happy. He has

Re: Afghan forces takeover from NATO

2013-06-19 Thread LRS Scout
F that Till death On Jun 19, 2013 10:20 AM, Bruce Sorge sor...@gmail.com wrote: To be honest this should be a good thing. The Taliban is actually a government, not a terrorist organization. They do support Al Quida though, and supply soldiers to them. If the Taliban can separate themselves

Afghan forces takeover from NATO

2013-06-18 Thread Vivec
http://mobile.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-22942013 Hmm thought the US were not pulling out? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive:

Re: Afghan forces takeover from NATO

2013-06-18 Thread Bruce Sorge
Sigh. OK, here we go. Yes, the US WILL be pulling out. We have been doing so for a while now. We are not going to just leave en-masse. It's an orderly withdrawal that will take some time. With that being said, there will still be some NATO forces remaining in the country for things such as

Re: Afghan forces takeover from NATO

2013-06-18 Thread GMoney
yeah, but that's quite a bit different than going out on patrols every day in unfriendly areas, basically making yourself a target. I'm fine with us keeping a force there as a means for backup. But I think it's a huge deal that we're no longer going to be on the front lines..don't you??? On

Re: Afghan forces takeover from NATO

2013-06-18 Thread Bruce Sorge
Yes, I agree with that. We need to let the afghans lead from the front. I was just commenting in his blanket statement that someone said the us was not pulling out. I just wanted to make sure he understands what's happening. Sent from my iPhone 4S. On Jun 18, 2013, at 9:03 AM, GMoney

Re: Afghan forces takeover from NATO

2013-06-18 Thread Vivec
*chuckle* I understand fully what is happening, and it's what any reasonable person would expect to happen when the President of the US says the US Forces are pulling out of Afghanistan. However more than one person made the statement that the US is *not* pulling out, and one of the

Re: Afghan forces takeover from NATO

2013-06-18 Thread Bruce Sorge
Yes, but when people say that NATO is pulling out, what they usually mean is a total withdrawal, which is not the case, so I wanted to be sure that everyone was clear on the matter. It's hit the news wires on more than on occasion that the top brass of the US military has stated that

Re: Afghan forces takeover from NATO

2013-06-18 Thread Jerry Barnes
So, back to the original point. I do not like the phrase pulling out, because again it implies a total withdrawal. I think that the more accurate phrase would be NATO forces are scaling back considerably over the next year or so. But scaling back doesn't sound as good as pulling out. When the

Re: Afghan forces takeover from NATO

2013-06-18 Thread LRS Scout
No pulling out means ending combat ops and bumming home our troops that's pulling out We will be conducting ops post 2014 as both dos and dod hasn't said. We're down sizing On Jun 18, 2013 9:36 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: *chuckle* I understand fully what is happening, and it's

Re: Afghan forces takeover from NATO

2013-06-18 Thread LRS Scout
DOS said 2 a while back. On Jun 18, 2013 10:16 AM, Bruce Sorge sor...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, but when people say that NATO is pulling out, what they usually mean is a total withdrawal, which is not the case, so I wanted to be sure that everyone was clear on the matter. It's hit the news

Re: Afghan forces takeover from NATO

2013-06-18 Thread Jerry Barnes
No pulling out means ending combat ops and bumming home our troops that's pulling out Personally, I don't think we're ending combat operations anywhere. They might be labelled special ops or given some other newspeak name in order to divert attention. We are an imperialistic country right now