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From: Angel Stewart
These acts had absolutely nothing to do with interrogation.
-Gel
>From an interview on CNN:
(CNN) -- A former Army interrogator who now owns Team Delta, a company whose
most popular course is Prisoner of War Interrogation/Resistance Training,
.
larry
-Original Message-
From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 1:41 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: POW Abuses in IRaq..
- Original Message -
From: Angel Stewart
These acts had absolutely nothing to do with interrogation
Alright can somebody give my a brief synopsis of this Stanford Study.I tried googling, but because of all the coverage in the current new mentioning this study I just get reference after reference to new article referencing the study.Not having any luck getting details about the study itself.
Try Philip Zimbardo, he was the chief researcher for that project.
larry
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From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 2:25 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: POW Abuses in Iraq..
Alright can somebody give my a brief synopsis
, May 07, 2004 2:45 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: POW Abuses in Iraq..
Try Philip Zimbardo, he was the chief researcher for that project.
larry
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From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 2:25 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject
I'm familiar with it, as any Psych 101 student is. I'm just cynically amused
that it takes an event like this to finally get it to hit home. There are
prison abuses all the time, but Abu Ghraib has such a geopolitical impact
that it can't help but be noticed.
IMO though, it will be unfortunate
The only solid suggestion I've heard to date is that Bush should fire Rumsfeld (not wait for a resignation) and then completely raze the prison.
Sort of like the high amputation that was the only first aid for plutonium poisoning during the Manhattan project.
It won't happen, but I can't see
police,
and never were trained as prison guards.
larry
-Original Message-
From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 3:01 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: POW Abuses in IRaq..
I'm familiar with it, as any Psych 101 student is. I'm just
cynically
police,
and never were trained as prison guards.
larry
-Original Message-
From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 3:01 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: POW Abuses in IRaq..
I'm familiar with it, as any Psych 101 student is. I'm just
cynically
I was digging around on Philip Zimbardo's website and found this very
interesting article he had for download:
A Situationist Perspective on the Psychology of Evil: Understanding How Good
People Are Transformed into Perpetrators (2003)
http://www.zimbardo.com/downloads/2003%20Evil%20Chapter.pdf
That's an interesting question. Forgetting for a moment just who is
culpable. If people are found to be guilty either for the act or for
condoning it, what would be an appropriate punishment?
A friend of mine suggested a Turkish prison. We're on good terms with Turkey
right now, aren't we?
, 2004 3:24 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: POW Abuses in IRaq..
That's an interesting question. Forgetting for a moment just
who is culpable. If people are found to be guilty either for
the act or for condoning it, what would be an appropriate punishment?
A friend of mine suggested
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From: Jerry Johnson
To: CF-Community
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: POW Abuses in IRaq..
The only solid suggestion I've heard to date
I wasn't even trying to guess who might be culpable. Or what should happen to those who are.
I was just looking to see if there was ANYTHING that could be done at this point to stem the hemorrhaging of good will.
A big, bold, symbolic gesture.
Jerry Johnson
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: Jerry Johnson
To: CF-Community
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: POW Abuses in IRaq..
I wasn't even trying to guess who might be culpable. Or what should happen to
those who are.
I was just looking to see if there was ANYTHING that could be done at this
point to stem the hemorrhaging
Without getting the exact links, the facts I cited are listed on
www.cbsnews.com http://www.cbsnews.com/and www.cnn.com
http://www.cnn.com/
They are also being repeated on BBC World.
-Gel
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From: Tim Heald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Where are those facts
, 2004 11:46 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: POW Abuses in IRaq..
Here are some more:
http://rwor.org/a/1239/fallujahsidebar.htm
I still can't see anything that would prove physical
violence. Hell regular cops are allowed to lie and use
psychological tricks to get you to talk, shouldn't
If only the enlisted guards and their immediate superiors get charged, there
is a big cover-up. This is something that could only have gone on with the
tacit approval of the more senior ranks in the military.
larry
-Original Message-
From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Community
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 5:42 AM
Subject: RE: POW Abuses in IRaq..
