I used to like you. :P
Now granted, I cant stand waiting for a group of ANY GENDER who
dilly dallies, and let me tell you, there is a fair amount of old fogeys of
both genders who can't seem to get off a tee box around these parts.
But for you to limit it to just women?! Shame on
Getting tickets to the event is quite difficult as well. As far as I
know, only practice round tickets are sold to the public, and even
then, its a lottery system.
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 10:33 PM, Maureen wrote:
>
> Augusta National has never been used as public space. Even visiting
> when the
Augusta National has never been used as public space. Even visiting
when the tournament is not happening is difficult. Members and guests
only.
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 7:36 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
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> The idea is that if a private area is used as a public space then much
> of the control a pr
So that's not inflammatory yellow press in the least.
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 10:03 PM, Brian Thornton wrote:
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> From the Financial Times today They are both going to court the
> woman vote
>
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Well I would disagree with that interpretation.
Not to mention that women are not a separate class, they are a sex, and
this golf course doesn't seem to have ever been open as a "public" area.
Way to try and take more rights through judicial activism.
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Larry C. L
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
> The idea is that if a private area is used as a public space then much
> of the control a private owner normally doesn't apply. consider
> private land that's been used as a public park - many apartment
> developments in New York do this fo
The idea is that if a private area is used as a public space then much
of the control a private owner normally doesn't apply. consider
private land that's been used as a public park - many apartment
developments in New York do this for instance. The courts have ruled
that being able to restrict a
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
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> Already addressed that.
>
> Not saying people shouldn't, rather that I think we have much more
> pressing issues to deal with than whether or not stupidly rich men
> want to allow stupidly rich women into their golf club.
>
No one's wasted
Is this specific club on public or private property?
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
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> There's also the issue of public space. There have been several court
> cases that went over this.
>
> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 3:27 PM, LRS Scout wrote:
> >
> > Where is that line blurr
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
> A few years back, there were groups making a big stink about women not
> being admitted. In order to (paraphrasing here) save their sponsors
> any trouble, August actually refunded their 'sponsorship' fees and
> paid whatever money CBS would h
Linkage for story on commercial free broadcast:
http://es.pn/HhjKmO
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
> A few years back, there were groups making a big stink about women not
> being admitted. In order to (paraphrasing here) save their sponsors
> any trouble, August actually r
A few years back, there were groups making a big stink about women not
being admitted. In order to (paraphrasing here) save their sponsors
any trouble, August actually refunded their 'sponsorship' fees and
paid whatever money CBS would have gotten for commercials. The entire
broadcast, all weekend
Already addressed that.
Not saying people shouldn't, rather that I think we have much more
pressing issues to deal with than whether or not stupidly rich men
want to allow stupidly rich women into their golf club.
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 3:53 PM, GMoney wrote:
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> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 1:58 PM,
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 3:53 PM, GMoney wrote:
> Ideally the PGA would pull the tournament and move it somewhere else. But
> obviously that aint gonna happen.
Actually - neither the PGA of America or PGA tour have anything to do with
the Masters tournament. It's a private tournament run entirel
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
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> Poor choice of words. Maybe 'force' is a bit to strong.
>
> There are people who use their 'celebrity' to try and push the issue
> (with Augusta) by making public statements about their membership
> policies. May not be 'forcing' them, maybe
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
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> Where is it obvious *why* they are a gender-specific golf club?
>
What can I say, some men like to play golf without women around, just like
some women like to workout without men around... Just as obvious in both
cases.
> I laid out a p
There's also the issue of public space. There have been several court
cases that went over this.
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 3:27 PM, LRS Scout wrote:
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> Where is that line blurry?
>
> Either they get public funds or they don't, doesn't seem to be a lot of
> grey area.
>
> Sounds like "truthiness".
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Cameron Childress wrote:
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> Right, it's just as obvious that it's a gender specific facility centered
> around sports and fitness, and they are just as clear and up front about it
> as Augusta National.
>
> Huh.
Where is it obvious *why* they are a gender-specif
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 3:32 PM, LRS Scout wrote:
> Why do I have like 6 copies of this thread?
>
Men are not allowed in certain threads.
-Cameron
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On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
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> Where did I say it was 'bad'?
You had said:
>> I also don't think either should be forced to change those policies.
>> If they receive public funds, however, then I have an issue with their
>> policies.
And then said that "forced" should p
Why do I have like 6 copies of this thread?
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
>
> Where did I say it was 'bad'?
>
> I do, however, think that are much more important things people should
> be concerned about other than trying to get a group of stupidly rich
> men to allow a stu
Where is that line blurry?
Either they get public funds or they don't, doesn't seem to be a lot of
grey area.
Sounds like "truthiness".
