RE: New Hampshire man arrested for firing gun into ground while catching suspected burglar

rsday, March 01, 2012 1:52 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: New Hampshire man arrested for firing gun into ground while catching suspected burglar On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > Do they have 2010 stats to compare with what we

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e: New Hampshire man arrested for firing gun into ground while > catching suspected burglar > > > "I'd prefer relatively neutral sources for the data, like the FBI Crime > Stats for firearm stats or the NITSA or NIIHS for the vehicle information." > > > Coo

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On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > Do they have 2010 stats to compare with what weposted? http://www.lawyersandsettlements.com/case/tylenol.html Studies indicate that acetaminophen overdose results in over 56,000 injuries, 2,500 hospitaliza

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Do they have 2010 stats to compare with what weposted? -Original Message- From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 9:57 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: New Hampshire man arrested for firing gun into ground while catching suspected burglar &quo

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"I'd prefer relatively neutral sources for the data, like the FBI Crime Stats for firearm stats or the NITSA or NIIHS for the vehicle information." Cool. Here are some FBI numbers from 2005. The seven least violent states are all shall-issue right-to-carry (RTC). Of the seven most violent sta

RE: New Hampshire man arrested for firing gun into ground while catching suspected burglar

Intent is everything -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:20 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: New Hampshire man arrested for firing gun into ground while catching suspected burglar I never said handguns == cars. In 2008

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Guns don't kill peopleI do. On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > So, its not so much how many people guns kill, its how many people > guns kill in relation to how many guns don't kill people? OK, I will > admit it..I ma being snarky > > However, every year I bet there ar

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That would not make me feel better. Usually when you insult me I need to break out the dictionary. :D On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > If it will make you feel any better I can insult you for a while. > -- Scott Stroz --- You can make things happen, you c

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So, its not so much how many people guns kill, its how many people guns kill in relation to how many guns don't kill people? OK, I will admit it..I ma being snarky However, every year I bet there are probably millions of bullets fired at shooting ranges, competitions, law enforcement training, fo

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I'd prefer relatively neutral sources for the data, like the FBI Crime Stats for firearm stats or the NITSA or NIIHS for the vehicle information. On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > I never said handguns == cars. > > In 2008 firearms caused 10.8 deaths per 100,000 - http://b

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If it will make you feel any better I can insult you for a while. On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > Aw..shucks...I am really feeling the love...you guys and gals sure are > swell > > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 8:29 AM, GMoney wrote: >> >> This is why Judah's opinions ar

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Obviously you never saw the movie Christine. On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:26 AM, GMoney wrote: > > Yet at the same time those hand guns and cars were killing people, billions > and billions of trips were completed safely where a car was used to > transport a person from point A to point B. Hand g

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On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > I never said handguns == cars. > > In 2008 firearms caused 10.8 deaths per 100,000 - http://bit.ly/xRmGzM > In 2008 automobile accidents caused 12.30 per 100,000 - > http://1.usa.gov/xBkg0V > > (And I will state now that I did not go check

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I never said handguns == cars. In 2008 firearms caused 10.8 deaths per 100,000 - http://bit.ly/xRmGzM In 2008 automobile accidents caused 12.30 per 100,000 - http://1.usa.gov/xBkg0V (And I will state now that I did not go check the political affiliation of the group in the first link- so Larry m

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On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > Aw..shucks...I am really feeling the love...you guys and gals sure are > swell > Now if i could only get you to retire that silly "hand guns = cars" argument, we'd be best buds :) ~

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Aw..shucks...I am really feeling the love...you guys and gals sure are swell On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 8:29 AM, GMoney wrote: > > This is why Judah's opinions are respected on this list, even when people > disagree with them, and you are considered a joke, Eric. > > I too disagree with Scott,

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"what I am astating is that articles in a peer reviewed journal has much more weight than an ideologically based report by a thinktank that gets most of its money from spreaking hysertia." That would be great if you actually used the criteria as a two way street. J - Suppose you were an idiot

