Torque...yes well. It makes the little hill just before my driveway
fairly well yes and it handles the city traffic with aplomb.
^_^
On 5/9/06, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> You should have more torque, though, right? That's the beauty of diesels IMO.
~~~
> Gelly wrote:
> I have a Freelander which is a TDi engine and I'm satisfied with it.
> Can't tell the difference between petrol and the TDi except at the gas
> pump.
>
You should have more torque, though, right? That's the beauty of diesels IMO.
~
On 5/8/06, Gruss Gott wrote:
> Heh, LOL. No, I wasn't trying to ding Honda at all, I wouldn't
> hesitate to buy one. Despite my bad experience I write my problem off
> as random Gremlins.
Well, if you're buying AMC Gremlins, no wonder you have problems!
--Ben
~
I have a Freelander which is a TDi engine and I'm satisfied with it.
Can't tell the difference between petrol and the TDi except at the gas
pump.
Also, it smokes a bit because of the quality of fuel we have here, but it works.
We've had TDi here in our cars probably for as long as it's been out in
Hmm, Audi had a sudden excel ration problem, not a blow up problem.
Seems they were both made up charges anyway.
Pintos didn't really explode and Audi's problem was attributed to user error.
On 5/9/06, Scott Stewart wrote:
> So the Ford Pinto wasn't the only rolling bomb...
>
~~~
So the Ford Pinto wasn't the only rolling bomb...
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From: Sam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 12:44 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Hybrid drivers:
On 5/9/06, Gruss Gott wrote:
> And engineers make mistakes all of the time which is why yo
> Once I bought a Toyota, then the next day my dog died, then a tree
> fell on my car followed by a large meteor. My car then burst into
> flames and somehow shifted into gear, driving full speed into my
> house, destroying my living room, Tivo and all.
>
> Man, I'll never buy a Tivo again!
Man,
On 5/9/06, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I bought a brand new Honda, drove it about 200 miles, had an engine
> fire that started in the carburator blow back, and destroyed the car.
> Never again.
Once I bought a Toyota, then the next day my dog died, then a tree
fell on my car followed by a
On 5/9/06, Gruss Gott wrote:
> And engineers make mistakes all of the time which is why you see so
> many recalls. But the real demon is when the process is such that
> there's no outcome other than poor quality.
Remember the exploding Audi's? Hit them in the rear and the self-destruct.
> For e
> Maureen wrote:
> I bought a brand new Honda, drove it about 200 miles, had an engine
> fire that started in the carburator blow back, and destroyed the car.
Holy crap! I hope you had no injuries.
It is interesting how businesses look at these experiences though.
They know that the price they
I bought a brand new Honda, drove it about 200 miles, had an engine
fire that started in the carburator blow back, and destroyed the car.
Never again.
On 5/8/06, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I owned a 98 Civic for 8.5 years, drove it 140k+ miles, never had to
> bring it to the
She's fine. She is a magnet for people who aren't paying attention (actually
she is forever claiming that I don't pay attention when whe's talking but
that's another issue) She was rear ended twice, almost a year apart to the day
in the same intersection. Once heading east at a stop light and t
> Cam wrote:
> Due to my
> one positive experience with Honda, I hereby declare that you are
> wrong. :)
>
Heh, LOL. No, I wasn't trying to ding Honda at all, I wouldn't
hesitate to buy one. Despite my bad experience I write my problem off
as random Gremlins.
Having worked in operations/manufa
> 1987 Accord - 275,000 + running strong when my wife totalled it.
>
> 1991 Acura - 310,000 + runnning strong when my wife totalled it.
Sheesh, hope your wife's okay!
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I drive far more than your average person. In recent years I have reduced my
driving considerably and still put 25k + on a vehicle a year.
I've had several Hondas and loved them all.
1987 Accord - 275,000 + running strong when my wife totalled it.
1991 Acura - 310,000 + runnning strong when
On 5/8/06, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My 1996 accord coupe blew a drive shaft gasket at 60k miles and just
> about any mechanic wanted $1500 to fix it. F-that!
