Re: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-16 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
I'm confused by this statement. Who has said "since I can't explain it, it can't be true?" That's not a scientific outlook at all. It resembles religious dogma more than anything. On Apr 16, 2010, at 9:15 AM, Kris Sisk wrote: > > Besides the other approach suggests that if something can'

Re: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-16 Thread Scott Stroz
April 16, 2010 9:15 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report > > >> Ok, so once you start with "he created us"what more is there to >> ask.  You've already answered every question.  "He created us, >&

RE: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-16 Thread Eric Roberts
, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report > Ok, so once you start with "he created us"what more is there to > ask. You've already answered every question. "He created us, > therefore, it's his will, it's the way he acts, etc." It's an

Re: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-16 Thread G Money
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Kris Sisk wrote: > For me it's more like "God created us, but how? And why?" > Those are my questions too. "How" Science: Big bang, the evolution Religion/Philsophy: Intelligent design "why" Science: No comment. Religion\Philosophy: This question is why

Re: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-16 Thread Vivec
like women. *nod* *nod* On 16 April 2010 10:15, Kris Sisk wrote: because there are things, even without taking any potential supernatural influence out of the equation, that mankind will never understand. ~| Want to reach the C

Re: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-16 Thread Kris Sisk
> Ok, so once you start with "he created us"what more is there to > ask. You've already answered every question. "He created us, > therefore, it's his will, it's the way he acts, etc." It's an > intellectual dead end. Everytime you can't figure something out, the > default answer becom

Re: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-16 Thread Kris Sisk
>Kris - if you were bothered with me pointing out the obvious I >seriously suggest you rejoin the list with a creatively anonymous >name. I know you don't have the benifit of seeing several others on >this list go through this ID changeover. I personally think it may be >a good move to d

Re: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-16 Thread G Money
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Kris Sisk wrote: > The scientific part of ID theory doesn't try to prove ID. It tries to > DISPROVE the idea that life as we know it is possible without a guiding > hand. And, unless you buy the idea of parts of a cell joining together for > no reason to create c

Re: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-15 Thread Cameron Childress
> >> >> >> > Ok, let's get this clear: The state educational board gave ID a > chance to go head to head with evolution to determine it's > scientific relavance. The reason the decided it was relevant is > because not one single scientist showed up to defend evolution. Not. > One. Kinda ha

Re: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-15 Thread Cameron Childress
If someone posts from a work account using their real name that's a pretty clear signal that they re okay with people knowing who they are and where they work. I don't see anything wrong with plugging in the domain to see what the company is. We have plenty of folks on this list who mask

Re: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-15 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
Ok, so once you start with "he created us"what more is there to ask. You've already answered every question. "He created us, therefore, it's his will, it's the way he acts, etc." It's an intellectual dead end. Everytime you can't figure something out, the default answer becomes, "becaus

Re: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-15 Thread Kris Sisk
Yes, and the state school board is laymen. My point is that ID may not have made it into the curriculum to begin with had anyone bothered to show up in opposition to it. The scientific part of ID theory doesn't try to prove ID. It tries to DISPROVE the idea that life as we know it is possible w

Re: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-15 Thread Kris Sisk
Sorry. I posted that a couple minutes after reading the post that put out my personal details and, worse yet, implied that I might be connected to WBC somehow. I was still steaming a bit and it seeped into the last part of that post. Thank you though. If you like the site you might want to chec

RE: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-15 Thread Eric Roberts
Nice try asshole... -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 5:34 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > Intelligent

Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-15 Thread Scott Stroz
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > Intelligent design is not the same as hat you defined as theistic evolution. > ID folk believe that created were designed by god rather than formed by an > evolutionary process...ie the present forms are how we were when we were > created..