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This is why Judah's opinions are respected on this list, even when people disagree with them, and you are considered a joke, Eric. I too disagree with Scott, but he's not a shill...he just has a different opinion. Debate him on the merits of his arguments, don't attack him ad hominem. And it suc

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they serve poutine in a bowl in Ontario?? On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Vivec wrote: > > This made me laugh...:-) > Just suddenly popped up after reading a rather serious series of posts > hahahha :-) > I had to read it twice before my brain caught up. > > "What? They beat each other with h

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They are going to kill people with matchbox cars? *grin* sorry couldn't resist... -Original Message- From: PT [mailto:cft...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 7:49 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: New Hampshire man arrested for firing gun into ground while catching susp

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kill. -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 7:12 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: New Hampshire man arrested for firing gun into ground while catching suspected burglar I said 'accidentally' - no one is going to empty a magazi

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No, but the contents of them do, just as the contents on guns are the real killers. (if you're going to make a bad analogy I'll play along) On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:26 AM, Vivec wrote: > > Do spoons make people fat? ~| Order

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You know, gun laws, or the lack of, probably have nothing to do with levels of violence. I dare say it is culturally driven. Guns just happen to be convenient. Many people with access to them have no respect for the weapon or what it means to use one. They also lack the self-discipline tha

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I said 'accidentally' - no one is going to empty a magazine into a group of people 'accidentally'. A bus can carry what 30-40 people? A moment of absentmindedness and we have a tragedy. Granted, not the same as someone purposely going on a rampage, but that does not make it any less preventable.

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up until the republican congress and Bush II repealed the assault gun law, clips for both rifles and pistols were limited to 10 rounds. Now there is no real limit. That's why the Tuscon shooter was able to use a large capacity clip and was changing to another 30 round clip when he was tackled. Wit

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You mean like in places like Canada? There are very tight restrictions on handguns there and it seems to be very effective in reducing firearm deaths. As for your last comment, well I try and use what the data suggest, from reputable sources, like peer reviewed journals, the FBI statistics and or

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Admitted I use the phrase reich wing very frequently, mainly because of the similarity of the extreme right wing and the attitudes of the freikorps and other right wing groups of the late 20's and early '30's in Germany. On Monday, February 27, 2012, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: > > Does anyone els

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what I am astating is that articles in a peer reviewed journal has much more weight than an ideologically based report by a thinktank that gets most of its money from spreaking hysertia. On Monday, February 27, 2012, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "NO I went to their website and then went to a couple o

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You are wrong on this one, the NRA is not a fascist reich wing organization, its just a reich wing organization. Its more concerned with bilking the gullible than deutschland über alles. On Monday, February 27, 2012, Eric Roberts wrote: > > Seriously...just because the CDC and the NRA supplied p

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Agreed, Scott is a sh*t disturber rather than an NRA shill. On Monday, February 27, 2012, Judah McAuley wrote: > > I don't believe that in the slightest. > > On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Eric Roberts > > wrote: > > > > Well...Scott is an NRA parrot... > > > > ~~

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Since most firearms used are hand guns, and most are either semi-auto clip fed or a revolver, you can easily and quickly kill 6-9 people if you know what you are doing. (that based on a revolver having 6 rounds and most handguns have 9 round clips (yes that does vary). if you are there to do some

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Just as much of a jackass as you are with making arguments that have no correlation to the discussion... On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > Wow..I almost forgot how much of a judgmental jackass you are too. > > On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Eric Roberts > wrote: > > >

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I try to rely upon a combination of personal experience, logical deduction and inference and expert analysis. My intuition tells me that there is no way in hell that airplanes can possibly stay up in the air. However, I understand the physics behind it and trust the physics because of the repeate

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Thanx for looking out! My problem with most gun control measures I have read is that they only seem to make it difficult for law abiding citizens to get fire arms. If something comes along that will make it more difficult for the criminals to get guns, I'd be all for it. In my defense, though, d