I owned a 98 Civic for 8.5 years, drove it 140k+ miles, never had to
bring it to the shop for anything but routine maintenan
On 5/8/06, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Cam wrote:
> > statistical data collected and analyzed by consumer reports
> > magazine... no, not anecdotal...
>
> Well, I could say this: "Ha ha! I was waiting for someone to try to
> justify 'statistics' - you've made my week!" But I won't.
> Scott wrote:
> I can't vouch for new VW's but based on this one I wouldn't buy another
>
In my experience this is true of any make, any model. You're taking a
risk no matter what the statistics. You could've easily bought a
Honda and had the same problem. I did.
My 1996 accord coupe blew a d
> Cam wrote:
> statistical data collected and analyzed by consumer reports
> magazine... no, not anecdotal...
>
Well, I could say this: "Ha ha! I was waiting for someone to try to
justify 'statistics' - you've made my week!" But I won't. That would
be a useless post :-)
Instead I'll say that,
ase notify
us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your
computer.
-Original Message-
From: Cameron Childress [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 5:36 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Hybrid drivers:
FINALLY!
I can't tell you how dissapointed
statistical data collected and analyzed by consumer reports
magazine... no, not anecdotal...
On 5/5/06, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Cam wrote:
> > A bonus anecdote! What a Friday!
> >
>
> Wouldn't all of the evidence be anecdotal?
>
>
~
I missed this thread. I had a roomate sophomore year in college who had a
Jetta. POS. He had this idling problem where it would idle so low that the
engine would shut off. They never could fix it. The dealer finally had to
give him a new car under the lemon laws.
On 5/5/06, Cameron Childress <[EMA
> Cam wrote:
> A bonus anecdote! What a Friday!
>
Wouldn't all of the evidence be anecdotal?
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A bonus anecdote! What a Friday!
-Cameron
On 5/5/06, Crow T. Robot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I a big VW fan, but I didn't want to get into it. But, since it is
> Friday afternoon, I'll bite. :)
>
> I owned quite a few VW's, including my wife's Chicky-Jetta right now.
>
> The only one I had
I a big VW fan, but I didn't want to get into it. But, since it is
Friday afternoon, I'll bite. :)
I owned quite a few VW's, including my wife's Chicky-Jetta right now.
The only one I had a problem with was my '90 Corrado, but even then, it
was just a small transmission problem (bad synchro),
FINALLY!
I can't tell you how dissapointed I was that no-one on the list
pointed out antecdoteal evidence that contradicts years of fairly
consistant consumer reports data showing that VWs have some of the
worst reliability stats of any car our there.
My week is now complete!
-Cameron
On 5/5/0
> Cam wrote:
> require alot of maintenance and break down alot. (ie: VW)
I've been driving VWish cars for 10 years and not had a problem.
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Regular cars are around 10-20% off while hybrids are 40-50% off.
On 5/5/06, Ian Skinner wrote:
>
> But this bias exists for all vehicles. It's just 40% of 60 is a more
> noticeable difference then 40% of 30.
>
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It's pretty widely accepted that because of the way the test is
administered, the EPA test gives Hybrids an advantage in it's milage
estimates. We've talked about this at length on this list.
-Cameron
On 5/5/06, Ian Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Did they base that on EPA mileage or actual
Did they base that on EPA mileage or actual mileage?
The EPA for hybrids averages 40% higher than actual because they measure
exhaust not fuel use.
But this bias exists for all vehicles. It's just 40% of 60 is a more
noticeable difference then 40% of 30.
--
Ian Skinner
Web Program
i think Mike was his first name.
>
>
> "Walter McManus over at Hybrid Cars published "
>
> Wasn't Walter McManus Stephen Baldwin's character in The Usual Supects?