Re: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-15 Thread Jerry Johnson
I agree it was a little uncool to put those details up, which is why I attempted to use those same details to show you a better welcome. I will admit that I also run quick searches on new peeps on communities I am active in when they start posting. I also do the same with dates after the first on

Re: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-15 Thread Ian Skinner
On 4/15/2010 2:28 PM, Kris Sisk wrote: > Kinda hard to justify turning away a theory as not valid when you can't get > any of its critics to answer the invitation. > Probably because all the critics know it is not a "Scientific" theory. But the problem becomes that in science the word theo

Re: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-15 Thread Kris Sisk
>Welcome, Kris. > >gckschools is a CF site! > >woohoo. > >I also see you are using Moodle. (a php-based lms). how do you like it? I >have been meaning to install it locally and play with it (I spent a decade >writing interactive video disk courseware, and lots of cbt, before >multimedia was called

Re: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-15 Thread Kris Sisk
>> Hey, should we all be honored that Kirk Cameron has made an appearance >> on our mailing list? > >Kris Sisk is posting from gckschools.com, which is Garden City Public >Schools, Kansas - home of the "earth is only 6,000 years old and >Dinosaurs were planted by scientists in a huge conspiracy" e

Re: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-15 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Nope its a traditional fake religion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_pink_unicorn >From wikipedia: The Invisible Pink Unicorn (IPU) is the goddess of a parody religion used to satirize theistic beliefs, taking the form of a unicorn that is paradoxically both invisible and pink. This make

Re: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-15 Thread Cameron Childress
On Apr 15, 2010, at 9:24 AM, "Larry C. Lyons" wrote: > hey what about the Invisible Pink Unicorn? I think that one's Scientology. -Cameron ... ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them kno

Re: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-15 Thread Larry C. Lyons
hey what about the Invisible Pink Unicorn? On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 12:13 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > On Apr 14, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Kris Sisk wrote: >> Eh...right...that's like saying you dropped a laptop and the CPU >> suddenly became a GPU for no reason. > > If you want to reduce it to thi

Re: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-15 Thread Cameron Childress
On Apr 14, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Kris Sisk wrote: > Eh...right...that's like saying you dropped a laptop and the CPU > suddenly became a GPU for no reason. If you want to reduce it to this sort of nonsense analogy then 'the big booming voice commanded it and the tooth fairy said it was good' i

Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-14 Thread Larry C. Lyons
No I think I met him last week driving a cab in New York. On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Maureen wrote: > > That's because while we are looking for him in caves, he is sipping > tea with his cronies somewhere in a luxury villa, awaiting > instructions from his overlords for his next media stat

Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-14 Thread Maureen
That's because while we are looking for him in caves, he is sipping tea with his cronies somewhere in a luxury villa, awaiting instructions from his overlords for his next media statement. On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > All that tech and we still can't find a living pe

Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-14 Thread William Bowen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreducible_complexity The Blood Clotting Agents (Behe's cascade analogy), the IC Eye and Flagellum arguments are easily refuted. Behe's mousetrap Analogy fails as well. Behe's Irreducible Complexity is based on a deliberate misunderstanding of biochemical processes

Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-14 Thread Kris Sisk
>The problem with Irreducible Complexity is that it assume that the only >function of all the parts of the complex object is for what the complex >object is used for. > >It seems to ignore that the individual parts, while offering no benefit >in their current purpose, could have been used for s

RE: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-14 Thread Eric Roberts
All that tech and we still can't find a living person hiding out in caves ;-) That is pretty cool... Eric -Original Message- From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:jmi...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 1:03 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted Fro

Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread Sam
>From 2005: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/22/opinion/polls/main965223_page2.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody God created humans in present form 51% Humans evolved, God guided the process 30% Humans evolved, God did not guide process 15% IS IT POSSIBLE TO BELIEVE IN BOTH GOD AND EVOLUTI

Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread Larry C. Lyons
typical short circuit logic on Sam's part here. Without your twisting everything to suit some (I suspect) perverse sense of humour, its simple those people who respond in a survey that they prefer ID or creationism are against evolutionary theory. Numerous followups have shown that. On Mon, Apr

Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread Jerry Johnson
I saw that discovery on rww last week: http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/scientist_uses_google_earth_to_find_ancient_ancest.php Very cool that he used google earth/google maps to find 200 new caves, one of which held this find. Also, it was his 9 year old son who found the first bones, anothe

Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread Sam
I get it... they say they do but we know they're liars. Gotcha. On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 1:46 PM, G Money wrote: > >> >> We're not discussing whether their beliefs are science, we're >> discussing if they believe in evolution >> >> > OK.they don't. > > -- ~~~

Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread G Money
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Sam wrote: > > We're not discussing whether their beliefs are science, we're > discussing if they believe in evolution > > OK.they don't. -- Everybody knows the war is over Everybody knows the good guys lost ~~

Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread Ian Skinner
On 4/12/2010 10:21 AM, Eric Roberts wrote: > Actually Orangutans are closer... > > In that line of thought you are skipping a whole slew of scorpids, and other > aquatic critters, proto-reptiles, reptiles, mammal like reptiles that > eventually evolved into mammals that eventually developed into >

Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread Sam
We're not discussing whether their beliefs are science, we're discussing if they believe in evolution On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 1:25 PM, G Money wrote: > > We've been over this a billion times, but here it is one more time: > > Intelligent Design is not science. Discussing it in terms of science i

Re: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread Ian Skinner
On 4/12/2010 10:19 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > that mental image caused me to throw up in my mouth a little. > So you emphasize with how powerful of an affect seeing that could have on somebody, causing them to mistype a word or two here or there. ~

RE: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread Eric Roberts
They lost the Minority leader in Vancouver? -Original Message- From: G Money [mailto:gm0n3...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 11:46 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report Where'd Kirk Cameron go...? I wanted to ask him about l

Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread Sam
You believe an explosion caused dna, formed a single cell organism and viola. They believe god formed that single cell organism and the process of evolution to get it to where it is today. On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > Intelligent design is not the same as hat you de

RE: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread Eric Roberts
10 11:43 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > How is it a trick question (especially since it is a statement *grin*)? The question was is it true or false. Since most here believe

Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread G Money
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Sam wrote: > > So they can't believe in evolution because their science is wrong? > > Or are you just trying to use a technicality to save your position > that they don't believe in evolution? > We've been over this a billion times, but here it is one more time

Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread Sam
So they can't believe in evolution because their science is wrong? Or are you just trying to use a technicality to save your position that they don't believe in evolution? On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:54 PM, G Money wrote: > Heh heh..you left off the sentence that appears right before that: > >

Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread Larry C. Lyons
typical cherry picking of the evidence. It serves his cause to engage in creative editing. On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:54 PM, G Money wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Sam wrote: > >> >> http://www.ideacenter.org/about/mission_beliefs.php >> >> We recognize that investigations on orig

RE: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread Eric Roberts
-Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 11:32 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report I believe the majority of believers go for Theistic evolution Young Earth creationism: Earth is 6,000 years

Re: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread Larry C. Lyons
that mental image caused me to throw up in my mouth a little. On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: > > On 4/12/2010 9:35 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: >> what does psychoanalytic underwear have to do with it? >> > > > Seeing a psychoanalyst with a beard, mustache and a large cigar ru

Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread G Money
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Sam wrote: > > http://www.ideacenter.org/about/mission_beliefs.php > > We recognize that investigations on origins raises questions that are > both religious and scientific in nature, but we are careful not to mix > scientific claims with religious claims, and r

Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread Sam
I thought we were discussing creation and evolution co-existing. Did this thread change to religion in science class someplace? On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > Nope, intelligent design is very different. If you're going to discuss > the issue, at least make sure you

Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread Sam
http://www.ideacenter.org/about/mission_beliefs.php We recognize that investigations on origins raises questions that are both religious and scientific in nature, but we are careful not to mix scientific claims with religious claims, and recognize that the two are distinct and different, though c

Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread Sam
So what's your point? On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Vivec wrote: > > Intelligent Design and Theisitc evolution are still centered around > Religious Beliefs, as proponents assume a Christian God, > not simply some Universal Architect or Force. ~~~

Re: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread G Money
Where'd Kirk Cameron go...? I wanted to ask him about losing his Boner in Vancouver. (i'm going to hell.) On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Dana wrote: > > political autocorrect-ness run amok, I say. > > =) <--- politically correct humor icon > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Ian Skinner

Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread Sam
You're the one that says they are not compatible. As far as I know only fundies believe they are not. On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > I have always argued that as a means of the 2 being completely compatible, > but other that you Sam, I have NEVER heard anyone (on the C

Re: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread Dana
political autocorrect-ness run amok, I say. =) <--- politically correct humor icon On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Ian Skinner wrote: > > On 4/12/2010 9:35 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: >> what does psychoanalytic underwear have to do with it? >> > > > Seeing a psychoanalyst with a beard, mustac

Re: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread Medic
Ya, Freudian slips can happen to anybody. For instance just this morning when I was having breakfast with my wife I meant to say "Can you pass the butter." but instead I said "You ruined my fucking life you bitch!" badumbum. On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: > > On 4/12/2010

Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread Sam
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > How is it a trick question (especially since it is a statement *grin*)? The question was is it true or false. Since most here believe we did not evolve from monkeys or ferrets it's a misleading question. > We ALL evolved from single cel

Re: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread Ian Skinner
On 4/12/2010 9:35 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > what does psychoanalytic underwear have to do with it? > Seeing a psychoanalyst with a beard, mustache and a large cigar running around in his slip obviously caused Mr. Vivec to mistype his message. ~

Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread Dana
Austin home of Molly Ivins and the Keep Austin Wierd campaign? Naw On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 8:42 AM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 9:22 PM, Eric Roberts > wrote: >> >> Wouldn't that require actual liberals in texas? > > There are actual liberals in Texas, just not normally

Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Nope, intelligent design is very different. If you're going to discuss the issue, at least make sure you've got the terms correct. Otherwise you're just embarrassing yourself. >From wikipedia: Intelligent design is the assertion that "certain features of the universe and of living things are bes

Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread G Money
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Sam wrote: > > I believe the majority of believers go for Theistic evolution > > Young Earth creationism: > Earth is 6,000 years old > > Old Earth creationism > Earth is billions of years old but doesn't believe evolution > > Theistic evolution > believe all

Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread Vivec
Intelligent Design and Theisitc evolution are still centered around Religious Beliefs, as proponents assume a Christian God, not simply some Universal Architect or Force. On 12 April 2010 12:32, Sam wrote: > I believe the majority of believers go for Theistic evolution > > Theistic evolution >  

Re: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread Larry C. Lyons
what does psychoanalytic underwear have to do with it? On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: > > On 4/12/2010 9:25 AM, Vivec wrote: >> How did that happen...:-\ >> > > Freudian slip? > > > ~| Want to reach the C

Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread Sam
I believe the majority of believers go for Theistic evolution Young Earth creationism: Earth is 6,000 years old Old Earth creationism Earth is billions of years old but doesn't believe evolution Theistic evolution believe all the science but think god designed evolution Intelligent design

Re: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread Ian Skinner
On 4/12/2010 9:25 AM, Vivec wrote: > How did that happen...:-\ > Freudian slip? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.ho

Re: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread Vivec
hmm... that's interesting.I clearly meant to write THREAD hijack...but instead I wrote ThreAT hijack. and I did it twice. How did that happen...:-\ On 12 April 2010 12:22, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > darn and here I was sharpening the knives... > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Vivec wrote

Re: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread Larry C. Lyons
darn and here I was sharpening the knives... On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Vivec wrote: > > threat hijack imminent! > > AWGA!! AWGA!!! > Alert! Alert! > > Threat hijack imminent! > > On 12 April 2010 11:39, Jerry Johnson wrote: >> >> Welcome, Kris. >> >> gckschools is a CF site! >>

RE: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread Eric Roberts
ammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 10:32 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report Didn't we all agree last year or the year before that evolution doesn't cover the beginning? The majority of creationists believe in both, g

RE: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread Eric Roberts
That explains a lot... Eric -Original Message- From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 10:25 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: >

RE: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread Eric Roberts
ROFL... -Original Message- From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:57 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report Hey, should we all be honored that Kirk Cameron has made an appearance on our