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Does anyone else instantly tune out anybody that uses terms like "reich wing", or "socialist" or "MSM"? I have pretty much come to the conclusion that usage of those types of labels is a pretty clear indicator that the person is not worth debating on any subject. Sigh. On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 4

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"NO I went to their website and then went to a couple of charity watchdog sites, such as ttp://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cf ?bay=search.summary&orgid=10196 and looked them up. I also did the same for the Harvard School

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Along those same lines, I wonder how easy it is to accidentally kill multiple people with a gun? Its pretty easy to kill multiple people by accident with a car. On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: >> >> On Mon, Feb 27,

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I'm not defending the NRA. I do not care for them. I also did not agree with Scott's analogy between vehicle deaths and gun deaths as you must have noticed. I do not, however, believe that Scott is anything like an NRA "parrot" as you called him and I do not see anything in his statements that sho

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Wow..I almost forgot how much of a judgmental jackass you are too. On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > Well...Scott is an NRA parrot... > > > On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > >> >> Also, just for personal clarification, I am not anti-gun or even >> an

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Should we just start calling you Scarecrow? On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > Please show me where I said it was, I must have missed that. > > Do you not find it alarming that so many people die from the use of an > item that is not designed solely with the purpose of kill

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Please show me where I said it was, I must have missed that. Do you not find it alarming that so many people die from the use of an item that is not designed solely with the purpose of killing? On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > Strawman/red herring... a car ia not an item

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Seriously...just because the CDC and the NRA supplied propganda statements disagee...the CDDC must be wrong. nevermind that it is a nonpartisan agency...and the NRA is a fascist reich wing one... On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > I don't believe that in the slightest. >

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I don't believe that in the slightest. On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > Well...Scott is an NRA parrot... > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp

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Well...Scott is an NRA parrot... On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > Also, just for personal clarification, I am not anti-gun or even > anti-hand gun. I enjoy shooting, though I do not currently own a gun. > I do own a car. I feel more comfortable having a car around my 5

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Strawman/red herring... a car ia not an item designed solely with the purpose of killing. Nice try... On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Eric Roberts > wrote: > > > > it's a lot harder to kill multiple people with a knife than it is to fir

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Also, just for personal clarification, I am not anti-gun or even anti-hand gun. I enjoy shooting, though I do not currently own a gun. I do own a car. I feel more comfortable having a car around my 5 year old than I do having a gun around my 5 year old. As she gets older, I'm sure that will change

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On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Eric Roberts > wrote: >> >> it's a lot harder to kill multiple people with a knife than it is to fire >> off several rounds from a firearm.  talk about red herrings...you just >> stated a years worth of tha

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On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > it's a lot harder to kill multiple people with a knife than it is to fire > off several rounds from a firearm.  talk about red herrings...you just > stated a years worth of that catch... And its even easier to run them over with a car, yet

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I think it is Ironic that the American criminologist is from a town called Battleground and the Canadian guy's last name is Mauser... On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > NO I went to their website and then went to a couple of charity > watchdog sites, such as > > http://ww

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NO I went to their website and then went to a couple of charity watchdog sites, such as http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=10196 and looked them up. I also did the same for the Harvard School For Public Health project I cited. That one receives money from the Joyc

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And really bad cholesterol LOL On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Medic wrote: > > In Canada our fits of depression result in us beating ourselves about the > head with a hockey stick or a bowl of poutine. In either case we usually > just end up exhausted and bruised. > > > On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 a

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"Always follow the source. The ACRU is a right wing think tank with lots of funding from extremely conservative groups. Interesting to see who is on the board:" Sure. That's why any studies you find promoting gun control are predominately generated by the left. Anyway, here's a link to the actu

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Hey don't forget sticking your head outside in the snow. Or insulting someone from Quebec or Newfoundland. On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Medic wrote: > > In Canada our fits of depression result in us beating ourselves about the > head with a hockey stick or a bowl of poutine. In either case w