>
>
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> On 5/5/06, Zaphod Beeblebrox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> http://www.autobloggreen.com/2006/05/05/hybrid-cars-might-be-more-cost-advantageous-than-consumer-report/
>>
>> or
>>
>> *http://tinyurl.com/qhlll*
>>
"Walter McManus over at Hybrid Cars published "
Wasn't Walter McManus Stephen Ba
Did they base that on EPA mileage or actual mileage?
The EPA for hybrids averages 40% higher than actual because they
measure exhaust not fuel use.
On 5/5/06, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
> http://www.autobloggreen.com/2006/05/05/hybrid-cars-might-be-more-cost-advantageous-than-consumer-report/
>
> o
Hey, I think it's great that people are driving Hybrids. Whatever it
takes to convince yourself, I'm all for it!
-Cameron
On 5/5/06, Zaphod Beeblebrox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://www.autobloggreen.com/2006/05/05/hybrid-cars-might-be-more-cost-advantageous-than-consumer-report/
>
> or
>
>
Now here is a hybrid electric vehicle that may not be cost effective, but could
be handy in congested traffic situations.
http://www.gizmag.com/watermark.php?p=4304_220705121648.jpg
Other Pictures:
http://www.gizmag.com/go/4304/gallery/
A brief description of the vehicle, the hybrid drive is de
http://www.autobloggreen.com/2006/05/05/hybrid-cars-might-be-more-cost-advantageous-than-consumer-report/
or
*http://tinyurl.com/qhlll*
On 5/3/06, Ian Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Edmunds.com has done an article on this and they predict that gas would
> have to be at least "$5.60 per g
You and I both used the word "typically", but I think you didn't see mine.
-Cameron
On 5/3/06, Zaphod Beeblebrox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> h.most diesels are warranted for 100K.whereas they can typically
> run for 250K ~ 500K
>
> On 5/3/06, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wro
h.most diesels are warranted for 100K.whereas they can typically
run for 250K ~ 500K
On 5/3/06, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 5/3/06, Ian Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > This is true for many of the Johnny-come-lately models, yes. But Toyota
> > has been m
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Hybrid drivers:
>
> On 5/3/06, Ian Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > This is true for many of the Johnny-come-lately models, yes. But Toyota
> > has been making the Prius for over ten years now. I suspect they have
> an
> > id
On 5/3/06, Ian Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I save $10 - $15 a week over my old 1991 Corolla. I do not know
> compared to a Matrix, I have never driven one of them. I presume
> one would have to do something with the EPA values.
I presume it's not cheaper to drive a Hybrid (today).
-Cam
On 5/3/06, Ian Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is true for many of the Johnny-come-lately models, yes. But Toyota
> has been making the Prius for over ten years now. I suspect they have an
> idea how their cars are holding up. And mine came with a 10 year 100,000
> mile warranty on the
economical for us to get the
hybrid.
> -Original Message-
> From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 4:36 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Hybrid drivers:
>
> One of the problems is that there is little knowledge on how long hybri
One of the problems is that there is little knowledge on how long hybrids last
and their upkeep cost over that many years.
This is true for many of the Johnny-come-lately models, yes. But Toyota has
been making the Prius for over ten years now. I suspect they have an idea how
their cars are h
Ok, so that car looks to be about $3,500 less than a Prius in my area. How
much $$ do you save a week on gas?
-Cameron
I save $10 - $15 a week over my old 1991 Corolla. I do not know compared to a
Matrix, I have never driven one of them. I presume one would have to do
something with the EPA
, May 03, 2006 12:57 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Hybrid drivers:
One of the problems is that there is little knowledge on how long hybrids
last and their upkeep cost over that many years.
When we went to buy a car last year we looked at the Hybrid Ford Escape, and
they said that they wouldn&#
Message-
> From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 12:19 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Hybrid drivers:
>
> Ok how does that break down for somebody who is driving 25,000 miles a
> year and plans on keeping the car for 10 year
Ok, so that car looks to be about $3,500 less than a Prius in my area.
How much $$ do you save a week on gas?
