On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Dana wrote:
> what about what about the drake equation :) It's an attempt to state
> the probability of other life existing in the universe. Naturally the
> numbers you get depend a lot on the assumptions that you put in :)
Other life-- see, it's a grand question.
On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 5:01 PM, Jim Davis wrote:
>> -Original Message-
>> From: denstar
>> Science is meaningless without Philosophy. Context, you know.
>
> Another statement often made... but rarely backed up. Care to try? ;^)
The most beautiful and most profound experience is the sens
> oh bs.
>
> Verified facts and scientific laws are challenged all the time.
> Please
> note -- I do not agree with the teaching of creationism and I have a
> decent scientific background. And the first time I heard that the
> dinosaurs died because a meteor hit the earth, I thought we were in
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 6:13 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: McCain's VP want's Creationism taught in Science Class
>
> what about what about the drake equation :) It's an a
> -Original Message-
> From: denstar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 5:43 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: McCain's VP want's Creationism taught in Science Class
>
> On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Jim Davis wrote:
> ...
> -Original Message-
> From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 11:59 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: McCain's VP want's Creationism taught in Science Class
>
> the ontological questions require more time than I have righ
what about what about the drake equation :) It's an attempt to state
the probability of other life existing in the universe. Naturally the
numbers you get depend a lot on the assumptions that you put in :)
On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 3:42 PM, denstar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 a
On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Jim Davis wrote:
> As I define things (and as I believe most working scientists do as well)
> "Science" is the result of the modern scientific method. There are
> definitely related disciplines (mathematics for example) and unrelated
> disciplines that seek to
bounds of both.
::shrug::
later,
Dana
On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 9:29 AM
>> To: CF-Community
>> Subject: Re: M
> -Original Message-
> From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 9:29 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: McCain's VP want's Creationism taught in Science Class
>
> This is a thoughful answer Jim, but I still think it is wrong.
; -Original Message-
>> From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 12:06 PM
>> To: CF-Community
>> Subject: Re: McCain's VP want's Creationism taught in Science Class
>
> I wasn't actually going to reply to this but the more
> -Original Message-
> From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 12:06 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: McCain's VP want's Creationism taught in Science Class
I wasn't actually going to reply to this but the more I thought a
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 12:18 PM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I am impatient with people who are full of certitudes.
>
> I am too, and the most certain people I knoware the religious zealots.
"Certitudes" is a funny wo
true. But other certitudes annoy me also.
On 9/5/08, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I am impatient with people who are full of certitudes.
> >
>
> I am too, and the most certain people I knoware the religious zealots.
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am impatient with people who are full of certitudes.
>
I am too, and the most certain people I knoware the religious zealots.
--
Bombing your neighbor with mortar and brick
Doesn't it make you sick?
~
um. I don't think it's knowable how the universe started. But science
deals with the unknowable all the time. Questions like -- will my
father ever come out of that coma and will be be ok if he does? I know
someone that is dealing with that one this week. Questions like what
is the universe like at
>> A good start would be to answer, as they've promised too, the questions set
>> forth by the Science Debate 2008 organization (as Obama's camp already has).
>
>None of the 14 questions are about ID
No - but together (if answered directly) offer a better understanding of the
candidate's position
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Cam wrote:
> >> Has he ever heard of the Galapagos
> >
> > I hear those get terrible gas mileage.
> >
>
> It' the ethanol.
Oh? I didn't know the Galapagos was a FlexFuel vehicle. Good to know.
-Cameron
~~~
> -Original Message-
> From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 3:57 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: McCain's VP want's Creationism taught in Science Class
>
> oh bs.
>
> Verified facts and scientific laws are
> Cam wrote:
>> Has he ever heard of the Galapagos
>
> I hear those get terrible gas mileage.
>
It' the ethanol.
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On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Has he ever heard of the Galapagos, for example,
> and how does he account for that?
I hear those get terrible gas mileage.
-Cameron
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oh bs.
Verified facts and scientific laws are challenged all the time. Please
note -- I do not agree with the teaching of creationism and I have a
decent scientific background. And the first time I heard that the
dinosaurs died because a meteor hit the earth, I thought we were in
the land of consp
> A good start would be to answer, as they've promised too, the questions set
> forth by the Science Debate 2008 organization (as Obama's camp already has).