RE: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread Eric Roberts
Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report "Human beings, as we know them, developed from earlier species of animals." Looks like a trick question. Asking did we develop from earlier species of animals, implying other than human? I was taught we all started as a single cell being in the water a

Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread G Money
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Sam wrote: > > Didn't we all agree last year or the year before that evolution > doesn't cover the beginning? > The majority of creationists believe in both, god created than > evolution took over. > I'm not so sure about that. A Creationist is generally someon

Re: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread Vivec
threat hijack imminent! AWGA!! AWGA!!! Alert! Alert! Threat hijack imminent! On 12 April 2010 11:39, Jerry Johnson wrote: > > Welcome, Kris. > > gckschools is a CF site! > > woohoo. > > I also see you are using Moodle. (a php-based lms). how do you like it? I > have been meaning to ins

Re: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread Jerry Johnson
Welcome, Kris. gckschools is a CF site! woohoo. I also see you are using Moodle. (a php-based lms). how do you like it? I have been meaning to install it locally and play with it (I spent a decade writing interactive video disk courseware, and lots of cbt, before multimedia was called multimedi

Re: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread Vivec
True..and his voice will be heard! :-) Oh dears...I see this getting vociferous. Let's at least try to play nice! Gosh..this list is so great. A real live CREATIONIST!! From Kansas no less! :-) This is stuff I would normally only read about in the news. On 12 April 2010 11:25, Cameron Childres

Re: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Sam wrote: > No need to get ugly. Sorry, I was born with this face. -Cameron ... ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mail

Re: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread Sam
No need to get ugly. On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox > wrote: >> Hey, should we all be honored that Kirk Cameron has made an appearance >> on our mailing list? > > Kris Sisk is posting from gckschools.com, which

Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread Sam
Didn't we all agree last year or the year before that evolution doesn't cover the beginning? The majority of creationists believe in both, god created than evolution took over. Looks like KS is in the minority. On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:23 AM, G Money wrote: > > When Creationists or ID'ers try

Re: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: > Hey, should we all be honored that Kirk Cameron has made an appearance > on our mailing list? Kris Sisk is posting from gckschools.com, which is Garden City Public Schools, Kansas - home of the "earth is only 6,000 years old and Dinosa

Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread G Money
When Creationists or ID'ers try to play in the realm of REAL science...these are the results. Irreducible complexity and lectures about bananas. I can't fathom why true believers would need to bother with science, short of needing it as a vessel to force their beliefs on others. On Mon, Apr 12,

Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread Judah McAuley
And what examples of irreducible complexity would you like to cite? Such a laughable term. I remember when the ID crowd was citing the Eye. After all, they said, what good is part of an eye? Except, of course, part of an eye is quite useful. Being able to distinguish shadows of incoming predators,

Re: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
Hey, should we all be honored that Kirk Cameron has made an appearance on our mailing list? :) On Apr 12, 2010, at 9:38 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > Evolution has been disproven? You have got to be kidding. Where is the > conflicting evidence? > > > > still waiting... > > As for the ir

Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Evolution has been disproven? You have got to be kidding. Where is the conflicting evidence? still waiting... As for the irreducible complexity arguments, well some time look up on scholar.google.com and see how discredited that old creationist saw has become. The god in the gaps argument is j

Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread Ian Skinner
On 4/12/2010 7:10 AM, Kris Sisk wrote: > (irreducible complexity, look it up before you flame) > The problem with Irreducible Complexity is that it assume that the only function of all the parts of the complex object is for what the complex object is used for. It seems to ignore that the i

Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread Sam
"Human beings, as we know them, developed from earlier species of animals." Looks like a trick question. Asking did we develop from earlier species of animals, implying other than human? I was taught we all started as a single cell being in the water and evolved, but I can't seem to find anything

Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-12 Thread Kris Sisk
Big Bang as we know it: The universe started from nothing. There was an explosion and in 1/1 of a second it had already expanded to thousnds of light years. Biblical account: God said let there be light and there was. Why do people think those are incompatible? Seriously? The Big Bang soun

Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-10 Thread Maureen
The US, where evolution is optional. (We want our thumbs) ~Bill Hicks On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Vivec wrote: > > *giggles quietly* > > http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/bigphotos/21329204.html > > The US is down at the bottom with countries like Turkey and Latvia. > hee hee hee

Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-10 Thread Medic
I wish there were more countries listed there. On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Vivec wrote: > > *giggles quietly* > > http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/bigphotos/21329204.html > > The US is down at the bottom with countries like Turkey and Latvia. > hee hee hee > ... > ... > ... > :-I

Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-10 Thread Larry C. Lyons
That's cheating, using a left leaning pro-democratic shill that uses facts. I really ought to put sarcasm tags around that one. On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Vivec wrote: > > *giggles quietly* > > http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/bigphotos/21329204.html > > The US is down at the bo

Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-10 Thread Vivec
*giggles quietly* http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/bigphotos/21329204.html The US is down at the bottom with countries like Turkey and Latvia. hee hee hee ... ... ... :-I ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with so

Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-10 Thread Larry C. Lyons
You don't know the half of it. I am reviewing social sciences texts, and so far the one I read that was Texas approved in some areas seem very lacking when compared to books that were not on that list. Mind you, that is my subjective opinion, but hey most areas of psychology depend on the theory o

Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-10 Thread Judah McAuley
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 9:22 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > Wouldn't that require actual liberals in texas? There are actual liberals in Texas, just not normally a majority. Houston, for instance, just elected an openly lesbian Democrat mayor. The final race was between her and another liberal, blac

Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-10 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Yes Sam I am absolutely sure that you're in touch with them and have a laser guide to what they decided. Have you seen the books approved by the Texas School Board? Have you seen the revisionist history standard that they have decided on. I have and from everything you've said, you're demonstratin

Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-10 Thread Larry C. Lyons
ught the komodo was a baby. > > -Original Message- > From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:larrycly...@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 3:14 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report > > > And a lot of the recommended r

Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-10 Thread Larry C. Lyons
California doesn't use a single board to decide and purchase textbooks. Its more distributed. So because of Texas' unique method of deciding on and purchasing texts, it has an influence that's way beyond its size. On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Maureen wrote: > > As of the last numbers released

RE: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-09 Thread Eric Roberts
Wouldn't that require actual liberals in texas? -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 9:58 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report Larry's right, Texas still has the biggest in

Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-09 Thread Sam
Are you saying a third of the population doesn't believe in evolution or that they were forced to choose between evolution and creationism to explain the beginning of life as we know it? I love this country and I know there's a lot of morons in it, I just choose to be a little more optimistic abou

Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-09 Thread Sam
Larry's right, Texas still has the biggest influence on text book publishers. Where he's wrong is which group is craziest in Texas, I've heard the liberal revisionism in Texas is just as bad if not worse than the fundie side. On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Maureen wrote: > > As of the last num

Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-09 Thread Sam
Few people are in the camp it's one or the other. Most creationists, so I've read, believe they co-exist. Evolution doesn't cover the beginning, just what happens after. While some creationist believe the world started 6k years ago most do not, so I've read :) But you're referring to the literal

RE: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-09 Thread Eric Roberts
Roflsnort -Original Message- From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 3:20 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report I would be ok with both being taught as theories and letting the children decide for

RE: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-09 Thread Eric Roberts
nkers. Eric -Original Message- From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 3:15 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report I had a heated debate on Facebook with some of my cousins who live in Texas when I sugg

RE: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-09 Thread Eric Roberts
ossil or something like that and thought the komodo was a baby. -Original Message- From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:larrycly...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 3:14 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report And a lot of the recommended rem

RE: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-09 Thread Eric Roberts
Having lived next to Texas, I would tend to agree heheheh Eric -Original Message- From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 3:04 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report Texas is not the largest state in

RE: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report

2010-04-09 Thread Eric Roberts
45% is closer to 1\2 than 1\3rd. Eric -Original Message- From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:larrycly...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 2:42 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: FW: Evolution, Big Bang Polls Omitted From NSF Report yes about 1/rd the US population doesn't make a

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