Re: Groups unite against balanced-budget amendment from GOP

2011-07-16 Thread Dana
most of them are pretty wealthy... I think that only works at the state level On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Casey Dougall < ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com> wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Larry Lyons > wrote: > > > > > The US spend more on defense than the rest of the world's go

Re: Groups unite against balanced-budget amendment from GOP

2011-07-16 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Don't forget all the drones out there flying around... 4.5 to 10 million a piece." Policing the world is expensive. J - Let me explain to you how this works: you see, the corporations finance Team America, and then Team America goes out... and the corporations sit there in their... in their c

Re: Groups unite against balanced-budget amendment from GOP

2011-07-16 Thread Casey Dougall
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 9:28 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "And we fighting an air war? How many F-15's does the Taliban have?" > > Maureen, you like this. When the US decided to participate in the flash > mob > against Libya, our first action was to fire approximately 125 missiles at > air defe

Re: Groups unite against balanced-budget amendment from GOP

2011-07-16 Thread Jerry Barnes
"And we fighting an air war? How many F-15's does the Taliban have?" Maureen, you like this. When the US decided to participate in the flash mob against Libya, our first action was to fire approximately 125 missiles at air defense targets. The price tag for each missile: over 1 million dollar

Re: Groups unite against balanced-budget amendment from GOP

2011-07-15 Thread Maureen
And we fighting an air war? How many F-15's does the Taliban have? On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 5:10 AM, Sam wrote: > > We need defense because we don't know if our new rulers will provide > healthcare? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusi

Re: Groups unite against balanced-budget amendment from GOP

2011-07-15 Thread Jerry Barnes
"As far as I know neither O nor NP nor Reid have said Ocare hits the cost curve but they did then they're definitely liars." Also, anyone who opposes Obamacare is a racist. Just in case you didn't know. J - 08-11-2009: I have not said that I was a single-payer supporter, because, frankly, we

Re: Groups unite against balanced-budget amendment from GOP

2011-07-15 Thread Gruss Gott
As far as I know neither O nor NP nor Reid have said Ocare hits the cost curve but they did then they're definitely liars. The sad thing is that the govt (and CMS) do some really great things in healthcare with threats: * ACOs are driving new innovation in outcomes-based care * CMMI is directly

Re: Groups unite against balanced-budget amendment from GOP

2011-07-15 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Won't raising taxes in a recession to help maintain a recession or worse?" The answer depends on if you want to use common sense of the theories of ivory tower intellectuals. J - Not only have intellectuals been insulated from material consequences, they have often enjoyed immunity from even

Re: Groups unite against balanced-budget amendment from GOP

2011-07-15 Thread Jerry Barnes
"No Ocare has simply made the healthcare problem worse since it didn't touch costs and those rise at double inflation." Come on man. President Obama, Speaker Pelosi, and Harry Reid said Obamacare would solve all healthcare problems. Are you calling them liars? J - We have to pass the bill so

Re: Groups unite against balanced-budget amendment from GOP

2011-07-15 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Simple solution here... Don't pay Congress and Senate until they resolve the problem. Starting today." They don't need the money. They are pretty much all loaded. If they aren't, I am sure they can go to the freezer and take some money out of its tin foil packing. J - Ninety percent of poli

Re: Groups unite against balanced-budget amendment from GOP

2011-07-15 Thread Gruss Gott
No Ocare has simply made the healthcare problem worse since it didn't touch costs and those rise at double inflation. You can't fix a materials cost problem (paying providers, clinics, Rx, labs, etc) by messing how you run financing with your supplier (insurance) In a normal market economy this

Re: Groups unite against balanced-budget amendment from GOP

2011-07-15 Thread Casey Dougall
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Sam wrote: > > Now you have to convince them to vote for not getting paid, good luck. > > . > Whoops, my bad, The 27th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution states they can't screw with their own pay. The *Twenty-seventh Amendment* (*Amendment XXVII*) prohibits an

Re: Groups unite against balanced-budget amendment from GOP

2011-07-15 Thread Sam
Now you have to convince them to vote for not getting paid, good luck. . On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Casey Dougall wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Larry Lyons wrote: > >> >> The US spend more on defense than the rest of the world's governments >> combined by a factor of 2 or 3

Re: Groups unite against balanced-budget amendment from GOP

2011-07-15 Thread Sam
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Larry Lyons wrote: > > The US spend more on defense than the rest of the world's governments > combined by a factor of 2 or 3 times. Should we be equal to what China or Russia spends? > Also a very simple suggestion would be to go back to the Ronald Reagan era

Re: Groups unite against balanced-budget amendment from GOP

2011-07-15 Thread Casey Dougall
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Larry Lyons wrote: > > The US spend more on defense than the rest of the world's governments > combined by a factor of 2 or 3 times. > > Also a very simple suggestion would be to go back to the Ronald Reagan era > tax rates. Eliminate the Bush era tax cuts. Just

Re: Groups unite against balanced-budget amendment from GOP

2011-07-15 Thread Larry Lyons
The US spend more on defense than the rest of the world's governments combined by a factor of 2 or 3 times. Also a very simple suggestion would be to go back to the Ronald Reagan era tax rates. Eliminate the Bush era tax cuts. Just eliminating the tax cuts alone would go a long way to defusing