None of the 14 questions are about ID
> Are seriously suggesting that, after all of the discussions that we've had
> on this list, that the
> -Original Message-
> From: Beth Fleischer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 1:00 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: McCain's VP want's Creationism taught in Science Class
>
> > That's pretty much exactly what I
> -Original Message-
> From: Sam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 11:45 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: McCain's VP want's Creationism taught in Science Class
>
> On 9/2/08, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Loathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 9:44 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: McCain's VP want's Creationism taught in Science Class
>
> I personally think that we can't explain the begi
> Of course it doesn't meet the standards of science. I don't however see
> the problem if it comes up in say philosophy or literature.
>
> Also, I don't see discussing something is the same thing as proclaiming
> it fact. Simply allowing for the possibility isn't saying it did in
> fact happen.
> That's pretty much exactly what I believe, Loathe.
>
> You and I are entitled to our opinions (which I think are correct, of
> course), and we aren't cultists or religious zealots or anything like
> that.UNLESS we want to teach what we believe as if it were science.
>
> THAT is where we'd cro
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> Or that the big bang was just an atom splitting and our universe is
> actually
> the insides of an atom in another, far larger universe.
>
> Scale.
>
> -Cameron
>
"Intelligent Atom"
Teach the controversy!
--
The
Or that the big bang was just an atom splitting and our universe is actually
the insides of an atom in another, far larger universe.
Scale.
-Cameron
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 10:59 AM, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I wonder if the Big Bang was just a small firecracker thrown by a brat
On 9/2/08, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How so?
>
> If a potential vice presidential candidate promotes a position that clearly
> flouts the constitution then it definitely IS an issue to me.
No, she was asked her personal opinion on something unrelated to the
job she was seeking. There
I never pay attention to what tshirt I am wearing.
One day I had my chocolate-brown pirate-skeleton-fish tshirt, and a clerk at
the local Linens and Things said "bless his noodly appendages", and I had no
idea what she was talking about, it came from so far out in left field.
I have another shirt
On Sep 3, 2008, at 8:44 AM, Loathe wrote:
>
> I don't think I'm a cultist.
neither do any of the other cultists.
--
They say there's a place down in Mexico
Where a man can fly over mountains and hills
And he don't need an airplane
or some kind of engine
and he never will
~~
I wore mine yesterday...with pride :)
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I just realized I am sitting here wearing a FSM tshirt. Too funny.
>
> On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 11:06 AM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Jerry
I just realized I am sitting here wearing a FSM tshirt. Too funny.
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 11:06 AM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I wonder if the Big Bang was just a small firecracker thrown by a bratty
> > 13-y
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I wonder if the Big Bang was just a small firecracker thrown by a bratty
> 13-year-old God bought from a last-year's bargain bin in the great
> fireworks
> tent in the sky.
>
Sure...why not? Want your belief taught as an a
I wonder if the Big Bang was just a small firecracker thrown by a bratty
13-year-old God bought from a last-year's bargain bin in the great fireworks
tent in the sky.
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> You aren't describing creationism as taught in the
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Also, I don't see discussing something is the same thing as proclaiming
> it fact. Simply allowing for the possibility isn't saying it did in
> fact happen.
Discussing the composition of the moon as cheese is fine, maybe in a
You aren't describing creationism as taught in the state of Kansas. And I
don't disagree with you.
I mean even if the big bang and evolution and life on other planets are all
true, what was... you know... before all that? Science seeks to answer that
question with research and experiments. Reli
Of course it doesn't meet the standards of science. I don't however see
the problem if it comes up in say philosophy or literature.
Also, I don't see discussing something is the same thing as proclaiming
it fact. Simply allowing for the possibility isn't saying it did in
fact happen.
G Money
That's pretty much exactly what I believe, Loathe.
You and I are entitled to our opinions (which I think are correct, of
course), and we aren't cultists or religious zealots or anything like
that.UNLESS we want to teach what we believe as if it were science.