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For the record, this rarely happened. Our contemporary ideas of the "Wild West" are somewhat .. romanticized. On 2/27/2012 1:49 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > Chicago’s Mayor Daley predicted that we would "go back to the Old West, you > have a gun and I have a gun and we'll settle it in the stree

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This made me laugh...:-) Just suddenly popped up after reading a rather serious series of posts hahahha :-) I had to read it twice before my brain caught up. "What? They beat each other with hockey sticks? ...well..I wonder what the statistics on that ar- wait a minute..!" On 27 February 2012 15

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In Canada our fits of depression result in us beating ourselves about the head with a hockey stick or a bowl of poutine. In either case we usually just end up exhausted and bruised. On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > Why is it suprising?

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Always follow the source. The ACRU is a right wing think tank with lots of funding from extremely conservative groups. Interesting to see who is on the board: Edwin Meese III, former U.S. Attorney General William Bradford Reynolds, former assistant U.S. Attorney General for Civil Rights James Q.

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yes...because Fox news is a such a real news source. How shocking, the Guns and God propaganda network having something positive to say about more guns... Several of the studies posted earlier stated just the opposite. States that have tighter gun control laws have lower gun related homicide rat

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it's a lot harder to kill multiple people with a knife than it is to fire off several rounds from a firearm. talk about red herrings...you just stated a years worth of that catch... The idea that increased gun related suicides is a measure of increased gun ownership in a state is not my creation

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"Compare that to the typical American attitude: The more guns you have, the less gun violence you'll have." Actually, there are studies and statistics that show this. http://theacru.org/acru/harvard_study_gun_control_is_counterproductive/ The findings of two criminologists - Prof. Don Kates and

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Again something I'll have to dig up but from what I remember there isn't a corresponding relationship between knives and homicide rates if firearms are not as available. 2 possible reasons, the impulsive nature of firearm use, and with a knife you have to be face to face with the person. On Mon,

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They can easily hang themselves with a belt, or lock themselves in the garage with the car running, or take a bottle of 'sleeping pills' - each of these things is equally as deadly in a suicide and more readily available in any household than a gun. Totally anecdotal, I know, but in almost 20 yea

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On a slightly related note. When was the last time anyone heard of a home schooled child bringing a gun to school and shooting fellow students? Simple solution: ban schools. Without schools, there will be no school shootings. On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > One of the

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But does that mean you will have considerably less suicides? If not, its a red herring...means nothing. On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > That was one of the "measures" that criminologists use to measure gun > ownership...suicide rates... > > it makes sense.  if you have

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Who is to say that the perpetrator would not have harmed these students in some other way? Liek with a knife. maybe we should ban knives, too. All of them, even 'butter' knives. They can kill people you know. Also, we should ban cars. Cars kill people. Every day...hell probably every hour. Wait.

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That is reflected in the increased homicide rates...Arizona had more gun related murders, per capita, than the City of Chicago... Eric On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 12:07 PM, GMoney wrote: > > Fine, makes sensestill, i don't really care about the guy who wants to > turn the gun on himself...i ca

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Fine, makes sensestill, i don't really care about the guy who wants to turn the gun on himself...i care about the guy who wants to turn it on someone else. On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > Its much easier to back out once you've popped the pills, call 911 get > you

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Its much easier to back out once you've popped the pills, call 911 get your stomach pumped out etc. With firearms its more difficult to back out once you pull the trigger. On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 12:54 PM, GMoney wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Eric Roberts < > ow...@threeravenscons

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On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > Why is it suprising? If there is more gun ownership, someone in a fit of > depression or just overly stressed out can very easily shoot > themselves...that is something that you rarely recover from. > s

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Why is it suprising? If there is more gun ownership, someone in a fit of depression or just overly stressed out can very easily shoot themselves...that is something that you rarely recover from. On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:44 AM, GMoney wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Vivec wrote:

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On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Vivec wrote: > > Gun suicides maybe...but do you have more suicides on the whole? > The study Larry pointed too suggests yeswhich is a bit surprising. -- Through the too many miles And the too little smiles I still remember you ~

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Gun suicides maybe...but do you have more suicides on the whole? On 27 February 2012 13:00, Eric Roberts wrote: > > That was one of the "measures" that criminologists use to measure gun > ownership...suicide rates... > > it makes sense. if you have a state where it is hard to get a gun, you are

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One of the five students shot this morning has died BTW...that was just reported on CNN. On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > Gun availability and state suicide rates, 1988-1997 (cross sectional > analysis) > Using a validated proxy for firearm ownership rates, we analyze

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Gun availability and state suicide rates, 1988-1997 (cross sectional analysis) Using a validated proxy for firearm ownership rates, we analyzed the relationship between firearm availability and suicide across 50 states over a ten year period. Major findings: After controlling for poverty and urb

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http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp0805923 http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/research/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/index.html This last reference is very extensive it compares the various rates of suicide, accidental deaths, homicide etc as a function of firearms in the house across a

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I'll have to dig up the source for this again, but I remember reading recently that if there is a handgun in the house, suicide, accidental deaths, and homicides increase by 2 or 3 times over those household who do not have handguns. On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:35 AM, GMoney wrote: > > On Mon, Fe

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That was one of the "measures" that criminologists use to measure gun ownership...suicide rates... it makes sense. if you have a state where it is hard to get a gun, you are going to have considerably less gun suicides. On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:43 AM, GMoney wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 27, 2012

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On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > The statistics also show that states with high gun ownership also have > higher than normal suicideand homicide rates (by using a firearm). > Meh. I don't think the two are related. I believe guns drive

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The statistics also show that states with high gun ownership also have higher than normal suicideand homicide rates (by using a firearm). On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:35 AM, GMoney wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Vivec wrote: > > > > > Well let's look at that. Is the homicide rate

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On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Vivec wrote: > > Well let's look at that. Is the homicide rate by firearm exponentially > higher in Arizona as compared to the rest of the US? > Why do people always focus on homicide rate when it comes to guns? Hand guns do far more damage every single day in

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http://www.statemaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-death-rate-per-100-000 On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > http://vpc.org/press/1110gundeath.htm > > > > On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Eric Roberts < > ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wro

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http://vpc.org/press/1110gundeath.htm On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/01/27/20110127arizona-gun-death-rate-nations-worst.html > > > On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Vivec wrote: > >> >> We

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http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/01/27/20110127arizona-gun-death-rate-nations-worst.html On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Vivec wrote: > > Well let's look at that. Is the homicide rate by firearm exponentially > higher in Arizona as compared to the rest of the US? > > On 27 February

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Well let's look at that. Is the homicide rate by firearm exponentially higher in Arizona as compared to the rest of the US? On 27 February 2012 11:41, Eric Roberts wrote: > > it would be a lot harder for criminals to get guns if they were not so > readily available. Would it stop the flow compl

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It looks like Virginia will be joining that group. The republican legislature rescinded the ban on purchasing more than 1 handgun a month. So there is going to be a lot of straw-man purchases over the next while with firearms from Virginia showing up in crimes up and down the east coast. On Mon,

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http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/27/shooting-reported-at-ohio-high-school/?hpt=hp_t1 There would be four students without gunshot wounds if we had tighter gun control laws. This has nothing to do with criminals. A minor should not have easy access to a firearm like this. On Mon, Feb 27, 2012

Re: New Hampshire man arrested for firing gun into ground while catching suspected burglar

it would be a lot harder for criminals to get guns if they were not so readily available. Would it stop the flow completely...no...but it would certainly reduce the hemorrhaging... Look at what is going on in states like AZ where i can sell you a gun, as an individual, with no background checks

Re: New Hampshire man arrested for firing gun into ground while catching suspected burglar