Re: Groups unite against balanced-budget amendment from GOP

2011-07-15 Thread Sam
We need defense because we don't know if our new rulers will provide healthcare? . On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 12:48 AM, Maureen wrote: > > End the wars.  There is 24 billion dollars in the current budget > payable to Lockheed Martin, a substantial chunk of it for airplanes. > > Why do we 24 billio

Re: Groups unite against balanced-budget amendment from GOP

2011-07-14 Thread Dana
eyeroll On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 12:17 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "Daddy's gonna cut off the kid's allowance. Aw poor babies..." > > That's what they fear. Really big deal for unions, which have lost > collective bargaining in some states. > > In actuality, though, a balanced budget doesn

Re: Groups unite against balanced-budget amendment from GOP

2011-07-14 Thread Maureen
End the wars. There is 24 billion dollars in the current budget payable to Lockheed Martin, a substantial chunk of it for airplanes. Why do we 24 billion dollars worth of spending to a defense contractor when we can't afford to take care of the health care needs of our children? On Thu, Jul 14,

Re: Groups unite against balanced-budget amendment from GOP

2011-07-14 Thread Jerry Barnes
"No, it simply means that 20 billion dollars more has been requested than the projected revenue will cover. " Pretty damn impressive to want to spend 20 billion dollars than you have. That's going for broke with gusto. "Unfortunately the two aren't mutually exclusive. If we don't fix the healt

Re: Groups unite against balanced-budget amendment from GOP

2011-07-14 Thread Gruss Gott
Jerry Barnes wrote: > > I used to loathe entitlements.  I am to the point that I don't give a damn > any more.  Just give me the amendment with a good portion dedicated to debt > payment Unfortunately the two aren't mutually exclusive. If we don't fix the health care system paying off the debt

Re: Groups unite against balanced-budget amendment from GOP

2011-07-14 Thread Maureen
Anything that counts expense or revenue that cannot be booked in the current fiscal year is a gimmick. To use phrase that has been much overused in the last few weeks, it's simply kicking the can down the road. On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 7:18

Re: Groups unite against balanced-budget amendment from GOP

2011-07-14 Thread Robert Munn
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 7:18 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > All this begs the question: What qualifies as a budget gimmick? There’s no > textbook answer to that question. I'm thinking if you are even asking the question, then it's a gimmick ~

Re: Groups unite against balanced-budget amendment from GOP

2011-07-14 Thread Maureen
No, it simply means that 20 billion dollars more has been requested than the projected revenue will cover. It does not mean that 20 billion more has been spent, as it has not, because the California constitution forbids deficit spending. The problem arises because no funds can be disbursed for t

Re: Groups unite against balanced-budget amendment from GOP

2011-07-14 Thread Jerry Barnes
" Nice job, Steve, keep those slaves in line" I have often wondered why Jobs and Apple seem to get a free pass from the just about everyone. Seems like MS was the whipping boy for years, yet some of Apple's antics seem much worse. "It's all a bad joke, guys. California has a balanced budget a

Re: Groups unite against balanced-budget amendment from GOP

2011-07-14 Thread G Money
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > Steve Jobs is a hero, just ignore the fact that he outsourced > his manufacturing to slave labor in China so you could pay $700 for an > iPad that some poor woman finished before she jumped off the roof of > her building to her death. Nice jo

Re: Groups unite against balanced-budget amendment from GOP

2011-07-14 Thread Scott Stroz
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > >Steve Jobs is a hero, For the record, I think Steve Jobs is a douche bag. -- Scott Stroz --- You can make things happen, you can watch things happen or you can wonder what the f*&k happened. - Cpt. Phil Harris http://xkcd.com/

Re: Groups unite against balanced-budget amendment from GOP

2011-07-14 Thread Robert Munn
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 12:17 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "Daddy's gonna cut off the kid's allowance.  Aw poor babies..." > > That's what they fear.  Really big deal for unions, which have lost > collective bargaining in some states. > > In actuality, though, a balanced budget doesn't mean th

Re: Groups unite against balanced-budget amendment from GOP

2011-07-14 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Daddy's gonna cut off the kid's allowance. Aw poor babies..." That's what they fear. Really big deal for unions, which have lost collective bargaining in some states. In actuality, though, a balanced budget doesn't mean that they have to be cut off. The government could cut off the milit

Re: Groups unite against balanced-budget amendment from GOP

2011-07-14 Thread Cameron Childress
Daddy's gonna cut off the kid's allowance. Aw poor babies... -Cameron On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 9:39 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > Groups unite against balanced-budget amendment from GOP > > Excerpt: > > Hundreds of labor organizations, human rights promoters and

Groups unite against balanced-budget amendment from GOP

2011-07-13 Thread Jerry Barnes
Groups unite against balanced-budget amendment from GOP Excerpt: Hundreds of labor organizations, human rights promoters and other advocacy groups are uniting to try and kill the balanced-budget amendment that Republicans plan to bring up for a vote next week. In a letter sent to every member