THAT is where we'd cross the line.
Take it one step further...
I'm a firm believer in the Big Bang and expanding universe theories, but
not matter how many different ways you look at it.
When the question is asked... "Ok, how did the big ball of matter get
there in the first place".. IMO it can only lead to one answer,
that there
can't know the mind of god that should read.
Loathe wrote:
> I personally think that we can't explain the beginning, that evolution
> theory could very well just be the method that whatever creator used to
> get us to our current state. You know, know one can know the mind of
> god type deal?
I personally think that we can't explain the beginning, that evolution
theory could very well just be the method that whatever creator used to
get us to our current state. You know, know one can know the mind of
god type deal? Don't follow any religion, just think something started it.
When I
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 7:04 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Anyone that believes in any kind of creation is a cultist now?
That might be. I haven't checked with all of them yet.
-Cameron
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- Original Message -
From: "Larry Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community"
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: McCain's VP want's Creationism taught in Science Class
> >Anyone that believes in any kind of creation is a
> -Original Message-
> From: Sam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 5:41 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: McCain's VP want's Creationism taught in Science Class
>
> So we agree it's a non issue. Just like McCain's o
>Anyone that believes in any kind of creation is a cultist now?
>
>Camer
If they bring it up in a biology or other science education class then yes, the
student is a cultist.
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>Every time a cult member brings up creation, the teacher should react with a
>"sh, shhht, szt!" all Austin Powers like?
>
Personally I think that's when the teacher should bring out the cattle prods
and the waterboarding tools.
~~
>since when is discussion not allowed?
>
There is no discussion when it comes to verified facts and scientific laws. As
long as ID makes a reference to religion then it does not belong in a science
class. If ID could stand up to the same scrutiny that any other TOE goes
through then no problem.
Anyone that believes in any kind of creation is a cultist now?
Cameron Childress wrote:
> Every time a cult member brings up creation, the teacher should react with a
> "sh, shhht, szt!" all Austin Powers like?
>
> -Cameron
>
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 3:16 PM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
On second thought, never mind, I loves you how you are.
The cool kind of love.
So don't change one iota.
--
Ask others about themselves, at the same time, be on guard not to talk
too much about yourself.
Mortimer Adler
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Jim Davis wrote:
> This is the current st
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Sam wrote:
> So we agree it's a non issue. Just like McCain's opinion on gay
> adoptions. Has nothing to do with the job they're applying for.
Maybe it would be a non-issue if we'd stood up to the current administration.
*sigh*
Jim D, I like you. Apologies if tha
So we agree it's a non issue. Just like McCain's opinion on gay
adoptions. Has nothing to do with the job they're applying for.
> > Do you think Palin wants Creationism taught in school?
>
> Personally I'm not sure.
>
> My impression is that, yes - she would (if given carte-blanch) would prefer
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 2:08 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: McCain's VP want's Creationism taught in Science Class
>
> Do you think Palin wants Creationism taught in school
On 9/2/08, William Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Every time a cult member brings up creation, the teacher should react with a
> > "sh, shhht, szt!" all Austin Powers like?
That's funny as hell.
> nah, they should probably be more polite and say, "crackpot,
> sky-faerie, death-cult fantasie
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 4:21 PM, William Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> nah, they should probably be more polite and say, "crackpot,
> sky-faerie, death-cult fantasies are not scientifically valid and
> therefore have no place in a science classroom."
>
Shee-zpt!
~
> Every time a cult member brings up creation, the teacher should react with a
> "sh, shhht, szt!" all Austin Powers like?
nah, they should probably be more polite and say, "crackpot,
sky-faerie, death-cult fantasies are not scientifically valid and
therefore have no place in a science classroom."
Every time a cult member brings up creation, the teacher should react with a
"sh, shhht, szt!" all Austin Powers like?
-Cameron
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 3:16 PM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Math doesn't have to bother itself with explaining why religion is not
> mathematicsbiology cla
Math doesn't have to bother itself with explaining why religion is not
mathematicsbiology class shouldn't be hindered with that pointlessness
either.
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Isn't it the perfect chance for the teacher to smack it down?