The logical fallacy is that if guns were not available to citizens for their protection, criminals would not have guns. On 27 February 2012 11:15, Eric Roberts wrote: > > If there weren't guns on the street...or they were not as readily > available, people wouldn't be getting > shotparticula

Re: New Hampshire man arrested for firing gun into ground while catching suspected burglar

No...but spoons enable people to get fat. I normally agree with you Vivec, but that is a serious logical fallacy, If there weren't guns on the street...or they were not as readily available, people wouldn't be getting shotparticularly kids in schools. We have a huge problem with gun violence

Re: New Hampshire man arrested for firing gun into ground while catching suspected burglar

If you eat a lot of them, yes. On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Vivec wrote: > > Do spoons make people fat? > > On 27 February 2012 09:46, Eric Roberts >wrote: > > > > > As we have yet another school shooting this morning near Cleveland > OH...do > > we really need more guns on the streets? >

Re: New Hampshire man arrested for firing gun into ground while catching suspected burglar

Do spoons make people fat? On 27 February 2012 09:46, Eric Roberts wrote: > > As we have yet another school shooting this morning near Cleveland OH...do > we really need more guns on the streets? > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfus

RE: New Hampshire man arrested for firing gun into ground while catching suspected burglar

How many more people have to die before people stop replacing Viagra prescriptions with firearms? -Original Message- From: GMoney [mailto:gm0n3...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 7:36 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: New Hampshire man arrested for firing gun into ground while

Re: New Hampshire man arrested for firing gun into ground while catching suspected burglar

This is all the info they have right now. From: CNN Breaking News [mailto:breakingn...@mail.cnn.com] Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 7:39 AM To: textbreakingn...@ema3lsv06.turner.com Subject: CNN Breaking News Shooting reported at Chardon High School near Cleveland, Ohio, local law enforc

RE: New Hampshire man arrested for firing gun into ground while catching suspected burglar

As we have yet another school shooting this morning near Cleveland OH...do we really need more guns on the streets? -Original Message- From: GMoney [mailto:gm0n3...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 7:36 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: New Hampshire man arrested for firing gun

Re: New Hampshire man arrested for firing gun into ground while catching suspected burglar

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 7:27 AM, Medic wrote: > > Typical Canadian attitude (FWIW): If he wasn't carrying a gun, no one would > have gotten shot. > Compare that to the typical American attitude: The more guns you have, the less gun violence you'll have. We should ask a kindergartener which att

Re: New Hampshire man arrested for firing gun into ground while catching suspected burglar

Typical Canadian attitude (FWIW): If he wasn't carrying a gun, no one would have gotten shot. On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "OK. How about this hypothetical? You were there. You saw them try to > rob > him. He pulls out his gun and shoots them all. Instead of on

Re: New Hampshire man arrested for firing gun into ground while catching suspected burglar

"OK. How about this hypothetical? You were there. You saw them try to rob him. He pulls out his gun and shoots them all. Instead of one of the shots missing, it hits you. Wouldn't be very happy, I don't think." You're right. I wouldn't be very happy. There would also be legal repercussion

Re: New Hampshire man arrested for firing gun into ground while catching suspected burglar

OK. How about this hypothetical? You were there. You saw them try to rob him. He pulls out his gun and shoots them all. Instead of one of the shots missing, it hits you. Wouldn't be very happy, I don't think. I know. I know. You will say it is the criminals' fault, which it is, but the

Re: New Hampshire man arrested for firing gun into ground while catching suspected burglar

"That isn't what I said. I said his quick on the draw attitude is what got him the reckless endangerment verdict, which was appropriate." You said he was looking to shoot a criminal. I just assumed that you meant he wanted to shoot a criminal. Couldn't happen if no crime was perpetrated agains

Re: New Hampshire man arrested for firing gun into ground while catching suspected burglar

That isn't what I said. I said his quick on the draw attitude is what got him the reckless endangerment verdict, which was appropriate. On 2/25/2012 1:48 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "He was looking to shoot a criminal the first chance he got. You know it > and I know it." > > First off, I don't

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