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
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> Exactly if they accept fed funds then they have to follow fed rules.
> however it gets more difficul
Where did I say it was 'bad'?
I do, however, think that are much more important things people should
be concerned about other than trying to get a group of stupidly rich
men to allow a stupidly rich woman join their golf club.
Priorities and all
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Judah McAuley
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
> Well, there is the giant image right in the middle of their home page
> which loudly declares: "For Women. By Women."
>
> I guess that they thought, given the number of women-only gyms out
> there, that meaning of that was pretty obvious.
Also the title of the home page. "Gym for Women."
And the images of exclusively female groups.
Actually, pretty much every single design element of the website.
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
> Well, there is the giant image right in the middle of their home page
> which
Well, there is the giant image right in the middle of their home page
which loudly declares: "For Women. By Women."
I guess that they thought, given the number of women-only gyms out
there, that meaning of that was pretty obvious.
Judah
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Cameron Childress wrote:
I'd agree with influence. But why do you think it is bad to try and
use your celebrity to influence a policy (public or private) that you
feel is outdated and discriminatory?
Cheers,
Judah
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 11:58 AM, Scott Stroz wrote:
>
> Poor choice of words. Maybe 'force' is a bit to s
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 2:53 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
> They don't seem to provide one on their website, I checked, just in
> case your statement was their mission statement. Hence, I can be
> pretty certain that isn't their mission :)
>
Ah, well I looked up Lucille Roberts, and it says nothing
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 11:58 AM, Casey Dougall - Uber Website
Solutions wrote:
>
> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 2:53 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
>
>> They don't seem to provide one on their website, I checked, just in
>> case your statement was their mission statement. Hence, I can be
>> pretty certain t
Poor choice of words. Maybe 'force' is a bit to strong.
There are people who use their 'celebrity' to try and push the issue
(with Augusta) by making public statements about their membership
policies. May not be 'forcing' them, maybe 'influence' works better.
:D
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 2:41 PM,
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 2:53 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
> They don't seem to provide one on their website, I checked, just in
> case your statement was their mission statement. Hence, I can be
> pretty certain that isn't their mission :)
>
Hey Obama what about the 3 resorts that do not allow Snow
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Cameron Childress wrote:
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> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
>
>> That isn't their mission, though, so no, it isn't the same.
>>
>
> Really? What is Augusta National's mission statement?
>
They don't seem to provide one on their website, I c
To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the
lamentations of their women!
sorry wrong barbarian.
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Cameron Childress wrote:
>
> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
>
>> That isn't their mission, though, so no, it isn't the s
Exactly if they accept fed funds then they have to follow fed rules.
however it gets more difficult to discern when the lines between
public and private become very blurred.
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
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> Both Augusta National and Lucille Roberts limit membership to their
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
> That isn't their mission, though, so no, it isn't the same.
>
Really? What is Augusta National's mission statement?
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Who is saying they should be forced to change? No one that I've seen.
People are saying they should change, yes, but forced? That's you
putting words in the mouths of others.
You wanted to know how it is different and why people aren't
complaining about Lucille Roberts. I explained.
Judah
On Th
Both Augusta National and Lucille Roberts limit membership to their
clubs based on the sex/gender (and in Augusta's case, wealth) of the
individual seeking membership.
Simplified? Maybe. Untrue? Nope.
I also don't think either should be forced to change those policies.
If they receive public fun
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Cameron Childress wrote:
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> In this way - they are the same...
>
> "Augusta National is about a space for man to play golf where they don't
> feel like they are being judged by women. The gender of the people at the
> facility is obviously directly related to the
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
> Lucille Roberts is about a space for women to
> work out where they don't feel like they are being judged by men. The
> gender of the people at the facility is obviously directly related to
> the mission, the intent of the organization.
In
Augusta gets to set their own rules, hence why no one is forcing them
to accept women and why they only just recently accepted black folks
as members.
That, however, does not mean that outside folks should not suggest
that they change their rules and that is precisely what happened in
this case.
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
> Augusta is a private club. They can allow whomever they wish. Members
> pay dues to set the rules.
>
> Not sure how its any different than, http://www.lucilleroberts.com/
The news isn't turning Lucille Roberts into an issue (yet).
-Cameron
Augusta is a private club. They can allow whomever they wish. Members
pay dues to set the rules.
Not sure how its any different than, http://www.lucilleroberts.com/
I would love to join the VFW, but, I don't meet the membership requirements.
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Cameron Childress wr
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Brian Thornton wrote:
> It's commonplace to know that the president is very careful to decide
> what to speak on and what to dodge and what not...
>
> "We've kind of passed the time that women should be excluded from
> anything," Carney said.
>
Obama should join
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