Without getting the exact links, the facts I cited are listed on
www.cbsnews.com http://www.cbsnews.com/and www.cnn.com
http://www.cnn.com/
They are also being repeated on BBC World.
-Gel
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I think the real tragedy of this whole 'scandal', is what was done to
those men and women in the prisons by US Forces.
The other major tragedy is that if there was approval, tacit or direct,
it would mean this level of depravity runs deep in the US Armed Forces.
-Gel
-Original
and the
senior military who were responsible.
larry
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From: Doug White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 8:40 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: POW Abuses in IRaq..
The real tragedy of this whole scandal will be the low level
troops being
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Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 12:03 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: POW Abuses in IRaq..
What was depicted in these photos is in no way, shape or form acceptable
under the Geneva Convention, or under International Law. Regardless of
whether we are dealing with Americans
You know what is even more troublesome in my opinion is the way the media
sensationalizes EVERYTHING.
War is nothing to be sensationalized; this world is bad enough right outside
our very windows without seing images upon images and endless video of
bombings, death, torture, etc; we know it is
: Dharmesh Goel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 9:53 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: POW Abuses in IRaq..
No disagreement. However I want to emphasize the flip side to
this and am in no way diminishing the severity of this crime.
Currently there is a large outcry from
: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 10:09 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: POW Abuses in IRaq..
You know what is even more troublesome in my opinion is the
way the media sensationalizes EVERYTHING. War is nothing to
be sensationalized; this world is bad enough right outside
our very windows without seing
is currently in custody waiting a
courts marshal. The contractor was merely fired.
larry
-Original Message-
From: Dharmesh Goel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 9:53 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: POW Abuses in IRaq..
Changing subjects...
Interesting use
. The guard is currently in custody waiting a
courts marshal. The contractor was merely fired.
larry
-Original Message-
From: Dharmesh Goel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 9:53 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: POW Abuses in IRaq..
Changing subjects
Actually, I think the opposite is true. For the most part, nobody could even
have concieved of these kinds of acts being performed by the good guys.
The fact that the Bush administration has come out to say that it is
isolated to just a handful of low-level people means that there needs to be
MORE
didn't the story break on Sixty Minutes? That's a pretty damn credible source. I had trouble finding pictures yesterday; maybe they were being run past lawyers. There is one on the front page of the Albuquerque Journal today.
I fail to see how lining guys up againt a wall with bags on their
It is sick! and wrong! They need to have their assess kicked!!!
Shawn Regan
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From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 1:18 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: POW Abuses in IRaq..
Oh my god. I just saw uncensored shots of the photographs.
Can you share the source?
I haven't seen them yet. And since it is being done in my name, I should know what happened.
Jerry Johnson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/04/04 04:18PM
Oh my god. I just saw uncensored shots of the photographs.
Has anyone seen this?
I can't believe it. I'm in shock.
Yes I've seen some of them. I had read accusations about it before the
pictures were leaked. Just that Iraqis were upset with the occupation and
unspecified abuses by the US and wondering if life was actually better than
under Saddam. But seeing the pictures is truly horrible because it fully
here's one anyway
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O27621638
Dana
Can you share the source?
I haven't seen them yet. And since it is being done in my name, I
should know what happened.
Jerry Johnson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/04/04 04:18PM
Oh my god. I just saw uncensored shots of the
hehe
-Original Message-
From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 3:36 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: POW Abuses in IRaq..
Yes I've seen some of them. I had read accusations about it before the
pictures were leaked. Just that Iraqis were upset
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From: dana tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 5:44 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: POW Abuses in IRaq..
here's one anyway
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O27621638
Dana
Can you share the source?
I haven't seen them yet. And since it is being done in my name, I
-Community
Subject: RE: POW Abuses in IRaq..
Here are some more:
http://rwor.org/a/1239/fallujahsidebar.htm
I still can't see anything that would prove physical violence. Hell
regular
cops are allowed to lie and use psychological tricks to get you to talk,
shouldn't the military, especially since
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Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 11:03 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: POW Abuses in IRaq..
What was depicted in these photos is in no way, shape or form acceptable
under the Geneva Convention, or under International Law. Regardless of
whether we are dealing with Americans or the citizens of any
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