-Cameron
On 5/3/06, Ian Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No fault in the argument, though the fact that there is no such thing as a
> non-hybrib Prius does make comparisons a little
On 5/3/06, Ian Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ok how does that break down for somebody who is driving 25,000 miles a
> year and plans on keeping the car for 10 years? That's how long I kept
> my previous vehicle a Toyota Corolla.
Good question, and not one anyone here is qualified to answer
Edmunds.com has done an article on this and they predict that gas would have to
be at least "$5.60 per gallon for hybrid drivers to break even if they drove
15,000 miles per year over the five years"
Ok how does that break down for somebody who is driving 25,000 miles a year and
plans on keepin
No fault in the argument, though the fact that there is no such thing as a
non-hybrib Prius does make comparisons a little more difficult.
Well there is, if you look at body type. Toyota just calls it a "Matrix".
--
Ian Skinner
Web Programmer
BloodSource
www.BloodSource.org
Sacram
On 5/2/06, Zaphod Beeblebrox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There's a fault with this argument though. If you were considering a
> non-hybrid prius against a hybrid prius, the argument may be valid. But if
> you buy a prius to have a prius, you're not paying anything above the
> "normal' cost.
No
There's a fault with this argument though. If you were considering a
non-hybrid prius against a hybrid prius, the argument may be valid. But if
you buy a prius to have a prius, you're not paying anything above the
"normal' cost.
If we're going to use that argument, we all need to driving old geo
On 5/1/06, Ian Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > scott, I'm not sure what the battery life is, however - the net cost of
> > driving a
> > hybrid is probably going to be higher than your jeep simply because of the
> > additional cost of the hybrid car itself.
>
>
> What extra net cost have I
I know what you mean, I have a jeep now also, I was driving a v6 honda accord
before that so my gas mileage is very close to what I was driving before. I
would not like driving a small car again. I get 19 miles a gallon with it.
Bob
scott, I'm not sure what the battery life is, however - the net cost of driving
a hybrid is probably going to be higher than your jeep simply because of the
additional cost of the hybrid car itself.
What extra net cost have I been paying for the past year? So far it has been
10 gallons of gas
onday, May 01, 2006 11:17 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Hybrid drivers:
Congrats! Very exciting. The corolla is a great car.
Scott Stewart wrote:
> Carpooling and public transportation are not viable options, because 1) no
> one I work with lives close to me and 2) public transportation in
ify
> us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your
> computer.
> -Original Message-
> From: Cameron Childress [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 9:09 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Hybrid drivers:
>
> scott, I'm not
: Hybrid drivers:
scott, I'm not sure what the battery life is, however - the net cost
of driving a hybrid is probably going to be higher than your jeep
simply because of the additional cost of the hybrid car itself.
if you are strictly looking to save money, carpooling or takeing
public transport
If you're driving 29 miles one way how much of that is highway miles? The
hybrid is not going to help you save much money if you drive highway miles. A
small compact car will help you, but I guess you need to do the math on how
much 10 miles more per gallon is going to save you compared to the c
Also consider the Honda Civic non-hybrid. It's an ultra-low emissions
vehicle and it also gets great mileage! Many people are choosing these
as an alternative to the hybrid, based on the cost-benefit balance.
Cameron Childress wrote:
> scott, I'm not sure what the battery life is, however -
scott, I'm not sure what the battery life is, however - the net cost
of driving a hybrid is probably going to be higher than your jeep
simply because of the additional cost of the hybrid car itself.
if you are strictly looking to save money, carpooling or takeing
public transportation is still goi
I'm not sure anybody really knows yet.
> -Original Message-
> From: Scott Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 4:28 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Hybrid drivers:
>
> What's the average lifespan of a hybrid car? When the batteries fail,
> what's
> the replace
The main battery on my Prius is warranteed by Toyota for 10 years; longer then
anything else on the vehicle.
I also bought used, but I was lucky enough to find a 1 year old low millage
deal last year.
--
Ian Skinner
Web Programmer
BloodSource
www.BloodSource.org
Sacramento, CA
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