> Explain how u
Do you think Palin wants Creationism taught in school?
On 9/2/08, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 12:44 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: M
nal Message-
>> From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 12:44 PM
>> To: CF-Community
>> Subject: Re: McCain's VP want's Creationism taught in Science Class
>>
>> I thnik when it comes to cosmology there is room for a stud
> -Original Message-
> From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 12:44 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: McCain's VP want's Creationism taught in Science Class
>
> I thnik when it comes to cosmology there is room for a stud
Isn't it the perfect chance for the teacher to smack it down?
Explain how unscientific it is?
On 9/2/08, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well, why ask the question?
>
> I could ask a question about God in my Math classand it would be equally
> out of place. Teacher would say "That is beyo
I'll agree with you there.
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 11:12 AM, Beth Fleischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>I thnik when it comes to cosmology there is room for a student to say
>> but what if it was god not a lightning bolt? I agree that the answer
>> is that there is no telling, but you seem to be s
>I thnik when it comes to cosmology there is room for a student to say
> but what if it was god not a lightning bolt? I agree that the answer
> is that there is no telling, but you seem to be saying that the
> student shouldn't even get to ask the question. I submit that the
> question probably get
why not? That is what learning is about. I don't think we should be
teaching it as an alternate universe thing, but I don't think we
should be legislating what badthink is
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:53 AM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well, why ask the question?
>
> I could ask a questi
Well, why ask the question?
I could ask a question about God in my Math classand it would be equally
out of place. Teacher would say "That is beyond the scope of this
classlet's continue."
End of discussion.
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I thnik when
I thnik when it comes to cosmology there is room for a student to say
but what if it was god not a lightning bolt? I agree that the answer
is that there is no telling, but you seem to be saying that the
student shouldn't even get to ask the question. I submit that the
question probably gets asked e
Sam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 11:41 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: McCain's VP want's Creationism taught in Science Class
> >
> > Not really, ID doesn't challenge evolution it looks to answers the
> > questio
Wow...
In Math class, I believe that 2 + 2 = Donald Duck. I demand a discussion.
In History class, I believe that Dewey really did defeat Truman, and was
president for 38 years. I demand a discussion
In English class, I believe that a "." is really called a "comma", and I
DEMAND a discussion.
S
> -Original Message-
> From: Sam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 11:41 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: McCain's VP want's Creationism taught in Science Class
>
> Not really, ID doesn't challenge evolution it looks
Exactly, so why is it an issue?
On 9/2/08, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> since when is discussion not allowed?
>
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 9:51 AM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> Not really, ID doesn't challenge ev
since when is discussion not allowed?
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 9:51 AM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Not really, ID doesn't challenge evolution it looks to answers the
>> questions evolution can't, the beginning. She didn't
I actually learned about intelligent design in second grade...in my
religion class.
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I thought we were talking high school not second grade :)
>
> On 9/2/08, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > I believe the world was c
I thought we were talking high school not second grade :)
On 9/2/08, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> I believe the world was created by a 6 foot tall asparagus sprig named
> "Gus"..i demand that we be allowed to discuss this in biology class.
>
> Teach the controversy.
>
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Not really, ID doesn't challenge evolution it looks to answers the
> questions evolution can't, the beginning. She didn't say it should be
> taught in science class, she did say if a question was asked about it
> discussion should b
Not really, ID doesn't challenge evolution it looks to answers the
questions evolution can't, the beginning. She didn't say it should be
taught in science class, she did say if a question was asked about it
discussion should be allowed.
On 9/2/08, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well played,
Well played, both of you...and exactly 100% correct. Just because Palin's
position won't be legislatively dangerous, it shows an ignorance and a lack
of understanding that should give people pause.
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 5:16 PM, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 a
- Original Message -
From: "Dana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community"
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 4:56 AM
Subject: Re: McCain's VP want's Creationism taught in Science Class
> yeah weren't you the one saying abortion was the
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> Indicating in any way that there is any serious scientific contender to
> evolution is disingenuous.
Yup. It's kinda like saying you are open to debate about the moon being
made of cheese.
-Cameron
> -Original Message-
> From: Sam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 4:14 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: McCain's VP want's Creationism taught in Science Class
>
> She added that, if elected, she would not push the state B
Odd how wired left out a bit from the article it quoted:
In an interview Thursday, Palin said she meant only to say that
discussion of alternative views should be allowed to arise in Alaska
classrooms:
"I don't think there should be a prohibition against debate if it
comes up in class. It doesn'
On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 6:46 PM, Vivec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I guess they've won the entire midwest with this one.
>
> "Republican vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin wants creationism
> taught in science classes."
That sucks.
Assuming all of that is true, I agree.
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 7:18 PM, Larry Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>this is pretty questionable. I only got halfway through the article
>>due to time constraints but it requires parsing to decide who was
>>abusing power here. If it was Palin that would
their parents never
> should have had them.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Dana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Community"
> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 10:17 AM
> Subject: Re: McCain's VP want's Creationism taught in Science Class
oh sure but you know what "should" is a big word and I don't think I
should be making that call for someone else, and vice versa.
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 5:53 PM, denstar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Dana wrote:
>> mm. Don't really know a thing about the woman, bu
I guess if farming them out is in their best interest, their parents never
should have had them.
- Original Message -
From: "Dana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community"
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: McCain's VP want's Creati
Of course it's Same Old, Same Old.
Look, we're all well aware that things are freaking insane-- but we
are rather comfortable anyways, so screw it!, right?
It's sorta entertaining, from a certain perspective... but from a
progressive viewpoint... we're going nowhere, and not too fast.
The people
>this is pretty questionable. I only got halfway through the article
>due to time constraints but it requires parsing to decide who was
>abusing power here. If it was Palin that would of course be wrong. If
>the ex brother in law was in fact a violent drunk who was also a cop,
>that is of course a
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Dana wrote:
> mm. Don't really know a thing about the woman, but "farming them out"
> might actually be in their best interest, ever consider that? Maybe
> they are better off with her income but without the dad playing a role
> for which he turns out not to be wel
mm. Don't really know a thing about the woman, but "farming them out"
might actually be in their best interest, ever consider that? Maybe
they are better off with her income but without the dad playing a role
for which he turns out not to be well suited. Maybe her mom loves them
to death and is a g
>
> What no one has mentioned was the current scandal Sarah Palin is involved
> in - her using her powers of governor to get an ex-brother-in-law fired
> >?from the State Police. Then when the Commissioner of the State Police
> objected, she had him fired. Not exactly the squeaky clean image th
> you seriously think she should stay home? Sorry, but I very much
> disagree. I think that's santimonious crap and I don't care if the
> person spewing it DOES think she's a feminist. For once I agree with
> Robert on this one, even if he is on the right side for all the wrong
> reasons. I think s
this is pretty questionable. I only got halfway through the article
due to time constraints but it requires parsing to decide who was
abusing power here. If it was Palin that would of course be wrong. If
the ex brother in law was in fact a violent drunk who was also a cop,
that is of course a probl
We disagree about her, but I agree with you about her right to decide
whether she stays at home or works.
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 7:36 AM, Dana wrote:
> you seriously think she should stay home? Sorry, but I very much
> disagree. I think that's santimonious crap and I don't care if the
> person s
>A religious right woman with a pregnant 17 year old.
>
>http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/08/30/off-to-the-land-of-palin/
>
What no one has mentioned was the current scandal Sarah Palin is involved in -
her using her powers of governor to get an ex-brother-in-law fired from the
State Police. T
I will add to that however, that if she starts to talk about "family
values" or juggling work and home, or to cast aspersions on other
people's choices, it's a different ball game. Starting from zero
however, my initial take is that people have the family they have and
they need to do what seems be
you seriously think she should stay home? Sorry, but I very much
disagree. I think that's santimonious crap and I don't care if the
person spewing it DOES think she's a feminist. For once I agree with
Robert on this one, even if he is on the right side for all the wrong
reasons. I think she and her
On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 11:54 PM, Robert Munn wrote:
> out loud. Once again, this would so not be any kind of an issue if she
> were a man.
OMFG!
I can see it now... neo-feminists!
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